He was telling his group to calm down when he discovered the baby, and Buricko refused to listen.
And pay attention to the context when he says "Fuck you." This is right after he finally leads his captors to his own home, with one of them dying by accident, and Kenny immediately starts beating on him and accusing him of lying without even using his brains to find out if Arvo did have supplies.
Kenny deserved more than just a "fuck you" as far as I'm concerned. Brainlessness and hyper-aggression makes you unfit for survival.
I bite my lip and wait until I get a chance for payback personally, it worked for Carver and just about everyone in that accused camp. There… more is a difference between bravado and just plain stupid....Kenny always likes crossing that line, but I admire him for it because he does it for those he cares about. Arvo only does it to retaliate for pain caused to himself and everyone else can burn. He was even stating during the standoff in ep.4 in Russian "I don't want to die"....and then gives up when his group is killed and bargains to live by saying he knows were food is. Arvo could have buried the hatchet during this period...but he doesn't because his mind is already made up as to what Clementine did to his sister.
Arvo is no victim other then of circumstance and his own poor choices really...
"Please read my opinion and don't call it garbage"
It's pretentious pseudo-fanfic garbage and about as useful to an actual discussion as Bokor's repeated "nobody cares what you say Lemoncakes!" replies. Arvo is actively trying to kill Clem and you write up a bloated defense post filled with false equivocations. It will be a happy day when we get the Nate DLC where you hang Arvo with barbed wire and gut him with antlers.
I honestly don’t care what you’re opinion is on him—I gave it my best effort to try and make you see the opposite side to make a proper judg… moreement, that’s all.
Took a while to write that up, anyway, so I’d appreciate people not calling it garbage. People, man. Just… pathetic to the point where they try to make others feel like shit to get themselves to feel better, that's what it comes to?
Buricko is besides the point, Arvo clearly didn't think it would escalate into a gunfight and was afraid to die (he started flipping out just before the shoot out started). It may never have if Clem/Kenny didn't shoot Rebecca after she turned.
It's funny because I was hoping Kenny would have beat him to death in the cabin....when he said "Fuck you", I just was like "get'em Kenny". After the supplies were found I was just like, so what? It doesn't change the fact that he used those supplies as insurance to make sure he would not be killed straight away. He was always going to be a threat, regardless of whither or not Mike and Bonnie ran away with him. Arvo shooting Clem was just a parting gift....if he had half the chance, I really think he would have killed everyone but AJ.
In the end...is it so wrong of him to want that? No, not really but it does show that having blind sympathy can be just as dangerous as just outright killing someone over a misunderstanding.
He was telling his group to calm down when he discovered the baby, and Buricko refused to listen.
And pay attention to the context when h… moree says "Fuck you." This is right after he finally leads his captors to his own home, with one of them dying by accident, and Kenny immediately starts beating on him and accusing him of lying without even using his brains to find out if Arvo did have supplies.
Kenny deserved more than just a "fuck you" as far as I'm concerned. Brainlessness and hyper-aggression makes you unfit for survival.
I just hope that if Clem treated him bad, he would shoot her angrily without hesitation. If she always stands up for him, he can have a hesitaion before shoot her, or get a "Jesus Christ have I gone too far?" face after he has shot her. When someone does the same whatever we've done to him it's easy for us to get rage.
Uh, didnt Arvo intentionally lie to his group that we stole the medicine so that he could keep it for himself? And didnt he then lead them directly to us knowing that they would rob us blind? Why yes, yes he did.
It's quite likely that was the case.
But people tend not to take any responsibility for bad things to happen to them. Never mind that th… moreey're happy to blame Arvo for his group getting killed by Clem's people, or happy to blame Sarah for Carver overreacting and murdering Reggie...
I find it so weird that people keep blaming Kenny by saying "Well if Kenny didnt hit Arvo he wouldnt have shot Clem" but then dont think to say "Well if Arvo didnt lie and lead his group to rob us Kenny wouldnt have hit him".
I mean, I think Kenny was wrong to abuse Arvo, even thought I 100% blame him for Lukes death, but you cant try to blame Arvos decision to shoot Clem on Kenny, without also blaming Kennys decision to beat Arvo on the fact that he led his group to try and kill us (and yes, stealing all our stuff would have been a death sentence).
I guess it's a stretch to say this with the evidence given to us in the actual game, but I believe that had Kenny not terrorised Arvo and tr… moreeat him less as a punching bag and more as someone who made a stupid mistake that gets his team killed, the shooting of Clementine wouldn't have happened.
He could have known if he bothered to ask. Hell, even if he had just yelled "WHY??!" at Clem she would have explained. Its the freaking ZA, you would think people coming back as zombies on a routine basis would make someone stop and think, hmm, maybe that little girl (who didnt steal from me and tried to stop my abuse at the hands of that crazy old man) DIDNT shoot my sister in the face in cold blood. Maybe, just maybe, my sister, whose heart had stopped and was bleeding from a bullet wound died and came back as a zombie?
And Arvo didn't know that Clem shot Natasha because she had already turned. I get that people don't care about Natasha and that they did car… moree about Omid, but I would think that they could at least somewhat empathized with Arvo's resentment for what happened with his sister.
Don't worry, Lemoncakes is one of those rabid 'fanboys' who make the whole idea of being a fan seem embarrassing. Or a troll. Either way, you can ignore him.
Yeah sure, be nice to the guy who thinks you shot his sis. I'm sure that makes it all better for him. You didn't give him every chance, the writers didn't let us. The skimming is childish, can read that asap
Too long only skimmed.
Fuck Arvo. I didn't shoot his sister until she was dead and trying to eat me.
I gave him every chance I could fo… morer him to understand that MY Clem is a good person.
He shot her when she was unarmed and posed no threat to him. Fuck him. I hope he dies in a fire.
Simply because they didn't use that exact phrasing doesn't deny that a lot of them felt perfectly justified in hating Arvo and being okay with him being mistreated BECAUSE he ends up shooting Clementine.
The bolded part is another thing I have never seen. Also, I mean that the reasons of Kenny fans for justifying Arvo´s abuse don´t have anything to do with him ending up shooting Clem. A least, most are.
Simply because they didn't use that exact phrasing doesn't deny that a lot of them felt perfectly justified in hating Arvo and being okay wi… moreth him being mistreated BECAUSE he ends up shooting Clementine.
What'd have been braver on Telltale's part would actually be challenging that hatred and making Kenny out to be unsympathetic, but of course they didn't have the guts to do that. "Edginess" is only acceptable when weak people are made out to be deserving of hate.
He lost his family due to his own lies. Arvo is the one who was stealing from his own group and then lied and blamed us. He is the one who lead them to us. The Russians thought we were scavengers who would steal from a poor crippled kid so its no wonder they wanted to rob us of everything. Buricko also only opened fire after we shoot first. Up until that point they kept telling Arvo to tell us to put our guns down. Stop blaming Arvos actions on everyone but Arvo.
Remember that when Clem first meets him, he's terrified at the prospect at having to shoot someone - particularly a girl - and likely wouldn… more't have gone through with it if Clem simply talked him down.
It's after experiencing the trauma of losing his family due to their group overreacting (it was Buricko who wanted to rob Clem's group of everything, just as he was the one who opened fire) and then getting constantly beaten by Kenny that he hardened into a more dangerous person. Keep in mind that he evidently had no grudge against Mike, Bonnie or Luke - especially since the writers made sure that Mike was the only guy who made a real effort to befriend Arvo.
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Hell, I wish you were less apologetic and just outright say that you pity and sympathize with Arvo. It doesn't matter one lick how strangers would feel about that, considering how much empathy and love is dumped onto people and characters who do remarkably unsympathetic things.
I feel bad for the kid, and Kenny crossed the line of no return when he repeatedly abused Arvo. I am not buying the 'redemption' of a violent and angry man one bit, not after Telltale showed their true colors with their lack of empathy towards Sarah and their treatment of Sarita as a motivator for Kenny to verbally abuse the child protagonist. I absolutely refuse to be manipulated into thinking that a hateful, thoughtless brute deserves more sympathy than a disabled boy who lost his family and whose writers consistently dehumanized.
There, there, lemon. Why don't you take a warm shower and calm yourself down? Making a fool of yourself with your hyperbole isn't exactly what you want.
"I don't care what your opinion is"
"Please read my opinion and don't call it garbage"
It's pretentious pseudo-fanfic garbage and abou… moret as useful to an actual discussion as Bokor's repeated "nobody cares what you say Lemoncakes!" replies. Arvo is actively trying to kill Clem and you write up a bloated defense post filled with false equivocations. It will be a happy day when we get the Nate DLC where you hang Arvo with barbed wire and gut him with antlers.
Well didnt the same this kind of happen to Nick, you can yell at him to not shoot and he still shoots Matthew in the neck and Nick seemed to be forgiven quickly.
Arvo doesn't know Clementine at all like we do! Clem brings him only pain and suffering. We have this pre-conceived notion that Arvo's a bad… more dude because Kenny's always yelling at him and never letting him speak for himself. In the firefight, he didn't want any bloodshed. He was blindly trying to save his sister (who was already dead) through CPR and when he saw her reanimate then shot, it was like snuffing out the light from a candle, all his hope was gone and replaced with a deep setted grief and anger at the people who only brought him misery. He had no power at all and no control up until Mike and Bonnie (d) take him with them. Given the gun, he took the opportunity to seize the power offered to him but instantly regretted shooting Clem. It's so sad that TellTale never gives him a chance to change his perception of Clem. No Arvo will remember that moments, hardly any chance for interaction. What a waste of a character.
Yeah, it was dumb that there was never an opportunity to talk to Arvo about that. I guess the explanation would be that maybe Arvo just needed someone to blame for what happened. Since Clem was right there and he saw her shoot his sister, all the blame just fell on her and stuck. Just like how Kenny kept blaming Arvo for the group's problems or Lilly targeted Carley for her group's problems. I actuality, I think they just wanted to give Arvo a reason to shoot Clem and this was the one they came up with, as contrived as it is.
He could have known if he bothered to ask. Hell, even if he had just yelled "WHY??!" at Clem she would have explained. Its the freaking ZA, … moreyou would think people coming back as zombies on a routine basis would make someone stop and think, hmm, maybe that little girl (who didnt steal from me and tried to stop my abuse at the hands of that crazy old man) DIDNT shoot my sister in the face in cold blood. Maybe, just maybe, my sister, whose heart had stopped and was bleeding from a bullet wound died and came back as a zombie?
We dont know if Arvos intent was to kill Clementine, he shot her in total fear you can see his reaction afterwards he wasnt trying to kill Clementine.. Arvo isnt some murderer he is just a teenager.
"I don't care what your opinion is"
"Please read my opinion and don't call it garbage"
It's pretentious pseudo-fanfic garbage and abou… moret as useful to an actual discussion as Bokor's repeated "nobody cares what you say Lemoncakes!" replies. Arvo is actively trying to kill Clem and you write up a bloated defense post filled with false equivocations. It will be a happy day when we get the Nate DLC where you hang Arvo with barbed wire and gut him with antlers.
Different (but still stupid) circumstances. Nick shot an armed stranger under the impression that he was threatening his friends. Arvo shot a little girl who was potentially unarmed, apparently out of revenge for her shooting his sister and spite towards Kenny.
Arvo's crime is more inexcusable, but that doesn't prevent me from pitying him or being disgusted by how Kenny and the fan-base at large irrationally hate him and justify his misery.
Well didnt the same this kind of happen to Nick, you can yell at him to not shoot and he still shoots Matthew in the neck and Nick seemed to be forgiven quickly.
Different (but still stupid) circumstances. Nick shot an armed stranger under the impression that he was threatening his friends. Arvo sho… moret a little girl who was potentially unarmed, apparently out of revenge for her shooting his sister and spite towards Kenny.
Arvo's crime is more inexcusable, but that doesn't prevent me from pitying him or being disgusted by how Kenny and the fan-base at large irrationally hate him and justify his misery.
In the event that she calls for help? Possibly. In the event where she surrenders? Writing on the same caliber as the writing that allowed none of Clem's group to be hurt when the Russians opened fire on them at close range.
She was standing still. After putting her gun down and posing no danger to Arvo, Mike, or Bonnie at that point.
So yeah, Arvo was clearly trying to kill her. Unless standing completely still with no intent to cause any harm is some form of threat, the only thing that keeps Arvo from becoming an actual murderer is that the bullet was just a little off center.
We dont know if Arvos intent was to kill Clementine, he shot her in total fear you can see his reaction afterwards he wasnt trying to kill Clementine.. Arvo isnt some murderer he is just a teenager.
Hes still looking out for Mike and Bonnie when Clementine surrenders, Mike seemed like he was going to talk to Clementine before leaving and Arvo probably knew Kenny would come out and see what was going on.
Theres actually plently of reasons Arvo is still looking out for Mike and Bonnie even if Clem surrenders.
In the event that she calls for help? Possibly. In the event where she surrenders? Writing on the same caliber as the writing that allowed none of Clem's group to be hurt when the Russians opened fire on them at close range.
I do personally, yeah, but me choosing to sympathize isn't relevant. I suppplied the "facts" for people to come to their own stance on it. I try to get people to see my stance, yeah, but I know that I can't really chance too much.
Hell, I wish you were less apologetic and just outright say that you pity and sympathize with Arvo. It doesn't matter one lick how stranger… mores would feel about that, considering how much empathy and love is dumped onto people and characters who do remarkably unsympathetic things.
I feel bad for the kid, and Kenny crossed the line of no return when he repeatedly abused Arvo. I am not buying the 'redemption' of a violent and angry man one bit, not after Telltale showed their true colors with their lack of empathy towards Sarah and their treatment of Sarita as a motivator for Kenny to verbally abuse the child protagonist. I absolutely refuse to be manipulated into thinking that a hateful, thoughtless brute deserves more sympathy than a disabled boy who lost his family and whose writers consistently dehumanized.
Thats not different. You don't think there is a difference between a child murdering someone and a 50 year old man murdering someone? You think we should treat them the same? While I can potentially understand wanting revenge for a loved ones death, I cant understand the mindset that would have someone take revenge on a child.
Also, is it murder if their group attacked them at gunpoint and tried to rob them?
That's different, she shot his sis and he thought it was murder. It's not like he just shot it for the lulz, you aren't going to forgive someone for that
Thats weird. I havent seen all that many people who think he did it "for no reason". Most of them just dont agree that his reasons are valid and dont change his actions. But maybe we are hanging out on different forums.
Who said I was making any sort of excuse? It's messed up to shoot anyone, plain and simple. I'm just explaining to people the 'why'. Because a lot of people just think he did it for no reason.
If he regrets it so much, why did he lie and tell his group we stole the supplies when we didnt? (In case you havent seen the translation, his group specifically mentions us stealing the medical supplies). He stole the supplies and blamed it on us because he knew we wouldnt be able to defend ourselves because of the language barrier. What did he expect would happened when he lead him to us? That we would all have some milk and cookies? And Buricko only shot after we fired first. Arvos sister is dead because he was willing to sacrifice Clem and her group to hide his theft of the medicine.
If you try to negotiate with Arvo in Episode 4, he clearly regrets that his group went too far and tells Clem that he wished they met in bet… moreter circumstances. "You were kind. That is not common." It's also not at all his fault that his sister died when it was Buricko who started the gunfight, and likely one of Clem's group members (Kenny?) who shot his sister. Also remember that as far as Arvo was concerned, he saw his sister crawling towards Clem and assumed she was alive when Clem shot her.
And what's wrong with him being defiant? People admire Kenny's stupid bravado when he took Carver's beating, and so do I. Even if you know that it'll hurt you, it's admirable to stand up to people abusing you rather than simply sniveling and cowering. I LIKED that Arvo was strong enough to tell Kenny to fuck off, and that he refused to beg for mercy while Kenny went off on him like an overgrown child.
A lot of people disagree. I'm not one of them - in real circumstances, CPR would do jack shit without the proper medication - but I'm drawing parallels between Lilly's irrational belief and Arvo's.
The idea that people believe CPR is some kind of magical revival technique is really weird to me O_O Like, if you know enough to do CPR, shouldn't you also know WHY you are doing CPR? Shouldn't you know that the whole point of it is to keep blood pumping until a defibrillator comes along cuz the chances of restating someones heart with only CPR are very, very small? And that even if by some miracle you do revive them, there is even a smaller chance that they would regain consciousness right away? I guess thats why I have so much trouble "understanding" Arvos motivations. Because I cant understand how he didnt come to the conclusion that his sister was a walker. Like obviously if this was the real world him thinking that is understandable, but its the ZA! There are reanimated corpses everywhere. How did he not even consider the possibility?
Why would Arvo even assume Clem killed his sister when she was obviously a walker.
I dunno, maybe because he thougth the CPR was working?
Just a thougth.
You mean, he didnt want to get shot while his group was trying to rob us of all our supplies Arvo is a bad dude cuz he lied and said we stole his medicine and then led his group to ambush us at gun point. There is nothing "pre-conceived" about it.
Arvo doesn't know Clementine at all like we do! Clem brings him only pain and suffering. We have this pre-conceived notion that Arvo's a bad… more dude because Kenny's always yelling at him and never letting him speak for himself. In the firefight, he didn't want any bloodshed. He was blindly trying to save his sister (who was already dead) through CPR and when he saw her reanimate then shot, it was like snuffing out the light from a candle, all his hope was gone and replaced with a deep setted grief and anger at the people who only brought him misery. He had no power at all and no control up until Mike and Bonnie (d) take him with them. Given the gun, he took the opportunity to seize the power offered to him but instantly regretted shooting Clem. It's so sad that TellTale never gives him a chance to change his perception of Clem. No Arvo will remember that moments, hardly any chance for interaction. What a waste of a character.
Because I cant understand how he didnt come to the conclusion that his sister was a walker. Like obviously if this was the real world him thinking that is understandable, but its the ZA! There are reanimated corpses everywhere. How did he not even consider the possibility?
Is stupid for him not to even think that, yes, but grief makes people irrational.
The idea that people believe CPR is some kind of magical revival technique is really weird to me O_O Like, if you know enough to do CPR, sho… moreuldn't you also know WHY you are doing CPR? Shouldn't you know that the whole point of it is to keep blood pumping until a defibrillator comes along cuz the chances of restating someones heart with only CPR are very, very small? And that even if by some miracle you do revive them, there is even a smaller chance that they would regain consciousness right away? I guess thats why I have so much trouble "understanding" Arvos motivations. Because I cant understand how he didnt come to the conclusion that his sister was a walker. Like obviously if this was the real world him thinking that is understandable, but its the ZA! There are reanimated corpses everywhere. How did he not even consider the possibility?
Pft. His reaction afterward is probably cuz he realized Kenny heard the gunshot and will come out and try to kill him, and that Mike and Bonnie may no longer feel as sympathetic towards him now that hes shot a little girl.
We dont know if Arvos intent was to kill Clementine, he shot her in total fear you can see his reaction afterwards he wasnt trying to kill Clementine.. Arvo isnt some murderer he is just a teenager.
So he thinks there is a chance Kenny might come out while Clem and Mike are talking, and his method of preventing that is to fire a loud gun into the chest of a little girl, pretty much ensuring the thing he was trying to prevent????? How does that make ANY kind of sense??? Like what are these "reasons" that are only solved by shooting a little girl?????
Hes still looking out for Mike and Bonnie when Clementine surrenders, Mike seemed like he was going to talk to Clementine before leaving and… more Arvo probably knew Kenny would come out and see what was going on.
Theres actually plently of reasons Arvo is still looking out for Mike and Bonnie even if Clem surrenders.
I think that he refuses to consider the possibility because its easier to blame Clem then it is to blame himself. I mean, he stole the supplies and lied that it was us, and then led his group to us because he believed he could get away with it due to the language barrier. And now she is dead and its easier to focus on hating Clem and plotting revenge then to acknowledge that its his own actions that led to his sisters death.
Yeah, it was dumb that there was never an opportunity to talk to Arvo about that. I guess the explanation would be that maybe Arvo just need… moreed someone to blame for what happened. Since Clem was right there and he saw her shoot his sister, all the blame just fell on her and stuck. Just like how Kenny kept blaming Arvo for the group's problems or Lilly targeted Carley for her group's problems. I actuality, I think they just wanted to give Arvo a reason to shoot Clem and this was the one they came up with, as contrived as it is.
You just.. had to… pull.. the trigger. Pull.. the trigger.. The next move she makes, you immediately construe as a threat, and shoot out of a combination of fear and spite. That moment, the little girl hits the snow and both of your new friends show immediate concern. Mike looks to you and immediately… you regret it. It shows on your face. You aren’t angry any longer, and what you did doesn’t make you proud—you shot someone. You shot someone. You just kept repeating it to your self and, before you knew it, you ran out of there.
You don't know if that's what was going through his head. I didn't see any sign of regret on his face after pulling the trigger. Only malice. Only hate.
And don't give me the "he thought Clem shot his sister" excuse. This is TWD. Almost two years into the apocalypse. Two years. He knows what happens to people when they die. If he had any kind of intelligence at all, he would know that Clementine shot a walker, not his sister. There is no excuse for what he did.
Age doesn't matter? Of course it matters. This is why you get attached to Clementine is season 1 in the first place. The whole game is built around the fact that we are supposed to protect children. That's the whole point.
And I can't really see how you can say that Arvo is 18 let alone 15? To me, he looks around 20. Even if he was 18, that's no kid. He knows what he's doing.
He shot an 11 year old girl (who, in some playthroughs, had shown him nothing but kindness and was giving up her fucking gun)
I dont buy the whole irrational argument. If it was in the moment sure, but its been 2 days. Not saying he wasnt still feeling grief, but he seemed pretty freaking rational when he was quietly escaping with Mike and Bonnie.
Because I cant understand how he didnt come to the conclusion that his sister was a walker. Like obviously if this was the real world him th… moreinking that is understandable, but its the ZA! There are reanimated corpses everywhere. How did he not even consider the possibility?
Is stupid for him not to even think that, yes, but grief makes people irrational.
I got all the major plot points. It's a fanfic from Arvo's perspective covering the things that happened in game.
I still say fuck that guy. He lied to his friends about me stealing from him and shot me even though I stuck up for him when I was no threat to him. If he's been a survivor as long as the rest of us he knows what happens when people die so my shooting his walker sister shouldn't have made him hate me.
Yeah sure, be nice to the guy who thinks you shot his sis. I'm sure that makes it all better for him. You didn't give him every chance, the writers didn't let us. The skimming is childish, can read that asap
I got all the major plot points. It's a fanfic from Arvo's perspective covering the things that happened in game.
I still say fuck that … moreguy. He lied to his friends about me stealing from him and shot me even though I stuck up for him when I was no threat to him. If he's been a survivor as long as the rest of us he knows what happens when people die so my shooting his walker sister shouldn't have made him hate me.
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He was telling his group to calm down when he discovered the baby, and Buricko refused to listen.
And pay attention to the context when he says "Fuck you." This is right after he finally leads his captors to his own home, with one of them dying by accident, and Kenny immediately starts beating on him and accusing him of lying without even using his brains to find out if Arvo did have supplies.
Kenny deserved more than just a "fuck you" as far as I'm concerned. Brainlessness and hyper-aggression makes you unfit for survival.
"I don't care what your opinion is"
"Please read my opinion and don't call it garbage"
It's pretentious pseudo-fanfic garbage and about as useful to an actual discussion as Bokor's repeated "nobody cares what you say Lemoncakes!" replies. Arvo is actively trying to kill Clem and you write up a bloated defense post filled with false equivocations. It will be a happy day when we get the Nate DLC where you hang Arvo with barbed wire and gut him with antlers.
Buricko is besides the point, Arvo clearly didn't think it would escalate into a gunfight and was afraid to die (he started flipping out just before the shoot out started). It may never have if Clem/Kenny didn't shoot Rebecca after she turned.
It's funny because I was hoping Kenny would have beat him to death in the cabin....when he said "Fuck you", I just was like "get'em Kenny". After the supplies were found I was just like, so what? It doesn't change the fact that he used those supplies as insurance to make sure he would not be killed straight away. He was always going to be a threat, regardless of whither or not Mike and Bonnie ran away with him. Arvo shooting Clem was just a parting gift....if he had half the chance, I really think he would have killed everyone but AJ.
In the end...is it so wrong of him to want that? No, not really but it does show that having blind sympathy can be just as dangerous as just outright killing someone over a misunderstanding.
I just hope that if Clem treated him bad, he would shoot her angrily without hesitation. If she always stands up for him, he can have a hesitaion before shoot her, or get a "Jesus Christ have I gone too far?" face after he has shot her. When someone does the same whatever we've done to him it's easy for us to get rage.
Uh, didnt Arvo intentionally lie to his group that we stole the medicine so that he could keep it for himself? And didnt he then lead them directly to us knowing that they would rob us blind? Why yes, yes he did.
I find it so weird that people keep blaming Kenny by saying "Well if Kenny didnt hit Arvo he wouldnt have shot Clem" but then dont think to say "Well if Arvo didnt lie and lead his group to rob us Kenny wouldnt have hit him".
I mean, I think Kenny was wrong to abuse Arvo, even thought I 100% blame him for Lukes death, but you cant try to blame Arvos decision to shoot Clem on Kenny, without also blaming Kennys decision to beat Arvo on the fact that he led his group to try and kill us (and yes, stealing all our stuff would have been a death sentence).
He could have known if he bothered to ask. Hell, even if he had just yelled "WHY??!" at Clem she would have explained. Its the freaking ZA, you would think people coming back as zombies on a routine basis would make someone stop and think, hmm, maybe that little girl (who didnt steal from me and tried to stop my abuse at the hands of that crazy old man) DIDNT shoot my sister in the face in cold blood. Maybe, just maybe, my sister, whose heart had stopped and was bleeding from a bullet wound died and came back as a zombie?
I appreciate you, on the other hand. Always being civil and trying to reason even if you don't agree, that's all I want out of this.
Yeah sure, be nice to the guy who thinks you shot his sis. I'm sure that makes it all better for him. You didn't give him every chance, the writers didn't let us. The skimming is childish, can read that asap
The bolded part is another thing I have never seen. Also, I mean that the reasons of Kenny fans for justifying Arvo´s abuse don´t have anything to do with him ending up shooting Clem. A least, most are.
He lost his family due to his own lies. Arvo is the one who was stealing from his own group and then lied and blamed us. He is the one who lead them to us. The Russians thought we were scavengers who would steal from a poor crippled kid so its no wonder they wanted to rob us of everything. Buricko also only opened fire after we shoot first. Up until that point they kept telling Arvo to tell us to put our guns down. Stop blaming Arvos actions on everyone but Arvo.
Yup, because everyone has to think the same way right?
Hell, I wish you were less apologetic and just outright say that you pity and sympathize with Arvo. It doesn't matter one lick how strangers would feel about that, considering how much empathy and love is dumped onto people and characters who do remarkably unsympathetic things.
I feel bad for the kid, and Kenny crossed the line of no return when he repeatedly abused Arvo. I am not buying the 'redemption' of a violent and angry man one bit, not after Telltale showed their true colors with their lack of empathy towards Sarah and their treatment of Sarita as a motivator for Kenny to verbally abuse the child protagonist. I absolutely refuse to be manipulated into thinking that a hateful, thoughtless brute deserves more sympathy than a disabled boy who lost his family and whose writers consistently dehumanized.
There, there, lemon. Why don't you take a warm shower and calm yourself down? Making a fool of yourself with your hyperbole isn't exactly what you want.
Well didnt the same this kind of happen to Nick, you can yell at him to not shoot and he still shoots Matthew in the neck and Nick seemed to be forgiven quickly.
Nope.
Yeah, it was dumb that there was never an opportunity to talk to Arvo about that. I guess the explanation would be that maybe Arvo just needed someone to blame for what happened. Since Clem was right there and he saw her shoot his sister, all the blame just fell on her and stuck. Just like how Kenny kept blaming Arvo for the group's problems or Lilly targeted Carley for her group's problems. I actuality, I think they just wanted to give Arvo a reason to shoot Clem and this was the one they came up with, as contrived as it is.
We dont know if Arvos intent was to kill Clementine, he shot her in total fear you can see his reaction afterwards he wasnt trying to kill Clementine.. Arvo isnt some murderer he is just a teenager.
Different (but still stupid) circumstances. Nick shot an armed stranger under the impression that he was threatening his friends. Arvo shot a little girl who was potentially unarmed, apparently out of revenge for her shooting his sister and spite towards Kenny.
Arvo's crime is more inexcusable, but that doesn't prevent me from pitying him or being disgusted by how Kenny and the fan-base at large irrationally hate him and justify his misery.
Though Arvo shot her out of the worry of his friends as well
In the event that she calls for help? Possibly. In the event where she surrenders? Writing on the same caliber as the writing that allowed none of Clem's group to be hurt when the Russians opened fire on them at close range.
She was standing still. After putting her gun down and posing no danger to Arvo, Mike, or Bonnie at that point.
So yeah, Arvo was clearly trying to kill her. Unless standing completely still with no intent to cause any harm is some form of threat, the only thing that keeps Arvo from becoming an actual murderer is that the bullet was just a little off center.
Hes still looking out for Mike and Bonnie when Clementine surrenders, Mike seemed like he was going to talk to Clementine before leaving and Arvo probably knew Kenny would come out and see what was going on.
Theres actually plently of reasons Arvo is still looking out for Mike and Bonnie even if Clem surrenders.
I do personally, yeah, but me choosing to sympathize isn't relevant. I suppplied the "facts" for people to come to their own stance on it. I try to get people to see my stance, yeah, but I know that I can't really chance too much.
Thats not different. You don't think there is a difference between a child murdering someone and a 50 year old man murdering someone? You think we should treat them the same? While I can potentially understand wanting revenge for a loved ones death, I cant understand the mindset that would have someone take revenge on a child.
Also, is it murder if their group attacked them at gunpoint and tried to rob them?
Thats weird. I havent seen all that many people who think he did it "for no reason". Most of them just dont agree that his reasons are valid and dont change his actions. But maybe we are hanging out on different forums.
If he regrets it so much, why did he lie and tell his group we stole the supplies when we didnt? (In case you havent seen the translation, his group specifically mentions us stealing the medical supplies). He stole the supplies and blamed it on us because he knew we wouldnt be able to defend ourselves because of the language barrier. What did he expect would happened when he lead him to us? That we would all have some milk and cookies? And Buricko only shot after we fired first. Arvos sister is dead because he was willing to sacrifice Clem and her group to hide his theft of the medicine.
Ah, okay then.
The idea that people believe CPR is some kind of magical revival technique is really weird to me O_O Like, if you know enough to do CPR, shouldn't you also know WHY you are doing CPR? Shouldn't you know that the whole point of it is to keep blood pumping until a defibrillator comes along cuz the chances of restating someones heart with only CPR are very, very small? And that even if by some miracle you do revive them, there is even a smaller chance that they would regain consciousness right away? I guess thats why I have so much trouble "understanding" Arvos motivations. Because I cant understand how he didnt come to the conclusion that his sister was a walker. Like obviously if this was the real world him thinking that is understandable, but its the ZA! There are reanimated corpses everywhere. How did he not even consider the possibility?
You mean, he didnt want to get shot while his group was trying to rob us of all our supplies
Arvo is a bad dude cuz he lied and said we stole his medicine and then led his group to ambush us at gun point. There is nothing "pre-conceived" about it.
Is stupid for him not to even think that, yes, but grief makes people irrational.
Pft. His reaction afterward is probably cuz he realized Kenny heard the gunshot and will come out and try to kill him, and that Mike and Bonnie may no longer feel as sympathetic towards him now that hes shot a little girl.
Burning is the most painful way to die, only people like Carver deserve that, not Arvo.
So he thinks there is a chance Kenny might come out while Clem and Mike are talking, and his method of preventing that is to fire a loud gun into the chest of a little girl, pretty much ensuring the thing he was trying to prevent????? How does that make ANY kind of sense??? Like what are these "reasons" that are only solved by shooting a little girl?????
I think that he refuses to consider the possibility because its easier to blame Clem then it is to blame himself. I mean, he stole the supplies and lied that it was us, and then led his group to us because he believed he could get away with it due to the language barrier. And now she is dead and its easier to focus on hating Clem and plotting revenge then to acknowledge that its his own actions that led to his sisters death.
Arvo was a hateful little shit. Pure and simple.
You don't know if that's what was going through his head. I didn't see any sign of regret on his face after pulling the trigger. Only malice. Only hate.
And don't give me the "he thought Clem shot his sister" excuse. This is TWD. Almost two years into the apocalypse. Two years. He knows what happens to people when they die. If he had any kind of intelligence at all, he would know that Clementine shot a walker, not his sister. There is no excuse for what he did.
Age doesn't matter? Of course it matters. This is why you get attached to Clementine is season 1 in the first place. The whole game is built around the fact that we are supposed to protect children. That's the whole point.
And I can't really see how you can say that Arvo is 18 let alone 15? To me, he looks around 20. Even if he was 18, that's no kid. He knows what he's doing.
He shot an 11 year old girl (who, in some playthroughs, had shown him nothing but kindness and was giving up her fucking gun)
Fuck. Him.
I dont buy the whole irrational argument. If it was in the moment sure, but its been 2 days. Not saying he wasnt still feeling grief, but he seemed pretty freaking rational when he was quietly escaping with Mike and Bonnie.
I got all the major plot points. It's a fanfic from Arvo's perspective covering the things that happened in game.
I still say fuck that guy. He lied to his friends about me stealing from him and shot me even though I stuck up for him when I was no threat to him. If he's been a survivor as long as the rest of us he knows what happens when people die so my shooting his walker sister shouldn't have made him hate me.
Carver got what he deserved. Humiliation.
But this russian asshole just got away.
Got your back bro