How are you able to write that much? The most my comment can fit is about a fifth of what you wrote. Is there some requirement you have to meet to not have a character limit?
Let me tell you you that Alvie was in a warm car. It was better than staying out in the cold anyway. How was that extremely selfish? She did it for Clem. She could've went and killed Kenny before Clem even gets to rest stop but she didn't. She wanted to prove how unstable Kenny is. What would happen if Clem accidently kills the baby? Kenny will kill her. Thats what Janes trying to prove.
Sure she could've said Alvins JR is fine but after Kenny started the fight, she wasn't going to back down. Jane didn't want to fight, she pulled out her knife and put it back again and warned Kenny that she won't back down if he starts the fight. Kenny just proceeds to pin her against a glass wall and choke her. It wasn't a stupid point. Let me repeat what if Clem accidently kills the baby? Kenny would kill her. Thats what Jane was trying to prove and her point was proved.
If you noticed in my comment, I did mention that Jane did do some good things.
However, her leaving Alvie in a frigid car, just so she coul… mored proceed with her own agenda, was extremely selfish, as it put Alvie in danger of freezing to death.
And if she just wanted to prove Kenny as unstable, she could've said Alvie was fine.
But she didn't!
She wanted to fight.
She wanted to kill Kenny.
And all just to prove some stupid point, and have Clementine all to herself.
That's what I call selfish.
And Kenny showed what he really was, at Wellington.
Kenny loved those kids so much, and wanted to ensure their safety so badly, that he was willing to give them up, if tarts what it took.
That showed what kind of person Kenny really was.
sure sugarcoat it all you want ,she was wrong.
A warm car, it was a wreck....
She put her knife back because head on , she didn't stanbd a chance so she wanted to surpriseattack him
Let me tell you you that Alvie was in a warm car. It was better than staying out in the cold anyway. How was that extremely selfish? She did… more it for Clem. She could've went and killed Kenny before Clem even gets to rest stop but she didn't. She wanted to prove how unstable Kenny is. What would happen if Clem accidently kills the baby? Kenny will kill her. Thats what Janes trying to prove.
Sure she could've said Alvins JR is fine but after Kenny started the fight, she wasn't going to back down. Jane didn't want to fight, she pulled out her knife and put it back again and warned Kenny that she won't back down if he starts the fight. Kenny just proceeds to pin her against a glass wall and choke her. It wasn't a stupid point. Let me repeat what if Clem accidently kills the baby? Kenny would kill her. Thats what Jane was trying to prove and her point was proved.
All Kenny wanted was to continue on the path the whole group had agreed on and been on for 2-3 days. Everyone else were the ones coming up with different plans after Luke died. Before that no one said shit and kept walking further north following arvo to god knows where. The second Kenny fixes the truck everyone wants to head back or south or fucking Texas (really mike...Texas??) when really now that theres a working vehicle the trip north wouldn't be so hard as it would be on foot.
Kenny was acting like dictator and that caused the group to fall appart. After Luke died, they had no reason to stay together anymore and listen to Kennys crap. So yes, Kenny is the reason group split in half and Clem got shot.
Half of the things you mentioned don't even matter, who named the baby? seriously -_-
Also Kenny was the one who put the radio in Clems jacket, he sure better as hell take the blame since he was the one who gave it to clem anyway -_-
Who killed Walter? Kenny! Who killed Lee? Kenny! Who killed Luke? Kenny! Who killed Jane? Kenny! Who killed Alvin? Kenny! Who killed Sarah? Kenny! Who killed Carlos? Kenny! Who killed Nick? Kenny! Who killed Larry? Kenny! Who killed Omid? Kenny! Who killed Bonnie? Kenny! Who caused Mike and Bonnie to run away and Arvo to shoot Clem? Kenny! Who had this dumb idea of the "boat"? Kenny! Who risked so many lives trying to get to Wellington when in the end they only accepted Clem and the baby? Kenny! Who is a dumb hypocrite who blames Clem for Saritas death? Kenny!
If you want me to explain how Kenny caused any of their deaths, I'd be happy to do so.
When did Jane talk of killing Alvie?
I don't remember her doing so.
And I agree with you.
Kenny did more for Clem and the group, than J… moreane did.
Who got beat nearly to death, for trying to protect Clementine?
Kenny!
Who trusted her with the important task of getting them a radio?
Kenny!
Who constantly fretted over Clementine's wellbeing?
Kenny!
Who took care of Alvie most of the time, after Rebecca died?
Kenny!
Who decided on what the baby's name should be?
Kenny!
Who fixed up the truck, while everyone else sat on their asses?
Kenny!
Who refused to give up hope of something better than hiding and trying to survive from day-to-day?
Kenny!
They didnt know what was in north and most people dont risk their lifes based on storys. They wanted to leave north, because they would just freeze to death there.
All Kenny wanted was to continue on the path the whole group had agreed on and been on for 2-3 days. Everyone else were the ones coming up w… moreith different plans after Luke died. Before that no one said shit and kept walking further north following arvo to god knows where. The second Kenny fixes the truck everyone wants to head back or south or fucking Texas (really mike...Texas??) when really now that theres a working vehicle the trip north wouldn't be so hard as it would be on foot.
When people are grieving, they tend to lash out.
Remember how Lilly was, after her dad died?
Kenny just needed some time alone.
And he later on apologizes for lashing out at Clementine.
And I know this to be true, as after a couple of people died on me within a year of each other, who I was very close to, I to was hurt, very angry, and bitter.
In my state of grief, the slightest thing would set me off into a fowl-mouthed rage.
And I remained that way for years afterward.
Took me a long time to heal emotionally.
So I know very well, where Kenny is at, and where he's coming from.
All my point is, blaming Kenny for expressing grief, is hardly fair.
Wtf she does not want a sis 2.0. She got attached to Clementine and treats her like her sister but she never wanted a sis 2.0 in the beginni… moreng. Kenny is the one who wants a duck 2.0. Since when did she say she had no problem with killing AJ? She just said its gonna be hard on everyone to raise a baby in a zombie apocalypse. She'll never walk out on Clem, she CAME BACK for the group and Clementine. What the hell? Since when was "Kenny kicking the car" the reason that Jane told Clem that Kennys dangerous? Jane knows what Kenny is and what he will do once he loses the baby. Kenny is a psycho maniac murderer who can't control his emotions and SCREAMED at Clementine when Sarita died. He didn't ask Clem to leave when he was killing Carver, he just told her that it would get messy. He wasted the groups time by beating on Carvers corpse which could've been used to escape the herd safely. Sure he took the walkie talkie from Clem but HE WAS THE ONE who… [view original content]
What the actual fuck? It was a warm car, atleast warmer than out there. The baby would've died in the snowstorm. She put her knife back because she didn't stand a chance? Could you stop making things up? She would've and could've killed Kenny however they didn't make her kill Kenny for the sake of the story to make the choice harder. If Jane was above Kenny then people would mostly shoot her. Please don't be dumb and realize you have lost this argument.
sure sugarcoat it all you want ,she was wrong.
A warm car, it was a wreck....
She put her knife back because head on , she didn't stanbd a chance so she wanted to surpriseattack him
But this is even more of a reason I chose Jane, Kenny is just broken and he is suffering too much already. I ended him from his misery. Trust me I love both Kenny and Jane but I think it's better to save Jane.
When people are grieving, they tend to lash out.
Remember how Lilly was, after her dad died?
Kenny just needed some time alone.
And he la… moreter on apologizes for lashing out at Clementine.
And I know this to be true, as after a couple of people died on me within a year of each other, who I was very close to, I to was hurt, very angry, and bitter.
In my state of grief, the slightest thing would set me off into a fowl-mouthed rage.
And I remained that way for years afterward.
Took me a long time to heal emotionally.
So I know very well, where Kenny is at, and where he's coming from.
All my point is, blaming Kenny for expressing grief, is hardly fair.
What the actual fuck? It was a warm car, atleast warmer than out there. The baby would've died in the snowstorm. She put her knife back beca… moreuse she didn't stand a chance? Could you stop making things up? She would've and could've killed Kenny however they didn't make her kill Kenny for the sake of the story to make the choice harder. If Jane was above Kenny then people would mostly shoot her. Please don't be dumb and realize you have lost this argument.
* Thats thats really matter of opinion. Didnt think it looked anything else than he calming down
* Well, in season 1 he wasnt as broken as … morein season 2. If the group didnt stop him, he would have probably killed Arvo with his fists.
* Jane didnt want to back off because she wanted Clem to come with her. Kenny didnt back off because he wanted to kill Jane.
I think what he means is that every human life is precious.
Regardless of the persons condition, whether they're healthy or sick, wounded, crippled, etc.
it's not all about "survival of the fittest."
Human beings are supposed to be better than that.
(Even though this is just a videogame, the principle still applies.)
And if wanna talk about burdens, that baby was really a burden.
And yet, the group still took care of it.
Sarah was just a kid, who saw her dad killed right in front of her.
Last time I checked, that's not a good thing.
So yeah she's gonna be messed up.
And Kenny showed himself not willing to leave people behind.
He held off walkers long enough for Lee to get Ben's teacher out of the bear trap.
And then he helped get Ben's teacher/classmate back to the motel, and expressed disdain over Larry sayin that Lee, Mark and him should've left those guys to die.
And was upset when Ben's teacher/classmate died.
And even though Ben killed his family, when Ben fell in the alley and was impaled by the mettle balcony, Kenny tried to help him, and then when he was unable to do so, euthanized Ben, so Ben didn't have to be eaten alive by walkers.
Excuse me? If you think Sarah was a precious survivor then you are terribley mistaken. She was sheltered from the apocalypse and couldn't ha… moreve survived. She was actually a burden and a heavy one. I'm not hating on Sarah but I'm just saying that she was a heavy burden and didn't help the group in any way
Jane never said she killed the baby. In fact she barely said anything about it. She wanted Kenny to draw his own conclusions because she knew what he would think
Kenny: I'll fucking kill you!
Jane: I knew you would!
If Jane had told some story about slipping in the snow running from walkers and even apologized I wouldn't have thought she was being too out of line but also in that case I can't see Kenny killing Jane for an accident. She wanted to be right but LYING to prove that someone might do something is risky, stupid, and flat out wrong. She hadn't known or spent enough time with any of the group, at least not enough to judge who they really were, and definitely not enough to decide who is beyond help. I refer to kenny's attitude towards her twice in the final 15-20 mins.
After they almost crash the truck-
Kenny: Jane are you ok? How's the kid? Are you ok Clem.
After Jane arrives at the rest stop.
Kenny: Thank christ! Jane are you ok? Where's the kid?
Two days ago she abandoned the group and even in the truck she says to drop her off because she can't take it anymore. Also in the truck Jane wants you to be mad at Kenny with her. I said just stop saying things to make him mad because she's making things worse (but have agreed with her most of the eps and I cared for her alot) and she replies that I'm just like Kenny.
Jane is younger and I believe she did what she thought was right but it wasn't. Kenny wouldn't abandon the group but since moment one that's all Jane has wanted and in ep 5 she wants Clem to leave the group (and the baby) a few times. Hell her story about 4 people dying to save the guy stuck under the car was a comparisson on how they all keep dying trying to keep the baby safe and how 1 life isnt worth 4 no matter the life.
Well, I consider loyalty to be very important. I might have backed up Kenny purely on principle. Especially given the fact that Jane was act… moreing like she had just killed the baby. To me, it seemed like she was trying to act like it was intentional too, not an accident. She was very weird about the whole baby thing. She was trying to provoke Clementine's close friend who is grieving and broken into getting into a fight with her. She didn't make a very good case in my opinion. She was taking advantage of Kenny's fragile state to force Clementine's hand. That's how I perceived it. Her way of proving her point was corrupt and I can't support her because of that. I would have sided with Kenny because Jane was the aggressor in what went down. She told a man who she knew had lost his wife, son, and girlfriend that she killed his new adopted son. The only thing that matters to Kenny in the world, besides Clem. That's just plain cruel, in my book. She … [view original content]
That you defend YOUR choises that someone else maybe didn't make at all costs.
My choises were different so i defend my choises because you attack them
That you defend YOUR choises that someone else maybe didn't make at all costs.
My choises were different so i defend my choises because you attack them
... You don't make sense in your posts, I never attacked your choices. I just stated the fact that Kenny got Lee killed. Sure Lee can choose to take the supplies too but Kenny takes them out of selfishness and Kenny doesn't care about the other people who own the car. Atleast if you let Lee take the supplies he hesitates a little but Kenny just takes them without giving a fuck about the family who owned the car.
That you defend YOUR choises that someone else maybe didn't make at all costs.
My choises were different so i defend my choises because you attack them
His actions aren't justifiable and neither are hers. God stop trying to make one a hero and one a villain! The only hero is Clem (no matter her decision) as she cared for ALL of the group and didn't want anyone to go away or die. Clem is the only person to end the season as trustworthy since she only ever did what she was able. I wish Clem had waked away from Both of them when they were fighting and leave them both behind to whatever fate. They were her guardians but both were too busy arguing over who was right instead of working together to survive!
Jane isnt a hero. She just wanted Clem on her side and tried to achieve this with her plan to show how crazy Kenny can be. She knew they would seperate and she didnt want Clem to be near Kenny when something bad happened next time and Kenny would possibly kill Clementine.
If Clem lets Kenny murder Jane, she is just as bad as Kenny. Clementine wanted that Ben stays with them and Kenny wanted him dead or leave him behind. Now he is doing it second time but this time actually trying to kill Clems friend.
What kind of friends wants to murder 2 of your own friends?
His actions aren't justifiable and neither are hers. God stop trying to make one a hero and one a villain! The only hero is Clem (no matter … moreher decision) as she cared for ALL of the group and didn't want anyone to go away or die. Clem is the only person to end the season as trustworthy since she only ever did what she was able. I wish Clem had waked away from Both of them when they were fighting and leave them both behind to whatever fate. They were her guardians but both were too busy arguing over who was right instead of working together to survive!
So kenny fans are irrational...then what are you? All I have seen from you is negative. Everyone has their favorites and the stories play out differently depending on all your choices throughout the eps. If someone doesn't agree it simply means they took something different from the story than you did. Stop slamming people and either have a discussion or post your opinion and stop arguing. I am a Kenny fan and cried during the fight but shot Kenny. Only the comics are black and white so open your mind a little (No one says that by opening your mind it means you have to change your thought but just consider others thoughts as well as your own.)
So kenny fans are irrational...then what are you? All I have seen from you is negative. Everyone has their favorites and the stories play ou… moret differently depending on all your choices throughout the eps. If someone doesn't agree it simply means they took something different from the story than you did. Stop slamming people and either have a discussion or post your opinion and stop arguing. I am a Kenny fan and cried during the fight but shot Kenny. Only the comics are black and white so open your mind a little (No one says that by opening your mind it means you have to change your thought but just consider others thoughts as well as your own.)
Please explain.
How did Kenny cause Lee's death?
Case from what I remember, Lee got BIT by a walker, and when Kenny found out, he was willing to amputate Lee's arm to try and SAVE his life, or at the very least buy him more time.
Whether or not Kenny did so, is totally up to the player.
And as far as Walt and Alvin, Carver killed them.
NOT Kenny.
Sarita even says it was unfair of the group to blame Kenny for Carver's actions.
And even Kenny will admit, while Clementine is cleaning his eye, that he regretted what happened to Alvin, and that he felt responsible.
And remember, whether Kenny shoots Carver or not, is up to the player.
And how did Kenny kill Carlos and Nick?
Carlos was shot by one of Carver's thugs.
And apparently so was Nick.
And Luke falling through the ice, how's that Kenny's fault?
The ice breaking was an inherent risk, when crossing the lake.
And it's why you don't ever do that to begin with.
But doing else wise, wasn't an option.
And if pay attention, Kenny apologizes to Clementine later on for blaming Sarita's death on her.
When people are hurting, they tend to lash out at others.
And as far as the boat, and Wellington.
Kenny still had hope of something better, which is so valuable.
And he encouraged others to have hope as well, by never disbelieving in what he said.
Hope is a wonderful thing!
Hope helps people get through bad times.
And as far as Kenny, Clementine, and Alvie being the only ones who reach Wellington.
Sarita got bit.
Luke drowned.
Rebecca died of hypothermia.
And Bonnie and Mike betrayed the group, all for some Russian kid who was willing to rob them of everything, and kill them if necessary.
Which he proved when he shot Clementine, an 11 year old girl, who was lowering her gun.
And who's gun wasn't even pointing at him, but rather Mike!
Half of the things you mentioned don't even matter, who named the baby? seriously -_-
Also Kenny was the one who put the radio in Clems j… moreacket, he sure better as hell take the blame since he was the one who gave it to clem anyway -_-
Who killed Walter? Kenny! Who killed Lee? Kenny! Who killed Luke? Kenny! Who killed Jane? Kenny! Who killed Alvin? Kenny! Who killed Sarah? Kenny! Who killed Carlos? Kenny! Who killed Nick? Kenny! Who killed Larry? Kenny! Who killed Omid? Kenny! Who killed Bonnie? Kenny! Who caused Mike and Bonnie to run away and Arvo to shoot Clem? Kenny! Who had this dumb idea of the "boat"? Kenny! Who risked so many lives trying to get to Wellington when in the end they only accepted Clem and the baby? Kenny! Who is a dumb hypocrite who blames Clem for Saritas death? Kenny!
If you want me to explain how Kenny caused any of their deaths, I'd be happy to do so.
Half of the things you mentioned don't even matter, who named the baby? seriously -_-
Also Kenny was the one who put the radio in Clems j… moreacket, he sure better as hell take the blame since he was the one who gave it to clem anyway -_-
Who killed Walter? Kenny! Who killed Lee? Kenny! Who killed Luke? Kenny! Who killed Jane? Kenny! Who killed Alvin? Kenny! Who killed Sarah? Kenny! Who killed Carlos? Kenny! Who killed Nick? Kenny! Who killed Larry? Kenny! Who killed Omid? Kenny! Who killed Bonnie? Kenny! Who caused Mike and Bonnie to run away and Arvo to shoot Clem? Kenny! Who had this dumb idea of the "boat"? Kenny! Who risked so many lives trying to get to Wellington when in the end they only accepted Clem and the baby? Kenny! Who is a dumb hypocrite who blames Clem for Saritas death? Kenny!
If you want me to explain how Kenny caused any of their deaths, I'd be happy to do so.
okay got it you are a stubborn person who may also be a troll. You didn't read my post but decided to reply anyway. Thanks for making this a great discussion. byenow
They didnt know what was in north and most people dont risk their lifes based on storys. They wanted to leave north, because they would just freeze to death there.
They stole all the supplies from the car and left the Stranger and his family to die. After Strangers family had died, he started talking with Clem and eventually kidnapped her. When lee when to see what happened to Clem, a walker bit him and if you look at the big picture, Kenny is the reason everything happened. He caused the death of Strangers family, which turned him into a maniac, very much like what Kenny was becoming.
He Caused Carver to shoot Walter (Kenny shot one of his men, even if Clem tells him not not shoot). And if Clem doesnt talk Kenny to turn himself in, Carver will shoot Alvin also.
Please explain.
How did Kenny cause Lee's death?
Case from what I remember, Lee got BIT by a walker, and when Kenny found out, he was will… moreing to amputate Lee's arm to try and SAVE his life, or at the very least buy him more time.
Whether or not Kenny did so, is totally up to the player.
And as far as Walt and Alvin, Carver killed them.
NOT Kenny.
Sarita even says it was unfair of the group to blame Kenny for Carver's actions.
And even Kenny will admit, while Clementine is cleaning his eye, that he regretted what happened to Alvin, and that he felt responsible.
And remember, whether Kenny shoots Carver or not, is up to the player.
And how did Kenny kill Carlos and Nick?
Carlos was shot by one of Carver's thugs.
And apparently so was Nick.
And Luke falling through the ice, how's that Kenny's fault?
The ice breaking was an inherent risk, when crossing the lake.
And it's why you don't ever do that to begin with.
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I really fear that Tell Tale will murder Jane's character and all the progress she has made in season 2, just in order to forcibly move Clementine to Wellington. It would make me so sad.
I don't want Jane to die, but I would rather it be by weird guy because she was doing something awesome, that it simply being "Lolzors - of course Jane left. Did you think her character progression in season 2 was 4 realzies?"
okay got it you are a stubborn person who may also be a troll. You didn't read my post but decided to reply anyway. Thanks for making this a great discussion. byenow
Kenny stole the supplies, thus making the stranger kidnap the clementine. Lee got bit while he tried to get clems radio. If Clem hadn't been kidnapped in the first place, she wouldn't have dropped the radio thus Lee wouldnt have been bit.
Kenny caused the deaths of Walt and Alvin, and he admits it too. Whether Kenny shoots Carver or not is up to the player? Yes, Kenny asks Clem what she thinks is right however he should know better than to ask a 10 year old to shoot someone or not. Plus if you decide not to go find Kenny, Kenny will shoot Carver and will get both Walt and Alvin killed.
Kenny decided to beat on Carvers corpse thus wasting the groups precious time. If Kenny just shot Carver in the head and left Howes immediatly, maybe then the "thugs" wouldnt have shot neither nick or carlos.
Arvo decided they should come walk on the ice lake so he could escape. And he tried to escape whyyyyy? Because Kenny wouldn't stop torturing him when hes defensless.
Okay sure Kenny apologizes to Sarita, but he had no business screaming at a child. This just proves he is unstable.
Yeah but his hopes are high up in the sky. Let me just say that hope doesn't fix every problem in the world however he thinks it does.
Mike and Bonnie wouldn't have left If Kenny stopped scaring people away with his bitchy blabbering mouth. Thus Arvo wouldn't have a gun which would mean Clem wouldnt have gotten shot.
Please explain.
How did Kenny cause Lee's death?
Case from what I remember, Lee got BIT by a walker, and when Kenny found out, he was will… moreing to amputate Lee's arm to try and SAVE his life, or at the very least buy him more time.
Whether or not Kenny did so, is totally up to the player.
And as far as Walt and Alvin, Carver killed them.
NOT Kenny.
Sarita even says it was unfair of the group to blame Kenny for Carver's actions.
And even Kenny will admit, while Clementine is cleaning his eye, that he regretted what happened to Alvin, and that he felt responsible.
And remember, whether Kenny shoots Carver or not, is up to the player.
And how did Kenny kill Carlos and Nick?
Carlos was shot by one of Carver's thugs.
And apparently so was Nick.
And Luke falling through the ice, how's that Kenny's fault?
The ice breaking was an inherent risk, when crossing the lake.
And it's why you don't ever do that to begin with.
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This is the part you didn't read so I will bold some things to make my point clear.
Everyone has their favorites and the stories play out differently depending on all your choices throughout the eps. If someone doesn't agree it simply means they took something different from the story than you did.Stop slamming people (Saying they are irrational and such when not every kenny fan or jane fan is like that)and either have a discussion or post your opinion and stop arguing. I am a Kenny fan and cried during the fight but shot Kenny. Only the comics are black and white so open your mind a little (No one says that by opening your mind it means you have to change your thought but just consider others thoughts as well as your own.)
"So kenny fans are irrational...then what are you?"
I answered that question.
Trolling is childish and stupid, but many people think i troll, because my worldview is just so much different from average persons.
Says you, you can't continue a proper discussion without either rewriting the points that I have already addressed or talk in a way which isn't understandable. If you saw my post above, I post reasons why Kenny caused X death or why Kenny caused Y death. Don't be so ignorant and actually read my post above and understand it then come back and then come back and argue with me.
I dont have problem with people picking kenny. I have problem when people try to justify Kenny killing Jane.
Every Kenny fan is irrational, simply for the fact that Kenny is unstable, and Jane has proved to be more efficient survivor. Jane is only rational decision, Kenny is chosen based on feelings. Thats my point.
This is the part you didn't read so I will bold some things to make my point clear.
Everyone has their favorites and the stories play out… more differently depending on all your choices throughout the eps. If someone doesn't agree it simply means they took something different from the story than you did. Stop slamming people (Saying they are irrational and such when not every kenny fan or jane fan is like that)and either have a discussion or post your opinion and stop arguing. I am a Kenny fan and cried during the fight but shot Kenny. Only the comics are black and white so open your mind a little (No one says that by opening your mind it means you have to change your thought but just consider others thoughts as well as your own.)
So the plan was to walk north another day and then turn around? I don't think Kenny would have agreed to that plan. That's why Kenny freaked out because they had a plan and then Luke died and everyone decided they wanted to do something else. They panicked and that's understandable but the plan wasn't just get to wellington. It was to go north because it's cold and walkers are slower which turned out to be true. Everyone wanted a new plan because they were scared and I would be too. I agree they needed a new plan but acting like Kenny was trying to break up the group just isn't true. They let the group fall apart but Kenny even agrees that they need to stay together and asks Clem to help him convince everybody to get on board. Plus after Clem is shot Jane and Kenny drive a few hours north and are now low on gas but Jane's plan is to just go back the way they have been driving for the whole time Clem was knocked out??? Counter productive at that point to say the least.
Kenny was an asshole but he wasn't evil or Carver...he was just trying to survive while everyone died, betrayed or flat out turned on him. Like seriously if Mike said that he wanted to stick with Arvo and go his own way Kenny would have been mad but he would have let him go. Everyone acted like they needed to escape Kenny when walking away leaving the group wouldn't have been an issue. But they wanna take the supplies and the truck and screw Jane Clem and Aj so they can be free. I don't agree with or condone what Kenny did with Jane.
And I think the "Let's head for Wellington" agreement got ditched, when they decided to go with Arvo for the supplies.
That was my assumption at least. That we'd take stock of our situation once that was done.
I felt like this was a very difficult decision, actually. For the record, I did NOT shoot Kenny. But I considered it, only because for a moment, I wondered if it's what he really wanted. If Jane hadn't pissed me off so much in the car...I dunno.
With that said, wow--the last scene had me seriously choked up. I was soooo glad I made the decision that I did.
I was surprised, to be honest, that 70% of people shot Kenny.
She didnt back off because she said so right in the begining. She told Kenny that baby was dead, and Kenny Draw his own conclusions and after that, there was no way to talk sense to him. (we all know once Kenny decides something, its pretty much impossible to change his mind)
Why would Jane want to kill Kenny? Even she says that she wanted to leave Kenny behind, she had no reason to kill him.
Kenny didn't take the supplies with malicious intent.
He did to feed his family.
He didn't intentionally mean to hurt another family.
He was just looking out for his own.
Can't blame a man for doing that!
And as the head of his family, that's his job.
A husband is supposed to take care of his family.
As the head of his household, that is his primary responsibility.
To provide for them physically, mentally, emotionally, and materially.
You'll learn that if you're ever married and have a family.
And as far as the car, there was no way to prove whether it was abandoned or not.
... You don't make sense in your posts, I never attacked your choices. I just stated the fact that Kenny got Lee killed. Sure Lee can choose… more to take the supplies too but Kenny takes them out of selfishness and Kenny doesn't care about the other people who own the car. Atleast if you let Lee take the supplies he hesitates a little but Kenny just takes them without giving a fuck about the family who owned the car.
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If you are talking to me, nope there isn't any requirement. I don't think there's character limit too.
Well thats the difference between Kenny fans and those who picked Jane. Lack of rationality.
Let me tell you you that Alvie was in a warm car. It was better than staying out in the cold anyway. How was that extremely selfish? She did it for Clem. She could've went and killed Kenny before Clem even gets to rest stop but she didn't. She wanted to prove how unstable Kenny is. What would happen if Clem accidently kills the baby? Kenny will kill her. Thats what Janes trying to prove.
Sure she could've said Alvins JR is fine but after Kenny started the fight, she wasn't going to back down. Jane didn't want to fight, she pulled out her knife and put it back again and warned Kenny that she won't back down if he starts the fight. Kenny just proceeds to pin her against a glass wall and choke her. It wasn't a stupid point. Let me repeat what if Clem accidently kills the baby? Kenny would kill her. Thats what Jane was trying to prove and her point was proved.
sure sugarcoat it all you want ,she was wrong.
A warm car, it was a wreck....
She put her knife back because head on , she didn't stanbd a chance so she wanted to surpriseattack him
All Kenny wanted was to continue on the path the whole group had agreed on and been on for 2-3 days. Everyone else were the ones coming up with different plans after Luke died. Before that no one said shit and kept walking further north following arvo to god knows where. The second Kenny fixes the truck everyone wants to head back or south or fucking Texas (really mike...Texas??) when really now that theres a working vehicle the trip north wouldn't be so hard as it would be on foot.
Half of the things you mentioned don't even matter, who named the baby? seriously -_-
Also Kenny was the one who put the radio in Clems jacket, he sure better as hell take the blame since he was the one who gave it to clem anyway -_-
Who killed Walter? Kenny! Who killed Lee? Kenny! Who killed Luke? Kenny! Who killed Jane? Kenny! Who killed Alvin? Kenny! Who killed Sarah? Kenny! Who killed Carlos? Kenny! Who killed Nick? Kenny! Who killed Larry? Kenny! Who killed Omid? Kenny! Who killed Bonnie? Kenny! Who caused Mike and Bonnie to run away and Arvo to shoot Clem? Kenny! Who had this dumb idea of the "boat"? Kenny! Who risked so many lives trying to get to Wellington when in the end they only accepted Clem and the baby? Kenny! Who is a dumb hypocrite who blames Clem for Saritas death? Kenny!
If you want me to explain how Kenny caused any of their deaths, I'd be happy to do so.
They didnt know what was in north and most people dont risk their lifes based on storys. They wanted to leave north, because they would just freeze to death there.
When people are grieving, they tend to lash out.
Remember how Lilly was, after her dad died?
Kenny just needed some time alone.
And he later on apologizes for lashing out at Clementine.
And I know this to be true, as after a couple of people died on me within a year of each other, who I was very close to, I to was hurt, very angry, and bitter.
In my state of grief, the slightest thing would set me off into a fowl-mouthed rage.
And I remained that way for years afterward.
Took me a long time to heal emotionally.
So I know very well, where Kenny is at, and where he's coming from.
All my point is, blaming Kenny for expressing grief, is hardly fair.
What the actual fuck? It was a warm car, atleast warmer than out there. The baby would've died in the snowstorm. She put her knife back because she didn't stand a chance? Could you stop making things up? She would've and could've killed Kenny however they didn't make her kill Kenny for the sake of the story to make the choice harder. If Jane was above Kenny then people would mostly shoot her. Please don't be dumb and realize you have lost this argument.
But this is even more of a reason I chose Jane, Kenny is just broken and he is suffering too much already. I ended him from his misery. Trust me I love both Kenny and Jane but I think it's better to save Jane.
Not in my game , so in your game with YOUR choises maybe but not in my game... so we both won this discussion... just not in each others game
The three points are a matter of opinion.
I think what he means is that every human life is precious.
Regardless of the persons condition, whether they're healthy or sick, wounded, crippled, etc.
it's not all about "survival of the fittest."
Human beings are supposed to be better than that.
(Even though this is just a videogame, the principle still applies.)
And if wanna talk about burdens, that baby was really a burden.
And yet, the group still took care of it.
Sarah was just a kid, who saw her dad killed right in front of her.
Last time I checked, that's not a good thing.
So yeah she's gonna be messed up.
And Kenny showed himself not willing to leave people behind.
He held off walkers long enough for Lee to get Ben's teacher out of the bear trap.
And then he helped get Ben's teacher/classmate back to the motel, and expressed disdain over Larry sayin that Lee, Mark and him should've left those guys to die.
And was upset when Ben's teacher/classmate died.
And even though Ben killed his family, when Ben fell in the alley and was impaled by the mettle balcony, Kenny tried to help him, and then when he was unable to do so, euthanized Ben, so Ben didn't have to be eaten alive by walkers.
What do you mean exactly?
Jane never said she killed the baby. In fact she barely said anything about it. She wanted Kenny to draw his own conclusions because she knew what he would think
Kenny: I'll fucking kill you!
Jane: I knew you would!
If Jane had told some story about slipping in the snow running from walkers and even apologized I wouldn't have thought she was being too out of line but also in that case I can't see Kenny killing Jane for an accident. She wanted to be right but LYING to prove that someone might do something is risky, stupid, and flat out wrong. She hadn't known or spent enough time with any of the group, at least not enough to judge who they really were, and definitely not enough to decide who is beyond help. I refer to kenny's attitude towards her twice in the final 15-20 mins.
After they almost crash the truck-
Kenny: Jane are you ok? How's the kid? Are you ok Clem.
After Jane arrives at the rest stop.
Kenny: Thank christ! Jane are you ok? Where's the kid?
Two days ago she abandoned the group and even in the truck she says to drop her off because she can't take it anymore. Also in the truck Jane wants you to be mad at Kenny with her. I said just stop saying things to make him mad because she's making things worse (but have agreed with her most of the eps and I cared for her alot) and she replies that I'm just like Kenny.
Jane is younger and I believe she did what she thought was right but it wasn't. Kenny wouldn't abandon the group but since moment one that's all Jane has wanted and in ep 5 she wants Clem to leave the group (and the baby) a few times. Hell her story about 4 people dying to save the guy stuck under the car was a comparisson on how they all keep dying trying to keep the baby safe and how 1 life isnt worth 4 no matter the life.
#UnreliableAdults for the win
That you defend YOUR choises that someone else maybe didn't make at all costs.
My choises were different so i defend my choises because you attack them
Kenny fans cant give rational arguments, only emotional bullshit.
... You don't make sense in your posts, I never attacked your choices. I just stated the fact that Kenny got Lee killed. Sure Lee can choose to take the supplies too but Kenny takes them out of selfishness and Kenny doesn't care about the other people who own the car. Atleast if you let Lee take the supplies he hesitates a little but Kenny just takes them without giving a fuck about the family who owned the car.
His actions aren't justifiable and neither are hers. God stop trying to make one a hero and one a villain! The only hero is Clem (no matter her decision) as she cared for ALL of the group and didn't want anyone to go away or die. Clem is the only person to end the season as trustworthy since she only ever did what she was able. I wish Clem had waked away from Both of them when they were fighting and leave them both behind to whatever fate. They were her guardians but both were too busy arguing over who was right instead of working together to survive!
Jane isnt a hero. She just wanted Clem on her side and tried to achieve this with her plan to show how crazy Kenny can be. She knew they would seperate and she didnt want Clem to be near Kenny when something bad happened next time and Kenny would possibly kill Clementine.
If Clem lets Kenny murder Jane, she is just as bad as Kenny. Clementine wanted that Ben stays with them and Kenny wanted him dead or leave him behind. Now he is doing it second time but this time actually trying to kill Clems friend.
What kind of friends wants to murder 2 of your own friends?
So kenny fans are irrational...then what are you? All I have seen from you is negative. Everyone has their favorites and the stories play out differently depending on all your choices throughout the eps. If someone doesn't agree it simply means they took something different from the story than you did. Stop slamming people and either have a discussion or post your opinion and stop arguing. I am a Kenny fan and cried during the fight but shot Kenny. Only the comics are black and white so open your mind a little (No one says that by opening your mind it means you have to change your thought but just consider others thoughts as well as your own.)
What am i? Logic, reasoning and rationality. Jane simply was better pick for your own survival.
Please explain.
How did Kenny cause Lee's death?
Case from what I remember, Lee got BIT by a walker, and when Kenny found out, he was willing to amputate Lee's arm to try and SAVE his life, or at the very least buy him more time.
Whether or not Kenny did so, is totally up to the player.
And as far as Walt and Alvin, Carver killed them.
NOT Kenny.
Sarita even says it was unfair of the group to blame Kenny for Carver's actions.
And even Kenny will admit, while Clementine is cleaning his eye, that he regretted what happened to Alvin, and that he felt responsible.
And remember, whether Kenny shoots Carver or not, is up to the player.
And how did Kenny kill Carlos and Nick?
Carlos was shot by one of Carver's thugs.
And apparently so was Nick.
And Luke falling through the ice, how's that Kenny's fault?
The ice breaking was an inherent risk, when crossing the lake.
And it's why you don't ever do that to begin with.
But doing else wise, wasn't an option.
And if pay attention, Kenny apologizes to Clementine later on for blaming Sarita's death on her.
When people are hurting, they tend to lash out at others.
And as far as the boat, and Wellington.
Kenny still had hope of something better, which is so valuable.
And he encouraged others to have hope as well, by never disbelieving in what he said.
Hope is a wonderful thing!
Hope helps people get through bad times.
And as far as Kenny, Clementine, and Alvie being the only ones who reach Wellington.
Sarita got bit.
Luke drowned.
Rebecca died of hypothermia.
And Bonnie and Mike betrayed the group, all for some Russian kid who was willing to rob them of everything, and kill them if necessary.
Which he proved when he shot Clementine, an 11 year old girl, who was lowering her gun.
And who's gun wasn't even pointing at him, but rather Mike!
@Erencoral
By reading this post i know enough, you're a troll
okay got it you are a stubborn person who may also be a troll. You didn't read my post but decided to reply anyway. Thanks for making this a great discussion. byenow
And I think the "Let's head for Wellington" agreement got ditched, when they decided to go with Arvo for the supplies.
That was my assumption at least. That we'd take stock of our situation once that was done.
They stole all the supplies from the car and left the Stranger and his family to die. After Strangers family had died, he started talking with Clem and eventually kidnapped her. When lee when to see what happened to Clem, a walker bit him and if you look at the big picture, Kenny is the reason everything happened. He caused the death of Strangers family, which turned him into a maniac, very much like what Kenny was becoming.
He Caused Carver to shoot Walter (Kenny shot one of his men, even if Clem tells him not not shoot). And if Clem doesnt talk Kenny to turn himself in, Carver will shoot Alvin also.
I really fear that Tell Tale will murder Jane's character and all the progress she has made in season 2, just in order to forcibly move Clementine to Wellington. It would make me so sad.
I don't want Jane to die, but I would rather it be by weird guy because she was doing something awesome, that it simply being "Lolzors - of course Jane left. Did you think her character progression in season 2 was 4 realzies?"
"So kenny fans are irrational...then what are you?"
I answered that question.
Trolling is childish and stupid, but many people think i troll, because my worldview is just so much different from average persons.
Kenny stole the supplies, thus making the stranger kidnap the clementine. Lee got bit while he tried to get clems radio. If Clem hadn't been kidnapped in the first place, she wouldn't have dropped the radio thus Lee wouldnt have been bit.
Kenny caused the deaths of Walt and Alvin, and he admits it too. Whether Kenny shoots Carver or not is up to the player? Yes, Kenny asks Clem what she thinks is right however he should know better than to ask a 10 year old to shoot someone or not. Plus if you decide not to go find Kenny, Kenny will shoot Carver and will get both Walt and Alvin killed.
Kenny decided to beat on Carvers corpse thus wasting the groups precious time. If Kenny just shot Carver in the head and left Howes immediatly, maybe then the "thugs" wouldnt have shot neither nick or carlos.
Arvo decided they should come walk on the ice lake so he could escape. And he tried to escape whyyyyy? Because Kenny wouldn't stop torturing him when hes defensless.
Okay sure Kenny apologizes to Sarita, but he had no business screaming at a child. This just proves he is unstable.
Yeah but his hopes are high up in the sky. Let me just say that hope doesn't fix every problem in the world however he thinks it does.
Mike and Bonnie wouldn't have left If Kenny stopped scaring people away with his bitchy blabbering mouth. Thus Arvo wouldn't have a gun which would mean Clem wouldnt have gotten shot.
Unsurprisingly darling, you are wrong ... as always. Read my post above and you will see why.
No, blaming almost every death to kenny was a troll reaction and i will not continu this rubbish discussion
This is the part you didn't read so I will bold some things to make my point clear.
Everyone has their favorites and the stories play out differently depending on all your choices throughout the eps. If someone doesn't agree it simply means they took something different from the story than you did. Stop slamming people (Saying they are irrational and such when not every kenny fan or jane fan is like that)and either have a discussion or post your opinion and stop arguing. I am a Kenny fan and cried during the fight but shot Kenny. Only the comics are black and white so open your mind a little (No one says that by opening your mind it means you have to change your thought but just consider others thoughts as well as your own.)
Says you, you can't continue a proper discussion without either rewriting the points that I have already addressed or talk in a way which isn't understandable. If you saw my post above, I post reasons why Kenny caused X death or why Kenny caused Y death. Don't be so ignorant and actually read my post above and understand it then come back and then come back and argue with me.
I dont have problem with people picking kenny. I have problem when people try to justify Kenny killing Jane.
Every Kenny fan is irrational, simply for the fact that Kenny is unstable, and Jane has proved to be more efficient survivor. Jane is only rational decision, Kenny is chosen based on feelings. Thats my point.
So the plan was to walk north another day and then turn around? I don't think Kenny would have agreed to that plan. That's why Kenny freaked out because they had a plan and then Luke died and everyone decided they wanted to do something else. They panicked and that's understandable but the plan wasn't just get to wellington. It was to go north because it's cold and walkers are slower which turned out to be true. Everyone wanted a new plan because they were scared and I would be too. I agree they needed a new plan but acting like Kenny was trying to break up the group just isn't true. They let the group fall apart but Kenny even agrees that they need to stay together and asks Clem to help him convince everybody to get on board. Plus after Clem is shot Jane and Kenny drive a few hours north and are now low on gas but Jane's plan is to just go back the way they have been driving for the whole time Clem was knocked out??? Counter productive at that point to say the least.
Kenny was an asshole but he wasn't evil or Carver...he was just trying to survive while everyone died, betrayed or flat out turned on him. Like seriously if Mike said that he wanted to stick with Arvo and go his own way Kenny would have been mad but he would have let him go. Everyone acted like they needed to escape Kenny when walking away leaving the group wouldn't have been an issue. But they wanna take the supplies and the truck and screw Jane Clem and Aj so they can be free. I don't agree with or condone what Kenny did with Jane.
I felt like this was a very difficult decision, actually. For the record, I did NOT shoot Kenny. But I considered it, only because for a moment, I wondered if it's what he really wanted. If Jane hadn't pissed me off so much in the car...I dunno.
With that said, wow--the last scene had me seriously choked up. I was soooo glad I made the decision that I did.
I was surprised, to be honest, that 70% of people shot Kenny.
"Let me explain something to you. I am not Mr Lebowski. You're Mr Lebowski. I'm the Dude!"
Why would Jane want to kill Kenny? Even she says that she wanted to leave Kenny behind, she had no reason to kill him.
Kenny didn't take the supplies with malicious intent.
He did to feed his family.
He didn't intentionally mean to hurt another family.
He was just looking out for his own.
Can't blame a man for doing that!
And as the head of his family, that's his job.
A husband is supposed to take care of his family.
As the head of his household, that is his primary responsibility.
To provide for them physically, mentally, emotionally, and materially.
You'll learn that if you're ever married and have a family.
And as far as the car, there was no way to prove whether it was abandoned or not.