No, they're just better reasons. The Forresters are weak. You want to be underestimated in these circumstances. Pretending to be strong will only make them come at you with more force. Royland being a prideful warmonger makes him a piss poor strategist.
Looking weak doesn't make you weak. You want them to think they can just roll over you. If they think you'll put up a fight they'll be more prepared. Ludd doesn't need the Forresters. Asher and Rodrik would both have been killed at the port. They aren't personally cultivating the ironwood. I only said Duncan's reasons are better, not that Royland's are stupid. I see now that you're less worried about reason and would rather defend a character you like.
The scariest part about all of this is that Duncan, Royland, Asher, and Rodrik are all now determinant. Does this confirm that they all are going to die next episode, or does it just confirm that we'll never see them again after this season?
In general yes but I'm pretty sure a family member (Duncan is pretty much family, Talia says herself) telling you that they wish you were dead is more hurting emotionally than being called a coward.
The scariest part about all of this is that Duncan, Royland, Asher, and Rodrik are all now determinant. Does this confirm that they all are going to die next episode, or does it just confirm that we'll never see them again after this season?
I disagree, because we have no real proof that any of those characters will be returning, to my knowledge. So while it may point in that direction, it doesn't do anything for confirmation. Unless you have information I haven't seen, in which case show me it.
Duncan was making decisions behind your back before you had to pick a sentinel; main reason I picked Royland. So I agree Duncan is a prick, knew it when he first undermined Ethan's authority.
I never really understood Duncan’s reasoning behind wishing that Rodrik had “never crawled off that corpse cart”. Really? You think Asher’s going to any less brash or defiant when he becomes lord? He was sent away in the first place for being a troublemaker.
I agree. And what's the point of giving the information to Whitehills? I believe Duncan is more responsible for Arthur's death than Rodrik.
Duncan's reasoning remains unclear to me.
I never really understood Duncan’s reasoning behind wishing that Rodrik had “never crawled off that corpse cart”. Really? You think Asher’s … moregoing to any less brash or defiant when he becomes lord? He was sent away in the first place for being a troublemaker.
You do realize that mean losing his only family to bunch a f&$@ers that murdered his family in the first place. Yeah he may have cost Ethan life, but it was his nephew, someone he saw as a son. He knew sending him to the wall will at least keep Gared safe and justice would be served. What would you do if someone was trying to kill your nephew who you view as your son?
Yeah Duncan crossed the line. Royland being a asshole is what I expected, but it felt like Duncan just exploded at me which shocked me. Also… more I like how he bad mouths Ethan, yet Ethan's death is completely Duncan's fault. If Duncan hadn't smuggled Gared out and went behind Ethan's back then Ludd could've had his justice and Ramsay wouldn't have showed. Fucking Duncan...
I my game the traitor was Royland and he said that I'm weak and that he will swear to Asher. That means he wants Asher to be lord, then why the fok did he let Gryff leave when the Whitehills wanted to kill Asher ? He could've let the trade go on, Rodrik died and Asher would've lived
Playing dead was pretty dickish and untrue. He wasnt playing dead, he was almost dead. They both suck. When we get out of this, I hope we abolish sentinels altogether.
He says "You've been making foolish decisions too, since the day you crawled off that corpse cart".
Then he goes about how his father wou… moreld be ashamed, how Rodrick is a cripple and survived the Red wedding by playing dead and is basically a coward while Asher would have the balls necessary to save the family.
(From a waltkthrough I watched on youtube. In my game the traitor was Duncan)
As in he felt House Forrester would be better off if Rodrik wasn't Lord and the only way that would happen is if Rodrik didn't survive the Red wedding.
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Royland was my Sentinel and Duncan was the traitor. It does kind of read weird since I didn't say that.
I executed him too and it felt good
Team Duncan!
I hated it too when he said, "You're not a leader, you're a wounded soilder trying to prove hes still a man." F*ck you Duncan!
No, they're just better reasons. The Forresters are weak. You want to be underestimated in these circumstances. Pretending to be strong will only make them come at you with more force. Royland being a prideful warmonger makes him a piss poor strategist.
Ludd's face = @goinoutwithabang 's face
Looking weak doesn't make you weak. You want them to think they can just roll over you. If they think you'll put up a fight they'll be more prepared. Ludd doesn't need the Forresters. Asher and Rodrik would both have been killed at the port. They aren't personally cultivating the ironwood. I only said Duncan's reasons are better, not that Royland's are stupid. I see now that you're less worried about reason and would rather defend a character you like.
True. Though I do wonder now what the speech is like if you always agreed with the traitor.
You sure about that?
The scariest part about all of this is that Duncan, Royland, Asher, and Rodrik are all now determinant. Does this confirm that they all are going to die next episode, or does it just confirm that we'll never see them again after this season?
I'm pretty sure everything after the treason was a minor footnote.
More like "Forgive me but it would have allowed for a better situation if you never got back here."
I think the finale of TWD Season 2 confirmed that determinant doesn't always mean certain death.
I disagree, because we have no real proof that any of those characters will be returning, to my knowledge. So while it may point in that direction, it doesn't do anything for confirmation. Unless you have information I haven't seen, in which case show me it.
that's right!
Is there a proof that they was supposed to be the traitor from the beginning ? 'cause I saw many people saying that maester was the chosen one
I never really understood Duncan’s reasoning behind wishing that Rodrik had “never crawled off that corpse cart”. Really? You think Asher’s going to any less brash or defiant when he becomes lord? He was sent away in the first place for being a troublemaker.
I agree. And what's the point of giving the information to Whitehills? I believe Duncan is more responsible for Arthur's death than Rodrik.
Duncan's reasoning remains unclear to me.
You do realize that mean losing his only family to bunch a f&$@ers that murdered his family in the first place. Yeah he may have cost Ethan life, but it was his nephew, someone he saw as a son. He knew sending him to the wall will at least keep Gared safe and justice would be served. What would you do if someone was trying to kill your nephew who you view as your son?
I my game the traitor was Royland and he said that I'm weak and that he will swear to Asher. That means he wants Asher to be lord, then why the fok did he let Gryff leave when the Whitehills wanted to kill Asher ? He could've let the trade go on, Rodrik died and Asher would've lived
Yeah, that why I punched him. Duncan was such a disappointment.
Playing dead was pretty dickish and untrue. He wasnt playing dead, he was almost dead. They both suck. When we get out of this, I hope we abolish sentinels altogether.
Whomwould have been better, him? Is he trying to say he should be Lord?
Well whoever isn't named Sentinel has that whole outburst during Ethan's small council meeting. Rewatching it makes it obvious how angry they were.