I find it odd that people are losing their shit over Sansa getting raped, yet Daenerys has been raped twice and Cersei almost got raped without anybody batting an eye.
Good episode, though.
I dont think Sansa knew anything about Ramsay. Why would she? Until recently, he was just Roose Bolton's bastard. By the time she realized what kind of monster he was, it was too late.
I thought Cercei looked ridiculous trying to imitate Tywin.
Im enjoying the season so far. It may not have a half dozen events like last season but i wasnt expecting it to based on where we are in the books.
* I don’t really know what to think of Sansa’s storyline, besides that it didn’t make any sense from the beginning. She must have known that… more Ramsay is horrible and this was going to happen, and I think she’s just playing her part and biding her time (and she didn’t light a candle). She must have a kind of plan – please let her do something of her own and not just getting rescued by Theon or Brienne.
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* Alfie Allen’s acting was grand in this episode. When he sayed his name again ... very powerful scene.
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* Also we have at least one worse storyline right now, that is Dorne. The fighting scene was unintentionally funny. How they waved about their weapons and waited for their opponents to finish their useless twirling moves.... they behaved like stupid NPCs in a videogame. Even Xena had better action scenes than this.
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* ... what was it with Jaime and Bronn suddenly popping up in the Water Gardens. Nobody’s wondering about the two obv… [view original content]
After all the unpleasant encounters she had so far, did she really think Ramsay - son of Roose Bolton - would be an okay guy? The name alone should have been warning enough.
And everything in the dinner scene. Ramsay enjoyed mocking her and Theon in a sadistic way. He insisted on Theon taking part in the wedding ceremony while he knew the history they have with each other and that Sansa despises him. Also Theon's mental disorder. He - a Lord's son - sleeps in the kennels and serves as a butler to a bastard. Something terrible must have happened to him, and when she asked Ramsay about it he jokingly evaded the question. Can it be more obvious? Sansa must have good sensors for psychopaths by now.
I don't think it was too late to try to get out of Winterfell at this point of time (or light a candle) or trying to delay the marriage. But she doesn't want to leave again. Well, that's my take on it. Let's see which direction they go with her. It could turn out really great or really unsatisfactory.
I dont think Sansa knew anything about Ramsay. Why would she? Until recently, he was just Roose Bolton's bastard. By the time she realized w… morehat kind of monster he was, it was too late.
I thought Cercei looked ridiculous trying to imitate Tywin.
Im enjoying the season so far. It may not have a half dozen events like last season but i wasnt expecting it to based on where we are in the books.
And Sophie Turner who portrays her, said herself that she was shocked when she read the script because at the end of season 4 it looked like Sansa would become a player and that it wasn't the case.
I guess we see things differently. I saw it as she telling Reek that she has Northern allies that will help them. I guess either she will sympathize with Reek or he tells her the truth at some point.
Again, she allowed herself to be manipulated. In what way does it make sense for Sansa to marry the Boltons who murdered her family, all it does is give the Boltons more power. Throughout the end of S4 and the beginning of S5 we saw her rationally deduce LF's motives and become more analytic in general.
Yet the writers would have you convince that all it took for Sansa to make a total irrational move was a cheesy LF speech. Like literally there is no logic or planning behind it at all. All we get is LF "Make ramsey yours..." what exactly can she do? She's surrounded by people who murdered her family and flay their enemies alive.
And the soldier of the Vale serve Sansa first and foremost, they don't trust Petyr, she could have assumed control of that situation.
It's bad writing and goes against everything they built up with Sansa's character and the only reason it was done is because they needed a POV in Winterfell because Ramsay simply torturing Theon is overdone by now.
Littlefinger was just saying that. No way he was turning around. If that tactic didnt work, he would have used something else. He saved her … morelife twice so she trusted him and had no one else and no where else to go. Your doing an awful lot of victim blsming when Littlefinger is the cause of all of this.
I really, really, really enjoyed this episode. It had me feelin' all kinds of emotions.
Arya's segments were pretty good. I am really interested to see where it goes, especially with Meryn and Mace arriving in Braavos very, very, very soon. There was a very gloomy, mysterious atmosphere about Arya's scenes which I really liked.
Jorah and Tyrion are life. I love their scenes so much, because they've just got great banter together. I have to give my props to Iain Glen; you could see so much raw emotion in his face when Tyrion told him about The Old Bear's death. I liked their scenes, and, I'm really looking forward to seeing Jorah whip some ass in the fighting pits.
I'll be honest; I honestly don't know why people dislike Dorne. I've seen people be like...
"EW- THE SAND SNAKES ARE SUCH HORRIBLEH ACTRESSES!"
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but, I just can't understand how people can be so judgmental after TWO scenes. Sure, the accents aren't the best- but, we have yet to see these actresses in an emotionally powerful scene... hell... we haven't even heard Nymeria and Tyene speak a fucking paragraph.
I enjoyed the Dorne scenes. The fight wasn't the best, far from it. And I look forward to more Dorne scenes. And I'm looking forward to see The Sand Snakes actually, y'know... speak, and get character development. I won't judge them until I actually see them do shit other then swear revenge for Oberyn.
King's Landing was very good as well. Cersei is such an evil bitch. And QUEEN OF THORNS! I fucking loved her conversation with Cersei. I'm rooting for House Tyrell to come out on top at the end. And Tommen... ugh. I thought he'd be a good king, but, he is a coward.
Sansa...
Oh God. I got so angry at Ramsey in this scene. I... I... I was so pissed. My hatred for House Bolton grows larger everyday.
We've watched Sansa grow up on our screens. I still remember when she was just a young girl in Season 1. And to see her lose her 'maidenhood' to a psychotic pig like Ramsey was... ugh. I felt sick. It was still a brilliant scene. All actors were amazing, especially Alfie/Theon/Reek.
I'm hoping Sansa or Theon get a chance for payback. I wouldn't mind watching Ramsey get flayed alive in Episode 10.
Overall; it was a great episode. It was up to GoT standard, IMHO. There could've been improvements, but, I thoroughly enjoyed it. I laughed, I gasped, and I felt sick to my stomach. That's how a television show should make me feel!
I can't wait for the next episodes. Because I know that they're going to be full of twists and turns!
Ramsay and fArya's wedding was actually seen through Theon's POV, though many northern lords are missing in the show it was pretty good scene nonetheless...it was actually nicer, like a private wedding just for family lol
Also poor Bronn, I do hope that little scratch is not poisoned and as such results in another character being killed for little reason but i… moret probably is.
I'm thinking it is poisoned and Jaime will end up being on his own. That, or Bronn will be too incapacitated to do anything. I doubt Doran will just let Bronn die.
Look I understand that we shouldn't judge so harshly over 2.5 minutes of screen time we had in Dorne but for the few scenes we had it was bad and I mean like awful bad. Not just speaking about the really really really bad fighting scene(yelling in a very awkward accent your name and the fact that you are Oberyn's daughter to the family's captain of guards for the past 25~ years makes total sense right? the Emmy is waiting for that writing) so you can understand why it's so hard to give a show like GOT a pass on these stuff.
The Dornish scenes were cartoonish as they can get and overall the writing for the past 6 episodes was really bad compared to the past 4 seasons and for the first time since season 1 it's almost feels like it's a chore to watch the episodes just to get to the endgame(honestly the waiting for the next season of Workaholics is even harder than to wait for the next episode of GOT). I'm not sure why but I don't think that it's a coincidence that the weakest season so far is also the first season without GRRM and the one that takes the greatest liberties from the source materiel(watch season 1 again and you'll know what I'm talking about).
By the way, I guess Jaime and Bronn could have used the help of Ser Arys there...you know, the guy that was sent with Myrcella to Dorne
I really, really, really enjoyed this episode. It had me feelin' all kinds of emotions.
Arya's segments were pretty good. I am really int… moreerested to see where it goes, especially with Meryn and Mace arriving in Braavos very, very, very soon. There was a very gloomy, mysterious atmosphere about Arya's scenes which I really liked.
Jorah and Tyrion are life. I love their scenes so much, because they've just got great banter together. I have to give my props to Iain Glen; you could see so much raw emotion in his face when Tyrion told him about The Old Bear's death. I liked their scenes, and, I'm really looking forward to seeing Jorah whip some ass in the fighting pits.
I'll be honest; I honestly don't know why people dislike Dorne. I've seen people be like...
"EW- THE SAND SNAKES ARE SUCH HORRIBLEH ACTRESSES!"
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but, I just can't understand how people can be so judgmental after TWO scenes. Sure, … [view original content]
I really, really, really enjoyed this episode. It had me feelin' all kinds of emotions.
Arya's segments were pretty good. I am really int… moreerested to see where it goes, especially with Meryn and Mace arriving in Braavos very, very, very soon. There was a very gloomy, mysterious atmosphere about Arya's scenes which I really liked.
Jorah and Tyrion are life. I love their scenes so much, because they've just got great banter together. I have to give my props to Iain Glen; you could see so much raw emotion in his face when Tyrion told him about The Old Bear's death. I liked their scenes, and, I'm really looking forward to seeing Jorah whip some ass in the fighting pits.
I'll be honest; I honestly don't know why people dislike Dorne. I've seen people be like...
"EW- THE SAND SNAKES ARE SUCH HORRIBLEH ACTRESSES!"
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but, I just can't understand how people can be so judgmental after TWO scenes. Sure, … [view original content]
Im sure she knew he wasnt an okay guy but i dont think she expected that he would make Theon watch while he brutalized her. She does have a plan, im sure of it, to be willing to endure a wedding night with Ramsay.
After all the unpleasant encounters she had so far, did she really think Ramsay - son of Roose Bolton - would be an okay guy? The name alone… more should have been warning enough.
And everything in the dinner scene. Ramsay enjoyed mocking her and Theon in a sadistic way. He insisted on Theon taking part in the wedding ceremony while he knew the history they have with each other and that Sansa despises him. Also Theon's mental disorder. He - a Lord's son - sleeps in the kennels and serves as a butler to a bastard. Something terrible must have happened to him, and when she asked Ramsay about it he jokingly evaded the question. Can it be more obvious? Sansa must have good sensors for psychopaths by now.
I don't think it was too late to try to get out of Winterfell at this point of time (or light a candle) or trying to delay the marriage. But she doesn't want to leave again. Well, that's my take on it. Let's see which direction they go with her. It could turn out really great or really unsatisfactory.
We dont know the context of this picture, and after what she went through, shes entitled to look upset. That doesnt mean she wont do anything to help herself now that she knows the danger shes in.
Not very empowering to me.
And Sophie Turner who portrays her, said herself that she was shocked when she read the script because at the end of season 4 it looked like Sansa would become a player and that it wasn't the case.
"You've known Sansa since she was a girl. Now watch her become a woman." That line gets me so hard almost as hard as Ramsay... ehh too dark … morelol. But I never thought sweet lady Sansa would be de- virginized by anyone much less Ramsay. To Ramsay and Sansa Bolton
I'm a gamer it's kinda my thing
The truth is Sansa has always been used and manipulated starting with Cercei. How she survives is she does what she is told and puts on a mask of civility and compliance. She doesnt have a whole lot of choices and i dont believe she can just command The Vale the way you say, to what, go to war and force the Boltons out? She married Ramsay because she believes, i think, that its the best way to get what she wants, which is her home back, and she believed that Littlefinger was going to help her make that happen. Then she could work from there to undermine the Boltons. I think she just had no idea what she was really getting into with him, especially since Baelish abandoned her and left her alone without any solid plan. Someone said that she is still playing the game and i believe thats true, shes just doing it in the only way she knows how, using what currency she has. A few talks with Littlefinger does not make her a master manipulator on his level.
On a story writing standpoint, Sansa has no story in the books after she leaves the Vale, so they gave her this one. It might not make sense to you but i feel like it was a good way to adapt a storyline with a character the fans dont know or care about, with one that they do, and to have a lot of the characters that have been apart start to come together. Lets not judge and say its bad writing until we see how it all come together.
Again, she allowed herself to be manipulated. In what way does it make sense for Sansa to marry the Boltons who murdered her family, all it … moredoes is give the Boltons more power. Throughout the end of S4 and the beginning of S5 we saw her rationally deduce LF's motives and become more analytic in general.
Yet the writers would have you convince that all it took for Sansa to make a total irrational move was a cheesy LF speech. Like literally there is no logic or planning behind it at all. All we get is LF "Make ramsey yours..." what exactly can she do? She's surrounded by people who murdered her family and flay their enemies alive.
And the soldier of the Vale serve Sansa first and foremost, they don't trust Petyr, she could have assumed control of that situation.
It's bad writing and goes against everything they built up with Sansa's character and the only reason it was done is because they needed a POV in Winterfell because Ramsay simply torturing Theon is overdone by now.
I can see what you mean. In the books, Sansa's in her head for a majority of her time, and many of her responses are the survival "yes my lord/grace/etc." that she was taught. Maybe the show has had some trouble translating her character from book to screen for that reason.
Sansa is probably the least interesting character in the show to me, her only significance is her name.
She doesn't seem strong, intelligent or anything to be honest and she serves no purpose other then to be a pawn in everyone else's plans.
A few things about this ep:
It pleased me greatly to see Ellaria and her backup dancers' plot get foiled in about twenty seconds. Trystan… moree Martell looks like a member of One Direction. And I think Bronn will be fine (don't hold me to that though).
Tommen's a bit of a moon-faced moron, isn't he? Just sits there and lets the Spanish Inquisition drag his Queen off. At first I thought he was just naive but it looks like he's a coward instead,
During the Winterfell scenes I was just like; "D&D couldn't have just put Sansa into this plotline so that she could get rapOhhhh wait nvm." I kinda knew it was coming, seems obvious the whole "Sansa is suddenly a strong independent woman now and you can tell cos her hair is black lol" routine would come to nothing when she was put up against Ramsey.
Also I guess Tyrion is alive because cock merchant. Alrighty, then.
The show is definitely wobbling in some places this season, and I'm not entirely sure who's to blame for that. It's definitely the weakest so far.
It's quite simple, he wants the Iron Throne. Hence his line "chaos is not a pit, chaos is a ladder". He is the regent Lord Paramount of the Vale, and Lord Paramount of the Riverlands. He most certainly will want to marry Sansa after the Boltons die, which would make him Lord Paramount of the North. He already allied himself with the Tyrells.
It's quite simple, he wants the Iron Throne. Hence his line "chaos is not a pit, chaos is a ladder". He is the regent Lord Paramount of the … moreVale, and Lord Paramount of the Riverlands. He most certainly will want to marry Sansa after the Boltons die, which would make him Lord Paramount of the North. He already allied himself with the Tyrells.
I love Daryl, but I think the show would actually be better without him now. Because he's such a favourite, he's getting more screen time. So they couldn't give Tyreese his comic story arc, which ruined that character, now they're not giving Abraham his (it's almost there, but his still not Ricks 2ic) which means his arc will not be so impactful.
Instead we get things like the god awful Grady story to give him some character development.
Daryl is one of my favourites,mouth now Gimple seems to be the man for the job, I'd be glad to see him go we we get the story we deserve.
Same with Tyrion, I love the guy, but if it moves the story on. I'm happy for him to go.
Everybody talking about sansa and ramsay but did you all not see that fight in the water gardens that was some b-movie shit. Please look at … morethe choreography of that fight when you watch that episode again.
ps: dont forget that lame excuse for keeping tyrion safe because of a cock merchant... D&D please
"The actress also teased what fans can expect from her character in the coming episodes...and those who think Sansa will seek revenge on Ramsay Bolton (and his family), might get a bit disappointed with her response.
"He's [Ramsay] such a mentalist. He's such a mind-beep. There's no way of understanding his motives or his thinking. So this season it's also her trying to figure out his intentions and trying to please him," [Sophie] stated."
We dont know the context of this picture, and after what she went through, shes entitled to look upset. That doesnt mean she wont do anything to help herself now that she knows the danger shes in.
Everything you said is truth, but like I said before it doesn't make sense due to Sansa's new character development. That's why it looks forced. There is no rational, logical, sensible way that someone who just came of being tortured by Joffrey, believes the best course of action is to head back to a similar situation. She might not have known Ramsey personally, but she knows very well that the Boltons murdered her family during a weeding and flay their enemies alive.
She knows the lords of the Vale respect her and want to protect her, she could have easily gone back to the Vale where she would be safe. The lords of the Vale distrust Petyr and clearly want to protect Sansa which is shown towards the end of S4. I'm not saying they would wage war because of her, but they would definitely look out for her.
And like I said she had many different options (Umbers, Reeds, etc.) Sorry, but Winterfell looks forced, even though like you said I can kinda understand because her story line because relatively flat in the books when she's at the Vale.
The truth is Sansa has always been used and manipulated starting with Cercei. How she survives is she does what she is told and puts on a ma… moresk of civility and compliance. She doesnt have a whole lot of choices and i dont believe she can just command The Vale the way you say, to what, go to war and force the Boltons out? She married Ramsay because she believes, i think, that its the best way to get what she wants, which is her home back, and she believed that Littlefinger was going to help her make that happen. Then she could work from there to undermine the Boltons. I think she just had no idea what she was really getting into with him, especially since Baelish abandoned her and left her alone without any solid plan. Someone said that she is still playing the game and i believe thats true, shes just doing it in the only way she knows how, using what currency she has. A few talks with Littlefinger does not make her a master manipulator on his… [view original content]
Im not disappointed. Ive always thought that Ramsay is not the man to reason with. Shell need time to figure out how to deal with him. Im still rooting for her, even more so now. The Boltons will get theres, that Im sure of.
"The actress also teased what fans can expect from her character in the coming episodes...and those who think Sansa will seek revenge on Ram… moresay Bolton (and his family), might get a bit disappointed with her response.
"He's [Ramsay] such a mentalist. He's such a mind-beep. There's no way of understanding his motives or his thinking. So this season it's also her trying to figure out his intentions and trying to please him," [Sophie] stated."
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I wouldnt say nobody batted an eye at either of those things.
I dont think Sansa knew anything about Ramsay. Why would she? Until recently, he was just Roose Bolton's bastard. By the time she realized what kind of monster he was, it was too late.
I thought Cercei looked ridiculous trying to imitate Tywin.
Im enjoying the season so far. It may not have a half dozen events like last season but i wasnt expecting it to based on where we are in the books.
After all the unpleasant encounters she had so far, did she really think Ramsay - son of Roose Bolton - would be an okay guy? The name alone should have been warning enough.
And everything in the dinner scene. Ramsay enjoyed mocking her and Theon in a sadistic way. He insisted on Theon taking part in the wedding ceremony while he knew the history they have with each other and that Sansa despises him. Also Theon's mental disorder. He - a Lord's son - sleeps in the kennels and serves as a butler to a bastard. Something terrible must have happened to him, and when she asked Ramsay about it he jokingly evaded the question. Can it be more obvious? Sansa must have good sensors for psychopaths by now.
I don't think it was too late to try to get out of Winterfell at this point of time (or light a candle) or trying to delay the marriage. But she doesn't want to leave again. Well, that's my take on it. Let's see which direction they go with her. It could turn out really great or really unsatisfactory.
Not very empowering to me.
And Sophie Turner who portrays her, said herself that she was shocked when she read the script because at the end of season 4 it looked like Sansa would become a player and that it wasn't the case.
Again, she allowed herself to be manipulated. In what way does it make sense for Sansa to marry the Boltons who murdered her family, all it does is give the Boltons more power. Throughout the end of S4 and the beginning of S5 we saw her rationally deduce LF's motives and become more analytic in general.
Yet the writers would have you convince that all it took for Sansa to make a total irrational move was a cheesy LF speech. Like literally there is no logic or planning behind it at all. All we get is LF "Make ramsey yours..." what exactly can she do? She's surrounded by people who murdered her family and flay their enemies alive.
And the soldier of the Vale serve Sansa first and foremost, they don't trust Petyr, she could have assumed control of that situation.
It's bad writing and goes against everything they built up with Sansa's character and the only reason it was done is because they needed a POV in Winterfell because Ramsay simply torturing Theon is overdone by now.
I really, really, really enjoyed this episode. It had me feelin' all kinds of emotions.
Arya's segments were pretty good. I am really interested to see where it goes, especially with Meryn and Mace arriving in Braavos very, very, very soon. There was a very gloomy, mysterious atmosphere about Arya's scenes which I really liked.
Jorah and Tyrion are life. I love their scenes so much, because they've just got great banter together. I have to give my props to Iain Glen; you could see so much raw emotion in his face when Tyrion told him about The Old Bear's death. I liked their scenes, and, I'm really looking forward to seeing Jorah whip some ass in the fighting pits.
I'll be honest; I honestly don't know why people dislike Dorne. I've seen people be like...
"EW- THE SAND SNAKES ARE SUCH HORRIBLEH ACTRESSES!"
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but, I just can't understand how people can be so judgmental after TWO scenes. Sure, the accents aren't the best- but, we have yet to see these actresses in an emotionally powerful scene... hell... we haven't even heard Nymeria and Tyene speak a fucking paragraph.
I enjoyed the Dorne scenes. The fight wasn't the best, far from it. And I look forward to more Dorne scenes. And I'm looking forward to see The Sand Snakes actually, y'know... speak, and get character development. I won't judge them until I actually see them do shit other then swear revenge for Oberyn.
King's Landing was very good as well. Cersei is such an evil bitch. And QUEEN OF THORNS! I fucking loved her conversation with Cersei. I'm rooting for House Tyrell to come out on top at the end. And Tommen... ugh. I thought he'd be a good king, but, he is a coward.
Sansa...
Oh God. I got so angry at Ramsey in this scene. I... I... I was so pissed. My hatred for House Bolton grows larger everyday.
We've watched Sansa grow up on our screens. I still remember when she was just a young girl in Season 1. And to see her lose her 'maidenhood' to a psychotic pig like Ramsey was... ugh. I felt sick. It was still a brilliant scene. All actors were amazing, especially Alfie/Theon/Reek.
I'm hoping Sansa or Theon get a chance for payback. I wouldn't mind watching Ramsey get flayed alive in Episode 10.
Overall; it was a great episode. It was up to GoT standard, IMHO. There could've been improvements, but, I thoroughly enjoyed it. I laughed, I gasped, and I felt sick to my stomach. That's how a television show should make me feel!
I can't wait for the next episodes. Because I know that they're going to be full of twists and turns!
BRING IT ON!
Littlefinger's logic just doesn't make sense at all.
(?) Margaery will remember that.
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Ramsay and fArya's wedding was actually seen through Theon's POV, though many northern lords are missing in the show it was pretty good scene nonetheless...it was actually nicer, like a private wedding just for family lol
I know Jerome who plays Bronn. He's a friend of a friend, great bloke.
He's not. Trust me.
Look I understand that we shouldn't judge so harshly over 2.5 minutes of screen time we had in Dorne but for the few scenes we had it was bad and I mean like awful bad. Not just speaking about the really really really bad fighting scene(yelling in a very awkward accent your name and the fact that you are Oberyn's daughter to the family's captain of guards for the past 25~ years makes total sense right? the Emmy is waiting for that writing) so you can understand why it's so hard to give a show like GOT a pass on these stuff.
The Dornish scenes were cartoonish as they can get and overall the writing for the past 6 episodes was really bad compared to the past 4 seasons and for the first time since season 1 it's almost feels like it's a chore to watch the episodes just to get to the endgame(honestly the waiting for the next season of Workaholics is even harder than to wait for the next episode of GOT). I'm not sure why but I don't think that it's a coincidence that the weakest season so far is also the first season without GRRM and the one that takes the greatest liberties from the source materiel(watch season 1 again and you'll know what I'm talking about).
By the way, I guess Jaime and Bronn could have used the help of Ser Arys there...you know, the guy that was sent with Myrcella to Dorne
Hahaha this is perfect X)
Now Margaery hates Tommen even more now.
I Agree i dont know what hes up to, but he admitted that he loves to sow chaos more than anything.
Its nice to see someone who liked the episode, as i did. Most people act like it killed Christmas.
Im sure she knew he wasnt an okay guy but i dont think she expected that he would make Theon watch while he brutalized her. She does have a plan, im sure of it, to be willing to endure a wedding night with Ramsay.
We dont know the context of this picture, and after what she went through, shes entitled to look upset. That doesnt mean she wont do anything to help herself now that she knows the danger shes in.
Thats what she gets for marrying an infant.
Yep, looks like the show's having her go through Jeyne Poole's storyline pretty much word for word if that's the case.
Same. The Night's Watch has always been my favorite story in the books and show from day 1.
First time I've seen someone banned on this forum and I wasn't curious why.
The truth is Sansa has always been used and manipulated starting with Cercei. How she survives is she does what she is told and puts on a mask of civility and compliance. She doesnt have a whole lot of choices and i dont believe she can just command The Vale the way you say, to what, go to war and force the Boltons out? She married Ramsay because she believes, i think, that its the best way to get what she wants, which is her home back, and she believed that Littlefinger was going to help her make that happen. Then she could work from there to undermine the Boltons. I think she just had no idea what she was really getting into with him, especially since Baelish abandoned her and left her alone without any solid plan. Someone said that she is still playing the game and i believe thats true, shes just doing it in the only way she knows how, using what currency she has. A few talks with Littlefinger does not make her a master manipulator on his level.
On a story writing standpoint, Sansa has no story in the books after she leaves the Vale, so they gave her this one. It might not make sense to you but i feel like it was a good way to adapt a storyline with a character the fans dont know or care about, with one that they do, and to have a lot of the characters that have been apart start to come together. Lets not judge and say its bad writing until we see how it all come together.
I can see what you mean. In the books, Sansa's in her head for a majority of her time, and many of her responses are the survival "yes my lord/grace/etc." that she was taught. Maybe the show has had some trouble translating her character from book to screen for that reason.
You mean Jorah? Jorah's the one with the beginnings of grayscale. Tyrion hasn't been shown as infected.
EDIT: Nevermind, it's late, didn't realize you meant Bronn.
Not exactly. Theon only watched.
Here's a thumbs up just for the "Ellaria and her backup dancers" comment.
It's quite simple, he wants the Iron Throne. Hence his line "chaos is not a pit, chaos is a ladder". He is the regent Lord Paramount of the Vale, and Lord Paramount of the Riverlands. He most certainly will want to marry Sansa after the Boltons die, which would make him Lord Paramount of the North. He already allied himself with the Tyrells.
He wants power but i dont think he wants the throne and Sansa would never marry him especially now.
I love Daryl, but I think the show would actually be better without him now. Because he's such a favourite, he's getting more screen time. So they couldn't give Tyreese his comic story arc, which ruined that character, now they're not giving Abraham his (it's almost there, but his still not Ricks 2ic) which means his arc will not be so impactful.
Instead we get things like the god awful Grady story to give him some character development.
Daryl is one of my favourites,mouth now Gimple seems to be the man for the job, I'd be glad to see him go we we get the story we deserve.
Same with Tyrion, I love the guy, but if it moves the story on. I'm happy for him to go.
I'm probably being thick...but I don't see what's here...
"The actress also teased what fans can expect from her character in the coming episodes...and those who think Sansa will seek revenge on Ramsay Bolton (and his family), might get a bit disappointed with her response.
"He's [Ramsay] such a mentalist. He's such a mind-beep. There's no way of understanding his motives or his thinking. So this season it's also her trying to figure out his intentions and trying to please him," [Sophie] stated."
Everything you said is truth, but like I said before it doesn't make sense due to Sansa's new character development. That's why it looks forced. There is no rational, logical, sensible way that someone who just came of being tortured by Joffrey, believes the best course of action is to head back to a similar situation. She might not have known Ramsey personally, but she knows very well that the Boltons murdered her family during a weeding and flay their enemies alive.
She knows the lords of the Vale respect her and want to protect her, she could have easily gone back to the Vale where she would be safe. The lords of the Vale distrust Petyr and clearly want to protect Sansa which is shown towards the end of S4. I'm not saying they would wage war because of her, but they would definitely look out for her.
And like I said she had many different options (Umbers, Reeds, etc.) Sorry, but Winterfell looks forced, even though like you said I can kinda understand because her story line because relatively flat in the books when she's at the Vale.
Im not disappointed. Ive always thought that Ramsay is not the man to reason with. Shell need time to figure out how to deal with him. Im still rooting for her, even more so now. The Boltons will get theres, that Im sure of.
Silence is a valid option they said...