Did Jane Fail? Spoilers
CeaserMartinez
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So idk what she was trying to do, but she tried to show kenny was a psycho, and then died in the process? Can anybody explain WHY she wanted this fight?
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Just wanted to show Clementine that Kenny is a brutal monster when his rage fills him.
After I saved Kenny, and learned Jane hid the baby, I thought she was a bitch and I'm glad I let Kenny kill her....
But that is pretty much ever human in existence?
Possibly, but it was only three of us
And she really thought dieing for it was worth it? Cause she didnt even admit
Not at all. She was right about Kenny. He's a ticking time bomb because he refused to learn to control his anger and stop antagonising people just to have the higher moral ground.
There was no need for Kenny to kill, or try to kill, Jane. At the time she didn't lose the baby on purpose, and it's not as if it was a piece of cake to wander around in a snowstorm with walkers wandering around.
Suppose if Clementine was the one that had lost the baby and met Kenny? He would have done the same to what he did to Jane.
I don't sympathise with him one bit.
He would never hurt Clem. And Jane just lost his son
She never wanted to fight. Kenny had the power, he chose his fate, and he FAILED.
Not if clem doesnt shoot him
Im happy jane did what she did. Kenny wasnt better then Lilly at her low point - killing a member of the group because of somebody else's "death"..would like to see the fans defend this to be honest
Boom!
Alvin Jr? More like Kenny the third. It's not his kid. Jane tried to show that he's too broken. His rage is too much. Mike & Arvo/Mike, Bonnie, and Arvo left BECAUSE Kenny wouldn't see any other way. He cares about AJ more than anyone!
He said it himself.
"I don't trust myself to take care of either of you"
If you shoot him and save Jane
"You made the right choice. I let you down"
It's not that he's bad. He's just broken. And Broken people get reckless. I just wanted Clem to survive.
Honestly, if Kenny didn't try to kill Jane, and just said he was going on his own, I would've sided with him. He didn't even try to hear Jane out.
Considering how he'd rather beat Arvo than start a fire for Clem, I find that statement dubious at best.
And It was Alvin and Rebecca's. It wasn't his. He clearly was protective of it, and that's fine, but can we really assume Clem would be safe from his wrath if she "lost" the baby?
Could not agree more
As soon as Jane returned without the Baby I knew she hid it to show how crazy Kenny was. I killed Kenny, because even though Jane's plan was stupid, it got the point across.
This was different
In my game, Jane failed, not Kanny ;]
Jane just comes off as an insane person. She's about to die and can save herself by just saying "He's alive" and decides not to.
And not only is she willingly throwing her own life away just to prove a point, she is also fine with potentially letting the baby die too: there was a pretty high chance they wouldn't find him after Kenny killed her. They pretty much find him by accident.
How? They both were on edge after losing someone and killed a member of the group because of it,I dont see any differences
She was acting like she did it on purpose. Thats the key, here. If it was an accident... if she just projected that she was SORRY. But she didn't. She acted like she was glad it was gone. And that enraged Kenny, as it would enrage ANY father. And yes, Kenny is/was/will always be that boy's father.
Kenny had a reason
Lilly: Killed someone because SOMEONE was TRYING THEIR BEST to DEFEND the group. Oh, and the someone who died was not the someone guilty of their actions.
Kenny: Killed someone because someone intentionally made us to believe that an innocent baby was dead, for no purpose other than "you mad, bro?"
Completely different. My Kenny is alive. I hugged him. I cried with him. Fare thee well, my knight in shining armor.
Kenny believed Jane was a murderer, and he was stable when he left Lilly to go fend for herself. Knowing that he believed she deliberately killed AJ, he had every right to kill her. What if she "kills" another being to prove a point? She is unstable. Kenny may bad mouth all he wants, but he does protect his group. The group that even got Kenny's original group in trouble in the first place. He lost his good friend Walt, Sarita, Katjaa (forgive my spelling), and his only son. Walt and Sarita's death were led by Clem's group luring him there in the first place.
He has every right to bad mouth all he wants. Jane even provoked him more by mentioning that Kenny's attitude leads the group to failure because of his family. Now she wants to prove her point of his outrage by abandoning a baby in a car and making him believe AJ was killed? Not happening. She's a psycho who wants to ditch everything for dead and keep Clementine to herself as a replacement for her sister.
I feel sorry for her, but she had to die.
To make things more interesting, if you have Clem tell the family to leave in a harsh manner, Jane praises her for it. Jane is making Clem a lone wolf group ditcher. That's not the true Clem I know and Lee would've been disappointed. Clementine does mention a line said by Lee, but it was misinterpreted in a selfish way.
She succeeded in showing how twisted she was. We already knew that Kenny was having trouble keeping it together and all she did was continue to provoke him until the very end.
It was honestly because she wanted to show that Kenny is very dangerous. But really? You are going to pretend you let the baby die? Just so you can have an excuse to kill him? That's really fucked up in my book. And just to prove a point?
Kenny didn't want to kill Jane... his mind did.
We all know Kenny is suffering from extreme grief, not only does Jane throw this in his face by continuously mentioning his family and Sarita, but she pretends to kill the last bit of hope in his life. Of course he lashed out. Jane exploited and manipulative Kenny's major fault, she knew he would kill her. She also knew Clem would see and would never forget it. Who do you chose?
Evil, Manipulative Jane OR Genuinely Grieving, Caring Kenny
Kenny's actions aren't justifiable but they are at least understandable. What Jane does is completely dumb and doesn't make any sense. She knew that if she dies, the baby will probably die too since she's the only one who knows where it is and everybody else thinks it's dead.
But it's probably an oversight from the developers.
Kenny needed to stop thinking that he knew what was best for the kid.
He also needed to realize that Alvin Jr was not the ONLY living thing in the group.
So did Lilly. Lol, she never got a chance to save her father. Good ol' Kenny always knows was best. Lilly can basically mirror Kenny. You piss off broken people, and they can kill you. But Jane was trying to point out that Kenny is beyond broken.. turns out, she's right.
Come on, you can't seriously think Jane left the baby to spite Kenny.
As soon as she said I should trust her I knew what was going on. I was never much of a Kenny supporter, I only supported him on the Wellington thing, but I decided to shoot him cause he went coo coo and went to far with beating up Jane
Someone who cares enough about you came back SOLELY to protect and be with you?
Or
Someone who has good intentions, but never lived up to his words. Seriously, Clem falls in the fucking ice and all he does is beat the shit out of Arvo?
So she sacrificed her own life AND risked the life of the baby just to prove a point? That's not right nor wrong, that just doesn't make any sense.
Seriously, plot convenience is all it is. "We really want this conflict to happen but we've wasted too much time on a bunch of undeveloped characters so now we have to force it in the last minute and hope nobody notices how it doesn't make any sense". That's the vibe I got from this ending and the game in general.
Someone who wants Clem's guardian to lose their **** so she can prove her point. In the process mentally scaring her for life.
OR
Someone who beats up Arvo because he got Luke killed and nearly got Clementine killed.
She wasn't expecting to die she wasn't even expecting Kenny to go as far to kill her. She says it herself if you shot Kenny.
That was the entirety of her plan...
There was plenty time to beat the shit out of Arvo AFTER he started the fire for someone he supposedly cares about who just fell through frozen lake.
Sorry man, that's a pretty weak excuse.
He's literally on top of her trying to stick a knife into her chest. You'd think this would change her expectations.
...That's exactly what she did.
No she didn't look at her fake facial expressions. Shes showing guilt not pride.
Well then yea. But I meant when she made her plan to provoke Kenny she wasn't expecting that far of a response.
Remember this is Kenny, I think he was right to try and deal with the threat before he could do anything else. Anyway, couldn't Mike, Bonnie or Jane have started the fire?
Do THEY not care about Clem?