Luke argued against leaving that night at all. But if the group was to leave that night, Luke was saying the reality was that injured people were going to have to be left behind.
"Killing is bad no matter what." -Lee Everett. Carver could of killed them all, but he didn't. He gave them a chance, at least. He killed Wa… morelter because Kenny shot one of his men. He probably should of died, because he was cruel and evil, but just the way they took pleasure in watching him get brutally murdered was sort of sick in my opinion. I wanted to choose to just walk away and leave him there, he had two bullets in his legs and had a herd surrounding him, bashing his head in was purely just for satisfaction, it wasn't justice. Leaving him would of been the strong thing to do, to show you are better than him. Sort of like what my Lee did with the St. Johns. If they really wanted to kill him to make sure he wouldn't come for you, just shoot him in the head and walk away. In was purely for vengeance to sit there and bash his brains, and for people to watch as he does it.
He was pissed that Clem killed a dog back in EP1, remember?
"You don't kill dawgs, man :("
It's no surprise that he's super against … moretaking people's lives , as well.
I think that'll turn out to be his biggest weakness. He's unable to kill people. A bit TOO good-natured, you know?
What Sarita said about Walter and Matthew in the lodge, can be used on Luke. "Honestly, it's dangerous to be this kind nowadays. But they just can't help it."
And we all know how they both ended up.
And how excatly would Carver be coming back to the group? Kenny shot him in both of his legs where he couldn't move so there would be no carver coming back for the group(already a defeated man). Just pause and think for a second. Out of all of this tho im surprised that 70% people chose to watch kenny bash his face and skull in. Yeah it's just a game but many people i bet and including themselves put their real life intents in this game based on the choices we are given. Not sure if that 70% survey is correct but to those who stayed, in a real life scenario woulld you actally watch someone else face getting bashed in? If you do, I question your humanity. Bullet to the head is a more plausible choice to me than bashing someone's face in with a crowbar. Thats just overkill and uneccessary.
Leaving him alive would have ensured that Carver would come after them. AGAIN. Carver needed to be eliminated as a threat.
Also, it's not like these folks have unlimited ammo. Crowbarring Carver was both satisfying and practical.
People can recover from leg injuries (depending on what it doesn't hit). That wouldn't be assurance that they were safe. But more importantly, Carver was manipulative. They leave him alive and he still has a whole community beholden to him to influence (not to mention having the fuel for revenge). Best way to keep that from happening is by cutting the head off the beast.
And how excatly would Carver be coming back to the group? Kenny shot him in both of his legs where he couldn't move so there would be no car… morever coming back for the group(already a defeated man). Just pause and think for a second. Out of all of this tho im surprised that 70% people chose to watch kenny bash his face and skull in. Yeah it's just a game but many people i bet and including themselves put their real life intents in this game based on the choices we are given. Not sure if that 70% survey is correct but to those who stayed, in a real life scenario woulld you actally watch someone else face getting bashed in? If you do, I question your humanity. Bullet to the head is a more plausible choice to me than bashing someone's face in with a crowbar. Thats just overkill and uneccessary.
It's satisfying, yeah, but it's also needlessly brutal and time-consuming. Seriously, why not just shoot the guy and leave instead of making a show out of it? Pretty much everyone except Rebecca and possibly Clem was against violently beating the guy to death.
But several smashes to the face with a crowbar is much more 'satisfying'. Kenny needed to get his own back on him for repeatedly hitting him with that walkie-talkie. Seems like an eye for an eye or better put a eye for a face in this situation.
That's a ludacris argument. There absolutely was, and even if there wasn't. Did he still CRUSH A MAN'S HEAD WITH A 50LB SALT LICK while the … moredaughter and an eight year old girl helplessly watched or was that just my game? Get over yourself, stop sticking up for a person who throughout season 1 showed nothing but contempt for Lee if you didn't help him kill someone who wasn't even dead.
And it gets better, when his son was bitten, he didn't give a shit. I don't like hypocrisy, and I can say that it was one of the most selfish things I have EVER seen in an act of fiction.
Because it was the "wrong" thing to do. He didn't want to kill someone in cold blood. And I kind of can agree with that, but at the same time the guy would have clearly hunted you down until the end of time if he was allowed to escape. It's hard to say what the right decision would be in that case when you know he'd never leave you alone.
However I would've liked to have the option to leave Carver once Kenny shot his knees out. If only because being eaten by walkers while being unable to run seems like a more fitting death.
Luke has some skewed morals. He doesn't want to kill people directly, but he was willing to leave Kenny (and by extension Sarita, because obviously she'd stay with Kenny) behind. He's not the black-and-white "We take care of our own and kill those who wrong us" justice dealer that Kenny is, he's a LOT more gray and more complex than that, and I find it interesting.
Luke has some skewed morals. He doesn't want to kill people directly, but he was willing to leave Kenny (and by extension Sarita, because ob… moreviously she'd stay with Kenny) behind. He's not the black-and-white "We take care of our own and kill those who wrong us" justice dealer that Kenny is, he's a LOT more gray and more complex than that, and I find it interesting.
Before you all continue saying "Luke is just a pussy" No... just because he doesn't want to kill Carver doesn't mean nothing. He was in favor of tying him up for possibly the walkers to come by. Did you all forget what Lee said about killing things or people? Every time you kill something or someone, it affects you. Whether you're killing a good or bad person, killing is bad no matter what.
But he didn't even want to do that. Not once does he argue for an alternative way to kill Carver. How is tying him up for walkers to eat alive better? It's only a way to kill without doing it with his bare hands (which has scarier implications, IMO, than someone who steels themselves to the task and owns up to it). He had an AK, he could've ended things quickly if he wanted to. His hesitation to harm Carver in any way means he's a possible liability when it comes to dealing with hostile humans, who are arguably more dangerous than the walkers.
Before you all continue saying "Luke is just a pussy" No... just because he doesn't want to kill Carver doesn't mean nothing. He was in favo… morer of tying him up for possibly the walkers to come by. Did you all forget what Lee said about killing things or people? Every time you kill something or someone, it affects you. Whether you're killing a good or bad person, killing is bad no matter what.
How many languages can you write in? The fact that I could understand lompi's post means he or she got their point across even though English isn't his or her first language. That makes them pretty smart in my book and probably smarter than you unless you can do the same. By that I mean communicate in other languages.
Well yeah, he probably did have the balls to do it, he lived in the zombie apocalypse for like 2 years. In that time he would of obviously had to kill some people
I think Luke has the balls to kill, but he tries to think things out logically, and with the horde of walkers approaching, it was best to le… moreave as quick as possible, Kenny on the other hand is ruled by his emotions and is willing to put the whole group at risk by taking the time to beat a man's skull in.
Well yeah, he probably did have the balls to do it, he lived in the zombie apocalypse for like 2 years. In that time he would of obviously had to kill some people
But he didn't even want to do that. Not once does he argue for an alternative way to kill Carver. How is tying him up for walkers to eat ali… moreve better? It's only a way to kill without doing it with his bare hands (which has scarier implications, IMO, than someone who steels themselves to the task and owns up to it). He had an AK, he could've ended things quickly if he wanted to. His hesitation to harm Carver in any way means he's a possible liability when it comes to dealing with hostile humans, who are arguably more dangerous than the walkers.
How many languages can you write in? The fact that I could understand lompi's post means he or she got their point across even though Englis… moreh isn't his or her first language. That makes them pretty smart in my book and probably smarter than you unless you can do the same. By that I mean communicate in other languages.
Kenny didn't have to kill Carver the way he did, But he had lost a friend (Walter), Got taken to a prision, Got beaten till he was nearly killed and blinded him in one eye. He was angry and wanted revenge. Luke is a good guy, But he is too weak. Kenny Has gone through alot like Clem. He understands what must be done. He lost his wife and kid and plenty of other people. He is angrier and more crazed then before. He won't let anyone harm him or Clem. He saved Clem from a beating which most likely would of killed her and protects her. If Kenny was not there, I doubt anyone would of escaped Carver's prision. Kenny is one of my favourite characters along with Luke and Clem.
Hm, i don't know why Luke didn't kill Carver or didn't want, but i think what he was going to shoot Troy when he showed up(Luke wanted to pick up a gun or whatever it was). Maybe he didn't want to do it brutally or there was no time for revenge.
To me, Luke is all talk and not too much action. He puts up this front that makes you think he's capable of anything he puts his mind to, but when it comes down to it, he's just your average joe nice guy trying to be something he's not. He wants to be the leader, but he can't seem to make the difficult decisions that is required of that position(unlike Kenny) He wants to stay who he was before the apocalypse, but the way things are now, if you don't change you're as good as dead.
How is Luke all talk and not too much action? You would have a point if Luke threatened to kill Carver or if he told the group that he was going to put an end to Carver, but he didn't do either. Kenny has the worst plans ever. Even in Season 1 he never thought his plans through. Here are some examples.
1. He wanted to leave the motel in the RV. Now before you describe how it was a good idea, Kenny didn't know what to do after they leave the motel. He kept stating that we go to the coast and that's it. No much thought into it at all.
2. All he wanted was a boat. He never thought where we would go, if we needed equipment for fishing, if we should bring some food and water with us, if we should bring extra gas with us just in case we run out in the middle of the ocean, etc. All he said was boat.
3. Shooting at a group of people that have AK-47s with a rifle when they're holding the group hostage. What a well-thought-out plan.
4. In the truck he wanted to take on Carver's group that are armed to the teeth with his bare hands. What's worse is that he wanted Clem, an eleven year old girl to help him fight.
5. Kenny wanted to draw thousands of lurkers to Carver's camp. Now before you go on to explain that his "plan" worked, his original plan before it was polished by everyone else was to attract the lurkers and shoot our way out. He didn't explain how they would get out of their pen (Bonnie was still loyal to Carver at that time), how they're going to walk through thousands of lurkers (Kenny didn't know about the smearing guts to blend in at that time), or where they're going to get the guns to shoot out.
To me, Luke is all talk and not too much action. He puts up this front that makes you think he's capable of anything he puts his mind to, bu… moret when it comes down to it, he's just your average joe nice guy trying to be something he's not. He wants to be the leader, but he can't seem to make the difficult decisions that is required of that position(unlike Kenny) He wants to stay who he was before the apocalypse, but the way things are now, if you don't change you're as good as dead.
You have your opinion, I have mine. I think Kenny's done the best he could in the circumstances given, yeah it hasn't always worked out, but I know that Kenny is willing to do what is necessary. Even if it means more blood on his hands to keep his own safe. With Luke, I just don't trust him to step up when it comes down to it.
How is Luke all talk and not too much action? You would have a point if Luke threatened to kill Carver or if he told the group that he was g… moreoing to put an end to Carver, but he didn't do either. Kenny has the worst plans ever. Even in Season 1 he never thought his plans through. Here are some examples.
1. He wanted to leave the motel in the RV. Now before you describe how it was a good idea, Kenny didn't know what to do after they leave the motel. He kept stating that we go to the coast and that's it. No much thought into it at all.
2. All he wanted was a boat. He never thought where we would go, if we needed equipment for fishing, if we should bring some food and water with us, if we should bring extra gas with us just in case we run out in the middle of the ocean, etc. All he said was boat.
3. Shooting at a group of people that have AK-47s with a rifle when they're holding the group hostage. What a well-thought-out plan.
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Kenny's motive for killing was to keep the person he killed from killing others. Carver killed as a penalty for not following his rules. Carver might still be alive if he wasn't terrorizing people. No offense, but your argument is nonsense.
On my game, where Alvin is tortured, Rebecca is the first person that tells Kenny to kill Carver as soon as they get the upper hand. I don't think she was stressed.
Putting stress on a pregnant woman isn't a good idea, not just for her but the baby as well. I know it was mostly a morally ambiguous act, b… moreut that doesn't subtract the fact that Kenny went way overboard like always. I would really like to just get away from him honestly.
IMO Kenny should have just put a bullet in Carver's head and got out of there. He put the group in danger by him taking it upon himself to decide what kind of justice Carver deserves. He wasted valuable time. They're two sides of the extreme. Kenny goes overboard while Luke is scant.
You have your opinion, I have mine. I think Kenny's done the best he could in the circumstances given, yeah it hasn't always worked out, but… more I know that Kenny is willing to do what is necessary. Even if it means more blood on his hands to keep his own safe. With Luke, I just don't trust him to step up when it comes down to it.
Lets try again. Even if he was still alive and chances are he recovered despite his leg injuries (it would make a much better plot imo if carver did survive since he was an interesting antagonist but that idea is all moot now) its about how he died by getting his face smashed in. Im also disturbed that most people let clementine watch it, she is already hardened. So there was no incentive for her to stay there and watch. Carver killed alvin so rebecca i can see why she stayed, kenny could of been killed if carved haven't stopped bashing his face in early. Did he do anything to clementine compared to rebecca and kenny? No. Just because times are hard in a zombie apocalypse doesn't mean you should lose sight of your humanity.
People can recover from leg injuries (depending on what it doesn't hit). That wouldn't be assurance that they were safe. But more importantl… morey, Carver was manipulative. They leave him alive and he still has a whole community beholden to him to influence (not to mention having the fuel for revenge). Best way to keep that from happening is by cutting the head off the beast.
I agree on the head bashing being too much. If I had any choice in the matter, I'd have stopped Kenny and shot Carver in the head but the whole thing felt like a test for Clem so... For the record, I had her leave even though she did want him dead.
Lets try again. Even if he was still alive and chances are he recovered despite his leg injuries (it would make a much better plot imo if ca… morerver did survive since he was an interesting antagonist but that idea is all moot now) its about how he died by getting his face smashed in. Im also disturbed that most people let clementine watch it, she is already hardened. So there was no incentive for her to stay there and watch. Carver killed alvin so rebecca i can see why she stayed, kenny could of been killed if carved haven't stopped bashing his face in early. Did he do anything to clementine compared to rebecca and kenny? No. Just because times are hard in a zombie apocalypse doesn't mean you should lose sight of your humanity.
None taken, cause it's not nonsense. I'm not going over it again though. This is obviously a stalemate we're at here. I can respect your opinions, just try to respect mine.
Kenny's motive for killing was to keep the person he killed from killing others. Carver killed as a penalty for not following his rules. Carver might still be alive if he wasn't terrorizing people. No offense, but your argument is nonsense.
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He killed Rajeev ( Reggie), Alvin :( Walter, hit Clementine in the first minute of the game ( Determi… morenant ), fucked up Kenny's eye and for fucks sake killed a lot of people. And Luke didn't want to kill him?
Really enjoyed every second of him being beaten down by Kenny, and loved Kenny even more.
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Also, it's not like these folks have unlimited ammo. Crowbarring Carver was both satisfying and practical.
However I would've liked to have the option to leave Carver once Kenny shot his knees out. If only because being eaten by walkers while being unable to run seems like a more fitting death.
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1. He wanted to leave the motel in the RV. Now before you describe how it was a good idea, Kenny didn't know what to do after they leave the motel. He kept stating that we go to the coast and that's it. No much thought into it at all.
2. All he wanted was a boat. He never thought where we would go, if we needed equipment for fishing, if we should bring some food and water with us, if we should bring extra gas with us just in case we run out in the middle of the ocean, etc. All he said was boat.
3. Shooting at a group of people that have AK-47s with a rifle when they're holding the group hostage. What a well-thought-out plan.
4. In the truck he wanted to take on Carver's group that are armed to the teeth with his bare hands. What's worse is that he wanted Clem, an eleven year old girl to help him fight.
5. Kenny wanted to draw thousands of lurkers to Carver's camp. Now before you go on to explain that his "plan" worked, his original plan before it was polished by everyone else was to attract the lurkers and shoot our way out. He didn't explain how they would get out of their pen (Bonnie was still loyal to Carver at that time), how they're going to walk through thousands of lurkers (Kenny didn't know about the smearing guts to blend in at that time), or where they're going to get the guns to shoot out.
Luke wanted some of dat ass