What's your biggest complaint about playing as Clementine, as oposed to Lee?
My biggest complaint, is that we had to remake old friendships.
As Lee, we got establish bonds with the characters in Season 1, and it would have bee since to continue that in Season 2.
But no, Telltale had to make us essentially start all over again.
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I HATED playing as her. I get they were ambitious with the child protagonist leap but playing as her made me feel limited and the choices not matter. It didn't help when they sucked the character out of her from Season 1
I liked both. I enjoyed playing as Clementine BECAUSE of those restrictions. It felt right for a young girl of her age, not just a tanked up bloke who is able to swear and work better with hand on hand combat.
Contrary to popular belief I am not now, nor have I ever been, an eleven year old girl.
So getting into character was slightly more difficult.:)
I liked both i cant wait for season 3
The only complaint(s) that I have about playing as Clementine were a lot of the dialogue options lead to Clementine saying essentially the same thing(s), albeit in a slightly different way. While this probably happened in S1 as well, it was way more prevalent and noticeable in S2. And Clementine's dialogue options don't allow for Clementine to really be anything except amiable towards everyone....nothing she says to any of the characters really changes their view point or relationship with her. It would've been nice for Clems relationship with Kenny throughout the season to have affected the outcome of the fight with Jane. Even if you never side with Kenny in S2, he still is on your side...it would've been cool for if the player doesn't side with Kenny mostly that when Kenny attacks Jane over A.j, that he blames and attacks Clementine as well....all of the choices involving befriending Sarah amount to nothing other than her referring to Clementine as her 'friend' on occasion.
but given those grievances, I enjoyed playing as Clementine. I loved Lee, but I enjoy playing from the perspective of a child trying to survive...kids in games like this are usually only plot devices (such as A.j and S1 Clementine...I thought that the premise of S1, Lee having to protect an abandoned/orphaned child was pretty cliche)...there are some practicality issues with playing with a child, but it's only a video game....no one complains how unrealistic is in other zombies games, like Resident Evil when the player gets attacked and bitten by zombies, as long as the life meter doesn't run out completely and the character can usually heal themselves with medicine...it's understandable b/c it'd be impossible to get through an entire Resident Evil game and not get bitten several times...so if people can overlook that incongruity then people should be able to overlook the slight incongruities of having Clementine do a lot of what has been said that she can't do b/c of her age.
Lol, and I agree.
Playing as an 11 year old girl was difficult.
Understanding where she was coming from, cause of not being a woman, made it hard for me to relate to her.
I'm a man for one, so playing as a little girl didn't appeal to me. Also, even though this is fiction you want some realism. I don't believe adults would put as much weight in a little girls opinions. If I saw an adult looking to a child for advice my confidence in that adult would fall dramatically.
I have to agree, as a man, playing as an eleven year old girl did not appeal to me either.
And in regards to your comment about adults not putting much weight in the opinions of a little girl, adults generally will never take a child's opinions seriously, period.
Though that is not to say that children should be ignored, as by doing that it'll discourage them from sharing with others.
And quite frankly, in some respects, for a child to speak up as Clementine did, would be really inappropriate.
The old saying: "Children should be seen and not heard", does have some merit.
It's fine for a child to learn and to ask questions and to share ideas they might have when apropiate, but it is not okay for a child to presume they have the right to tell an adult what to do.
I'm just speaking in regards to the principle I mentioned.
Other than stuff like the wind turbine and the door in Amid the Ruins, I have no complaints really, I enjoyed playing as Clementine and I hope we play as her again in Season 3. In fact, as a result of playing as Clementine, I love her character even more than I did after Season 1.
The only thing that bugged me playing as Clementine was that the characters made her do EVERYTHING even at times when it was hard to believe they would ask a little girl to do those things. Other than that I enjoyed playing as Clemmy.
This is how i feel, i do agree that there where some unrealistic moments for her character but i still really enjoyed playing as Clementine.
I liked playing as Lee because he was likable
Looking back now, I was not as invested in the story when playing as Clementine when compared to playing as Lee.
The main problem for me was taking control of a pre-established character and making choices from my (and Lee's) opinions, as opposed to Clementine herself. The more I played the more I felt that Season 2 Clementine didn't feel the same as the Clementine from Season 1, mainly due to the drastic characterisation shift made off-screen and because of it she can be moulded into whoever we desire, which ends up making Season 2 Clementine appear even more of a shadow of her former self.
The other problem was her lack of a personal story arc, she's purely there as a protagonist and nothing else. She could easily be replaced by Becca and the story wouldn't have been all that different.
Lee was a good protagonist because of how he was introduced, a soon-to-be prisoner for murdering a senator, who ends up being caught in a middle of a zombie apocalypse. He wasn't portrayed as an evil person for murder a person, just a man who made a terrible mistake and is still capable of redeeming himself through keeping a lost child safe no matter the cost. He makes friends and enemies along the way, but his goal remains the same, go to Savannah and reunite the girl with his parents.
As for Clementine in Season 2, she's simply there for everyone else's story. She merely serves as a propeller to advance the story and slightly influence how they end through the choices the player makes. Whatever personal goals she has never seems to matter since other characters make them for her, when they're not telling her to do things that they can do easily themselves.
IMO the reason why the Lee was a better protagonist is because, people i think could relate better with Lee. We all have our basic beliefs, how if we found a orphan kid, who plays this child character extremely well, you feel protective of it. Most people would feel protective to a kid like S1 Clementine, unless you are a monster... That is why Season 1 was a success, imo. There wasn't that relationship in season 2, it just felt pointless.
I really like both of those characters and after season 2 I like Clementine even more then before. I can't wait for Season 3. Yes, she had some unrealistic moments but overall I think it was pretty fun playing as her. Though like I said, they (Telltale) could've pulled this off somehow differently. For example - Clementine was doing everything, yes and it would be more realistic if this was her decision. What I mean is that everyone would be more sceptical about little girl doing some dangerous stuff so in most situations they would rather have adult doing it. Something like that. I don't know.
Although like I said earlier I like both characters (Lee and Clem) and I hope that Telltale will fix some of the things from Season 2 to make Season 3 even better.
I never had any complaints playing as her. But if I had to nitpick, I would like to throw down with a character that pisses me off, Clem can't really fight back, Lee can.
I don't have any complaints about it.
Are you saying it's just because you're an adult and she's not or because she's female and you're male?
If it's the latter, it's a very odd complaint. If it's the former, I agree partially.
I liked playing as Clementine. Do I prefer to play as Lee? Yes, since I'm a grown man that can relate better to another full grown man. But from Clem's perspective it was handled incredibly well and I didn't feel completely helpless or feel like I just lived through a child's overpowered fantasy.
Everything she did was believable inside the realm of possibility in a zombie apocalypse game based off a comic book. Sure you could say she did everything, but I expected that since she is the main character of her story, it's what happens in these things called video games you get use to it lol.
If I have to gripe about one thing playing as Clem, it would be that some of the choices we can choose from seemed out of character for her (mean spirited stuff), but I guess it's more for what the player is feeling in the heat of the moment.
I'm glad we got to play as her instead of some other dude that would have to re-create the relationship Lee and Clem had. Using what Clementine was taught in S1 had me over joyed. Instead of another Daddy/Daughter simulator, we got to see the effect of what was taught and how much it was really paid off.
Nothing, I prefer playing Clementine over Lee.
playing an 11 year old child in an adult game was kinda bad, but weirdly what made it worse was that she didn't act like a child at all.
random person: oh, but in a harsh world she would grow up more quickly blah blah blah nonsense nonsense nonsense.
me: nope
plus nobody treated her like a child, she was asked/relied upon to do everything, it seemed like if there was a ninja swat assasin team of basasses in the game they would have asked her to kill zombies for them.
to top that off, because she was actually a child, the few times the game acknowledged she was a child just limited her actions and interactions
Well, I'll say I enjoyed playing as Clementine more so than Lee if for the only reason it was Clementine. However, the perspective tone was greatly missed throughout a large portion of season two to make the player feel like they were a small fractured child traversing the wastes of a world long gone. Wanting to remain bitter and distant only to protect herself from getting too attached from people who can potentially harm her. Throughout All That Remains and largely A House Divided, Clementine was an extremely interesting character portrait of someone who has lost so much at such a young age it has made her largely more mature while being more distinctly aggressive with people and even further attached from others' conflicts and more concerned with her personal agenda than anyone else's (although all of this is just the way I played it so this is all speculation on my part).
I don't like playing AS a girl because I'm a guy. As for listening to a child it has nothing to do with being a boy or girl. I think they might give you more determination to survive in order to keep them safe, but they wouldn't be really good for idea's on survival. What could a child that's 11 have to offer someone who not only has probably at least 20 years more life experience, but has also endured the very same zombie filled world? Keep my hair short?
I dont really have any complaints. Honestly my only one is that the 7 walkers smashing on a door doesnt knock it down, but here comes the 11 year girl with her shoe and then the door falls down.
My biggest complaint would be that Clem didn't get to build relationships with other characters and free roam as much as Lee. Lee always got to talk to the characters and get their input on the situation. All while forming a relationship with them. Clem only got to do something like this in EP2 and EP3. Characters either shooed her away or talked about one point.
What I would've liked is that in EP1, Clem could free roam inside/outside the cabin and talk to the other characters. We could play a game with Sarah, go fishing with Alvin, help Luke pack supplies, and reconcile with Carlos/Rebecca. And when we're all done, we'd talk to Pete and go to the river. And something like this again in EP2 before the group leaves to go to the Ski Lodge. There could be a small quest to help Nick find Pete's watch.
Wasn't one of the deleted scenes from the first episode Clementine and Alvin fishing together, I believe I heard that somewhere. And I agree, a lot of that would have been nice, but when episodes are forced to be cut to the hour and a half format, expect moments like that to get cut, which is why I'm glad Telltale's latest episodes have been around 2 hours long. In the second episode of TFTBL, there were a few moments where you could talk to people like in Season 1 and I was glad to see that be brought back, gives me hope that we will see that again in Season 3.
I just didn't feel any attachment to her, her character didn't interest me and it seemed like she was just a spectator in someone else's story.
There were some unrealistic moments, but that wind turbine was the worst puzzle I have ever seen. Adults have no idea how to turn off the wind turbine and then all Clem has to do is to use key to the switch.
Worst puzzle ever.
That's a weird attitude. I'm also a man, but I think that some of the best adventure games I have ever played have female protagonists. As long as the story is well told it really doesn't matter for most people if the protagonist is man or woman (unless you're uncertain about your own identity or something).
The child thing is a different matter. I usually associate child protagonists with children's stories or family films, like Home Alone. I usually dislike child characters who are stronger and smarter than the adults, because I find that very unrealistic and I think that it's unsuitable for stories aimed for adult audiences. However Clem was all right protagonist, despite some realism issues.
Personally I hope that next season has a protagonist who is more like Lee, Vince or Shel. Or maybe we get multiple protagonists and we can keep playing as Clem, but we also get chance to play as adult characters.
"Oh hai der Clementine listen we kno you are just a wee eleven year old girl but we're useless so pretty pls go do every simple task for us yes ok"
- Majority of S2 in a nutshell.
Clem must've secretly been hitting the gym big-time between the sixteen month gap.
She didn't really feel like a character at all. More like a cardboard cutout we embodied, which is unfair to Clementine considering how good a character she was in Season 1. She works better as a deuteragonist, I think.
did that bother you about season 1? because Lee has to do pretty much damn near everything as well
Her whole journey was pointless and lacked overarching meaning. It was like a row of random incidents that happened to a random person in the apocalypse. Plus, her being a kid had not even the advantage of leaning back and letting others do the donkeywork. No - It felt like playing as a miniature edition of Lee that gets pushed around but still has to save everybody's ass.
Yes but Lee is an adult and capable of 'knocking a few heads together' as Kenny puts it. If you're honestly asking me to view an 11-year old kid and a 30 something adult as equals in the sense that both should to be risking their lives for their group, to such extremes they might die for the things the members of that group ask of them...then I'm calling social services on you o_o Jesus man!
Sorry but I'm serious, much as I love the bridge stuff, I think it was dangerous of Luke only taking Clem with him; I can't buy into Carlos letting a little kid work a wind turbine unattended; the whole sneaking around Carvers was a cool idea, but letting Clem do most of it and by herself was also risky because she could've gotten killed if she was caught; I also can't buy into Jane letting Clem drive a truck when she could've easily done it herself or the whole business of letting Clem kick a door down, and I can't buy into the fact Kenny would be okay with letting Clem walk off with A.J possibily to their doom, even if he doesn't trust himself with A.J anymore.
There were times the game treated Clem as an adult rather than a child, that you could've just replaced her with an adult character in some scenes [not all of them, just some] and it wouldn't have made much difference. That's my bone to pick on that anyway x_x
besides the fact of being Clementine ? I always saw Clementine has a important character but with a minor role than others . She is never the type of character to be the main one . The most , i see her like Carl from the TV Show. but that's my opinion .. i would enjoy much more to start a new story or have someone like Luke has main character. I hope TTG bring us something better for Season 3 , though i'm 90% sure it will keep Clementine has main character.
That's a pretty poor excuse seeing as Clementine is a barely even a pre-teen. Her sex has virtually no bearing whatsoever on her character so far. She is not physically weaker than a boy her age would be, because neither have physically matured, nor is she spending the entire game pining over boys or having cramps, so what 'female moment' did she have that was sooo difficult to relate to?
I hate The Fact that they could have used this Oppertunity to show Just how weak you are in the Apocalypse, Make her scared, and Insignifigant to the bigger world, Have that sense of Helplessness when playing as her, But instead she just became a tank. -_-
It felt like we had no control.
To be fair it did make sense why she had to do that one, since the thing would've busted if there had been a larger weight on it. As well no one believed Sarah would do it, and Carlos probably would have refused.