it's kinda funny and sad how....
Luke has known Sarah for much more longer than Clem, yet he clearly showed he cared more for Clem! Why is that? I mean I know Clem is a good helper (obviously), but he should be more attracted to her (not in that kind of way) more to Sarah. When she died, he barely budged. Btw I loved the brotherly relationship Luke and Clem had anyways
EDIT: If you leave Sarah in the trailer park to die, all Luke says is "we didnt have a choice, theres just nothing we can do. Nothing we can do." And moves on. Instead of screaming at her and telling her to shut up (which I would of done as well) he could of quietly talked to her like Clem did if he really cared.
What if Clementine was in her place?
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Hardly anyone budged when Sarah died. TellTale handled her character horribly.
This is why I hated Luke. I was blaming him for everything before episode 5.
Ikr. I still can't believe why Telltale took the story from the guy who NEVER worked with them.
Why would you blame Luke?
Because he had sex with Jane rather than doing his job, causing Sarah to die. He didn't even care for her afterwards, he was just happy about the baby.
Oooohhhhh, I thought you was blaming Luke for everything in season 2 lol, And I do agree with you that BOTH LUKE AND JANE FUCKED UP!
Maybe they wanted us to hate her and they did it on purpose so her death could be easier for them
He ALMOST had sex. Thank god when Clementine got there.
How did he cause Sarah to die?
I mean seriously... she was the one standing on the deck doing NOTHING and just waiting to die when it all fell down. I mean come on, why was she even out there? It is not Luke's fault. Yeah, he should have watched out for the walkers but that did not cause Sarah to die.
That doesn't cause Sarah's death. The group collapsing the platform with the cannon causes Sarah's death.
I tend to think Luke was not on good terms with most of the Cabin Group. Especially Carlos, he didn't seem to like him or what he thought.
"Yeah, well, when's the last time you liked anything, Carlos?"
I just got a bad vibe from the two. Which means if Carlos and Luke weren't all that friendly towards each other Luke wouldn't be that close to Sarah as Carlos was protective, maybe he didn't allow Luke to talk to Sarah.
I think Luke saw Clem as a fresh start, someone who didn't know his past and didn't know much about him. She didn't truly know what he was like and he seized that opportunity to become close to a little girl, younger than Sarah but was more capable. We know Luke admired Clem for being so strong and for having guts and maybe that's why he latched onto Clem more than he was attached to Sarah. We know how he treated Nick when he was depressed so maybe Luke likes to be close to the strong people, the people who he knows will look out for him while he looks out for them.
I think Luke did care for Sarah because of the way he reacted when she died (her first death not her second. Her first death is better so I will just go off that since no one really reacted to her second so it isn't really valid to the discussion although you could argue that Luke along with everyone else didn't care because they didn't react to her second death but it could also be because they were dealing with walkers). Anyway, if you left Sarah he goes on about how as soon as they said go he was the first one on the roof as if he already made up his mind. He then questions there was just nothing they could do, which was repetition from after it had just happened. He also questions how Clem left her and it is clear he feels guilty. Which shows he did care for Sarah.
However he does care for Clem more, that much is clear. I always go off when the whole group was there everyone had a pair but Luke didn't. Pete and Nick, Carlos and Sarah, Alvin and Rebecca. Luke didn't have a pair. All these pairs were related as well so it's possible Luke wanted this 'pair' and so became close to Clem and so became her brotherly figure.
It only seems like Luke cared more about Clem b/c there's barely any interaction time with Sarah
I mean, when Sarah runs off into the woods after Carlos gets eaten it is Luke that takes it upon himself to go after Sarah...that shows that he cared about her a whole lot, actually
If Luke and Jane didn't f*ck up, the group would have reached the deck before more walkers were coming
Yeah, but later decides to leave her. I would have been confused how Luke would have helped Clementine if she was like Sarah.
Yeah Luke definitely did seem to care about Clementine more than Sarah. On another note, I thought that Lee seemed to care as much about Duck as he did about Clementine. (depending on the player)
I'm pretty sure they had already done it and were finished when Clem got there.
Not sad, just funny ;3
later decides to leave her when a horde is about to make their way into the bedroom of the trailer...in that moment his 'fight or flight' response kicked in and the 'flight' aspect won that mental argument....and he decided to leave her after trying FOR HOURS to get her to come with him, to no avail...so he didn't just decide to leave Sarah behind on a whim....he decided to up and leave her when there was mere minutes to escape or be eaten alive
Edit: and when it comes to Luke knowing Sarah for a longer amount of time...seniority does not get top priority in the apocalypse...if anything Luke was simply tolerating Sarah the way any decent person would tolerate and look out for the child of a friend of theirs....I don't think Luke saw Sarah as a little sister, but just as a teenager he must tolerate b/c she's part of the group
Gosh...
No
Really? They barely gave Lee time to talk to him except for when he helped at the motel
Well yeah he was gonna chase after her. I didn't say he didn't care for her at all I just said one slightly more
Don't forget Nick, his supposed good friend who Luke can either ignore entirely until the final episode after his death or mourn for him for about two seconds in episode 4. An argument can be made for Luke not being very close to anybody else in the cabin group, but Nick is clearly a different issue. Some say Luke just bottles up his emotions and that's how he deals with it. I say he's a boring block of wood who had potential, but it was never realized.
But hey, at least Luke acknowledges Sarah and Nick a bit (and as someone else said, he did go running after Sarah through the herd), unlike Kenny and Sarita who post-episode 2 completely forgot that Matthew was a human being who existed at one point. Not even a token mention of the dude they'd known for a good while and was an "amazing person" according to Sarita.
Here's hoping Telltale gets some better writers and handles Season 3 perfectly and it becomes even better than Season 1!
and I'm saying that it only seems like Luke cared more about Clem b/c there are no real opportunities for either Luke or Clem to interact with Sarah...Carlos has to keep her sheltered or she'll go catatonic...so Sarah is someone Luke probably saw as a helpless kid, not really someone he'd want to have a conversation with...but that doesn't mean that he cared about Clem more...Clem was just more a developed human being who proved to be as useful as anyone else (except for Sarah)
Luke didn't care about Sarah less, he could just relate with Clementine more
Luke even reacted when he heard that Jane left, MORE than Nick and Sarah's demises.
Will Sean Vannam ever work again as a writer?
Looking back at how the entire season played out, it appeared to me that the writers seem to not grasp at how human behaviour works with character relationship and compassion. Luke is a glaring example of how a character fails to relate to another in a convincing way. A friend of twenty years dies in two scenarios, and he either never acknowledges it or is saddened by the event by a couple of seconds and never brings it up again.
This wouldn't be a problem if the character is meant to be unconcerned about others and doesn't attach oneself to others emotionally (like Jane, initially). In this case however, Luke is consistently portrayed as protective, friendly, and compassionate, hence his behaviour in EP4 seems very out of character.
He hugs his broken-up friend Nick who grieves over the death of his uncle, and tries to protect him from getting killed by Walter after accidentally killing his partner Matthew. His lacklustre reaction in EP4 seems to paint him in a different light, with his friendship with Nick actually appearing as being one-sided with Nick glorifying his relationship with Luke, and with Luke playing along for Nick's sake. This would have made his underwhelming reaction to Nick's death make a lot more sense, if it weren't for the fact that it contradicts his earlier characterisation and there's no payoff to this interesting idea. Also, if Luke was supposed to bottle up his emotions as part of his character, then why wasn't there a moment where Luke is by himself and he breaks down as soon as he thinks he's alone? Without any hint of Luke's grief over Nick's death, we're lead to believe that he doesn't really care all that much about Nick the entire time he's been his friend for twenty years.
Then there's the entire group's lack of concern over Sarah after he father's brutal death also portrays them in a negative, and disturbing light. Should Sarah die by the conservatory, no one seems to care or even notice other than Luke for more than one second. A little girl dies in a horrific manner and no-one bats an eye, especially when absolutely no-one mentions how they've just lost a doctor to a group of walkers. Did this mean that the group didn't care about each other after all and were out for themselves the entire time? Was Sarah only tolerated because of her father and his proficiency with medicine and first aid, and one he was out of the picture they wasted no time on getting rid of her? If Clementine wasn't as hyper-competent as she was portrayed in later episodes, would everyone have outright abandoned her to her death too? Of course, Luke went through the effort to save Sarah the first time, but that seems to have vanished as soon as Jane came into the picture to the point that he cares about having sex with her rather than protect a member of his own group from the walkers.
The group's relationship with each other appears incredibly inconsistent, and this would have been fixed if the writers have bothered to either allow the characters to show concern for each other, or have them outright state that they don't give a damn about anyone but themselves. Instead the writers make their character either ignore or be depressed over their friend's deaths for a few seconds, and then carry on with whatever they were doing.
The writers don't seem to realise that this lack of a credible character relationship in the second half of the season ended up harming the quality of their work and made their story appear inconsistent and made their characters unintentionally unlikable, especially when the story is meant to be focused on human relationships, life and death, ideals and morals, and pragmatism vs. humanity. Had the writers acknowledged and tried to properly justify the character's inconsistent behaviour and motivations throughout episodes, the season would have not be as disappointing as it have been to most players.
After all, if the writers can't make an effort to make their characters care about each other...why should the audience care about these characters?
Sean has his own game studio now with Jake Rodkin (called Campo Santo), they're currently working on a game called Firewatch which looks really interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXWlgP5hZzc
When is it coming out?
No release date yet. It's tentatively set for this year though that could change.
yeah, cuz that was gonna be his future wifey....a guy's going to care more about his gf than his buddies
maybe the type of relationship b/t Nick and Luke was really one-sided...ya now...like how in the movie Jennifer's Body, you have Needy and Jennifer who are best friends, but Jennifer is never really a good friend to Needy...that's possibly how Nick and Luke's relationship was....Nick was Luke's side-kick
If she is pregnant, I would like to see either Jane or her baby die or see Jane witness her baby's death.