Well you can ask him about discussing a change of plan more than once throughout episode 4, the one I remember more specifically is when you go to the docks, after you see the wrecked boats you can ask him and he just gets mad and shoots you down, the only thing he says is that the boat is the best plan and that's it.
I understand that. The point I'm trying to make is that you can't ever really challenge him on the actual specifics of the boat plan.
In any case while I don't disagree with you that he did know about navigation and probably could come up with something I'm pretty sure that much like in Season 2 he was just planning to improvise and hadn't really thought about what he would do after they get the boat, if you agree with him Lee is the same way, for example in the conversation with Chuck on the train he asks you if you have a plan, if your answer is the boat he will question where you are headed after you find the boat and Lee's answer will is something along the lines that he'll think about it once they get it, I don't remember his exacts words but Chuck didn't approve and I think we can all agree that Chuck was a wiser man than both Kenny and Lee.
I don't see how Kenny, a man who has made a profession out of living at sea for extended periods of time, would inexplicably be short sighted enough to not think about such simple concepts as long term fuel or battery life (I don't know anything about boats, but I'm assuming the battery wouldn't be an issue..). I'm sure he would know how to upkeep a boat. The thought that he would just blindly sail them out into the ocean and get them stranded there doesn't make much sense to me. Whether you think he is reckless or not (I personally don't find him to be that reckless), it is an odd thing to assume that Kenny would utterly fail to use common sense in connection with something he knows all too well as it is.
Obviously there really isn't any way for us to know which side of this is correct, I'm simply pointing out that it would be kind of bizarre for Kenny to fail at a situation that he is so familiar/experienced with. I think it is very likely that he would have known what he was dealing with (whether he took the time on screen to explain it in detail or not).
Well you can ask him about discussing a change of plan more than once throughout episode 4, the one I remember more specifically is when you… more go to the docks, after you see the wrecked boats you can ask him and he just gets mad and shoots you down, the only thing he says is that the boat is the best plan and that's it.
In any case while I don't disagree with you that he did know about navigation and probably could come up with something I'm pretty sure that much like in Season 2 he was just planning to improvise and hadn't really thought about what he would do after they get the boat, if you agree with him Lee is the same way, for example in the conversation with Chuck on the train he asks you if you have a plan, if your answer is the boat he will question where you are headed after you find the boat and Lee's answer will is something along the lines that he'll think about it once they get it, I don't remember his exacts words but Chuck did… [view original content]
fuck yeah, i hope he fucking died slow a death, ripped apart by walkers, fucking old bag shit. fuck i wish he could be alive so kenny (or jane i you chose her) could fucking rip him apart.
ohoho imagine; plot twist he got far from his useless group and shit when down for him and then met a group and made a deal with them for his boat parts and then somehow he became leader of that group, but heres the shocker... that group is the wellington group :O...
I really don't want to address all of those examples as it is kind of separate from what we're talking about here. Regardless of how you feel about his past actions, it is reasonable to assume that Kenny knew what he was doing in regards to the boat... given the fact that he was a professional fisherman before the apocalypse came about. He had lived at sea for extended periods of time. He knew enough about the boat to be able to fix it in the first place. Certainly he would have enough knowledge to the keep the boat running.
What's out there on the ocean? How do you know that it won't be just as bad somewhere else? He had no idea.
That's just the nature of the world they live in. Nowhere is known to be safe really. You can't honestly hold this against him.
Kenny has a history of plain stubborness and doing whatever he believes is right.
When Larry has a heart attack, he flat out smashes his … moreface in right in front of his own daughter.
After going out of the meat locker, Kenny can run out without any kind of plan
When the group comes across the The Stranger's car, he takes the stuff, regardless of what you do.
When Lee is pinned under the door, Kenny will do nothing.
When Duck is bitten, you can confront him and if you fail to convince him you will go back and see that Duck killed everyone. He says multiple times "He's not like the others. He'll be fine. Jesus, all ya'll are just making it worse!"
When Ben is hanging for his life, Kenny encourages Lee to drop him.
Granted, every little thing Kenny does seems to be justifiable in some way. Larry was going to turn! The car was abandoned! Oh he just lost his wife and kid! Oh he's depressed! Oh Ben killed Katjaa and Duck! But tha… [view original content]
Well yeah I guess you can't specifically ask about the boat, but like I said he isn't willing to discuss any sort of plan, I do remember him saying that "It's thought through!" to something about the boat but if I'm honest I haven't played it in a while and I could be confusing it with "It's talked through!" from episode 3 when Duck is bitten, I disagreed with him a lot so it's possible that different conversations are meshing together in my head and giving me the wrong idea but my memories do tell me that he wasn't willing to discuss it to any sort of degree.
At this point in the story Kenny has lost everything he had, all he has left is the miracle of being saved by the boat, it's all the hope he has left and throughout the Season it seems like hope is Kenny's main motivation, so I was under the impression that due to this Kenny couldn't think of anything besides getting the boat because what came after wasn't important since once they got the boat they were saved, again throughout both Seasons Kenny continually shows that he doesn't think things through, he just recklessly acts or plans just half-way through and expects the rest to work out somehow, so to me it actually seems more Kenny like to not have thought this through at all, but I'm guessing that our interpretations of the character are pretty different, as my opinion of him is pretty mixed while it seems like you see him in a mostly positive light, if I'm honest I think that a lot of people here have gotten Kenny's character completely wrong and interpret everything differently just because they like him rather than actually understand what a good character he is precisely because of how flawed he is, though it's possible I'm just projecting because I seem to disagree with people's opinion's of Kenny too much.
Well you can ask him about discussing a change of plan more than once throughout episode 4, the one I remember more specifically is when you… more go to the docks, after you see the wrecked boats you can ask him and he just gets mad and shoots you down, the only thing he says is that the boat is the best plan and that's it.
I understand that. The point I'm trying to make is that you can't ever really challenge him on the actual specifics of the boat plan.
In any case while I don't disagree with you that he did know about navigation and probably could come up with something I'm pretty sure that much like in Season 2 he was just planning to improvise and hadn't really thought about what he would do after they get the boat, if you agree with him Lee is the same way, for example in the conversation with Chuck on the train he asks you if you have a plan, if your answer is the boat he will question where you are headed after you find the bo… [view original content]
fuck yeah, i hope he fucking died slow a death, ripped apart by walkers, fucking old bag shit. fuck i wish he could be alive so kenny (or ja… morene i you chose her) could fucking rip him apart.
ohoho imagine; plot twist he got far from his useless group and shit when down for him and then met a group and made a deal with them for his boat parts and then somehow he became leader of that group, but heres the shocker... that group is the wellington group :O...
Mike and Bonnie did it for all the wrong reasons. They stole from their own group and betrayed people who trusted them while Vernon at least cared about his group.
He's on my list of most hated characters. He knew how much Kenny wanted the boat, made a deal with us in which he could have all the medicines he wanted, but still took the boat and he also saw how much trouble we had in Crawford to get that boat working, we had earned it.
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I understand that. The point I'm trying to make is that you can't ever really challenge him on the actual specifics of the boat plan.
I don't see how Kenny, a man who has made a profession out of living at sea for extended periods of time, would inexplicably be short sighted enough to not think about such simple concepts as long term fuel or battery life (I don't know anything about boats, but I'm assuming the battery wouldn't be an issue..). I'm sure he would know how to upkeep a boat. The thought that he would just blindly sail them out into the ocean and get them stranded there doesn't make much sense to me. Whether you think he is reckless or not (I personally don't find him to be that reckless), it is an odd thing to assume that Kenny would utterly fail to use common sense in connection with something he knows all too well as it is.
Obviously there really isn't any way for us to know which side of this is correct, I'm simply pointing out that it would be kind of bizarre for Kenny to fail at a situation that he is so familiar/experienced with. I think it is very likely that he would have known what he was dealing with (whether he took the time on screen to explain it in detail or not).
fuck yeah, i hope he fucking died slow a death, ripped apart by walkers, fucking old bag shit. fuck i wish he could be alive so kenny (or jane i you chose her) could fucking rip him apart.
ohoho imagine; plot twist he got far from his useless group and shit when down for him and then met a group and made a deal with them for his boat parts and then somehow he became leader of that group, but heres the shocker... that group is the wellington group :O...
I really don't want to address all of those examples as it is kind of separate from what we're talking about here. Regardless of how you feel about his past actions, it is reasonable to assume that Kenny knew what he was doing in regards to the boat... given the fact that he was a professional fisherman before the apocalypse came about. He had lived at sea for extended periods of time. He knew enough about the boat to be able to fix it in the first place. Certainly he would have enough knowledge to the keep the boat running.
That's just the nature of the world they live in. Nowhere is known to be safe really. You can't honestly hold this against him.
Entirely.
Survival or not, it doesn't justify it.
Well yeah I guess you can't specifically ask about the boat, but like I said he isn't willing to discuss any sort of plan, I do remember him saying that "It's thought through!" to something about the boat but if I'm honest I haven't played it in a while and I could be confusing it with "It's talked through!" from episode 3 when Duck is bitten, I disagreed with him a lot so it's possible that different conversations are meshing together in my head and giving me the wrong idea but my memories do tell me that he wasn't willing to discuss it to any sort of degree.
At this point in the story Kenny has lost everything he had, all he has left is the miracle of being saved by the boat, it's all the hope he has left and throughout the Season it seems like hope is Kenny's main motivation, so I was under the impression that due to this Kenny couldn't think of anything besides getting the boat because what came after wasn't important since once they got the boat they were saved, again throughout both Seasons Kenny continually shows that he doesn't think things through, he just recklessly acts or plans just half-way through and expects the rest to work out somehow, so to me it actually seems more Kenny like to not have thought this through at all, but I'm guessing that our interpretations of the character are pretty different, as my opinion of him is pretty mixed while it seems like you see him in a mostly positive light, if I'm honest I think that a lot of people here have gotten Kenny's character completely wrong and interpret everything differently just because they like him rather than actually understand what a good character he is precisely because of how flawed he is, though it's possible I'm just projecting because I seem to disagree with people's opinion's of Kenny too much.
Yes the very stubborn/hardheaded leaders of Wellington, that could work
Yeah, it doesn't.
Snake?
No.
I used to hate him, but when I found out he died, I thought he deserved it.
Vernon left his people after they all together stole it and got alone on boat. So they BOTH have done the wrong things .
I don't hate him. It was a crappy action, but I can't say I wouldn't do the same in his shoes.
He's on my list of most hated characters. He knew how much Kenny wanted the boat, made a deal with us in which he could have all the medicines he wanted, but still took the boat and he also saw how much trouble we had in Crawford to get that boat working, we had earned it.
I actually really liked Vernon.