If you're going to dismiss people just because they're rightfully 'outraged', then don't be surprised if I find you not worth trying to convince. I also find it amusing that you contradict yourself by saying you don't endorse 'executing disabled people' but then talk about how good it is to "remove liabilities."
If you really want to be condescending, at least make sense.
Sure, panic attacks are a disability. When someone has a panic attack they're a liability. Liabilities in a fictional game can be annoying. … moreRemoval of the liability can be good. Also I don't want to execute disabled people, so consider that before you downvote me. You'll do it anyways though, because 'my internet sense of justice' rage. KONY 2012
Not to mention school shootings are now incorrectly connected to people with Autism and Aspergers. (I never got into trouble in school but was labeled as most likely to shoot up the school.)
They are not 'normal', and thus don't deserve to live. Autism makes people dangerous, which is why we should lock them up and let them die to protect ourselves.
Again, 'normal' people in America can still have some really twisted beliefs.
the only unbelievable part about sarah's death is that it took so long for the zombies to kill her, they were like 5 feet from her but somehow in the save (try to save) sarah option they decided to wait a while to let jane try and help her before they moved in, my assessment of the situation was that sarah was screwed the moment she fell, and i was right
It really isn’t believable. Never mind the fact that it’s very heavily implied that Sarah regained her will to live after the trailer (runni… moreng from the walkers, begging to be saved), there was no reason for the other characters to do literally nothing to help her, or hell, even just shoot her to put her out of her misery. There was literally not one single justification for the way they acted in that scene. It was stupid, simply put, and that is one major reason people are outraged with the death. That’s all I’m trying to say. It’s not only that Sarah is relatable to autistic people; her death was an example of nonsensical and contrived writing, something people didn’t expect from this series. You asked why there aren't hate threads for Carley, Duck, or Lee's deaths, so there you go.
And nothing we can do about bad writing? That’s a rather defeatist attitude. We need to criticize the writers when they do a poor job because, well, writing i… [view original content]
Well, autism can make people very dangerous. It doesn't mean we should lock them up, but depending on the severity of the diagnosis, I do think some precautionary steps are warranted to monitor for signs of trouble and prevent tragedies from occurring. Same with depression, PTSD, and anti-social personality disorder.
They are not 'normal', and thus don't deserve to live. Autism makes people dangerous, which is why we should lock them up and let them die to protect ourselves.
Again, 'normal' people in America can still have some really twisted beliefs.
Let me expand on that. I'm okay with people being okay with being okay with removing a character that often has bad tidings attached to her throughout the series. I'm not okay with disabled people being persecuted or ill treated.
If you're going to dismiss people just because they're rightfully 'outraged', then don't be surprised if I find you not worth trying to conv… moreince. I also find it amusing that you contradict yourself by saying you don't endorse 'executing disabled people' but then talk about how good it is to "remove liabilities."
If you really want to be condescending, at least make sense.
No no no that is a myth. Persons with Autism and Aspergers are rarely ever dangerous. They rarely ever commit violence of any kind. They are not dangerous. This is what I mean about the school shooting thing being incorrectly connected to Autism and Aspergers. T_T
Well, autism can make people very dangerous. It doesn't mean we should lock them up, but depending on the severity of the diagnosis, I do th… moreink some precautionary steps are warranted to monitor for signs of trouble and prevent tragedies from occurring. Same with depression, PTSD, and anti-social personality disorder.
No no no that is a myth. Persons with Autism and Aspergers are rarely ever dangerous. They rarely ever commit violence of any kind. They are… more not dangerous. This is what I mean about the school shooting thing being incorrectly connected to Autism and Aspergers. T_T
Usually the ones who have Autism/ Aspergers and become violent have other underlining conditions that would cause them to become violent. But Autism/ Aspergers as a diagnosis by itself does not cause a person to become violent.
The recent shootings done by men who were claimed to be autistic also had other factors contributing to their rampage, such as entitlement. Not least of which was the fact that they had legal access to guns in the first place.
I was under the impression that the meltdown is a symptom that is specific to autism and that it can cause very violent outbursts. I'm talking less here about the planned, methodical Adam Lanza-type cases and more about cases where people with autism have beaten friends and family bloody (or dead) in a sudden rage.
But like I said, this would all depend on the diagnosis. Autistics who show no heightened proclivity towards violence obviously wouldn't require any additional precautions to be taken. But those that do, whether due to autism, a combination of autism and another disorder, or just another disorder, may need to be monitored or even contained until it can be shown that there are measures that can be taken that consistently curtail their violent outbursts
Usually the ones who have Autism/ Aspergers and become violent have other underlining conditions that would cause them to become violent. But Autism/ Aspergers as a diagnosis by itself does not cause a person to become violent.
No they are not normally violent. It appears more like child having a tantrum (lack of a better term) without hitting or biting ect. There may be self inflicted head banging, which can get bad and need to be monitored, but not normally violence against others. But any violence and there is usually other underlining problems.
I was under the impression that the meltdown is a symptom that is specific to autism and that it can cause very violent outbursts. I'm talki… moreng less here about the planned, methodical Adam Lanza-type cases and more about cases where people with autism have beaten friends and family bloody (or dead) in a sudden rage.
But like I said, this would all depend on the diagnosis. Autistics who show no heightened proclivity towards violence obviously wouldn't require any additional precautions to be taken. But those that do, whether due to autism, a combination of autism and another disorder, or just another disorder, may need to be monitored or even contained until it can be shown that there are measures that can be taken that consistently curtail their violent outbursts
Is there a site you can direct me to that has more information about this? I know you mentioned that you found a lot of the online descriptions to be contrary to your experiences but I am finding quite a few seemingly credible sources with first-hand accounts of violent meltdowns in both children and adults with autism and no mention of any secondary conditions.
No they are not normally violent. It appears more like child having a tantrum (lack of a better term) without hitting or biting ect. There m… moreay be self inflicted head banging, which can get bad and need to be monitored, but not normally violence against others. But any violence and there is usually other underlining problems.
Thinking about it head banging and other self inflected things can be considered "violent" even if its not against another if maybe that is what you mean. (Violence to oneself.)
Edit:
I know Autism speaks online site may be a decent read to clear things up. (I don't particularly read them myself though and not sure if they will clear much up but might help.) To be honest I don't trust much of what I read on the net over actual experience.
Is there a site you can direct me to that has more information about this? I know you mentioned that you found a lot of the online descripti… moreons to be contrary to your experiences but I am finding quite a few seemingly credible sources with first-hand accounts of violent meltdowns in both children and adults with autism and no mention of any secondary conditions.
Well, the meltdown accounts I read mentioned things like throwing objects, punching. kicking, and scratching as well as self-harming. These are the sources I've been looking at:
Thinking about it head banging and other self inflected things can be considered "violent" even if its not against another if maybe that is … morewhat you mean. (Violence to oneself.)
Edit:
I know Autism speaks online site may be a decent read to clear things up. (I don't particularly read them myself though and not sure if they will clear much up but might help.) To be honest I don't trust much of what I read on the net over actual experience.
First link the research a handful of ASD children taking out ones who weren't on either of the extreme ends. This would skew the data as it doesn't include ASD children in the middle ground. (Basically they are looking specifically for kids diagnosed with ASD who were aggressive and not aggressive and nothing in between.) I don't trust it as a reliable source of information.
Second link doesn't say much of anything.
Third link written like a fiction also parts of sounds like a lot more than "just" Autism. A lot of the thing I was reading in that sounds like another disorder of some sort I read up on before but I can't remember what it was. (If I do remember I will update here but I'm suspecting this person had an underline disorder or misdiagnosis because a lot of what he does is very untypical to what Autism person does both high functioning and low functioning.)
Edit: I think it was Oppositional Defiant Disorder which can be misdiagnosed as Autism. Persons with ODD can be violent.
Well, the meltdown accounts I read mentioned things like throwing objects, punching. kicking, and scratching as well as self-harming. These … moreare the sources I've been looking at:
http://www.iancommunity.org/cs/simons_simplex_community/aggression_and_asd
http://foa.sagepub.com/content/28/3/166
http://www.salon.com/2009/03/26/bauer_autism/
And the comment section of this article: http://www.examiner.com/article/can-an-adult-with-autism-turn-violent-what-s-really-going-on
But it does need to be mentioned in the story or by the writers to become official. You might recognise it, but unless it's made canon it will only stay a theory. That's how a story, that isn't written by the players, works. People were so deadest on Luke and Nick being gay, and then Luke banged Jane which debunked it entirely. You fail to see despite the fact you might see the signs, doesn't make it so just like real life. YOU don't decide, a medical professional does. YOU don't write the character's personalities, weaknesses, strengths, Telltale does.
Ok, after carefully evaluating some of your points and trying to piece my opinions together. I've come to the conclusion I agree with both sides.
It's no secret Sarah's death on the balcony was lazily handled with too many inconsistencies to count on both hands. With that being said, I'm still not convinced Sarah was anything other than an overly sheltered girl who simply slept into a catatonic like state after her father died. I think what Sarah was is a reflection of what very well could've happened to Clementine had Lee not showed her how to survive. Although TT completely missed their mark and as such Sarah's "scared and lost" sympathetic character comes off seeming as though she has "mental illnesses."
This is the most glaring issue I have with her, she seems almost destined to die a slow and deliberately horrible death just for Clementine's development. I never "liked" Sarah, but I found her to (at certain times) be at least pseudo interesting and held immense sympathy for her during Amid the Ruins. And although I enjoyed Amid the Ruins, it has ALOT of character issues and conflicting messages.
Although you are probably right, i think everyone is going to far here because it is most likely telltale intended for her to be a young teenage girl who was coddled and hidden from the ZA and ended up having a psychological breakdown due to seeing her father be eaten alive right in front of her
Her panic attacks, her social cluelessness, her hatred of being touched - all signs of her having some sort of mental disorder to deal with,… more which are compounded by a father who certainly didn't raise her to act like any ordinary teenager. Many people have picked up on these cues and, regardless of the writers' intentions, players who actually have mental illnesses or know people with such have identified her as such. It's not smart, or even good business, to disregard the potential audience that might have liked this character as representing a group of real people.
And spare me the nonsense about 'reality being politically incorrect', because that's already been debunked a lot of times by the amount of ridiculous things that happened this season (Kenny screaming in a horde and not getting eaten, Carver not being injured at all by having a big hole in his shoulder, Clem kicking in a door that withstood a pack of corpses). The truth is … [view original content]
Being a Telltale writer isn't a medical professional either. The issue is not black and white its much more complicated than that. Just because telltale says it isn't true doesn't really mean anything beyond them saying its not true. There are already too many people with Autism, Aspergers, and parents of children diagnosed with these disabilities who identify Sarah as one and that is not going to change the opinions of these people.
But it does need to be mentioned in the story or by the writers to become official. You might recognise it, but unless it's made canon it wi… morell only stay a theory. That's how a story, that isn't written by the players, works. People were so deadest on Luke and Nick being gay, and then Luke banged Jane which debunked it entirely. You fail to see despite the fact you might see the signs, doesn't make it so just like real life. YOU don't decide, a medical professional does. YOU don't write the character's personalities, weaknesses, strengths, Telltale does.
Last time I checked the zombie apocalypse isn't real and theoretically any portrayal of it could be considered realistic because there is no IRL disaster situation in which hordes of the undead rise up and eat people to compare it to.
Well it's connected in as far as it caused his total social isolation which in turn caused the shooting. But it's not a direct relationship (the autism itself didn't make him more inclined to shoot anyone).
No no no that is a myth. Persons with Autism and Aspergers are rarely ever dangerous. They rarely ever commit violence of any kind. They are… more not dangerous. This is what I mean about the school shooting thing being incorrectly connected to Autism and Aspergers. T_T
Social isolation is common with persons with Autism/ Aspergers and partly because those persons differences will be recognized by others right away. Social isolation its self isn't a direct cause for a shooting though either. Other wise I would be one myself because I take social isolation to extreme at very many times I can go on for months without talking to anyone.
Well it's connected in as far as it caused his total social isolation which in turn caused the shooting. But it's not a direct relationship (the autism itself didn't make him more inclined to shoot anyone).
We live in the days of Dr. Phil and Keith Ablow, apparently psychiatric diagnosis can be administered without ever having interviewed the person. Hell, we even do it on people who are dead. Part of it is the medical establishment, and part of it is the nature of the beast. Psychological disorders (especially cognitive disorders) are difficult to diagnose because you need the patient to describe their feelings honestly and accurate, which is incredibly difficult to do long term, let alone in an hour or two. Part of the reason for a speedy diagnosis is for insurance reasons (at least in the US), but there are also social factors (at least I believe), but I won't go into them here.
Though, to the question of identification: while I believe some people do go overboard, I think identifying with a character can helpful for one's own problems, but more importantly, it's simply parts of characters we connect with and it makes the story more enjoyable. I've said this before, I connect with Nick a lot more because of his melancholy and suicidal ideation. That isn't to say I'm going to label him as "a character with depression, and therefore me," but those are elements which make me think about the interrelationship between how people relate to him, how I relate to him, and how people relate to me.
It is, but not alone. I get what you're saying, it takes a specific type of person to actually go out and do that aside from the autism, but the social isolation led to the shooting, pretty much undoubtedly it was one of the biggest factors. Having been there myself (I have atypical autism and it's more than just not talking to people, I do that now but it doesn't evoke the same feelings as it did a while ago), I used to have very venemous thoughts towards other people in general but I'm the type of person who would just commit suicide if I was going to (which I was close to but that's another issue).
Either way, I can understand the mindset the kid in question had because I have essentially been there. Considering most of humanity to be scum worthy of death due to complete isolation and such. I just never quite went completely over the edge (and even if I had I'd have just committed suicide, there's not really much point in bringing what people "deserve" to them if you're going to off yourself anyway, might as well just get yourself over with and you won't care any more).
Social isolation is common with persons with Autism/ Aspergers and partly because those persons differences will be recognized by others rig… moreht away. Social isolation its self isn't a direct cause for a shooting though either. Other wise I would be one myself because I take social isolation to extreme at very many times I can go on for months without talking to anyone.
It is, but not alone. I get what you're saying, it takes a specific type of person to actually go out and do that aside from the autism, but… more the social isolation led to the shooting, pretty much undoubtedly it was one of the biggest factors. Having been there myself (I have atypical autism and it's more than just not talking to people, I do that now but it doesn't evoke the same feelings as it did a while ago), I used to have very venemous thoughts towards other people in general but I'm the type of person who would just commit suicide if I was going to (which I was close to but that's another issue).
Either way, I can understand the mindset the kid in question had because I have essentially been there. Considering most of humanity to be scum worthy of death due to complete isolation and such. I just never quite went completely over the edge (and even if I had I'd have just committed suicide, there's not really much point in bringing what … [view original content]
I guess I'm that different then. I had points in my life that I thought violently hurtful of others because of the way they acted towards me but it was only after I isolated myself from everyone those thoughts went away. The only times that those thoughts did not go away right away was when I was unable to isolate myself and forced to be dragged through hell which did cause me to act out on my self because I was afraid of hurting others resulting with permanent scarring. (Something I'm working at getting rid of and will never do again.) My physiologist said such thoughts are normal though and only a problem if you do act out on them.
This isn't just headcanons based on weak evidence. Sarah in canon, has panic attacks. They are referred to specifically as panic attacks in unused audio. Even if you don't believe any of the other evidence, panic attacks are a disability in themselves. By their own writing, Sarah is disabled.
But it does need to be mentioned in the story or by the writers to become official. You might recognise it, but unless it's made canon it wi… morell only stay a theory. That's how a story, that isn't written by the players, works. People were so deadest on Luke and Nick being gay, and then Luke banged Jane which debunked it entirely. You fail to see despite the fact you might see the signs, doesn't make it so just like real life. YOU don't decide, a medical professional does. YOU don't write the character's personalities, weaknesses, strengths, Telltale does.
Let me expand on that. I'm okay with people being okay with being okay with removing a character that often has bad tidings attached to her throughout the series. I'm not okay with disabled people being persecuted or ill treated.
This isn't just headcanons based on weak evidence. Sarah in canon, has panic attacks. They are referred to specifically as panic attacks in … moreunused audio. Even if you don't believe any of the other evidence, panic attacks are a disability in themselves. By their own writing, Sarah is disabled.
Like I said, isolation is not the same as solitude. You can be surrounded by people and still be isolated. It's that kind of isolation which is the worst and most hurtful to be honest. I mean, I still really don't talk to anyone now, but I don't feel so isolated like I did.
I have always been very against scarring myself for a few reasons, although I did inflict pain on myself in non-scarring ways that was to distract from the emotional pain rather than as an act of violence.
I guess I'm that different then. I had points in my life that I thought violently hurtful of others because of the way they acted towards me… more but it was only after I isolated myself from everyone those thoughts went away. The only times that those thoughts did not go away right away was when I was unable to isolate myself and forced to be dragged through hell which did cause me to act out on my self because I was afraid of hurting others resulting with permanent scarring. (Something I'm working at getting rid of and will never do again.) My physiologist said such thoughts are normal though and only a problem if you do act out on them.
Yeah I know what your talking about I've been isolated by my peers since I was only 4 but I had to isolate myself from everyone to stop the hurt. So far I've been locked up in my house with the exception of buying necessities for about 10 years but I have to talk to someone at least every few months. (No this isn't sarcasm or anything I'm really am a recluse who is barely able to function around others because of my disabilities make it nearly impossible to interact with humans outside the computer.)
Like I said, isolation is not the same as solitude. You can be surrounded by people and still be isolated. It's that kind of isolation which… more is the worst and most hurtful to be honest. I mean, I still really don't talk to anyone now, but I don't feel so isolated like I did.
I have always been very against scarring myself for a few reasons, although I did inflict pain on myself in non-scarring ways that was to distract from the emotional pain rather than as an act of violence.
The symptoms of the panic attack are explicit in the game. They were intentionally supposed to be panic attacks, the audio is evidence in support of that. Just because the audio isn't used doesn't mean that the writers suddenly decided that they weren't supposed to be panic attacks.
and if it was possible it won't ever get that bad the military will hold slow ass dead one shot to the head cops can hold to with swat teams not to forget all the people who own guns like me
Last time I checked the zombie apocalypse isn't real and theoretically any portrayal of it could be considered realistic because there is no… more IRL disaster situation in which hordes of the undead rise up and eat people to compare it to.
This is a bad argument.
But it does need to be mentioned in the story or by the writers to become official. You might recognise it, but unless it's made canon it wi… morell only stay a theory. That's how a story, that isn't written by the players, works. People were so deadest on Luke and Nick being gay, and then Luke banged Jane which debunked it entirely. You fail to see despite the fact you might see the signs, doesn't make it so just like real life. YOU don't decide, a medical professional does. YOU don't write the character's personalities, weaknesses, strengths, Telltale does.
This isn't just headcanons based on weak evidence. Sarah in canon, has panic attacks. They are referred to specifically as panic attacks in … moreunused audio. Even if you don't believe any of the other evidence, panic attacks are a disability in themselves. By their own writing, Sarah is disabled.
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If you're going to dismiss people just because they're rightfully 'outraged', then don't be surprised if I find you not worth trying to convince. I also find it amusing that you contradict yourself by saying you don't endorse 'executing disabled people' but then talk about how good it is to "remove liabilities."
If you really want to be condescending, at least make sense.
Not to mention school shootings are now incorrectly connected to people with Autism and Aspergers. (I never got into trouble in school but was labeled as most likely to shoot up the school.)
the only unbelievable part about sarah's death is that it took so long for the zombies to kill her, they were like 5 feet from her but somehow in the save (try to save) sarah option they decided to wait a while to let jane try and help her before they moved in, my assessment of the situation was that sarah was screwed the moment she fell, and i was right
Well, autism can make people very dangerous. It doesn't mean we should lock them up, but depending on the severity of the diagnosis, I do think some precautionary steps are warranted to monitor for signs of trouble and prevent tragedies from occurring. Same with depression, PTSD, and anti-social personality disorder.
Let me expand on that. I'm okay with people being okay with being okay with removing a character that often has bad tidings attached to her throughout the series. I'm not okay with disabled people being persecuted or ill treated.
No no no that is a myth. Persons with Autism and Aspergers are rarely ever dangerous. They rarely ever commit violence of any kind. They are not dangerous. This is what I mean about the school shooting thing being incorrectly connected to Autism and Aspergers. T_T
Even during meltdowns? From what I've read, these can be quite violent. I mean, like I said, it would depend on the severity of the diagnosis.
Well, Einstein is believed to have had autism, and he was sort of responsible for the atom bomb. So, pretty dangerous. :P
Usually the ones who have Autism/ Aspergers and become violent have other underlining conditions that would cause them to become violent. But Autism/ Aspergers as a diagnosis by itself does not cause a person to become violent.
The recent shootings done by men who were claimed to be autistic also had other factors contributing to their rampage, such as entitlement. Not least of which was the fact that they had legal access to guns in the first place.
I was under the impression that the meltdown is a symptom that is specific to autism and that it can cause very violent outbursts. I'm talking less here about the planned, methodical Adam Lanza-type cases and more about cases where people with autism have beaten friends and family bloody (or dead) in a sudden rage.
But like I said, this would all depend on the diagnosis. Autistics who show no heightened proclivity towards violence obviously wouldn't require any additional precautions to be taken. But those that do, whether due to autism, a combination of autism and another disorder, or just another disorder, may need to be monitored or even contained until it can be shown that there are measures that can be taken that consistently curtail their violent outbursts
No they are not normally violent. It appears more like child having a tantrum (lack of a better term) without hitting or biting ect. There may be self inflicted head banging, which can get bad and need to be monitored, but not normally violence against others. But any violence and there is usually other underlining problems.
Is there a site you can direct me to that has more information about this? I know you mentioned that you found a lot of the online descriptions to be contrary to your experiences but I am finding quite a few seemingly credible sources with first-hand accounts of violent meltdowns in both children and adults with autism and no mention of any secondary conditions.
Thinking about it head banging and other self inflected things can be considered "violent" even if its not against another if maybe that is what you mean. (Violence to oneself.)
Edit:
I know Autism speaks online site may be a decent read to clear things up. (I don't particularly read them myself though and not sure if they will clear much up but might help.) To be honest I don't trust much of what I read on the net over actual experience.
Well, the meltdown accounts I read mentioned things like throwing objects, punching. kicking, and scratching as well as self-harming. These are the sources I've been looking at:
http://www.iancommunity.org/cs/simons_simplex_community/aggression_and_asd
http://foa.sagepub.com/content/28/3/166
http://www.salon.com/2009/03/26/bauer_autism/
And the comment section of this article: http://www.examiner.com/article/can-an-adult-with-autism-turn-violent-what-s-really-going-on
First link the research a handful of ASD children taking out ones who weren't on either of the extreme ends. This would skew the data as it doesn't include ASD children in the middle ground. (Basically they are looking specifically for kids diagnosed with ASD who were aggressive and not aggressive and nothing in between.) I don't trust it as a reliable source of information.
Second link doesn't say much of anything.
Third link written like a fiction also parts of sounds like a lot more than "just" Autism. A lot of the thing I was reading in that sounds like another disorder of some sort I read up on before but I can't remember what it was. (If I do remember I will update here but I'm suspecting this person had an underline disorder or misdiagnosis because a lot of what he does is very untypical to what Autism person does both high functioning and low functioning.)
Edit: I think it was Oppositional Defiant Disorder which can be misdiagnosed as Autism. Persons with ODD can be violent.
But it does need to be mentioned in the story or by the writers to become official. You might recognise it, but unless it's made canon it will only stay a theory. That's how a story, that isn't written by the players, works. People were so deadest on Luke and Nick being gay, and then Luke banged Jane which debunked it entirely. You fail to see despite the fact you might see the signs, doesn't make it so just like real life. YOU don't decide, a medical professional does. YOU don't write the character's personalities, weaknesses, strengths, Telltale does.
Ok, after carefully evaluating some of your points and trying to piece my opinions together. I've come to the conclusion I agree with both sides.
It's no secret Sarah's death on the balcony was lazily handled with too many inconsistencies to count on both hands. With that being said, I'm still not convinced Sarah was anything other than an overly sheltered girl who simply slept into a catatonic like state after her father died. I think what Sarah was is a reflection of what very well could've happened to Clementine had Lee not showed her how to survive. Although TT completely missed their mark and as such Sarah's "scared and lost" sympathetic character comes off seeming as though she has "mental illnesses."
This is the most glaring issue I have with her, she seems almost destined to die a slow and deliberately horrible death just for Clementine's development. I never "liked" Sarah, but I found her to (at certain times) be at least pseudo interesting and held immense sympathy for her during Amid the Ruins. And although I enjoyed Amid the Ruins, it has ALOT of character issues and conflicting messages.
Although you are probably right, i think everyone is going to far here because it is most likely telltale intended for her to be a young teenage girl who was coddled and hidden from the ZA and ended up having a psychological breakdown due to seeing her father be eaten alive right in front of her
Being a Telltale writer isn't a medical professional either. The issue is not black and white its much more complicated than that. Just because telltale says it isn't true doesn't really mean anything beyond them saying its not true. There are already too many people with Autism, Aspergers, and parents of children diagnosed with these disabilities who identify Sarah as one and that is not going to change the opinions of these people.
Last time i checked the walking dead was the most realistic adaptation of the Zombie Apocalypse
Last time I checked the zombie apocalypse isn't real and theoretically any portrayal of it could be considered realistic because there is no IRL disaster situation in which hordes of the undead rise up and eat people to compare it to.
This is a bad argument.
Well it's connected in as far as it caused his total social isolation which in turn caused the shooting. But it's not a direct relationship (the autism itself didn't make him more inclined to shoot anyone).
Social isolation is common with persons with Autism/ Aspergers and partly because those persons differences will be recognized by others right away. Social isolation its self isn't a direct cause for a shooting though either. Other wise I would be one myself because I take social isolation to extreme at very many times I can go on for months without talking to anyone.
She's disabled,not all the disabilities are physical, there are also psychological disabilities, but still no Sarah deserved to die.
We live in the days of Dr. Phil and Keith Ablow, apparently psychiatric diagnosis can be administered without ever having interviewed the person. Hell, we even do it on people who are dead. Part of it is the medical establishment, and part of it is the nature of the beast. Psychological disorders (especially cognitive disorders) are difficult to diagnose because you need the patient to describe their feelings honestly and accurate, which is incredibly difficult to do long term, let alone in an hour or two. Part of the reason for a speedy diagnosis is for insurance reasons (at least in the US), but there are also social factors (at least I believe), but I won't go into them here.
Though, to the question of identification: while I believe some people do go overboard, I think identifying with a character can helpful for one's own problems, but more importantly, it's simply parts of characters we connect with and it makes the story more enjoyable. I've said this before, I connect with Nick a lot more because of his melancholy and suicidal ideation. That isn't to say I'm going to label him as "a character with depression, and therefore me," but those are elements which make me think about the interrelationship between how people relate to him, how I relate to him, and how people relate to me.
It is, but not alone. I get what you're saying, it takes a specific type of person to actually go out and do that aside from the autism, but the social isolation led to the shooting, pretty much undoubtedly it was one of the biggest factors. Having been there myself (I have atypical autism and it's more than just not talking to people, I do that now but it doesn't evoke the same feelings as it did a while ago), I used to have very venemous thoughts towards other people in general but I'm the type of person who would just commit suicide if I was going to (which I was close to but that's another issue).
Either way, I can understand the mindset the kid in question had because I have essentially been there. Considering most of humanity to be scum worthy of death due to complete isolation and such. I just never quite went completely over the edge (and even if I had I'd have just committed suicide, there's not really much point in bringing what people "deserve" to them if you're going to off yourself anyway, might as well just get yourself over with and you won't care any more).
And don't worry, I'm mentally stable and happy now. Not in any danger of anything like that any more. Pulled through the depression.
I guess I'm that different then. I had points in my life that I thought violently hurtful of others because of the way they acted towards me but it was only after I isolated myself from everyone those thoughts went away. The only times that those thoughts did not go away right away was when I was unable to isolate myself and forced to be dragged through hell which did cause me to act out on my self because I was afraid of hurting others resulting with permanent scarring. (Something I'm working at getting rid of and will never do again.) My physiologist said such thoughts are normal though and only a problem if you do act out on them.
But I can't decide if she's mentally ill or not and make it canon.
This isn't just headcanons based on weak evidence. Sarah in canon, has panic attacks. They are referred to specifically as panic attacks in unused audio. Even if you don't believe any of the other evidence, panic attacks are a disability in themselves. By their own writing, Sarah is disabled.
How does she have "bad tidings" attached to her throughout the series?
If the audio is unused, then it isn't canon. But you're not wrong about panic attacks.
Like I said, isolation is not the same as solitude. You can be surrounded by people and still be isolated. It's that kind of isolation which is the worst and most hurtful to be honest. I mean, I still really don't talk to anyone now, but I don't feel so isolated like I did.
I have always been very against scarring myself for a few reasons, although I did inflict pain on myself in non-scarring ways that was to distract from the emotional pain rather than as an act of violence.
Yeah I know what your talking about I've been isolated by my peers since I was only 4 but I had to isolate myself from everyone to stop the hurt. So far I've been locked up in my house with the exception of buying necessities for about 10 years but I have to talk to someone at least every few months. (No this isn't sarcasm or anything I'm really am a recluse who is barely able to function around others because of my disabilities make it nearly impossible to interact with humans outside the computer.)
The symptoms of the panic attack are explicit in the game. They were intentionally supposed to be panic attacks, the audio is evidence in support of that. Just because the audio isn't used doesn't mean that the writers suddenly decided that they weren't supposed to be panic attacks.
and if it was possible it won't ever get that bad the military will hold slow ass dead one shot to the head cops can hold to with swat teams not to forget all the people who own guns like me
Who said anything about the wiki?
Nick could have still been gay. Luke could be bisexual.
Just sayin'.
I know which files you're talking about, I found them with the speech extractor, and I'm pretty sure they're used.