Kenny in season 2 Devalues EVERYTHING about Lee
Season 1 was Lee's story. As much as Kenny fans want to hijack it and say Kenny was a Co-Protagonist (he wasn't). He even had an ambigous death. And yes it was an ambiguous DEATH, not an ambiguous SURVIVAL like some people begged and moaned, and eventually convinced the new writers to actually agree with.
So now Telltale wants me to go back to the EXCELLENT writing and story of season 1 and think to myself, "lee you don't matter, Kenny will replace you and have a happy ending with Clementine. Oh and Duck and Katjaa, you don't matter either, kenny will replace you as well. It's all about Kenny in the end."
F that. Really, F THAT. Kenny ruined season 2 and has ruined the ENTIRE story of season 1 with the lovefest and fan fiction that was Season 2. I'm glad he's determinant now, really I AM. Thank god.
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Eh, I'm happy that he came back but in the way Telltale did it they Shit on the rest of the cast other than Clementine basically so I liked the idea but they could have executed it better...
Season 1 was still Clem´s story to me...it was simply preparing her for her role switch. Lee´s death was a good closure to his character and his role was filled plenty well by teaching Clementine. Kenny doesn´t have to suffer because Lee was used for Clem´s development.
Other characters were pushed back but I don´t think it´s necessarily over Kenny.
It's determinant, goddamit.
There are Duck references all over the Season 2. Kenny mentioned him each single episode, there is also a speech about Duck and Katjaa.
Just because he doesn't enjoy how Ken took up 50% of season 2 doesn't mean he's shaundi, lol.
He could have returned. But the way they did it was disrespectful, and asinine "I got lucky" LOL GREAT explanation writers. I'm sure if Clem didn't shoot Lee and he showed up at the lodge perfect with one arm him saying "I got lucky" would suffice. Give me a break.
He had metal plating in his head which deflected the bullet, if Clem decided to shoot him in the head. He got lucky, real lucky. He just had to rest there. If he kept the arm, his urban powers kept him alive through the infection.
Hire this person Telltale lol
Duck replaced by Clementine. Even though there is ZERO evidence of Clementine and Kenny ever having a relationship in S1. As explained in other thread. And Katjaa replaced by Sarita.
I'm not-so-secretly hoping that in the ending where Clem leaves Wellington with Kenny, he somehow manages to go crazy again, and end up forcing Clem to shoot him anyway. Or something else involving a really unheroic death.
Kenny didn't ruin Season 2. The writers did.
So the lost of somebody he loved means he can't love anyone again? k den.
to me, every character has its role in it season! even luke had an impact! kenny is one of those character that you feel you know truy, and that you can love no matter how wrong he may be! in my playthrough i didnt chose to keep him, but that doesnt mean i love him any less, but every wonderful story has an end, and for me that moment was the time for my kenny to go.
! also clementine is not a replacement for kennys family! if you truly see behind his actions, he is sad. not angry! thats why i wasnt shocked on his behaviour is this season.... it woudnt be normal! and specially on ep5.... the way he smile when he mention katja/duck, it breaks my heart the pain he go through.. you can see him at peace talking about them! and that what makes clementine special to him! she knows his pain, she knows his family. and his family was EVERYTHING to kenny! and that made her his family too. but no, clementine is not a replacement. she is just a reason for him to just keep on living and protect her! and thats why i love him and cried just like clem pulling that trigger! he was my family 
he was different than all of those with me! he was a friend. a long friend. he was the only one who knew Lee, and clementine was the only one that knows kennys family. that is a bond no one will break! long friends and buddys 
although my clementine will be forever changed by losing kenny and lee but, he didnt ruin season 2! he made it that much special! if its been another person that i had to shoot, it wouldnt have an impact on me! he just made it a special season, he may not have the impact that lee's death has, but you cant hate him! you are (elementine) the only person that knew him! i get why he is sad but, he didnt ruin season 2 for me, he made it just more special to have someone that you can truly trust- that he'll never hurt you or betray you
after kennys death, clementine will only trust herself and no one else! even jane. kenny and lee are the only one's that made me cry. and that is special! so yeah. he didnt ruin the season and he is loved
RIP KENNY! 
telltale you make me talk about video game characters as if they were humans!!! damn. im not crazy right? LOL!!! anyways love you guys:p internet friends!
Except S2 is acting like Clem and Kenny are "old friends." which isn't true.
so what i got from this is
1.because there is a happy ending with kenny (which is determinant) lee doesn't matter anymore
2.umm they have been mentioned in every episode since kenny came back but judging from you comment above kenny shouldn't be allowed to talk about them and love anybody ever again
3.you think kenny ruined season 2 when really it was the inconsistent writing due to telltale deciding to switch writers every episode the only good writer was nick breckon and kenny didn't affect the season 1 story at all
ok then.... nice try shaundi
reverse textual analysis suggests otherwise
That's up to the player to decide.
Here we go again
Knowing Telltale; that might as well happen. Death upon the determinants!
And this player didn't see any legitimate evidence of bonding in S1, so yeah I think people should look a bit more into this.
I pray that Kenny is giving the same determinate death's as Sarah or Nick. Just make him die of dysentery or some such shitty death.
I killed Kenny in the end, so for me and for those of you that thought Kenny really died, it was closure. Basically, unless you are totally apathetic or a "Kenny can do no wrong" type of person, its really the only option. In the end, I didn't think either Jane or Kenny were worthy being a companion and they were both a danger to the baby and Clementine, so I'm glad that the story went this way because it forces you to make choices like these even more so than in Season 1. They game was really polarizing and Kenny made it even more polarizing.
I disagree with you Peachy. Season 2 is not about Kenny, it never was. Season 2 was about Clementine struggling to gain her morals, I believe Kenny may have been implemented to show us this.
I really don't like the idea that the player must decide this, I'd have liked to have received some kind of evidence, but that's just me.
As much as I'm not a big fan of Kenny as I used to be, I'm going to correct you on something.
When they recorded Episode 5 (S1) of Kenny's 'death', he was originally screaming and gurgling a lot more. But, they decided to scrape it BEFORE the Episode was even published. No fans 'begged and moaned' for Kenny to come back, that was the plan before hand.
People will say that it was Clem's fault either way. " She was asking for it hur dur"
LOL I wasn't even going to respond to this obvious Clem Is Awesome troll as Green did a perfect job. But I'm sure a mod can verify IP addresses and other things when determining who people are smartguy. I dont even know who Shaundi is BTW, but I assume he got under your skin since you say this to every person who isn't sucking off Kenny. LOL how sad. If you want to throw out accusations I'd glady take this to the owners of the site, and prove you wrong. Otherwise your OT posts have no business here.
hyperbole for the win
"No fans "begged and moaned" for kenny to come back.
Really? We going down this road.
Hold on, before we actually, possibly, go down that road, there's a difference.
I'm talking about once Kenny 'died'. Yeah, sure, the occasional "omg kennys ded i miss him", but it wasn't like how the madness was at the end of Episode 1 of S2. Lots of people demanded that it was Kenny.
So, I'm talking about a different time.
im so sad that this is what we come to, kenny is amazing, and on MULTIPLE occasions, he asks clem what lee would do, and he compliments lee ALOT, kenny is back because he is the only one who would make sense to the "I thought you were dead" line in the trailer, it couldn't have been lee, it couldnt have been Doug/Carley it could NOT have been lilly since we never saw her die, it couldnt have been omid or christa, because clem still believes christa is alive, it could only be kenny because he didn't die on screen, and if anyone, kenny deserved that role so he could redeem himself of being a dick to lee, which he did with his ending, not that YOU would know that now would you? You a kenny hater, then you a babykiller.
they did beg, i was on this site every day to support them against the haters.
There's another type of person, it seems. Some people don't think it's right for others to use lethal force to kill somebody that's trying to murder somebody else (only self defense).
That's... odd as hell to me... but those people are out there. I've talked with them on these forums.
I'm not a Kenny hater. I'm a person who values ALL characters, and sees their meaning in the story. Kenny isn't better than anybody else and has been given MORE than enough to his fans. On the topic of REDEEMING himself, he did when he "supposedly" sacrificed his life in EP 5 of season 1. I actually thought to myself, you know what, he was a good man, and I'm very happy that he did that. And then season 2 rolls around and I had to endure his sucky attitude and hate him all over again, while other characters got left in the dust. Yeah dude, I ain't happy about that. Not to mention the FORCED relationship with Clem, and him reigning supreme over characters introduced for no reason whatsoever. Nearly everyone hated him, and I'm supposed to believe he was the leader for the entire season? Great.
Just one thing about his "ambiguous death" , as you called it . Special stats after end of S1 were said about Kenny : " He lost ( not died ) in the herd , trying to save Christa/Ben " , so Telltale already had plans for him , so it's not true that they put him in S2 because of fans begging or something.
There was like a 3 month time skip from s1 ep1 to s1 ep2 so maybe Kenny and Clem became really good friends during that time?
As evident by their stellar dialogue exchange after that of "Get on the train, Clementine." and...well that's it. The fact that upon talking to the cabin group about Kenny, Clem can either say that they're old friends, she doesn't know him that well, or she never liked him makes it clear that Telltale was going for a sort of "choose your own past" kind of thing. Only if you're going to do that, you need to have the character cite some meaningful exchanges that color why Clem would feel that way about Kenny. Not just have Clem give some vague opinion of Kenny and require the player to fill in the blanks. That sucks.
Eh, I blame Telltale for not having the guts to kill him off - they deliberately re-recorded Kenny's 'death' scene in order to lower the chances of his death from 100% to 99.999%. I don't understand why, even before Season 2 was confirmed, that they decided to keep him around. It really ruins the impact of his 'sacrifice', changing his motivation from suicidal to actually quite selfish.
Honestly, this season would have been fine if the writers didn't have a Kenny infatuation. I would have done it like this. Make it so Kenny doesn't wake up in time for the group to leave Howe's, so they have to abandon him in the end, leaving his status unknown and the character possibly alive or dead. A great series doesn't listen to it's fans every whim and need (see Game of Thrones). A great series will do everything in its power to create compelling characters and relationships and not giving one specific person special treatment. Great development of Cabin Group and Carver early who got screwed over by the large trainwreck that was Kenny.