The problem with Kenny's murder method was that he took valuable time away from their escape in order to have his dramatic revenge, and also… more allowed Carver to remain smug and die pretty quickly (he was unconscious by the first hit). If he really wanted to have revenge and remain pragmatic, he could have just tied up Carver or shot him in the dick and let him be eaten alive.
What reason would you have to be loyal to someone who didn't have your back? Because you’re a good person who doesn’t want to stand by and let other people die? The same reason Lee can save Ben, even though he betrayed the group? The same reason Sarah helped Clem, a total stranger? The same reason Molly saved Kenny, even though he tried to shoot her? The same reason Clem saves Luke on the bridge, even though he locked her in a shed?
And if we’re talking just about the meat locker scene, I’d hope that any reasonable person would’ve been understanding of Lee if he didn’t help kill Larry.
First of all, Kenny manages to stop Larry perfectly fine on his own, so he didn’t even need Lee to back him up in the first place. Second of all, why does he care if Lee didn’t back him up this one time? Why does that invalidate every other time Lee has looked out for and protected Kenny and his family? From my point of view, Kenny is the truly disloyal one, because he let one disagreement completely fracture his view of Lee.
Look at Lilly; if Lee decides to help neither person, Lilly is sympathetic and tells him that she understands that he froze and was unable to take sides. Meanwhile, Kenny hates him for, what, being reluctant to kill Larry? Once again, Lee’s reluctance is completely understandable, yet Kenny treats it like some kind of crime against humanity. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
And it's not as though Lee decided to help Larry out of some sort of malicious intent towards Kenny. I admit that killing Larry was necessary, but Kenny’s willingness to let Lee die if he didn’t help him is completely unjustified. Lee may have been mistaken to try to help Larry, but Lee didn't help Larry because he wanted to endanger Kenny, he did it because he wanted to save Larry. Contrast this with Kenny's decision to leave Lee to die from either Danny or the walkers in the drug store. Here, Kenny was making a conscious decision to let Lee die.
And think about this. If you saved someone's family countless times and consistently looked out for them, wouldn't you expect that person's loyalty?
Think about this.
If you saved someone's life, but when your life was in danger, and they don't back you up, like you did for them, would y… moreou still be loyal to that person?
What reason would you have to continue to be loyal to them?
Loyalty is a two-way street.
And if you've been loyal to someone, and they do not return the loyalty, it wouldn't make any sense to continue to be loyal to them.
I can understand Kenny being heavily impacted by killing Larry - because it's the first time he's ever killed a human being, and quite possibly revenge for Larry's initial treatment of his son. But while I can believe him being distrustful of Lee if he never shows any concern for Kenny or his family, that does not excuse the possibility of him letting a little girl remain hostage just because her guardian didn't see eye to eye with Kenny on everything.
What reason would you have to be loyal to someone who didn't have your back? Because you’re a good person who doesn’t want to stand by and l… moreet other people die? The same reason Lee can save Ben, even though he betrayed the group? The same reason Sarah helped Clem, a total stranger? The same reason Molly saved Kenny, even though he tried to shoot her? The same reason Clem saves Luke on the bridge, even though he locked her in a shed?
And if we’re talking just about the meat locker scene, I’d hope that any reasonable person would’ve been understanding of Lee if he didn’t help kill Larry.
First of all, Kenny manages to stop Larry perfectly fine on his own, so he didn’t even need Lee to back him up in the first place. Second of all, why does he care if Lee didn’t back him up this one time? Why does that invalidate every other time Lee has looked out for and protected Kenny and his family? From my point of view, Kenny is the truly disloyal o… [view original content]
My Lee always had Kenny's back, he just didn't agree with everything he said. That's the sticking point with Kenny. Lee would easily put himself out to help Kenny and his family and he did. He put himself in danger twice with the St. Johns to help Kenny's family. He just wasn't going to be his yes man and do everything he wanted no questions asked. But Kenny has this "If you're not with me, you're against me" mentality that just doesn't work. He doesn't know how to compromise. He expects unquestioning loyalty but he doesn't reciprocate. Lee would never treat anyone like that.
Think about this.
If you saved someone's life, but when your life was in danger, and they don't back you up, like you did for them, would y… moreou still be loyal to that person?
What reason would you have to continue to be loyal to them?
Loyalty is a two-way street.
And if you've been loyal to someone, and they do not return the loyalty, it wouldn't make any sense to continue to be loyal to them.
lol @ the brutal killing of Carver. The guy pushed one guy off of a roof without a care in the world, and beat another man to death. You call it brutal, I call it karma.
He got that disctinction from me when he walked away from Lee during his time of need because he didn't kill Ben or Larry. He's made it clear that Clem isn't a special exception in his eyes. I don't expect anything from him except the skill to get out of a bad situations and mood swings.
i don't mind that Kenny was brought back (I always said that he survived) but it should have happened later in the season when Clementine was more attached to the cabin group. That way, if the writers decided to have Clem split between Kenny and Luke it would actually be a bit more like picking between equals, both being family.
And yeah, he took up way to much focus this season (going back to his early return) and his recycled story arc was more than just a little lame. And Kenny acting like a dick to Clementine no matter what she does, saying "just because you're a kid doesn't mean that you can wish away things and people will just forgive you" (why would he even say this? no one has been treating Clementine as a kid this season and she has always accepted the consequences for her actions, so that line really made me question the character and the writing) is just plain annoying and rather than making me fell concerned just made me roll my eyes.
That's not to say there aren't flaws with other characters. Luke? Who's Luke? I've known him for several weeks and I can't tell you anything about the guy. And now I've begun to get off topic...
Still, the character of Kenny was missused this season and that's one of my major gripes.
I love this thread I never liked Kenny. In my first playthrough he never helped me find Clem just because I didn't side with him. He's like a child. I think Clem in some perspectives is more mature than Kenny.
I think the point that his character ark is repeating is because he still wants his family back, he had Sarita replace Katjaa and Clem to replace Duck, until Sarita died.
I wish that Kenny wasn't brought back this season. He's been taking too much of the spotlight this season, leaving little room for other cha… moreracters to get developed. It also bothers me that he is basically repeating his character arc from season 1 all over again in season 2.
Has Kenny detracted away from anything? Well, your mileage may vary, but I'd argue that he's detracted plenty from the story of Season 2. Th… moree explanation behind his return was a complete cop-out, and there was so much focus on him in Episodes 2, 3, and 4, all at the expense of other potentially interesting characters.
Sarita is the most glaring example of Kenny's spotlight hogging. She was essentially created for no other purpose than to be a prop for Kenny's development, just to milk angst from him and his fans. We barely interacted with her. We never learned about her past, her interests or philosophy or character. When she died, how many people's initial thoughts were "Oh no, I feel so bad for Kenny, he's lost so many loved ones!"?
Now, how many people's initial thoughts were "Oh no, I feel horrible for Sarita! She didn't deserve to die such a horrible death..."? Nowhere near as many, I'm certain.
Quoting Strange_Brew here:
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I love this thread I never liked Kenny. In my first playthrough he never helped me find Clem just because I didn't side with him. He's like a child. I think Clem in some perspectives is more mature than Kenny.
I remembered even more Kenny moment. At the beginning of Long Road Ahead if previously you did not agree with him that leaving is the right … morething to do, he comments on the rest of the group saying: "... Carley/Doug will stick with you, just because of that ONE time you saved her/him. And what do I get ? That dip-shit Ben." I did not quote exactly how he called Ben, but it was still an insult. Some people ( Carley/Doug ), unlike Kenny, will appreciate even one thing you did for them. Saving someone's live is, to be fair, the biggest thing you could do for him/her. And it is something that can not be repaid. This just continues to show what kind of a scumbag is Kenny
I remembered even more Kenny moment. At the beginning of Long Road Ahead if previously you did not agree with him that leaving is the right thing to do, he comments on the rest of the group saying: "... Carley/Doug will stick with you, just because of that ONE time you saved her/him. And what do I get ? That dip-shit Ben." I did not quote exactly how he called Ben, but it was still an insult. Some people ( Carley/Doug ), unlike Kenny, will appreciate even one thing you did for them. Saving someone's live is, to be fair, the biggest thing you could do for him/her. And it is something that can not be repaid. This just continues to show what kind of a scumbag is Kenny
I never liked Kenny. He never thinked through his actions. He always overushes, it was happening in season 1 and that is continuing in season 2. He never cared about other people for example Larry. Instead of trying to do something, he just wanted to kill him without even trying to save him. And afterwards he hates you when you try to save a person, but when it was coming for his family he was just delaying the inevitable. And another thing if he really cared about Sarita he wouldn't have left her in the herd so she probably would not end up bitten. And Duck was bitten too when Kenny wasn't near them (okay he was driving the van, so i'm kinda split here if it was his fault or not).
hes not right in the head? wtf, in your nick thread you asked if anyone could post a picture of Nicks fucked up face, youre the one who's not right in the head
I love that you used a subtle message like us 'cumming' in our pants to signify that we let Clementine "get away with anything." Like Clementine's ever done ANYTHING wrong directly to begin with. I bet you were siding with Kenny on episode 4, weren't you?
"How could Clementine kill Kenny's girlfriend? She made Kenny so sad, awwww. Boo Hoo, poor Kenny."
Also, Clementine's not a complete piece of shit like Kenny. Don't compare what she'd have done to what he did.
Let's put aside personal feelings of what he has done in the past. Is he a good survivor? Yes. Is he loyal to the people who are loyal back? Yes. Has he fully embraced the world as it is now and not how it used to be? Yes. And the kicker, does he treat Clementine as a part of his family that he would help no matter what? Yes. ( He berated her one time, but most people who were 11 have gotten berated for less. Kenny truly thought that you didn't even try to help Sarita and in the moment he was drowned with his emotions and lost control for a bit, but in the end he put it aside to help with the task at hand, and that was bring Rebecca's baby into this godforsaken world. The baby gives him and the whole group reason to try and find somewhere safe to raise this baby, and that means the world now. (Except to Jane, she'd rather save her own skin than be loyal to anyone)
Well the mom is dead now dude. The whole group, Clem, Luke, Mike, Bonnie, and Kenny are now responsible for this baby. You seem like the type of person that no matter what he does you hate him. Also have you ever heard of adopting children, it may not be official in this world, but Lee took Clem from her home and treated her as his daughter, and now Kenny is treating Clem and the baby as his family. It's what makes him want to live so give him a break.
I can't excuse him for berating Clem for 'not even trying to help Sarita' because he's much more at fault for A) not being with her and not even being willing to do anything to help her.
Let's put aside personal feelings of what he has done in the past. Is he a good survivor? Yes. Is he loyal to the people who are loyal back?… more Yes. Has he fully embraced the world as it is now and not how it used to be? Yes. And the kicker, does he treat Clementine as a part of his family that he would help no matter what? Yes. ( He berated her one time, but most people who were 11 have gotten berated for less. Kenny truly thought that you didn't even try to help Sarita and in the moment he was drowned with his emotions and lost control for a bit, but in the end he put it aside to help with the task at hand, and that was bring Rebecca's baby into this godforsaken world. The baby gives him and the whole group reason to try and find somewhere safe to raise this baby, and that means the world now. (Except to Jane, she'd rather save her own skin than be loyal to anyone)
Well, you can call him a burden....but he is the only one who was willing to step up and take that beating for Clementine. No one else even looked like they were thinking about it, but he did it without a second thought. I think the man deserves some credit for that. Yeah he gets kinda stupid when he's mad and many of his plans are half-baked(potentially good plans that aren't completely thought out), but I don't think he's the most problematic character at all.
If anything I'd give the title of most problematic to Larry. He almost gets Lee killed in episode 1 and pretty much does nothing useful up until his death.
Well, in Kenny's defense, Larry never cared about anyone but his daughter and Kenny has shown on multiple occasions he cares about people. Larry even tried to get Lee killed in s1e1 but Kenny saved him. So....yeah.
I never liked Kenny. He never thinked through his actions. He always overushes, it was happening in season 1 and that is continuing in seaso… moren 2. He never cared about other people for example Larry. Instead of trying to do something, he just wanted to kill him without even trying to save him. And afterwards he hates you when you try to save a person, but when it was coming for his family he was just delaying the inevitable. And another thing if he really cared about Sarita he wouldn't have left her in the herd so she probably would not end up bitten. And Duck was bitten too when Kenny wasn't near them (okay he was driving the van, so i'm kinda split here if it was his fault or not).
Well, you can call him a burden....but he is the only one who was willing to step up and take that beating for Clementine. No one else even… more looked like they were thinking about it, but he did it without a second thought. I think the man deserves some credit for that. Yeah he gets kinda stupid when he's mad and many of his plans are half-baked(potentially good plans that aren't completely thought out), but I don't think he's the most problematic character at all.
If anything I'd give the title of most problematic to Larry. He almost gets Lee killed in episode 1 and pretty much does nothing useful up until his death.
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Maybe you would have. But I'd rather have just shot him.
If it would have been clementine beating him to death you guys would have been cheering it on, and cumming in your pants.
What reason would you have to be loyal to someone who didn't have your back? Because you’re a good person who doesn’t want to stand by and let other people die? The same reason Lee can save Ben, even though he betrayed the group? The same reason Sarah helped Clem, a total stranger? The same reason Molly saved Kenny, even though he tried to shoot her? The same reason Clem saves Luke on the bridge, even though he locked her in a shed?
And if we’re talking just about the meat locker scene, I’d hope that any reasonable person would’ve been understanding of Lee if he didn’t help kill Larry.
First of all, Kenny manages to stop Larry perfectly fine on his own, so he didn’t even need Lee to back him up in the first place. Second of all, why does he care if Lee didn’t back him up this one time? Why does that invalidate every other time Lee has looked out for and protected Kenny and his family? From my point of view, Kenny is the truly disloyal one, because he let one disagreement completely fracture his view of Lee.
Look at Lilly; if Lee decides to help neither person, Lilly is sympathetic and tells him that she understands that he froze and was unable to take sides. Meanwhile, Kenny hates him for, what, being reluctant to kill Larry? Once again, Lee’s reluctance is completely understandable, yet Kenny treats it like some kind of crime against humanity. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
And it's not as though Lee decided to help Larry out of some sort of malicious intent towards Kenny. I admit that killing Larry was necessary, but Kenny’s willingness to let Lee die if he didn’t help him is completely unjustified. Lee may have been mistaken to try to help Larry, but Lee didn't help Larry because he wanted to endanger Kenny, he did it because he wanted to save Larry. Contrast this with Kenny's decision to leave Lee to die from either Danny or the walkers in the drug store. Here, Kenny was making a conscious decision to let Lee die.
And think about this. If you saved someone's family countless times and consistently looked out for them, wouldn't you expect that person's loyalty?
I had Clem leave with Sarita so... not really, no.
They were both idiots. Why was there no [Grab Gun] from Kenny option like in Episode 2?
I can understand Kenny being heavily impacted by killing Larry - because it's the first time he's ever killed a human being, and quite possibly revenge for Larry's initial treatment of his son. But while I can believe him being distrustful of Lee if he never shows any concern for Kenny or his family, that does not excuse the possibility of him letting a little girl remain hostage just because her guardian didn't see eye to eye with Kenny on everything.
My Lee always had Kenny's back, he just didn't agree with everything he said. That's the sticking point with Kenny. Lee would easily put himself out to help Kenny and his family and he did. He put himself in danger twice with the St. Johns to help Kenny's family. He just wasn't going to be his yes man and do everything he wanted no questions asked. But Kenny has this "If you're not with me, you're against me" mentality that just doesn't work. He doesn't know how to compromise. He expects unquestioning loyalty but he doesn't reciprocate. Lee would never treat anyone like that.
Who did Carver beat to death?
Uh, no. My Clementine is not some vengeful harpy that would take pleasure in beating some guy's face in.
He almost killed Kenny that way. Gave him some brain damage and a really growly voice.
He got that disctinction from me when he walked away from Lee during his time of need because he didn't kill Ben or Larry. He's made it clear that Clem isn't a special exception in his eyes. I don't expect anything from him except the skill to get out of a bad situations and mood swings.
i don't mind that Kenny was brought back (I always said that he survived) but it should have happened later in the season when Clementine was more attached to the cabin group. That way, if the writers decided to have Clem split between Kenny and Luke it would actually be a bit more like picking between equals, both being family.
And yeah, he took up way to much focus this season (going back to his early return) and his recycled story arc was more than just a little lame. And Kenny acting like a dick to Clementine no matter what she does, saying "just because you're a kid doesn't mean that you can wish away things and people will just forgive you" (why would he even say this? no one has been treating Clementine as a kid this season and she has always accepted the consequences for her actions, so that line really made me question the character and the writing) is just plain annoying and rather than making me fell concerned just made me roll my eyes.
That's not to say there aren't flaws with other characters. Luke? Who's Luke? I've known him for several weeks and I can't tell you anything about the guy. And now I've begun to get off topic...
Still, the character of Kenny was missused this season and that's one of my major gripes.
I love this thread I never liked Kenny. In my first playthrough he never helped me find Clem just because I didn't side with him. He's like a child. I think Clem in some perspectives is more mature than Kenny.
I think the point that his character ark is repeating is because he still wants his family back, he had Sarita replace Katjaa and Clem to replace Duck, until Sarita died.
I too would have really liked to see Omid surviving instead of Christa for the reasons you mentioned.
Quite appropriately, Lee even outright tells Kenny "Maybe you should grow the fuck up!" if you tell him off in Around Every Corner.
Sigh, I miss Lee. He would've lost his shit if he saw Kenny rant at Clem
I think Kenny called him "that gangly shit-for-brains" if I remember correctly.
I remembered even more Kenny moment. At the beginning of Long Road Ahead if previously you did not agree with him that leaving is the right thing to do, he comments on the rest of the group saying: "... Carley/Doug will stick with you, just because of that ONE time you saved her/him. And what do I get ? That dip-shit Ben." I did not quote exactly how he called Ben, but it was still an insult. Some people ( Carley/Doug ), unlike Kenny, will appreciate even one thing you did for them. Saving someone's live is, to be fair, the biggest thing you could do for him/her. And it is something that can not be repaid. This just continues to show what kind of a scumbag is Kenny
The Kenny fans are strong with the dislike button.
Downvotes are Kenny's fanbase's most powerful weapon.
Kenny is getting so weird with the baby , like it's his or something ... strange , he's not right in the head
I never liked Kenny. He never thinked through his actions. He always overushes, it was happening in season 1 and that is continuing in season 2. He never cared about other people for example Larry. Instead of trying to do something, he just wanted to kill him without even trying to save him. And afterwards he hates you when you try to save a person, but when it was coming for his family he was just delaying the inevitable. And another thing if he really cared about Sarita he wouldn't have left her in the herd so she probably would not end up bitten. And Duck was bitten too when Kenny wasn't near them (okay he was driving the van, so i'm kinda split here if it was his fault or not).
hes not right in the head? wtf, in your nick thread you asked if anyone could post a picture of Nicks fucked up face, youre the one who's not right in the head
I love that you used a subtle message like us 'cumming' in our pants to signify that we let Clementine "get away with anything." Like Clementine's ever done ANYTHING wrong directly to begin with. I bet you were siding with Kenny on episode 4, weren't you?
"How could Clementine kill Kenny's girlfriend? She made Kenny so sad, awwww. Boo Hoo, poor Kenny."
Also, Clementine's not a complete piece of shit like Kenny. Don't compare what she'd have done to what he did.
oh god no not this again
Let's put aside personal feelings of what he has done in the past. Is he a good survivor? Yes. Is he loyal to the people who are loyal back? Yes. Has he fully embraced the world as it is now and not how it used to be? Yes. And the kicker, does he treat Clementine as a part of his family that he would help no matter what? Yes. ( He berated her one time, but most people who were 11 have gotten berated for less. Kenny truly thought that you didn't even try to help Sarita and in the moment he was drowned with his emotions and lost control for a bit, but in the end he put it aside to help with the task at hand, and that was bring Rebecca's baby into this godforsaken world. The baby gives him and the whole group reason to try and find somewhere safe to raise this baby, and that means the world now. (Except to Jane, she'd rather save her own skin than be loyal to anyone)
Well the mom is dead now dude. The whole group, Clem, Luke, Mike, Bonnie, and Kenny are now responsible for this baby. You seem like the type of person that no matter what he does you hate him. Also have you ever heard of adopting children, it may not be official in this world, but Lee took Clem from her home and treated her as his daughter, and now Kenny is treating Clem and the baby as his family. It's what makes him want to live so give him a break.
Kenny's no foe. This video sums that up perfectly:
I can't excuse him for berating Clem for 'not even trying to help Sarita' because he's much more at fault for A) not being with her and
not even being willing to do anything to help her.
so many feels, ill always remember the good things he did, never the bad.
PS: almost made me cry
Then there's this video that completely justifies why he was angry with Clem and why he's not always rational.
Well, you can call him a burden....but he is the only one who was willing to step up and take that beating for Clementine. No one else even looked like they were thinking about it, but he did it without a second thought. I think the man deserves some credit for that. Yeah he gets kinda stupid when he's mad and many of his plans are half-baked(potentially good plans that aren't completely thought out), but I don't think he's the most problematic character at all.
If anything I'd give the title of most problematic to Larry. He almost gets Lee killed in episode 1 and pretty much does nothing useful up until his death.
Haha, I agree completely.
I'll always stand by Kenny.
even more feels, that guy is a genius, but the guy who made this thread should get saltlicked
(Possibly a double-post, forums are being weird)
Haha, I agree completely.
I'll always stand by Kenny.
if you like fan made trailers then watch this .)
Woah... That was amazing. Almost spoiler-free as well! I'll be sure to show this to my friends in the hope that they'll finally play the game.
Well, in Kenny's defense, Larry never cared about anyone but his daughter and Kenny has shown on multiple occasions he cares about people. Larry even tried to get Lee killed in s1e1 but Kenny saved him. So....yeah.
larry does save Lee if you give him the axe, but yeah i see your point
eaxcly this was how i made my big sister play it