S2 got sloppy from Episode 3.
I thought the first 2 episodes of S2 were really good even though there were a couple of flaws in ep2 I still loved it, but I think that from ep3 that's when it started to go downhill and then ep4 came along, that's when it got farcical. The last episode was good but the season was already ruined by then which was a great shame. 
Would you agree?
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I liked all the episodes a lot though i felt episode 3 was much weaker and that was where the wasted potential was.
Episodes 5 and 2 were great, Episodes 4 and 1 were very good.
They all had good and bad parts
This thread (and this comment) probably covers nothing that hasn't been said before, but I'll give my short and sweet input.
Episode 3 onwards lacked majorly in one thing that drives story: character development. It became focused on shock value, by killing people off every episode. That's why I think they were relatively lackluster.
Ya think?
And there was a TWDG confession on tumblr; I can't help but agree with it T_T
I loved all the episodes and was really happy with the way Season 2 went and I had no complaints and I didn't think there was bad writing.
Until I came on the forums.
You guys complain a lot which made me think: "Hey! Season 2 was crap after episode 2."
So, in my opinion I love Season 2 but I think it was just the way they treated the characters that made it seem bad.
Sort of the same here, except it happened to me around episode 4. The pessimism just creeps up on you, doesn't it?
I still think it's entertaining, but there's lots of wasted potential.
Definitely, after about a week I hated everything about episode 3, 4 and 5 but I hated 5 for my own reasons.
I agree the story dropped greatly without a sense of direction or obstacles
I want to add some thoughts here
I really feel like it was only episodes 3 and 4 that really weighed the season down. For the most part, I don't feel episode 5 had that many problems of it's own accord; most of them were carry-overs from the direction that 3 and 4 decided to go in. Episode 5 isn't without a few rough moments here and there, sure, but it feels much more in tune with the original vision that episodes 1 and 2 had going for the season. Characters like Kenny and Luke feel much more in tune to the characterization that they had going for them in episode 2, and it felt like the general sense of direction returned for episode 5, but by that point in time, it was too late for it to truly turn anything around or right the wrongs of the previous two episodes.
The way I look at it is sort of like this
The black line represents the projected direction of the story, where episode 1 starts, and where episode 5 should end.
The first two episodes felt like they were building naturally towards an ending, setting all the pieces in order and what such.
Then episode 3 arrives, and it throws a wrench into the plans. I've said it before, episode 3 does not feel like a bad episode at all if you were to look at it as a stand-alone episode, but it didn't feel like it lined up very well with the vision of the last two episodes. In that sense, it led the season's story astray.
Then you have episode 4. Episode 4 isn't really that bad, but it comes in on the heels of a pretty sudden diversion, and coupling that with the missed potential of this episode makes it the prime scapegoat to a lot of people. It tried to make some course correction, get the story back on track, but it's efforts felt fairly minimal.
And so that leaves us with episode 5, which made its best attempt to bring itself back up to the level it was originally operating at, although significantly hampered by the effects of the previous two episodes. I feel that episode 5 provided the best finale it could given the circumstances. Could it have been a bit better? Sure, but a fair amount of episode 5 had to keep damage control in mind, which helped impose a limit on the episode's potential overall. To me, episode 5 did deliver, but the problems that arose by the point that we reached this episode were a bit too huge for the episode to fully carry on it's own. Episode 5 feels very much in line with what 1 and 2 were aiming towards, and I think it's unfairly used as a scapegoat for problems and faults that aren't truly it's own to begin with.
Look at it this way: if in some other universe, episodes 3 and 4 were consistent and kept in line towards what the season was building towards, most people wouldn't have any huge concerns with episode 5. Sure, there would be a few complaints, and it probably wouldn't be as well received overall as No Time Left, but it would definitely be a solid finale in this scenario.
As a closing note, I still don't think season 2 was bad at all. I still find it to be a worthy follow-up to S1, but I'm not going to deny that the sense of direction felt like it went off course during episodes 3 and 4. If the writers were a bit more in tune with the overall direction of the season, it would have been very good. It's still relatively minor complaints to me personally. The general consensus of S2 for me is something along the lines of: solid and strong season, but not as strong as Season 1.
I think it got sloppy in episode 1.
Remind's me of Doc's drawings of the alternate future in "Back To The Future Part II".
I am in the strong minority when I say Episode 3 was one of my favorite episodes, not just from this season, but overall. There were flaws, every episode has them, but I thought this episode was well written, especially when it came to the character of Carver. I think it would have worked a lot better though had Pierre Shorette been allowed to make the episode a little longer than an hour and a half. But even then, it's still one of my favorite episodes.
Episode 4 was weak, I agree. I can't say I hate it, it did have some very good moments, but the overall writing was inferior to the caliber we usually see from this series. Episode 5 is my second favorite episode from this series, except for the Russian shootout farce in the beginning, everything after that was fantastic.
How so? Was it the time-skip, the cast, the pacing, etc.?
Time-skip, concept of the shed situation, final choice was nonsensical etc.
I agree with the flaws you posted, but for some reason I find myself willing to forgive those flaws when compared to the more blatant flaws seen in future episodes, at least that's what I think.
I agree about the last choice and definitely about that horrible timejump but whats wrong with the shed situation?
You forgot how Clementine could fight a grown man, and beat him up.
Everyone knows how i feel about S2, nothing else to say. It was IMO a complete let down to Season 1, but to each their own.
Just leaving someone with a bleeding wound in a shed overnight doesn't make any sense for a medical professional to do, even if they dont trust her.
I said it started in episode 1, not that it was worst in episode 1 :P
i didn't like the shed part either, i don't see why they wouldn't just take care of her, as a medical doctor, you are held to a oath, and have a duty to help someone.
It doesnt make sense if you know all the facts about every character including clementine (which they didnt), think logically and have a full stomach, fully rested and are not scared to death
It does if you consider the fact that they live in a world where its very likely she'll be dead anyway as its a walker bite. People in this world are selfish.
Particularly in the cabin groups case where they were being chased by a maniac, and by extension lived under a tyranical rule like Carvers for some period of time so there not that heroic if they were willing to abide by his rules
I thought it was a quite a good moral issue, the cabin group are not evil and you can see from there point of view why they did it.
In my book the shed situation would have been fine if it's purpose was to establish the cabin group as the dangerous and cold-hearted antagonists. They were ready to let Clementine die a slow and painful death, but hey, the heck with it, let's go fishing, Uncle Pete! And let's take Nice Nick with us, I hope he doesn't try to shoot me again!
I loved the entirety of S2. After every episode I played, I smiled and said to myself "that episode was great, I can't wait to see what will happen next" Only when you go on these forums people start nit-picking and over-embellish every little thing (sometimes that's a good thing) that'll give you second doubts. But luckily I know what I like and this game here is what I like.
I...didn't say the word 'worst' once in both my posts above, and I'm sure you didn't say it started in Episode 1 in your posts either.
You mentioned that the flaws in episode 1 are forgivable, which means that the ones in later episodes are worse though?
And 'I think it got sloppy in episode 1' doesn't imply that it was most sloppy in episode 1 in any way :P
But the cabin group are proven not to be selfish people?
There was so much hype in the build up to this season and they let us down big time! Season 3 is going to have to be something special to win back the fans and please make the episodes longer and deeper because only having 1hr30mins of an episode is shit!
What confession?
The Walking Dead Season 2 was, to me, much like Beyond Two Souls. The game looks pretty, the music’s good, the acting is pretty decent… At first glance it looks like an interesting, well-done game. There’re lots of moments that make you go “Oh my god! That was so intense!” But if you really think about the story for more than half a second you realize how little it makes sense, how inconsistent the characters are, how often dramatic things just happen for the sake of moving the plot along.
Of course, these issues were present all throughout Season 2 (hell, even in Season 1), but there was enough good up until A House Divided that the flaws were forgivable. In Harm’s Way was a huge let down in general. Amid The Ruins had a nonsensical, cringe-worthy plot. And No Going Back perfected the art of inconsistent characterization and bullshit plot conveniences.
It’s a shame because aside from the ridiculousness of everyone surviving the shootout, I really thought No Going Back was going to save Season 2. But then everything went downhill after Luke’s easily preventable death…
The pic I just posted, it was on tumblr o.o
All I can say about this episode is that I was really bored when I played it and hated every second of it.
They seem to be going back to longer episodes, have you seen TFTB and GOT yet? Each episode is usually around 2 hours long.
Well I felt like No Going Back is like the second best episode counting both seasons so I disagree.
My friend made this lol
From my perspective, yes.
I wasn't implying that you were saying that Episode 1 was the most sloppy, I merely wanted to know why you said why Episode 1 started to get sloppy there.
I love season 2 but I kinda agree. I thought episode 3 and 4 weren't really bad episode. But if you're talking about storyline wise then I did notice that it sorta went to another direction after episode 3.
I disagree. I liked episodes 3-5. I didn`t really like how some things played out, in E5. But overall, it was a good episode, and great season, imo.
I disagree. I thought all 5 episodes of season 2 were strong with episode 4 being the weakest(yet still good). Episode 3 I thought was the second best episode of the season. Tbh I tink that backlash towards season 2 is mostly undeserved.
You forget that the group was not sure if it was a dog bite or a walker bite. They can't afford to have waster their supplies or let someone in if they might turn into a walker. You may not agree with it, but it made sense why Carlos would keep Clem in the shed, especially of how protective he is about his daughter.
What do you mean? what was the original vision?
I have a feeling someone guessed the ending of the season after episode 2 and TTG were like "OH NOES WE HAZ TO CHANGE IT" and in their effort trying to fix the plot into something more unpredictable they let out a fart that they were trying to hold in that basically manifested itself as the plot. It was a decent smelling fart though, I have found it entertaining but I have smelt better.