Awww I don't know how to respond o.o
I sometimes tell my family that adult plays video games and they are like"yeah right", did anyone told you to get off the lawn ?
But yeah, seriously, I agree with you. This thread has been one facepalm after another for me. I was expecting it, though, as the atmosphere on this whole board has been really goddamn childish for a long time. If given the choice between seeing a bunch of harmless shipping threads and the idiotic spamming and thread-derailing I constantly see, I'll take the shipping any day.
What I find funny is the occasional "I liked Matthew and Walter, but Luke and Nick? No... just no..." It's like... seriously, why? It's one thing to say "I don't support it until something concrete comes along", or "I don't really see it". But just flat out reacting with disgust towards the notion of Luke and Nick? Honestly, it sounds like the old defense of "I can't be homophobic because I have gay friends!", which is almost always bullshit.
In this case, it's more like, "two characters that weren't important and died quickly were gay... meh, whatever, but DON'T DO THAT TO THE CHARACTERS I LIKE! THEY'RE NOT GAY, DAMN IT!"
I think some of the comments in this thread to be really immature, people are being really overdramatic, and talking about how over the top … moreit is to ship the two characters. I've yet to see anyone going crazy defending the Luke/Nick ship here, all I see is people basically trolling and spamming, all saying a variation of "NOPE, NOPE".
And also ew at comparing the Luke/Nick pairing to Clementine/Luke. You are comparing homosexuality to pedophilia, and in the process, actually being pretty homophobic.
If you don't like the idea of shipping, just ignore the thread and stop posting the same old reactions.
I thought this thread would be lighthearted, but all I see is a bunch of children who can't handle the idea of subtext between 2 characters.
You are getting there, heck some might say you have created a revolution! (I find it hilarious how you guys call shipping a slang word.It is just outrageous! I wonder what I will face when I see kids...I guess hanging around with oculous 3d virtual glasses)
There IS no fuss.Almost any idiot can shoot a gun.The thing is,HOW you shoot it and all.But Call Of Duty isn't the only game in the world,and it certainly isn't what makes you a gamer.Personally,i like CoD,played almost every game in the series,but that's not the only game i play.What else do you play?
A... Walking Dead AMV? Doesn't AMV stand for "Anime Music Video"?
Anyways, step aside; best ship coming through, choo choo.
I mean, at least people are finished talking about "riding Luke" and shit, right? Right?
Well, I've been playing games since 8 bit home computers. I don't play anything like as much now as I used to in my 20s when I was camped out in front of PC RPGs like Baldur's Gate and shooters like Counterstrike for weeks at a time. These days I play on an iPad but I know plenty of people my age who buy the latest consoles. I tend to use a lot of what spare time I have writing open source software and that's kind of displaced serious gaming as a hobby for me over the last 10 years.
Awww I don't know how to respond o.o
I sometimes tell my family that adult plays video games and they are like"yeah right", did anyone told you to get off the lawn ?
I think a lot of people are kinda blind to subtext, in a way.
In a previous thread, I think titled "Why were people referring to Walter and Matthew as friends?" a very large amount of comments were from people stating, "nah they are just really close friends", "just because they are close doesn't mean they are gay" and so on, and it even continued after staff confirmed that the 2 were lovers.
It's just been an unspoken rule for so long that every character is heterosexual until overtly stated otherwise, and a lot of people can't seem to handle the idea of a character they like being anything other than the heterosexual character they thought they were.
It's stupid. People think the subtext is too subtle, and so cling to the idea of the characters being straight, but if it was outright stated, people would think it came out of nowhere and was put in there for a political agenda.
Gaming has moved on, but not enough. I'm glad Telltale raised the issue at all, I love them for their portrayal of Walter and Matthew, and the hints at Luke/Nick are ambiguous enough, that they can have an awesome, popular character like Luke and not have to mention his sexuality at all.
Holy hell, someone with an ounce of maturity!
But yeah, seriously, I agree with you. This thread has been one facepalm after another for … moreme. I was expecting it, though, as the atmosphere on this whole board has been really goddamn childish for a long time. If given the choice between seeing a bunch of harmless shipping threads and the idiotic spamming and thread-derailing I constantly see, I'll take the shipping any day.
What I find funny is the occasional "I liked Matthew and Walter, but Luke and Nick? No... just no..." It's like... seriously, why? It's one thing to say "I don't support it until something concrete comes along", or "I don't really see it". But just flat out reacting with disgust towards the notion of Luke and Nick? Honestly, it sounds like the old defense of "I can't be homophobic because I have gay friends!", which is almost always bullshit.
In this case, it's more like, "two characters that weren't important and di… [view original content]
It's stupid. People think the subtext is too subtle, and so cling to the idea of the characters being straight, but if it was outright stated, people would think it came out of nowhere and was put in there for a political agenda.
What's so hilarious about that to me is that they say it was only done for "controversy" or to get a reaction... and indeed it gets one, from them. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. It gets morons all worked up... so it must have been done to get people all worked up and for no other reason.
From what I've been seeing, what you're talking about has been happening with the latest DLC for The Last Of Us. Ellie kisses a girl, and people are attempting to rationalize it with, "Oh, she's just young", "She's just experimenting", "It doesn't have to mean she likes girls" and so on on Youtube. A few TWD fans popped in as well to say "Well, they better not make Clementine gay too". Because apparently gayness kills a character or something. And as many people have pointed out, had she kissed a boy, not a word would be uttered to the contrary. Silly indeed.
I think a lot of people are kinda blind to subtext, in a way.
In a previous thread, I think titled "Why were people referring to Walter a… morend Matthew as friends?" a very large amount of comments were from people stating, "nah they are just really close friends", "just because they are close doesn't mean they are gay" and so on, and it even continued after staff confirmed that the 2 were lovers.
It's just been an unspoken rule for so long that every character is heterosexual until overtly stated otherwise, and a lot of people can't seem to handle the idea of a character they like being anything other than the heterosexual character they thought they were.
It's stupid. People think the subtext is too subtle, and so cling to the idea of the characters being straight, but if it was outright stated, people would think it came out of nowhere and was put in there for a political agenda.
Gaming has moved on, but not enough. I'm glad Telltal… [view original content]
WHAT DO YOU MEAN I CANT PLAY ANYTHING I LIKE BECAUSE -ahem.
Because mostly everything I like is for over 17 and my parents won't allow it any costs until I am that age.
There IS no fuss.Almost any idiot can shoot a gun.The thing is,HOW you shoot it and all.But Call Of Duty isn't the only game in the world,an… mored it certainly isn't what makes you a gamer.Personally,i like CoD,played almost every game in the series,but that's not the only game i play.What else do you play?
Ah yeah, I saw the discussions surrounding the Ellie debate.
If she had kissed a boy it would have been "sweet" and "young love". But because she kissed a girl she's "confused", "young", "doesn't know what she likes yet". Some were even blaming it on the setting. "it's post-apocalypse, everything is confusing!".
Some guys in real life think like that towards lesbians as well, how they simply haven't found the right guy yet, it's sickening.
Media often doesn't help with stuff like that either. You can't watch a horror film these days without seeing 2 straight girls making out, or their being a random lesbian sex scene for no reason.
But eh, i'm getting off-topic haha.
Anyway, I think Telltale is well aware of the Luke/Nick ship, it might even be intentional. There were hints of it in the first episode, but not enough to really back the pairing on, then comes the second episode where the majority of their interactions are either very friendly and touchy, or flirty "You gonna come tuck me into bed?". spoiler characters comment about the two of them being a match kinda settled it for me that Telltale was doing this intentionally. Whether that means they have plans for the 2 characters, or if they just wanted to set the ship sail, it's all good either way.
It's stupid. People think the subtext is too subtle, and so cling to the idea of the characters being straight, but if it was outright state… mored, people would think it came out of nowhere and was put in there for a political agenda.
What's so hilarious about that to me is that they say it was only done for "controversy" or to get a reaction... and indeed it gets one, from them. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. It gets morons all worked up... so it must have been done to get people all worked up and for no other reason.
From what I've been seeing, what you're talking about has been happening with the latest DLC for The Last Of Us. Ellie kisses a girl, and people are attempting to rationalize it with, "Oh, she's just young", "She's just experimenting", "It doesn't have to mean she likes girls" and so on on Youtube. A few TWD fans popped in as well to say "Well, they better not make Clementine gay too". Because apparently gayness kills a… [view original content]
Oh.That sucks.A lot.My parents don't really care about what i'm playing,as long as there aren't sex scenes that pass the number of...Hmm,maximum 3.And i agree with them,those scenes just make me uncomfortable.The games i play are mostly filled with gore,since i play a whole lotta shooters and horror and stuff,but they don't really mind.They said that what i play is fine with them,as long as i take responsibility and i'm sure about it.Like Amnesia,for example.They said they'll let me play as long as i can promise i won't have any nightmares...Truth is,i didn't,but i was always suspicious of going to the bathroom at night since finishing it...
But,yeah.Sometimes they ask me why i play what i play,and i say that i just like it.However,there are some games that pique their interest,and they even watch me while i play,'cause they like the story...Like Assassin's Creed,for example.Or The Walking Dead :P
WHAT DO YOU MEAN I CANT PLAY ANYTHING I LIKE BECAUSE -ahem.
Because mostly everything I like is for over 17 and my parents won't allow it any costs until I am that age.
Yay open source! may I know what kind and what is the name of it?(I learned programming from my highschool but the only thing I created was a simple guitar hero game in unity....that does not penalize players for pressing all buttons at the same time ha ha)
For myself I used to play mmorpg alot. Now, I do not have time to play at all..but I keep watching other people play video games in youtube. After seeing someone play walking dead season 2 I sneakily got and played the game from steam because It is soo awesome and I want to see everyone in the cabin's reaction to Clementine's puppy eyes, and I also want to try out other dialouges too!.
Ehh, getting back to the Subject of the thread...ehh well we already know that Nick got pissed off at "I know you were dead" guy's comment..and from wiki I heard Luke tells Clementine that he is expert at talking to girls that does not want to talk to him if Clementine chooses silence too many times at the table scene. Ergo, they are not attracted to each other. yeahhh....
Well, I've been playing games since 8 bit home computers. I don't play anything like as much now as I used to in my 20s when I was camped ou… moret in front of PC RPGs like Baldur's Gate and shooters like Counterstrike for weeks at a time. These days I play on an iPad but I know plenty of people my age who buy the latest consoles. I tend to use a lot of what spare time I have writing open source software and that's kind of displaced serious gaming as a hobby for me over the last 10 years.
I don't ship them. But I'm not much of a shipper anyways. Honestly, I don't think they are, but it's kind of weird to assume they are or aren't because then you're basically saying, "They don't look gay," "They don't sound gay," "They don't act gay" and vice versa. You don't have to be a certain way in order to be homosexual/heterosexual/(other)sexual, so really, both sides of the argument are kind of stupid, because yes, unless it's outright stated or shown that someone has romantic interest in the same or opposite sex, you really don't know.People's sexuality doesn't make them the person they are, and by saying things like, "they don't seem gay," or "They aren't straight until otherwise noted", you are saying people are defined by their sexuality, which is completely untrue.
Subtext is weird in the way that you can take it in any way you want to interpret it in a lot of cases, and I think that this is one of those scenarios where the viwer/player is supposed to decide for themselves what it means until otherwise stated. This form of subtext is very common. If you saw their interactions which each other as brotherly/friendly, okay. If you saw their interactions as romantic/sexual, okay. Subtext is pretty often meant for you to interpret.
I saw Luke and Nick's interactions as brotherly, and they have good reason to be extremely close without romantic undertones being added. However, I wouldn't be surprised or even really care if they did turn out to have romantic feelings for each other, or if one had feelings for the other (who says they both have to be gay/bi?)
One last note; this is how humans work- if you have a preference, you will have a bias. I think a lot of people here keep forgetting to view it from others perspective because that's the only way to counteract your bias.
people are like, "yeah, i'm totally fine with gay couples as long as they're both minor characters and they both die but HOW DARE YOU SHIP TWO MAJOR CHARACTERS TOGETHER WHO ARE THE SAME GENDER that's absurd"
i mean, if you choose to save her in s1ep1 and choose the right dialogue options, carley and lee flirt with each other and she even kisses him on the cheek. i have no doubts that that would have gone further if lilly hadn't done what she did... so why would it be so outlandish for luke and nick to have feelings for each other? because they are both men? for all we know, they might already have an established relationship that just isn't known by us yet, ya never know.
people need to lose this horrible idea that a character being gay or lesbian compromises their integrity or something. it just shows how far we are from acceptance and that is exhausting
Ah yeah, I saw the discussions surrounding the Ellie debate.
If she had kissed a boy it would have been "sweet" and "young love". But becau… morese she kissed a girl she's "confused", "young", "doesn't know what she likes yet". Some were even blaming it on the setting. "it's post-apocalypse, everything is confusing!".
Some guys in real life think like that towards lesbians as well, how they simply haven't found the right guy yet, it's sickening.
Media often doesn't help with stuff like that either. You can't watch a horror film these days without seeing 2 straight girls making out, or their being a random lesbian sex scene for no reason.
But eh, i'm getting off-topic haha.
Anyway, I think Telltale is well aware of the Luke/Nick ship, it might even be intentional. There were hints of it in the first episode, but not enough to really back the pairing on, then comes the second episode where the majority of their interactions are either very f… [view original content]
Thank you :P
and I completely agree. It's weird how people still see being gay as a character flaw, but the fact that there even is gay characters is a proof of progress, so it's something.
Also, I think Nick's room is listed in the files as Nick and Luke's room, and there is only one bed, so.. that's... something.
yes! you two are so awesome. lol
people are like, "yeah, i'm totally fine with gay couples as long as they're both minor characters and t… morehey both die but HOW DARE YOU SHIP TWO MAJOR CHARACTERS TOGETHER WHO ARE THE SAME GENDER that's absurd"
i mean, if you choose to save her in s1ep1 and choose the right dialogue options, carley and lee flirt with each other and she even kisses him on the cheek. i have no doubts that that would have gone further if lilly hadn't done what she did... so why would it be so outlandish for luke and nick to have feelings for each other? because they are both men? for all we know, they might already have an established relationship that just isn't known by us yet, ya never know.
people need to lose this horrible idea that a character being gay or lesbian compromises their integrity or something. it just shows how far we are from acceptance and that is exhausting
The thing about subtext is that you're pretty much working off of assumptions (on what may or may not have deeper meaning). So for the most part, I don't think there's any point trying to argue why people "don't see it". For me, Matthew/Walter was obvious. Nick/Luke on the other hand...I would have to selectively pick and choose certain things while ignoring others. At most, I could see Nick having unresolved feelings towards Luke because he hasn't made sense of them himself.
Oh.That sucks.A lot.My parents don't really care about what i'm playing,as long as there aren't sex scenes that pass the number of...Hmm,max… moreimum 3.And i agree with them,those scenes just make me uncomfortable.The games i play are mostly filled with gore,since i play a whole lotta shooters and horror and stuff,but they don't really mind.They said that what i play is fine with them,as long as i take responsibility and i'm sure about it.Like Amnesia,for example.They said they'll let me play as long as i can promise i won't have any nightmares...Truth is,i didn't,but i was always suspicious of going to the bathroom at night since finishing it...
But,yeah.Sometimes they ask me why i play what i play,and i say that i just like it.However,there are some games that pique their interest,and they even watch me while i play,'cause they like the story...Like Assassin's Creed,for example.Or The Walking Dead :P
i gotta say, i hope that if telltale does have plans for them relationship-wise they don't decide to, like, trash those plans because of all the hate and stuff. idk, that would just make me sad. not only just because luke and nick would make a great pair IMO (and the opinion of many others including our friend spoiler) but also cause it would just be sad if that was ruined because of hatred and intolerance.
Thank you :P
and I completely agree. It's weird how people still see being gay as a character flaw, but the fact that there even is gay cha… moreracters is a proof of progress, so it's something.
Also, I think Nick's room is listed in the files as Nick and Luke's room, and there is only one bed, so.. that's... something.
Sorry for my bad drawing but I really wanted to make this. so here. I am gonna state what I think in case if telltale staffs does stalk around the forum and consideres our feelings.
I dont want them to be together at all. And you know why ? Cause then I cant have Luke XD...well not like I can have him anyway because he is a fictional character but it would just be a great loss for the female mass with both Luke and Nick. I guess it is a gain for male mass sigh forever contemplates about fictional character
Well... I think this is a lower caliber than Luke and Clementine, so I wouldn't say it is any "worse." I doubt Luke likes Nick (or vice vers… morea) but it would be a little more plausible, and less sick then Clementine and Luke. Hey, at least there is no gay sex in the video
Even though I'm incredibly proud of what Telltale did with exploring other areas of relationships with Matthew and Walter, I feel like turni… moreng Nick and Luke's into a romantic one solely on the basis of their great and interesting friendship is a bad idea. In my opinion, "shipping" characters are mostly done for the sake of wanting something other than platonic subplots, which is seen in abundance on Tumblr. Take for example my best friend and I; we have incredible chemistry and get along most of the time, regardless of our differences. But the thing is, is that's all it is. Friendship. Why is that not good enough? You can be close to someone without having anything sexual to do with it.
Please don't let this turn into Clementine/Luke all over again.
[EDIT: Although I'm not comparing that pairing to "Nuke" in the sense where some people will probably assume I am. Pedophilia is wrong, plain and simple. While homosexuality is as natural an… [view original content]
Sorry to drudge this back up as it's clearly a controversial topic--unnecessarily controversial--but I'm new to the forum, only just noticed it, and kind of want to add my two cents.
This isn't really a shipping comment per se so much is it as attempt at speculation.
It's not unreasonable to theorize that two close friends might develop a romantic relationship when you're literally in danger of dying tomorrow. You've got an existing close bond and it's slim pickings as far as potential dates go (unless you're Nate and want to fuck zombies). Considering a handful of hints we've been given, I actually think it could plausible. It's possible that Telltale wanted to "test the waters" so to speak with Walter and Matthew in terms of LGBT representation, and depending on fans' reaction to them, might then consider outing bigger and returning characters.
A lot of people argue that the thing with Kenny proved they weren't. You're forgetting that we continue to live in a homophobic society--I think the disgusted reactions to the thought of popular existing characters turning out to be gay in this very thread is a good reflection of that. Frankly I kind of feel like such a big reaction on Nick and Luke's part to that comment was almost a bit too defensive? To be fair, Nick was on edge for unrelated reasons, and that could definitely be why he reacted that way, but still. I found it a bit suspicious. Especially when it's an unavoidable exchange in a conversation that's nothing but important, plot-related topics.
However, in the event it did indicate a closeted relationship, I doubt it would be sunshine and rainbows. Due to how Luke reacted to the whole Matthew situation (which was to automatically hide it), he'd be the type to insist they lie and keep in a secret for the sake of not making waves, and Nick, while generally pretty honest, is insecure enough in his own masculinity to go along with it. They'd be miserable all the while trying to hide it, but still too nostalgic for the idea of old-world relationships to let it go, because it's better to be miserable and together than miserable and alone. Considering how Nick mentioned Luke tends to push him into things and how Luke also downplayed Clem's comment about Nick wanting to die, I don't think Luke is as good a friend to Nick as we perceive him to be, so I really doubt he'd improve much in the romance department, either.
Honestly, it would be pretty characteristic of Telltale to kill off the happy gay couple and then reveal that there's been a second pair all along and they're the shady, miserable farmboys.
I thought Luke's reaction to Kenny's comment was fairly tame to be honest. It struck me as a "oh, here we go with this joke again" kind of reaction. Nick had an accusatory tone but it wasn't as angry as any fight he's had with Pete (now that's defensive). He seemed more annoyed to me. But their reactions aren't the only reason I think the Kenny comment works against the pairing.
On the subject of homosexuality, I'm just not inclined to trust the judgement of a man who assumed Lee could pick a lock because he was black. It just seemed like a similar example. He'd spent the last few weeks in the company of a gay couple and suddenly thought he had Gaydar. So I thought it was further proof of Matthew/Walter being lovers more than anything else.
Interesting take on a possible closeted relationship though. Even though I'm more inclined to think it could be a more one-sided affair.
Sorry to drudge this back up as it's clearly a controversial topic--unnecessarily controversial--but I'm new to the forum, only just noticed… more it, and kind of want to add my two cents.
This isn't really a shipping comment per se so much is it as attempt at speculation.
It's not unreasonable to theorize that two close friends might develop a romantic relationship when you're literally in danger of dying tomorrow. You've got an existing close bond and it's slim pickings as far as potential dates go (unless you're Nate and want to fuck zombies). Considering a handful of hints we've been given, I actually think it could plausible. It's possible that Telltale wanted to "test the waters" so to speak with Walter and Matthew in terms of LGBT representation, and depending on fans' reaction to them, might then consider outing bigger and returning characters.
A lot of people argue that the thing with Kenny proved they weren't. You're forgetting t… [view original content]
I thought Luke's reaction to Kenny's comment was fairly tame to be honest. It struck me as a "oh, here we go with this joke again" kind of r… moreeaction. Nick had an accusatory tone but it wasn't as angry as any fight he's had with Pete (now that's defensive). He seemed more annoyed to me. But their reactions aren't the only reason I think the Kenny comment works against the pairing.
On the subject of homosexuality, I'm just not inclined to trust the judgement of a man who assumed Lee could pick a lock because he was black. It just seemed like a similar example. He'd spent the last few weeks in the company of a gay couple and suddenly thought he had Gaydar. So I thought it was further proof of Matthew/Walter being lovers more than anything else.
Interesting take on a possible closeted relationship though. Even though I'm more inclined to think it could be a more one-sided affair.
A... Walking Dead AMV? Doesn't AMV stand for "Anime Music Video"?
Anyways, step aside; best ship coming through, choo choo.
I mean, at least people are finished talking about "riding Luke" and shit, right? Right?
Well said! I don't personally ship Luke/Nick (nothing against it, I'm just not a big shipper for TWD), but based on your analysis, I would actually be interested to see something like that play out. You make some really great points about their personalities.
Sorry to drudge this back up as it's clearly a controversial topic--unnecessarily controversial--but I'm new to the forum, only just noticed… more it, and kind of want to add my two cents.
This isn't really a shipping comment per se so much is it as attempt at speculation.
It's not unreasonable to theorize that two close friends might develop a romantic relationship when you're literally in danger of dying tomorrow. You've got an existing close bond and it's slim pickings as far as potential dates go (unless you're Nate and want to fuck zombies). Considering a handful of hints we've been given, I actually think it could plausible. It's possible that Telltale wanted to "test the waters" so to speak with Walter and Matthew in terms of LGBT representation, and depending on fans' reaction to them, might then consider outing bigger and returning characters.
A lot of people argue that the thing with Kenny proved they weren't. You're forgetting t… [view original content]
I was just thinking along the lines of Nick having feelings for Luke that he couldn't admit to or reconcile and that's part of what fuels the tension between them. Luke is oblivious but may/may not be open to it. This was just one scenario I could see Nuke being possible without seemingly contradicting what's already been established about the characters/relationship.
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Awww I don't know how to respond o.o
I sometimes tell my family that adult plays video games and they are like"yeah right", did anyone told you to get off the lawn ?
Thank you!
now i can fave it >:3
Holy hell, someone with an ounce of maturity!
But yeah, seriously, I agree with you. This thread has been one facepalm after another for me. I was expecting it, though, as the atmosphere on this whole board has been really goddamn childish for a long time. If given the choice between seeing a bunch of harmless shipping threads and the idiotic spamming and thread-derailing I constantly see, I'll take the shipping any day.
What I find funny is the occasional "I liked Matthew and Walter, but Luke and Nick? No... just no..." It's like... seriously, why? It's one thing to say "I don't support it until something concrete comes along", or "I don't really see it". But just flat out reacting with disgust towards the notion of Luke and Nick? Honestly, it sounds like the old defense of "I can't be homophobic because I have gay friends!", which is almost always bullshit.
In this case, it's more like, "two characters that weren't important and died quickly were gay... meh, whatever, but DON'T DO THAT TO THE CHARACTERS I LIKE! THEY'RE NOT GAY, DAMN IT!"
I don't know. It's interesting, if nothing else.
You are getting there, heck some might say you have created a revolution! (I find it hilarious how you guys call shipping a slang word.It is just outrageous! I wonder what I will face when I see kids...I guess hanging around with oculous 3d virtual glasses)
There IS no fuss.Almost any idiot can shoot a gun.The thing is,HOW you shoot it and all.But Call Of Duty isn't the only game in the world,and it certainly isn't what makes you a gamer.Personally,i like CoD,played almost every game in the series,but that's not the only game i play.What else do you play?
Oh my God, you just reminded me why I want Nate to return so much. Now I'm gonna spend the rest of this season wondering where the hell he is...
Well, I've been playing games since 8 bit home computers. I don't play anything like as much now as I used to in my 20s when I was camped out in front of PC RPGs like Baldur's Gate and shooters like Counterstrike for weeks at a time. These days I play on an iPad but I know plenty of people my age who buy the latest consoles. I tend to use a lot of what spare time I have writing open source software and that's kind of displaced serious gaming as a hobby for me over the last 10 years.
I think a lot of people are kinda blind to subtext, in a way.
In a previous thread, I think titled "Why were people referring to Walter and Matthew as friends?" a very large amount of comments were from people stating, "nah they are just really close friends", "just because they are close doesn't mean they are gay" and so on, and it even continued after staff confirmed that the 2 were lovers.
It's just been an unspoken rule for so long that every character is heterosexual until overtly stated otherwise, and a lot of people can't seem to handle the idea of a character they like being anything other than the heterosexual character they thought they were.
It's stupid. People think the subtext is too subtle, and so cling to the idea of the characters being straight, but if it was outright stated, people would think it came out of nowhere and was put in there for a political agenda.
Gaming has moved on, but not enough. I'm glad Telltale raised the issue at all, I love them for their portrayal of Walter and Matthew, and the hints at Luke/Nick are ambiguous enough, that they can have an awesome, popular character like Luke and not have to mention his sexuality at all.
What's so hilarious about that to me is that they say it was only done for "controversy" or to get a reaction... and indeed it gets one, from them. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. It gets morons all worked up... so it must have been done to get people all worked up and for no other reason.
From what I've been seeing, what you're talking about has been happening with the latest DLC for The Last Of Us. Ellie kisses a girl, and people are attempting to rationalize it with, "Oh, she's just young", "She's just experimenting", "It doesn't have to mean she likes girls" and so on on Youtube. A few TWD fans popped in as well to say "Well, they better not make Clementine gay too". Because apparently gayness kills a character or something. And as many people have pointed out, had she kissed a boy, not a word would be uttered to the contrary. Silly indeed.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN I CANT PLAY ANYTHING I LIKE BECAUSE -ahem.
Because mostly everything I like is for over 17 and my parents won't allow it any costs until I am that age.
Ah yeah, I saw the discussions surrounding the Ellie debate.
If she had kissed a boy it would have been "sweet" and "young love". But because she kissed a girl she's "confused", "young", "doesn't know what she likes yet". Some were even blaming it on the setting. "it's post-apocalypse, everything is confusing!".
Some guys in real life think like that towards lesbians as well, how they simply haven't found the right guy yet, it's sickening.
Media often doesn't help with stuff like that either. You can't watch a horror film these days without seeing 2 straight girls making out, or their being a random lesbian sex scene for no reason.
But eh, i'm getting off-topic haha.
Anyway, I think Telltale is well aware of the Luke/Nick ship, it might even be intentional. There were hints of it in the first episode, but not enough to really back the pairing on, then comes the second episode where the majority of their interactions are either very friendly and touchy, or flirty "You gonna come tuck me into bed?".
spoiler characters comment about the two of them being a match kinda settled it for me that Telltale was doing this intentionally. Whether that means they have plans for the 2 characters, or if they just wanted to set the ship sail, it's all good either way.
For me, I ship Luke and Molly.
If Molly will return in Season 2. Idk. Probably because both of them aren't using guns as weapons? xD
Oh.That sucks.A lot.My parents don't really care about what i'm playing,as long as there aren't sex scenes that pass the number of...Hmm,maximum 3.And i agree with them,those scenes just make me uncomfortable.The games i play are mostly filled with gore,since i play a whole lotta shooters and horror and stuff,but they don't really mind.They said that what i play is fine with them,as long as i take responsibility and i'm sure about it.Like Amnesia,for example.They said they'll let me play as long as i can promise i won't have any nightmares...Truth is,i didn't,but i was always suspicious of going to the bathroom at night since finishing it...
But,yeah.Sometimes they ask me why i play what i play,and i say that i just like it.However,there are some games that pique their interest,and they even watch me while i play,'cause they like the story...Like Assassin's Creed,for example.Or The Walking Dead :P
Yay open source! may I know what kind and what is the name of it?(I learned programming from my highschool but the only thing I created was a simple guitar hero game in unity....that does not penalize players for pressing all buttons at the same time ha ha)
For myself I used to play mmorpg alot. Now, I do not have time to play at all..but I keep watching other people play video games in youtube. After seeing someone play walking dead season 2 I sneakily got and played the game from steam because It is soo awesome and I want to see everyone in the cabin's reaction to Clementine's puppy eyes, and I also want to try out other dialouges too!.
Ehh, getting back to the Subject of the thread...ehh well we already know that Nick got pissed off at "I know you were dead" guy's comment..and from wiki I heard Luke tells Clementine that he is expert at talking to girls that does not want to talk to him if Clementine chooses silence too many times at the table scene. Ergo, they are not attracted to each other. yeahhh....
I don't ship them. But I'm not much of a shipper anyways. Honestly, I don't think they are, but it's kind of weird to assume they are or aren't because then you're basically saying, "They don't look gay," "They don't sound gay," "They don't act gay" and vice versa. You don't have to be a certain way in order to be homosexual/heterosexual/(other)sexual, so really, both sides of the argument are kind of stupid, because yes, unless it's outright stated or shown that someone has romantic interest in the same or opposite sex, you really don't know.People's sexuality doesn't make them the person they are, and by saying things like, "they don't seem gay," or "They aren't straight until otherwise noted", you are saying people are defined by their sexuality, which is completely untrue.
Subtext is weird in the way that you can take it in any way you want to interpret it in a lot of cases, and I think that this is one of those scenarios where the viwer/player is supposed to decide for themselves what it means until otherwise stated. This form of subtext is very common. If you saw their interactions which each other as brotherly/friendly, okay. If you saw their interactions as romantic/sexual, okay. Subtext is pretty often meant for you to interpret.
I saw Luke and Nick's interactions as brotherly, and they have good reason to be extremely close without romantic undertones being added. However, I wouldn't be surprised or even really care if they did turn out to have romantic feelings for each other, or if one had feelings for the other (who says they both have to be gay/bi?)
One last note; this is how humans work- if you have a preference, you will have a bias. I think a lot of people here keep forgetting to view it from others perspective because that's the only way to counteract your bias.
That's actually really coincidential since there are two kids who seem to be pretty good friends in TWD tv show called Luke and Molly lol
Found this in tumblr... I just leave it here.
This was brilliant.
BEUTIFWL. TEN OUTTA TEN. WOULD READ AGAIN.
yes! you two are so awesome. lol
people are like, "yeah, i'm totally fine with gay couples as long as they're both minor characters and they both die but HOW DARE YOU SHIP TWO MAJOR CHARACTERS TOGETHER WHO ARE THE SAME GENDER that's absurd"
i mean, if you choose to save her in s1ep1 and choose the right dialogue options, carley and lee flirt with each other and she even kisses him on the cheek. i have no doubts that that would have gone further if lilly hadn't done what she did... so why would it be so outlandish for luke and nick to have feelings for each other? because they are both men? for all we know, they might already have an established relationship that just isn't known by us yet, ya never know.
people need to lose this horrible idea that a character being gay or lesbian compromises their integrity or something. it just shows how far we are from acceptance and that is exhausting
Thank you :P
and I completely agree. It's weird how people still see being gay as a character flaw, but the fact that there even is gay characters is a proof of progress, so it's something.
Also, I think Nick's room is listed in the files as Nick and Luke's room, and there is only one bed, so.. that's... something.
The thing about subtext is that you're pretty much working off of assumptions (on what may or may not have deeper meaning). So for the most part, I don't think there's any point trying to argue why people "don't see it". For me, Matthew/Walter was obvious. Nick/Luke on the other hand...I would have to selectively pick and choose certain things while ignoring others. At most, I could see Nick having unresolved feelings towards Luke because he hasn't made sense of them himself.
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http://ravensep.deviantart.com/art/The-Nuke-ship-Spoiler-walking-dead-season-2-440698524
Sorry for my bad drawing but I really wanted to make this. so here. I am gonna state what I think in case if telltale staffs does stalk around the forum and consideres our feelings.
I dont want them to be together at all. And you know why ? Cause then I cant have Luke XD...well not like I can have him anyway because he is a fictional character but it would just be a great loss for the female mass with both Luke and Nick. I guess it is a gain for male mass sigh
forever contemplates about fictional character
I just realized that sounded terribly bigoty.
Welcome to the internet.
unlikely. why you ask?
nick is already dead in some playthroughs.
when Kenny said: "you two sure do look like a match" Nick immediately got angry and said "what's that supposed to mean?
I would also like to marry this awesome comment.
Wasn't this thread closed?
Sorry to drudge this back up as it's clearly a controversial topic--unnecessarily controversial--but I'm new to the forum, only just noticed it, and kind of want to add my two cents.
This isn't really a shipping comment per se so much is it as attempt at speculation.
It's not unreasonable to theorize that two close friends might develop a romantic relationship when you're literally in danger of dying tomorrow. You've got an existing close bond and it's slim pickings as far as potential dates go (unless you're Nate and want to fuck zombies). Considering a handful of hints we've been given, I actually think it could plausible. It's possible that Telltale wanted to "test the waters" so to speak with Walter and Matthew in terms of LGBT representation, and depending on fans' reaction to them, might then consider outing bigger and returning characters.
A lot of people argue that the thing with Kenny proved they weren't. You're forgetting that we continue to live in a homophobic society--I think the disgusted reactions to the thought of popular existing characters turning out to be gay in this very thread is a good reflection of that. Frankly I kind of feel like such a big reaction on Nick and Luke's part to that comment was almost a bit too defensive? To be fair, Nick was on edge for unrelated reasons, and that could definitely be why he reacted that way, but still. I found it a bit suspicious. Especially when it's an unavoidable exchange in a conversation that's nothing but important, plot-related topics.
However, in the event it did indicate a closeted relationship, I doubt it would be sunshine and rainbows. Due to how Luke reacted to the whole Matthew situation (which was to automatically hide it), he'd be the type to insist they lie and keep in a secret for the sake of not making waves, and Nick, while generally pretty honest, is insecure enough in his own masculinity to go along with it. They'd be miserable all the while trying to hide it, but still too nostalgic for the idea of old-world relationships to let it go, because it's better to be miserable and together than miserable and alone. Considering how Nick mentioned Luke tends to push him into things and how Luke also downplayed Clem's comment about Nick wanting to die, I don't think Luke is as good a friend to Nick as we perceive him to be, so I really doubt he'd improve much in the romance department, either.
Honestly, it would be pretty characteristic of Telltale to kill off the happy gay couple and then reveal that there's been a second pair all along and they're the shady, miserable farmboys.
I thought Luke's reaction to Kenny's comment was fairly tame to be honest. It struck me as a "oh, here we go with this joke again" kind of reaction. Nick had an accusatory tone but it wasn't as angry as any fight he's had with Pete (now that's defensive). He seemed more annoyed to me. But their reactions aren't the only reason I think the Kenny comment works against the pairing.
On the subject of homosexuality, I'm just not inclined to trust the judgement of a man who assumed Lee could pick a lock because he was black. It just seemed like a similar example. He'd spent the last few weeks in the company of a gay couple and suddenly thought he had Gaydar. So I thought it was further proof of Matthew/Walter being lovers more than anything else.
Interesting take on a possible closeted relationship though. Even though I'm more inclined to think it could be a more one-sided affair.
One-sided as in one character having unrequited feelings for another? I'm interested in hearing you elaborate on that.
Oh man. I live for the ridiculous faces that Nate makes in 400 Days.
Well said! I don't personally ship Luke/Nick (nothing against it, I'm just not a big shipper for TWD), but based on your analysis, I would actually be interested to see something like that play out. You make some really great points about their personalities.
I was just thinking along the lines of Nick having feelings for Luke that he couldn't admit to or reconcile and that's part of what fuels the tension between them. Luke is oblivious but may/may not be open to it. This was just one scenario I could see Nuke being possible without seemingly contradicting what's already been established about the characters/relationship.
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