About the baby, I mean later on in the game, I don't think I'm too bothered about him surviving. Its going to cause too many problems. But I want him to survive because its a baby. I don't think he'll survive, Cold weather, mother is dead, formula becoming hard to come by, lack of clean and filtered water. If he doesn't draw walkers by crying, it'll be a virus he gets from the cold weather and unsanitary conditions. But I kind of want him to survive at the same time.
I think that girl was about the same height as Clem, she might take a bullet or hopefully Clem will shot her first. but honestly, I kind of like all the characters there apart from Luke. So I really really don't want any to die. Iv just started liking bonnie, we've just got Kenny back and mike is a funny bastard. Luke, iv never been his biggest fan and he annoyed me in season 4, so they can all use him as a shield!
I'm doubtful about Lilly, but who knows, we never saw her die, and look what they did with Kenny. But if they do bring her back, its just going to feel copied and they're using the same trick again. Especially if they do it this season!
I want Christa back, only so I can find out what happened in between Omid dying and getting attacked in the woods. I still want to know what happened with her baby, its a massive time gap that I'm really curious about. The only thing I can actually, possibly know about Christa and her baby, is that she got a C section, I'm not 100% but when Clem is stitching up her own arm, she says something along the lines of "just like Christa showed me" so maybe she taught her how to prepare for a C section if one was needed or maybe she had one.
Well, the baby wasn't in the middle of the gunfight, as Clem, Kenny, Luke, Bonnie and Mike was, so the baby survives, and Rebecca's corpse w… moreill defend the baby if it's about to get hit. Clem will survive, because it's her we're playing as and she will survive to the end of the episode (AND SEASON 3!?!??!). Also she's not as tall as the rest of the group, so she's less likely to get hit. I think she may be hit by a bullet, but hopefully it won't make her die, IT CAN'T! Clem and Kenny is the last survivors from Lee's group, Christa and Lilly might still be alive, but i doubt we will meet Lilly when we just met Kenny. I hope Christa will return. But hopefully TTG will make Clem the protagonist in season 3, if they don't, it'll be worse for themselves. No one hurts Clem, not even TTG themselves!
I think the baby will survive the gunfight, but like you say, cold weather, mother dead, zombie apocalypse and some of the people in the group are dead, he won't have much chance. I hope he will survive, i do, but the chance isn't so high with injured people and dead people walking around and eating people. Clem has to survive, Mike is funny, Kenny is one of my favorite characters, Bonnie's nice and the baby is a baby. Luke have just gotten the group or atleast some of the group members in danger. Luke is the only one i don't really care about. It would be sad, yea, but not as sad as some of the others. I think Christa will return, but not really Lilly. It would be too fucked up. Lilly & Kenny left the group/got separated and then meets up again a way from where they left. No way, i don't want that to happen, but Christa, ofc.
About the baby, I mean later on in the game, I don't think I'm too bothered about him surviving. Its going to cause too many problems. But I… more want him to survive because its a baby. I don't think he'll survive, Cold weather, mother is dead, formula becoming hard to come by, lack of clean and filtered water. If he doesn't draw walkers by crying, it'll be a virus he gets from the cold weather and unsanitary conditions. But I kind of want him to survive at the same time.
I think that girl was about the same height as Clem, she might take a bullet or hopefully Clem will shot her first. but honestly, I kind of like all the characters there apart from Luke. So I really really don't want any to die. Iv just started liking bonnie, we've just got Kenny back and mike is a funny bastard. Luke, iv never been his biggest fan and he annoyed me in season 4, so they can all use him as a shield!
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It would be great to play as Clem again. Yeah, playing as a kid bothers me, but i don't know what the fuck it has to do with ego.
But TWD universe is so big i can't help but want to play as someone else. There are so many opportunities with this game and i feel like whatever TTG does with S3 i'm sure it will be the right decision.
Right now, i don't care who we play as, i just want more TWD. We could be playing as Clementine's Hat and i wouldn't complain.
I agree, but your argument is valid only for not killing Clem, it says nothing about WHY she should be the protagonist in S3. I love Clem but I wouldn't have any problem if they introduce a new protagonist. In some sense, in 2012 Lee was a new protagonist (he wasn't in the comics or tv series) and we liked him a lot. So we just have to trust TTG to use that money that they earned from s1 and s2 to hire GOOD writers and make S3 an enjoyable experience like S1 was.
Rick Grimes has more than 100 issues and an on going TV show with 5 seasons and counting with him as the protagonists. And in the game we have Clementine as a side character in 1 season, and as main character in another season and all the sudden it's "oh this is getting stale, we need a new character!" If Rick, a fully grown adult can have that much of the story centered around him for that long, I think a child that's not even in her teens yet can keep the story going for quite some time.
Rick Grimes has more than 100 issues and an on going TV show with 5 seasons and counting with him as the protagonists. And in the game we ha… moreve Clementine as a side character in 1 season, and as main character in another season and all the sudden it's "oh this is getting stale, we need a new character!" If Rick, a fully grown adult can have that much of the story centered around him for that long, I think a child that's not even in her teens yet can keep the story going for quite some time.
There is a difference between a story you read, and a game you play. A fully grown adult can have more story simply because he's able to do more. There are things you can do to an adult character you won't do with a child character. Unless you don't mind child torture, or sex, or believable romance, or leading a group of people. Maybe you can see Clementine at the age of 12 leading a group of hardened adult survivors but that's just not believable to me.
Rick Grimes has more than 100 issues and an on going TV show with 5 seasons and counting with him as the protagonists. And in the game we ha… moreve Clementine as a side character in 1 season, and as main character in another season and all the sudden it's "oh this is getting stale, we need a new character!" If Rick, a fully grown adult can have that much of the story centered around him for that long, I think a child that's not even in her teens yet can keep the story going for quite some time.
Go and look on Amazon's comment section. For the first season you have like 1,400 comments, season 2 it's a dramatic drop off. There might be more Clem fans that post on this site but when it comes to a fan base outside this page I don't think you're right
Clem is the series only saving grace at this point. Everyone else in this season has been really annoying so far. If there's a season 3, Clem has to be the PC. Other wise I personally see no other reason to purchase it. Season 2 has been so dull and Clem is the only driving point IMO. So if Clem isn't the PC I'm not buying it, because I see no other reason to do so.
Remove Clem and Kenny from this Season and just add 2 random characters. Keep the story and everything else intact. Suddendly it feels like a really fucking shitty zombie game.
Clem is the series only saving grace at this point. Everyone else in this season has been really annoying so far. If there's a season 3, Cle… morem has to be the PC. Other wise I personally see no other reason to purchase it. Season 2 has been so dull and Clem is the only driving point IMO. So if Clem isn't the PC I'm not buying it, because I see no other reason to do so.
Honestly I feel you could remove Kenny, there's nothing special about him. He's extremely bipolar and it starts getting very stale and annoying after a while. I like Kenny I really do, but it's the same thing with him every time. First he's your friend, but if you disagree with him once, he becomes your enemy. If they get rid of him in season 3 I wouldn't be too upset. If there is a season 3 I'd like it to just be focused around Clem as a lone survivor.
Remove Clem and Kenny from this Season and just add 2 random characters. Keep the story and everything else intact. Suddendly it feels like a really fucking shitty zombie game.
I'm still fan of the idea of having a different main character, who meets Clem for the first time about 2 years after Season two [so that we allign with the comic timeline].
The way she behaves would be influenced by the choices we made season two. Like, if she is a loner, if she trusts people, if she'd be willing to leave you behind if you get injured or if she'd come to help you, etc.
If Clem is mean to the new main character, there would be no one to blame but ourselves for raising her that way in Season two. It'd be a really cool way for people to see how their choices shaped her.
As much as I want this to happen, this is telltale and a zombie game, nothing we want to happen ever happens. Sadly I don't wee Luke dying and some people are going to dye in the shoot out, I can see some of the characters I like dying. It would be too weird to have both Kenny and Lilly show up in the same season. It wouldn't be too weird to see Christa show up, since she was originally heading to Wellington. I can imagine seeing her there. But there is a possibility, since she was alone that she didn't make it and we either see her alive or dead.
I think the baby will survive the gunfight, but like you say, cold weather, mother dead, zombie apocalypse and some of the people in the gro… moreup are dead, he won't have much chance. I hope he will survive, i do, but the chance isn't so high with injured people and dead people walking around and eating people. Clem has to survive, Mike is funny, Kenny is one of my favorite characters, Bonnie's nice and the baby is a baby. Luke have just gotten the group or atleast some of the group members in danger. Luke is the only one i don't really care about. It would be sad, yea, but not as sad as some of the others. I think Christa will return, but not really Lilly. It would be too fucked up. Lilly & Kenny left the group/got separated and then meets up again a way from where they left. No way, i don't want that to happen, but Christa, ofc.
You're comparing series that either have a singular main character and a story with a beginning and end firmly in sight or one that has no singular character that takes up the whole of the series to one where we've had more than one character around whom the series has revolved around.
The Walking Dead isn't about Clementine. Just because she was featured ostensibly as a deuteragonist, or in this case more of a reason for the plot to exist in the first season, and the fandom went full retard in love with her does not mean she is whom TWD is centerd around.
TWD has no singular protagonist because it's not about this one person being so super special that every iteration of the franchise must follow just that one. The novels, for instance, followed both the Governor, then Lilly, then the Governor, then Lilly again and will deal with the aftermath of the prison arc from Lily's POV. Yes, they're repeating the characters and that is going to become bad if Lily is the sole character they focus on from here to eternity. But in a world where you can make your characters any person of any psychological background, why limit yourself to constantly having the same protagonist over and over just because the fans demand it like half drunk howler monkeys?
Spoiler alert: when the developers try to pander to the fans the series goes to complete shit. Just look at BioWare. And this is the problem with Telltale now, they've gotten way to popular and they don't seem to be aware that with popularity you get more people, and since 90% of the population has shitty taste, they will eventually have to take stupider and stupider design decisions to accomodate the 90%. Like sticking to a singular protagonist because some idiot can't stomp mentally masturbating over how awesome Clem is.
-The Last of Us is about Ellie
-Breaking Bad is about Walter White
-Lost is about Jack Shephard
-Arrow is about Oliver Queen
-F… moreamily Guy is about Peter Griffin
-Fables is about Bigby Wolf
-How I met your mother is about Ted Mosby
-Starwars is about Darth Vader (Anakin Skywalker)
-Death Note is about Light Raito Yagami
-The Big Bang Theory is about Leonard Hofstadter
...Hell... The list could go on and on... My point is... It's lame to call a series or game by the name of the main character...
The "this character's arc is finished" argument is old. It was old when people used it against Kenny, and it's old when those same people use it against Clementine. Ripley's "arc" was finished by the end of ALIEN, but Cameron found new ways to reinvigorate her role in ALIENS.
This is why so little in season two is of any narrative or character value.
Sweeping the entire season under the rug with a blanket statement like that is unfair not just to the writers, but to the fans who actually think there's a lot of value in season two.
Clementine's character arc is finished. It was finished at the end of season one which is why structuring this whole new season around her h… moreas caused it to feel so aimless and disjointed. That was the entire crux of season one: Lee atoned for his past through his care and protection of Clementine and in turn she learned how to survive on her own in this new world. Whether she lives or dies does not matter, when she glances up at those figures in the distance at the very end, her arc is fully realized. Her experiences with Lee have changed her into the person she will be in this zombie wasteland.
This is why so little in season two is of any narrative or character value. No matter what situations or characters Clementine encounters, they will never change her.
We witnessed her end a long time ago. It doesn't matter whether Clem lives or dies at this point.
No its not this is the Walking Dead. Read the comic or watch the show a little girl dying is not a big deal in the Walking Dead Universe
So essentially, your excuse is, "Clem should die horribly because this is a horrible world?"
First: That's a grossly nihilistic statement to make, even by Kirkman's standards. Secondly, Clem isn't Sophia. We've not only interacted with her in season one, we BECAME her in season two. For Telltale to pull the trigger on her character just because "this is real life, and real life is unfair", is simply lazy, and no matter what Kirkman or George R.R. Martin might believe, NOT good storytelling.
Ummm Did you feel that way at the beginning of season 1? If they add 2 random characters, and build a story around them it would no longer be a shitty zombie game.
Remove Clem and Kenny from this Season and just add 2 random characters. Keep the story and everything else intact. Suddendly it feels like a really fucking shitty zombie game.
He's not bipolar. His reactions are predictable for his personality. He's a natural leader. He doesn't like being out of control. He loves, and protects those who are close to him. He has a volatile temper when things go badly.
Honestly I feel you could remove Kenny, there's nothing special about him. He's extremely bipolar and it starts getting very stale and annoy… moreing after a while. I like Kenny I really do, but it's the same thing with him every time. First he's your friend, but if you disagree with him once, he becomes your enemy. If they get rid of him in season 3 I wouldn't be too upset. If there is a season 3 I'd like it to just be focused around Clem as a lone survivor.
I WOULD 100% agree with you, if it were not The Walking Dead we are talking about.
The thing with this game is that it gets you engaged. Some people more than others. This is a FACT!
I, for one, grew extremely attached to both Lee and Clementine. This attachment, I'd have to admit, borders on the psychologically unhealthily. But I digress...
Having Lee die at the End of Season 1 took a serious toll on me. Although being only a fictional character his death left me depressed and just... broken for weeks. But maybe I'm just easy prey, having grown up without a father-figure and stuff.
Again, I can only speak for myself, but having Clem not in Season 3 would be disastrous, yes disastrous! If you say it wouldn't be for you, then that's fine. You are entitled to your own opinion, as is everyone else.
So what happens with Clementine in Season 3 then? It'll be a never ending cycle..
If it were up to some, they'd be playing Walking Dead S… moreeason 17 with the ending being Clem passing away from old age peacefully overnight, just after finding a cure to the Zombie Apocalypse.
The Walking Dead universe has potential to hundred of great stories to be told, people need to stop being so narrow minded and allow for the possibility of a new great character to be played.
You're comparing series that either have a singular main character and a story with a beginning and end firmly in sight or one that has no s… moreingular character that takes up the whole of the series to one where we've had more than one character around whom the series has revolved around.
The Walking Dead isn't about Clementine. Just because she was featured ostensibly as a deuteragonist, or in this case more of a reason for the plot to exist in the first season, and the fandom went full retard in love with her does not mean she is whom TWD is centerd around.
TWD has no singular protagonist because it's not about this one person being so super special that every iteration of the franchise must follow just that one. The novels, for instance, followed both the Governor, then Lilly, then the Governor, then Lilly again and will deal with the aftermath of the prison arc from Lily's POV. Yes, they're repeating the characters and that is going to… [view original content]
I doubt they'd kill off Clementine. Not just cause it'd be too cruel, but because the big deal about Lee's death was that it was a huge shock; no one thought they'd kill off the protagonist. I think doing it again, while it would be sad, would just be kinda cheap. It'd probably end up evoking more of an "oh great, this again" reaction than anything.
(Also, if that baby ends up being season three protag as some people are theorizing, I will lose. my. mind.)
To be honest Clem is the only character I cared about in Season 2.
I don't see how they could possibly create something that is as moving as the Clem/Lee moment in Season 1 now.
I have no attachment to the characters and they won't be able to fix that with a single episode.
Maybe ** one** writer should have handled all of the episodes to give a bit more consistency to them and to actually build up
characters and plot to an epic resolution...
Some people don't get the point of ambiguous endings, because it means you have to be creative to enjoy it. I feel like, personally, her arc is reaching its true conclusion now though. But, I definitely understand.
Clementine's character arc is finished. It was finished at the end of season one which is why structuring this whole new season around her h… moreas caused it to feel so aimless and disjointed. That was the entire crux of season one: Lee atoned for his past through his care and protection of Clementine and in turn she learned how to survive on her own in this new world. Whether she lives or dies does not matter, when she glances up at those figures in the distance at the very end, her arc is fully realized. Her experiences with Lee have changed her into the person she will be in this zombie wasteland.
This is why so little in season two is of any narrative or character value. No matter what situations or characters Clementine encounters, they will never change her.
We witnessed her end a long time ago. It doesn't matter whether Clem lives or dies at this point.
Telltale would just be idiots if they kill of Clem. They killed Lee in season 1, if they kill Clem in season 2, then we almost knows, that the protagonist we get to play in season 3 will die at the end of the season.
I literally said it only once in this entire conversation.
Sadly, yes, but that's because Kirkman can't let go of his moralising main hero.
Sadly, yes, because the showrunners daren't stray far from the comics.
No it's not. She was a secondary character and a MacGuffin. Relating to the second use of her character combined with your logic, then One Piece isn't about Luffy finding One Piece and getting into wacky hijinks, it's about the One Piece itself. Everything else is secondary.
Doesn't stop people from doing just that.
This is me being rude. If I acted like an asshole to you, you'd pretend like you're that Twitter wimp Melody Hensley and accuse me of giving you PTSD.
First; stop saying "masturbating" in every sentence.
Second;
-The Walking Dead Comics is about Rick, or events that may affect him.
… more -The Walking Dead Show is about Rick
-The Walking Dead Game is about Clementine.
Third; Taste is not discussed.
Fourth; and after reading your comments... Stop being such an a**h***
Let's the lee-clem relationship as life. The story used to be... Let's say... About your grandfather/grandmother, then it passed ro your mother/father, then it passed to you as it will pass to your children or end with you. The story used to be about lee, now clementine, and season 3 clementine extension or someone who clementine taught. Thta's a lot more interesting than just like randomizing the characters and independent stories.
I literally said it only once in this entire conversation.
Sadly, yes, but that's because Kirkman can't let go of his moralising main her… moreo.
Sadly, yes, because the showrunners daren't stray far from the comics.
No it's not. She was a secondary character and a MacGuffin. Relating to the second use of her character combined with your logic, then One Piece isn't about Luffy finding One Piece and getting into wacky hijinks, it's about the One Piece itself. Everything else is secondary.
Doesn't stop people from doing just that.
This is me being rude. If I acted like an asshole to you, you'd pretend like you're that Twitter wimp Melody Hensley and accuse me of giving you PTSD.
Clem is basically "the face" of Telltale´s TWD video game series. Just like Rick for the TWD TV show. They would be stupid to kill their trademark characters off. Make Clem a 17 year old teen in S3 or something like that.
Exactly. Look at true detective for example. An amazing show as most people would agree, but also a show that has a new story with different characters every season.
I hope Telltale goes through with what they originally planned for Clem, even if that means her death or an ambiguous ending. The story should come before the fans. If the "No Clem No Buy" people end up ignoring season 3, good riddance, people like me will still buy season 3 regardless.
No it wouldn't be. It'd be it's own story. That's like saying Reservior Dogs was pointless cause the main cast were killed by the end of the film.
Stories, believe it or not, can be unique self contained plots.
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About the baby, I mean later on in the game, I don't think I'm too bothered about him surviving. Its going to cause too many problems. But I want him to survive because its a baby. I don't think he'll survive, Cold weather, mother is dead, formula becoming hard to come by, lack of clean and filtered water. If he doesn't draw walkers by crying, it'll be a virus he gets from the cold weather and unsanitary conditions. But I kind of want him to survive at the same time.
I think that girl was about the same height as Clem, she might take a bullet or hopefully Clem will shot her first. but honestly, I kind of like all the characters there apart from Luke. So I really really don't want any to die. Iv just started liking bonnie, we've just got Kenny back and mike is a funny bastard. Luke, iv never been his biggest fan and he annoyed me in season 4, so they can all use him as a shield!
I'm doubtful about Lilly, but who knows, we never saw her die, and look what they did with Kenny. But if they do bring her back, its just going to feel copied and they're using the same trick again. Especially if they do it this season!
I want Christa back, only so I can find out what happened in between Omid dying and getting attacked in the woods. I still want to know what happened with her baby, its a massive time gap that I'm really curious about. The only thing I can actually, possibly know about Christa and her baby, is that she got a C section, I'm not 100% but when Clem is stitching up her own arm, she says something along the lines of "just like Christa showed me" so maybe she taught her how to prepare for a C section if one was needed or maybe she had one.
I don't think Clem should die. But I'd like for season 3 to focus on someone else before Clem's story gets stale.
That's what I'm gonna do.
I think the baby will survive the gunfight, but like you say, cold weather, mother dead, zombie apocalypse and some of the people in the group are dead, he won't have much chance. I hope he will survive, i do, but the chance isn't so high with injured people and dead people walking around and eating people. Clem has to survive, Mike is funny, Kenny is one of my favorite characters, Bonnie's nice and the baby is a baby. Luke have just gotten the group or atleast some of the group members in danger. Luke is the only one i don't really care about. It would be sad, yea, but not as sad as some of the others. I think Christa will return, but not really Lilly. It would be too fucked up. Lilly & Kenny left the group/got separated and then meets up again a way from where they left. No way, i don't want that to happen, but Christa, ofc.
I'm 50/50.
It would be great to play as Clem again. Yeah, playing as a kid bothers me, but i don't know what the fuck it has to do with ego.
But TWD universe is so big i can't help but want to play as someone else. There are so many opportunities with this game and i feel like whatever TTG does with S3 i'm sure it will be the right decision.
Right now, i don't care who we play as, i just want more TWD. We could be playing as Clementine's Hat and i wouldn't complain.
I agree, but your argument is valid only for not killing Clem, it says nothing about WHY she should be the protagonist in S3. I love Clem but I wouldn't have any problem if they introduce a new protagonist. In some sense, in 2012 Lee was a new protagonist (he wasn't in the comics or tv series) and we liked him a lot. So we just have to trust TTG to use that money that they earned from s1 and s2 to hire GOOD writers and make S3 an enjoyable experience like S1 was.
Rick Grimes has more than 100 issues and an on going TV show with 5 seasons and counting with him as the protagonists. And in the game we have Clementine as a side character in 1 season, and as main character in another season and all the sudden it's "oh this is getting stale, we need a new character!" If Rick, a fully grown adult can have that much of the story centered around him for that long, I think a child that's not even in her teens yet can keep the story going for quite some time.
The comics have been stale for a very long time to me.
There is a difference between a story you read, and a game you play. A fully grown adult can have more story simply because he's able to do more. There are things you can do to an adult character you won't do with a child character. Unless you don't mind child torture, or sex, or believable romance, or leading a group of people. Maybe you can see Clementine at the age of 12 leading a group of hardened adult survivors but that's just not believable to me.
Go and look on Amazon's comment section. For the first season you have like 1,400 comments, season 2 it's a dramatic drop off. There might be more Clem fans that post on this site but when it comes to a fan base outside this page I don't think you're right
Clem is the series only saving grace at this point. Everyone else in this season has been really annoying so far. If there's a season 3, Clem has to be the PC. Other wise I personally see no other reason to purchase it. Season 2 has been so dull and Clem is the only driving point IMO. So if Clem isn't the PC I'm not buying it, because I see no other reason to do so.
Remove Clem and Kenny from this Season and just add 2 random characters. Keep the story and everything else intact. Suddendly it feels like a really fucking shitty zombie game.
Honestly I feel you could remove Kenny, there's nothing special about him. He's extremely bipolar and it starts getting very stale and annoying after a while. I like Kenny I really do, but it's the same thing with him every time. First he's your friend, but if you disagree with him once, he becomes your enemy. If they get rid of him in season 3 I wouldn't be too upset. If there is a season 3 I'd like it to just be focused around Clem as a lone survivor.
Of course you are. "end sarcasm"
No it wouldn't be. It'd be it's own story. That's like saying Reservior Dogs was pointless cause the main cast were killed by the end of the film.
Stories, believe it or not, can be unique self contained plots.
I'm still fan of the idea of having a different main character, who meets Clem for the first time about 2 years after Season two [so that we allign with the comic timeline].
The way she behaves would be influenced by the choices we made season two. Like, if she is a loner, if she trusts people, if she'd be willing to leave you behind if you get injured or if she'd come to help you, etc.
If Clem is mean to the new main character, there would be no one to blame but ourselves for raising her that way in Season two. It'd be a really cool way for people to see how their choices shaped her.
As much as I want this to happen, this is telltale and a zombie game, nothing we want to happen ever happens. Sadly I don't wee Luke dying and some people are going to dye in the shoot out, I can see some of the characters I like dying. It would be too weird to have both Kenny and Lilly show up in the same season. It wouldn't be too weird to see Christa show up, since she was originally heading to Wellington. I can imagine seeing her there. But there is a possibility, since she was alone that she didn't make it and we either see her alive or dead.
You're comparing series that either have a singular main character and a story with a beginning and end firmly in sight or one that has no singular character that takes up the whole of the series to one where we've had more than one character around whom the series has revolved around.
The Walking Dead isn't about Clementine. Just because she was featured ostensibly as a deuteragonist, or in this case more of a reason for the plot to exist in the first season, and the fandom went full retard in love with her does not mean she is whom TWD is centerd around.
TWD has no singular protagonist because it's not about this one person being so super special that every iteration of the franchise must follow just that one. The novels, for instance, followed both the Governor, then Lilly, then the Governor, then Lilly again and will deal with the aftermath of the prison arc from Lily's POV. Yes, they're repeating the characters and that is going to become bad if Lily is the sole character they focus on from here to eternity. But in a world where you can make your characters any person of any psychological background, why limit yourself to constantly having the same protagonist over and over just because the fans demand it like half drunk howler monkeys?
Spoiler alert: when the developers try to pander to the fans the series goes to complete shit. Just look at BioWare. And this is the problem with Telltale now, they've gotten way to popular and they don't seem to be aware that with popularity you get more people, and since 90% of the population has shitty taste, they will eventually have to take stupider and stupider design decisions to accomodate the 90%. Like sticking to a singular protagonist because some idiot can't stomp mentally masturbating over how awesome Clem is.
The "this character's arc is finished" argument is old. It was old when people used it against Kenny, and it's old when those same people use it against Clementine. Ripley's "arc" was finished by the end of ALIEN, but Cameron found new ways to reinvigorate her role in ALIENS.
Sweeping the entire season under the rug with a blanket statement like that is unfair not just to the writers, but to the fans who actually think there's a lot of value in season two.
So essentially, your excuse is, "Clem should die horribly because this is a horrible world?"
First: That's a grossly nihilistic statement to make, even by Kirkman's standards. Secondly, Clem isn't Sophia. We've not only interacted with her in season one, we BECAME her in season two. For Telltale to pull the trigger on her character just because "this is real life, and real life is unfair", is simply lazy, and no matter what Kirkman or George R.R. Martin might believe, NOT good storytelling.
Ummm Did you feel that way at the beginning of season 1? If they add 2 random characters, and build a story around them it would no longer be a shitty zombie game.
He's not bipolar. His reactions are predictable for his personality. He's a natural leader. He doesn't like being out of control. He loves, and protects those who are close to him. He has a volatile temper when things go badly.
I WOULD 100% agree with you, if it were not The Walking Dead we are talking about.
The thing with this game is that it gets you engaged. Some people more than others. This is a FACT!
I, for one, grew extremely attached to both Lee and Clementine. This attachment, I'd have to admit, borders on the psychologically unhealthily. But I digress...
Having Lee die at the End of Season 1 took a serious toll on me. Although being only a fictional character his death left me depressed and just... broken for weeks. But maybe I'm just easy prey, having grown up without a father-figure and stuff.
Again, I can only speak for myself, but having Clem not in Season 3 would be disastrous, yes disastrous! If you say it wouldn't be for you, then that's fine. You are entitled to your own opinion, as is everyone else.
First; stop saying "masturbating" in every sentence.
Second;
-The Walking Dead Comics is about Rick, or events that may affect him.
-The Walking Dead Show is about Rick
-The Walking Dead Game is about Clementine.
Third; Taste is not discussed.
Fourth; and after reading your comments... Stop being such an a**h***
I think that they will kill of Clementine at the end, but the baby will survive. It will be a emotional ending.
damn right
If Clementine dies, you know damn well that Telltale has the hugest balls in gaming history. But if she dies, then I at least want Mike to survive.
I sure hope you're wrong about Clem dying.. I don't wanna lose Clem. I would be devastated.
I doubt they'd kill off Clementine. Not just cause it'd be too cruel, but because the big deal about Lee's death was that it was a huge shock; no one thought they'd kill off the protagonist. I think doing it again, while it would be sad, would just be kinda cheap. It'd probably end up evoking more of an "oh great, this again" reaction than anything.
(Also, if that baby ends up being season three protag as some people are theorizing, I will lose. my. mind.)
Well, she affected people around her, so that counts as something. I doubt they will though.
We want more animals in the third season. Telltale! give Clementine a horse please ))) and a new hairstyle
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To be honest Clem is the only character I cared about in Season 2.
I don't see how they could possibly create something that is as moving as the Clem/Lee moment in Season 1 now.
I have no attachment to the characters and they won't be able to fix that with a single episode.
Maybe ** one** writer should have handled all of the episodes to give a bit more consistency to them and to actually build up
characters and plot to an epic resolution...
Some people don't get the point of ambiguous endings, because it means you have to be creative to enjoy it. I feel like, personally, her arc is reaching its true conclusion now though. But, I definitely understand.
Telltale would just be idiots if they kill of Clem. They killed Lee in season 1, if they kill Clem in season 2, then we almost knows, that the protagonist we get to play in season 3 will die at the end of the season.
I literally said it only once in this entire conversation.
Sadly, yes, but that's because Kirkman can't let go of his moralising main hero.
Sadly, yes, because the showrunners daren't stray far from the comics.
No it's not. She was a secondary character and a MacGuffin. Relating to the second use of her character combined with your logic, then One Piece isn't about Luffy finding One Piece and getting into wacky hijinks, it's about the One Piece itself. Everything else is secondary.
Doesn't stop people from doing just that.
This is me being rude. If I acted like an asshole to you, you'd pretend like you're that Twitter wimp Melody Hensley and accuse me of giving you PTSD.
Let's the lee-clem relationship as life. The story used to be... Let's say... About your grandfather/grandmother, then it passed ro your mother/father, then it passed to you as it will pass to your children or end with you. The story used to be about lee, now clementine, and season 3 clementine extension or someone who clementine taught. Thta's a lot more interesting than just like randomizing the characters and independent stories.
And... What?
Clem is basically "the face" of Telltale´s TWD video game series. Just like Rick for the TWD TV show. They would be stupid to kill their trademark characters off. Make Clem a 17 year old teen in S3 or something like that.
Good riddance, the less false fans the better.
I don't want Clem to die, but I also don't want her to be next seasons protagonist.
Exactly. Look at true detective for example. An amazing show as most people would agree, but also a show that has a new story with different characters every season.
I hope Telltale goes through with what they originally planned for Clem, even if that means her death or an ambiguous ending. The story should come before the fans. If the "No Clem No Buy" people end up ignoring season 3, good riddance, people like me will still buy season 3 regardless.