Yes, but Arvo had been beaten by Kenny if he went to slow or took to long. If I was Arvo, I'd have gone across the lake too. I wouldn't want to be beaten again.
She never say she KILLED the baby. She said the baby didn't made it. I suspected the freezing weather and bad feeding took its price when she said that.But Kenny was trying to push people into killing him since Sarita.
It was actually 2 days and both Mike & Bonnie wanted to go to different location with Mike wanting to go to Texas and Bonnie wanted to go back to the hardware store. Come to think of it, that was the only time he lashed when people disagreed with him.
But he acted like Clem stole his medicine and named her as the culprit when it was Jane that took the gun but even when you showed him kindness by not taking his medicine, he wanted to take everything they had over a gun he didn't know how to use. You can say it was Jane & Clem's fault but the whole group got bullets fired at them and yet Mike, Bonnie and the hypocrite Jane are surprised Kenny is made at Arvo.
My bad. But Jane kept her details vague & short, she was baiting and wanted a violent reaction from him as if she was a matador and Kenny was the bull. Kenny went overboard but most if not all of the blame goes to Jane.
* Okay sorry about that
* I'll give you this one for that "one situation". I think episode 4 to 5 have some slight inconsistency. Since e… moreveryone was heading to Wellington in the first place. Then Mike and Bonnie decide to change their mind and totally forget about the original plan.
* If you don't steal the medicine he asks for his gun doesn't he? I thought he said something along lines "wheres Jane" (she stole the gun). Yep Arvo was a stupid and cocky.
* I never acted like Jane was innocent. If you look at my past conversations with you. I merely said that she didn't imply she killed the baby. I even say she was wrong for baiting Kenny like she did.
No, no, you don't understand me. Maybe "drop" wasn't the right word for it. I don't mean in like: "Oh, I am surrounded by walkers, better drop the Baby so I can escape." That WOULD be fucked up. I meant she's falling down and the Baby slips out of her hands. You understand me now? Not voluntarily dropping the Baby, but accidentally losing the Baby while falling. Jane doesn't love the baby, it's not her's, she doesn't have some maternal feelings like mother have where if the child is threatened they become stronger and more agile. A Mother would most likely manage to hold the Baby by pure instinct, but not Jane.
And how is that unlikely? there was a freaking SNOWSTORM going on, you barley could see your hands in front of your face. How then is it unlikely to drip over some rocks or something else that's in the way? Have you ever experienced a Snow or Sandstorm? I am 99% sure you haven't. Again, if you think you are perfect, fine, but most people ain't. I am pretty sure that you too would be barely able to hold the Baby while running away from Walkers in a Snowstorm, if at all. And you saying you'd fight it off makes it sound like fighting walker is easy as pie. In a Snowstorm. While surrounded by other Walker... Riiiight, you really think much of yourself, don't you?
I admit, even then she'd had to bear some responsibilities. But not enough, by far, to justify her murder.
And it wasn't THAT clear what happened. Yes, I admit, my first thought was that she dropped the Baby on purpose to escape the Walkers, but that still does not justify murder without a trial or at least a hearing. And hell, even if, IF she'd had done that, murder does not justify murder. It's the first thing children learn, at least here in Europa, that one wrong doesn't justify another wrong. I know there is a similar saying in English, but I forgot. If you go down to her Level, you are not really better than her.
You can't just go around and murder people because you !suspect! they might have done something bad, especially if there is no proof and he/she says it was an accident. Again, that's how people like Carver see the world. And I am sure that most people wouldn't like that.
I am pretty sure if Kenny would have been killed because someone suspected that he did something bad, you'd complain, but because you don't like Jane, it's okay in her case, right?
In that extremely unlikely case, she'd still be held responsible, and not be unscathed either. I certainly wouldn't drop a baby. And if a walker was near the baby, I'd fight it off.
Again, it was pretty clear what happened.
He can't see the future, as far as Arvo knows going around would take long, Kenny would beat him, his people had walked over this water time and time again. They'd been fine.
If you blame Arvo you'll have to equally Blame both Kenny and Bonnie. Otherwise, you've officially ran out of argument.
He can't see the future, as far as Arvo knows going around would take long, Kenny would beat him, his people had walked over this water time… more and time again. They'd been fine.
If you blame Arvo you'll have to equally Blame both Kenny and Bonnie. Otherwise, you've officially ran out of argument.
The only time this season? Episode? I'm pretty sure Kenny has lashed out at people more times then once.
Well I was just saying that its sort of Clem and Jane's fault Arvo came back with goons. I get why Kenny's mad at Arvo i just don't agree with his method of showing so.
This is the part I don't think will ever agree on. But that's okay. I blame both Jane and Kenny equally. Truly I can go either way on shooting Kenny or looking away.
* That's alright.
* It was actually 2 days and both Mike & Bonnie wanted to go to different location with Mike wanting to go to Texas… more and Bonnie wanted to go back to the hardware store. Come to think of it, that was the only time he lashed when people disagreed with him.
* But he acted like Clem stole his medicine and named her as the culprit when it was Jane that took the gun but even when you showed him kindness by not taking his medicine, he wanted to take everything they had over a gun he didn't know how to use. You can say it was Jane & Clem's fault but the whole group got bullets fired at them and yet Mike, Bonnie and the hypocrite Jane are surprised Kenny is made at Arvo.
* My bad. But Jane kept her details vague & short, she was baiting and wanted a violent reaction from him as if she was a matador and Kenny was the bull. Kenny went overboard but most if not all of the blame goes to Jane.
Tryna show that Kenny is a psycho? Is that REALLY the reason....or is it that she wants clem for herself...because she reminds jane of her little sister.....
Let's be honest.... JANE and KENNY are YING/YANG....LIGHT and DARK...Kenny is all about together.... Jane is all about Alone...with clem.
Kenny is not a psycho...why? He's hot headed...but not psycho. Define psycho. Because he wants to protect his group...but the group don't understand his background (from season 1), he lost lot of people...specially his family. Therefore the group betrayed him. Season 1 that's how he acted...similar way...aggressive to protect....like larry situation.
NOBODY should be provoked in any manner just to obtain some satisfaction. If you seen kenny's ending...you know he made a sacrifice to send Clem and the baby to wellington fort...alone or not alone...he cared about them.... so how is that define kenny as a psycho? He may not be like Lee...thinking rationale fully...but his intention was good...
For Jane...why provoke to show who kenny really is? WTF? CLEM ALREADYS KNOWS who KENNY is...since season 1...
You could still have pulled the trigger after he killed Jane. and move on with AJ. but I understand you. was hard for me too. it was sad .. but I think it was better that way. The man is at peace with Katja and Duck now.
I look forward to seeing your thread. and yeah! Luke all the way! a real friend and brother to Clem!
Yeah this is where the infamous 'power of the stache' comments come in. It all came down to not wanting Clem to pull the trigger on another … moreman she counted as family. I couldnt make her do it again and this means Kenny lives.
I will be making a thread about the whole Jane vs zkenny thing because I feel strongly about the fact that neither are justified at all.. It's all personal choice, and for me, I am with you. Luke all the way.
Screw em both, Luke and I can raise AJ. Fuck all the emotional wrecks.
I could have, but man, in the dream sequence, Clem says she doesn't want to hurt anybody. The feels were on me and I couldn't have. I think it was better to let him go back to his family.
It's up, and I argue Kenny and Jane are the exact same broken down!
You could still have pulled the trigger after he killed Jane. and move on with AJ. but I understand you. was hard for me too. it was sad .. … morebut I think it was better that way. The man is at peace with Katja and Duck now.
I look forward to seeing your thread. and yeah! Luke all the way! a real friend and brother to Clem!
Tryna show that Kenny is a psycho? Is that REALLY the reason....or is it that she wants clem for herself...because she reminds jane of her l… moreittle sister.....
Let's be honest.... JANE and KENNY are YING/YANG....LIGHT and DARK...Kenny is all about together.... Jane is all about Alone...with clem.
Kenny is not a psycho...why? He's hot headed...but not psycho. Define psycho. Because he wants to protect his group...but the group don't understand his background (from season 1), he lost lot of people...specially his family. Therefore the group betrayed him. Season 1 that's how he acted...similar way...aggressive to protect....like larry situation.
NOBODY should be provoked in any manner just to obtain some satisfaction. If you seen kenny's ending...you know he made a sacrifice to send Clem and the baby to wellington fort...alone or not alone...he cared about them.... so how is that define kenny as a psycho? He may not be like Lee...thinkin… [view original content]
Jane is also very open-minded. She does things for Clementine. Like going down and trying to save Sarah...
Kenny, he just tells Clementine she's being brainwashed. Oh good ol' Commie Ken.
Here's a question: IF jane was scared...WTF did she continue to go with kenny and clem? It appears Clem didn't have much problem with Kenny all this...there were some incidents that clem did question him...but other than ....nope. Jane had no right to influence clem...clem knows kenny lot better than stupid jane.
Honestly, Jane did the right thing in my eyes. True, she could have handled the actual plan in a much better way, but she had to act in the… more moment an her plan was all she had. Jane was truly scared for clementine because clem did not see just how broken kenny actually was. Jane acted out of fear, fear that clementine was in danger and sadly could not see it. Who's to say what Kenny would have done if jane had not exposed who he truly was to clem. You can (determinant) get kenny to attack clem several times throughout the episode when he is in one of his blind rages. Ask yourself this, if Kenny had not been a character in season one, would anyone have chosen him over jane. I'm willing to bet that many people would have chosen jane if that were the case. Though that is not the case, jane was right when she said that eventually clem would have to decide just how much her past with kenny meant to her.
What reason there is to kill someone? I am a Lilly dan but I still disagreed with her killing Carley.All of the Kenny fans hated Lilly for it well there u go,Kenny is also a killer.
In my dream sequence things were different from what I had chosen in S01.
Lily was in the RV. But I left her on the road.
Clemmy was wearing that red jacket. and I remember that at the end of my S01. she was with her standard white dress.
They talked about Doug's death. and in my game I saved Carley.
Is this normal? it happened to you too?
I didn't care much because I knew it was a dream and wouldn't necessarily have a direct relationship with reality. but I admit it was strange and left me a bit upset.. : (
I could have, but man, in the dream sequence, Clem says she doesn't want to hurt anybody. The feels were on me and I couldn't have. I think … moreit was better to let him go back to his family.
It's up, and I argue Kenny and Jane are the exact same broken down!
Oh dear. You may not want to hear it, but it seems like your season one save was randomized. What were you playing on? It would appear your save hasn't been imported. I had everything exactly as I left it in season one, I'd say it was an issue.
Gah, this was the first time it made a difference, I guess it doesnt make a big deal with your choices? But I get how you feel!
Speaking of it. let me ask you something.
In my dream sequence things were different from what I had chosen in S01.
* Lily was in th… moree RV. But I left her on the road.
* Clemmy was wearing that red jacket. and I remember that at the end of my S01. she was with her standard white dress.
* They talked about Doug's death. and in my game I saved Carley.
Is this normal? it happened to you too?
I didn't care much because I knew it was a dream and wouldn't necessarily have a direct relationship with reality. but I admit it was strange and left me a bit upset.. : (
I played Season 01. then 400 Days. all with the same save. and then imported the save for S02. the game found my S01 save without problems.
Everything seemed very normal. things didn't seem random to me. everything my Clem said about Lee corresponded with what I had chosen from S01. such as the fact that she mention that Lee had told her to keep her hair short. That was really what I told her. the things Kenny said about Lee also didn't seem random. I helped him with Duck's death. and that was exactly what he told me in S02.
The dream sequence was the only time that things were not in agreement with my S01. everything else was ok.
Oh dear. You may not want to hear it, but it seems like your season one save was randomized. What were you playing on? It would appear your … moresave hasn't been imported. I had everything exactly as I left it in season one, I'd say it was an issue.
Gah, this was the first time it made a difference, I guess it doesnt make a big deal with your choices? But I get how you feel!
That's not the case-- She was manipulating Clem into shooting Kenny so that she'd have her all for herself... She's no better than Kenny and Kennys no better than her. If you wait instead of shooting Kenny she'll look towards Clem and say 'Clem... Help.' Instead of even trying to say anything about AJ to calm Kenny down, it's obvious... I saved her on my first playthrough and came to realise her ploy late, though.
The above could just be BAD writing, but I doubt it, telltale wouldn't slip so far.
At the beginning of the fight Jane originally never wanted Kenny dead. She wanted Clem to leave with her and leave Kenny behind, alive. She … moresays, "I was just...going to try to talk you into coming with me. I just thought if you saw Kenny like that...you'd know we'd have to leave him." She took out her knife only after Kenny took a punch at her. And then Jane puts her knife away!, saying, "Don't you come near me, you son of a bitch." She didn't want to fight, even though she knew she was getting one. But then after they'd exchanged a few blows, if Clem says, "Jane, back off!" Jane says, "It's time to put this crusty piece of shit out of his misery." This is the point where Jane has decided that, like others have said, Kenny would've killed Jane if AJ had died accidentally. What if that had been the case? Kenny confirms this later when he says, "I'll fuckin' kill you!" revealing his intention. Also note Jane's words--she's going to put Kenny "o… [view original content]
Going down and trying to save Sarah....hmm.... let's play episode 4 again....something tells me that Jane wanted Clem to forget about her and move on and not save her...because Jane had a sister (if your decision was not to save her in the house).
Otherwise...Jane was hesitant to save her when part of the building fell off...and sarah was on the ground...
Jane is also very open-minded. She does things for Clementine. Like going down and trying to save Sarah...
Kenny, he just tells Clementine she's being brainwashed. Oh good ol' Commie Ken.
Jane was manipulative. Of course she was; she literally wanted a reaction out of Kenny. But she it wasn't her intention to manipulate Clem into becoming a murderer and killing Kenny. Jane needed Clem to see what would happen if Kenny was put in this situation. But she wouldn't carry on that charade to the point of death.
Let me bring one detail to your attention that I haven't seen anyone else mention:
Jane when Kenny first gets the knife:
Jane after Kenny gets the knife but hasn't killed her yet:
See that little red bloodstain over Jane's heart that wasn't there before? That's where Jane had already been stabbed just a little bit by Kenny before Jane had pushed the knife away (happens at 3:45 in the link below). At this point, Jane isn't dead yet, and the knife is back in the air, not in her flesh at all. But the knife had already pierced her skin for goodness' sake! Go back and watch the video, I'll wait: 3:23. If there was ever a time for Jane to tell the truth, it would be now, after she had been partially stabbed and clearly on the edge of death! She says, "Clem...help," not because she wants to manipulate Clem into killing Kenny. Jane says that because she's afraid of Kenny killing her! I guess she could've just frozen up and not said anything bc she's so close to death, but gah, it's just so typical that she can't say anything now...
That's not the case-- She was manipulating Clem into shooting Kenny so that she'd have her all for herself... She's no better than Kenny and… more Kennys no better than her. If you wait instead of shooting Kenny she'll look towards Clem and say 'Clem... Help.' Instead of even trying to say anything about AJ to calm Kenny down, it's obvious... I saved her on my first playthrough and came to realise her ploy late, though.
The above could just be BAD writing, but I doubt it, telltale wouldn't slip so far.
Seeing as nothing else seemed to change, I'd say forget about it, so long as all the choices transferred over properly, except the dream sequence. I think there's a technical support thread, do ask about it here
It's really, really strange.
I played Season 01. then 400 Days. all with the same save. and then imported the save for S02. the game fou… morend my S01 save without problems.
Everything seemed very normal. things didn't seem random to me. everything my Clem said about Lee corresponded with what I had chosen from S01. such as the fact that she mention that Lee had told her to keep her hair short. That was really what I told her. the things Kenny said about Lee also didn't seem random. I helped him with Duck's death. and that was exactly what he told me in S02.
The dream sequence was the only time that things were not in agreement with my S01. everything else was ok.
I deleted both games and my saves. and I'm playing it all over again. to have a completely clean savefile. and I must tell you. S01 is soo amazing!! ^^
I had to rewind S02/EP4 sometimes. maybe that messed up the save file somehow. but now that I already know exactly all my choices this is no longer necessary.
but if something happens again I will visit this thread you indicated. thanks.
That's really weird!
Seeing as nothing else seemed to change, I'd say forget about it, so long as all the choices transferred over properly, except the dream sequence. I think there's a technical support thread, do ask about it here
So then after she knocked him down she pulls it out again and slashes kenny across his stomach. Kenny was wrong but so was Jane. Playing the is Kenny crazy game was her idea. Both had faults and both were stupid resulting in lives lost one way or the other. Why do people insist on making either the hero?? Neither person was justified in doing what they did as it lead to a little girl choosing who gets to keep breathing. Both are good people hardened/changed by what they have gone through but in the end both are now determinant and you can ask Doug/Carley/Nick/Alvin and Sarah how well that works out for them. Stop trying to find the right choice or someone to blame. Is it a surprise to anyone that Clementine is the only semi-sane person?? Cause if so you haven't been paying much attention lol:)
Jane is the one who escalated this into a fight to the death by pulling a knife.
And after she got away from Kenny she sheathed it again - at which point Kenny hurled himself at her.
So then after she knocked him down she pulls it out again and slashes kenny across his stomach. Kenny was wrong but so was Jane. Playing the… more is Kenny crazy game was her idea. Both had faults and both were stupid resulting in lives lost one way or the other. Why do people insist on making either the hero?? Neither person was justified in doing what they did as it lead to a little girl choosing who gets to keep breathing. Both are good people hardened/changed by what they have gone through but in the end both are now determinant and you can ask Doug/Carley/Nick/Alvin and Sarah how well that works out for them. Stop trying to find the right choice or someone to blame. Is it a surprise to anyone that Clementine is the only semi-sane person?? Cause if so you haven't been paying much attention lol:)
Hahaha sure you should, we got time till season three!
I recently replayed over the summer with my younger sister and we cried like babies when we shot Lee. It was like my 5th time seeing it and the tears came. I think I need a break from those feels until season three hahaha
Don't worry!
I deleted both games and my saves. and I'm playing it all over again. to have a completely clean savefile. and I must tell … moreyou. S01 is soo amazing!! ^^
I had to rewind S02/EP4 sometimes. maybe that messed up the save file somehow. but now that I already know exactly all my choices this is no longer necessary.
but if something happens again I will visit this thread you indicated. thanks.
Oh Yeah! and you can be sure that I'm already preparing myself for this moment. I ended EP03 yesterday and when the train started approaching Savanah. I took a deep breath and said to myself, Alright! here we go again.
Every time I see that last scene, it's impossible not get my eyes teary. is so heart-crushing!
Hahaha sure you should, we got time till season three!
I recently replayed over the summer with my younger sister and we cried like babie… mores when we shot Lee. It was like my 5th time seeing it and the tears came. I think I need a break from those feels until season three hahaha
Let's hope nothing mess up this time!!
Did he lash out in the same way he lashed out at Mike & Bonnie?
And yet Jane refuses to accept responsibility yet the whole group would blame Kenny for a unfortunate event, Who is gonna be nice to someone that nearly had them killed? All Kenny did was push & shove Arvo, it's only when Arvo said "fuck you" is when Kenny decided to beat him.
Kenny overreacted but the blame falls mostly on Jane. She's more twisted & unstable than Kenny and is possibly suicidal. She became a judge yet she's no different herself.
* The only time this season? Episode? I'm pretty sure Kenny has lashed out at people more times then once.
* Well I was just saying that … moreits sort of Clem and Jane's fault Arvo came back with goons. I get why Kenny's mad at Arvo i just don't agree with his method of showing so.
* This is the part I don't think will ever agree on. But that's okay. I blame both Jane and Kenny equally. Truly I can go either way on shooting Kenny or looking away.
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He would have been beaten less, if not at all for not getting Luke killed.
that means the baby "died" without full explanation....
At first I assumed Jane used AJ as walker bait so she could get away. I knew what happened when she said trust her.
That's alright.
It was actually 2 days and both Mike & Bonnie wanted to go to different location with Mike wanting to go to Texas and Bonnie wanted to go back to the hardware store. Come to think of it, that was the only time he lashed when people disagreed with him.
But he acted like Clem stole his medicine and named her as the culprit when it was Jane that took the gun but even when you showed him kindness by not taking his medicine, he wanted to take everything they had over a gun he didn't know how to use. You can say it was Jane & Clem's fault but the whole group got bullets fired at them and yet Mike, Bonnie and the hypocrite Jane are surprised Kenny is made at Arvo.
My bad. But Jane kept her details vague & short, she was baiting and wanted a violent reaction from him as if she was a matador and Kenny was the bull. Kenny went overboard but most if not all of the blame goes to Jane.
No, no, you don't understand me. Maybe "drop" wasn't the right word for it. I don't mean in like: "Oh, I am surrounded by walkers, better drop the Baby so I can escape." That WOULD be fucked up. I meant she's falling down and the Baby slips out of her hands. You understand me now? Not voluntarily dropping the Baby, but accidentally losing the Baby while falling. Jane doesn't love the baby, it's not her's, she doesn't have some maternal feelings like mother have where if the child is threatened they become stronger and more agile. A Mother would most likely manage to hold the Baby by pure instinct, but not Jane.
And how is that unlikely? there was a freaking SNOWSTORM going on, you barley could see your hands in front of your face. How then is it unlikely to drip over some rocks or something else that's in the way? Have you ever experienced a Snow or Sandstorm? I am 99% sure you haven't. Again, if you think you are perfect, fine, but most people ain't. I am pretty sure that you too would be barely able to hold the Baby while running away from Walkers in a Snowstorm, if at all. And you saying you'd fight it off makes it sound like fighting walker is easy as pie. In a Snowstorm. While surrounded by other Walker... Riiiight, you really think much of yourself, don't you?
I admit, even then she'd had to bear some responsibilities. But not enough, by far, to justify her murder.
And it wasn't THAT clear what happened. Yes, I admit, my first thought was that she dropped the Baby on purpose to escape the Walkers, but that still does not justify murder without a trial or at least a hearing. And hell, even if, IF she'd had done that, murder does not justify murder. It's the first thing children learn, at least here in Europa, that one wrong doesn't justify another wrong. I know there is a similar saying in English, but I forgot. If you go down to her Level, you are not really better than her.
You can't just go around and murder people because you !suspect! they might have done something bad, especially if there is no proof and he/she says it was an accident. Again, that's how people like Carver see the world. And I am sure that most people wouldn't like that.
I am pretty sure if Kenny would have been killed because someone suspected that he did something bad, you'd complain, but because you don't like Jane, it's okay in her case, right?
He can't see the future, as far as Arvo knows going around would take long, Kenny would beat him, his people had walked over this water time and time again. They'd been fine.
If you blame Arvo you'll have to equally Blame both Kenny and Bonnie. Otherwise, you've officially ran out of argument.
His people didn't have a baby, a child and an injured person.
I'll blame Bonnie for anything, and she did get Luke killed if you decided to cover.
But why should I blame Kenny for Luke's death?
The only time this season? Episode? I'm pretty sure Kenny has lashed out at people more times then once.
Well I was just saying that its sort of Clem and Jane's fault Arvo came back with goons. I get why Kenny's mad at Arvo i just don't agree with his method of showing so.
This is the part I don't think will ever agree on. But that's okay. I blame both Jane and Kenny equally. Truly I can go either way on shooting Kenny or looking away.
Tryna show that Kenny is a psycho? Is that REALLY the reason....or is it that she wants clem for herself...because she reminds jane of her little sister.....
Let's be honest.... JANE and KENNY are YING/YANG....LIGHT and DARK...Kenny is all about together.... Jane is all about Alone...with clem.
Kenny is not a psycho...why? He's hot headed...but not psycho. Define psycho. Because he wants to protect his group...but the group don't understand his background (from season 1), he lost lot of people...specially his family. Therefore the group betrayed him. Season 1 that's how he acted...similar way...aggressive to protect....like larry situation.
NOBODY should be provoked in any manner just to obtain some satisfaction. If you seen kenny's ending...you know he made a sacrifice to send Clem and the baby to wellington fort...alone or not alone...he cared about them.... so how is that define kenny as a psycho? He may not be like Lee...thinking rationale fully...but his intention was good...
For Jane...why provoke to show who kenny really is? WTF? CLEM ALREADYS KNOWS who KENNY is...since season 1...
You could still have pulled the trigger after he killed Jane. and move on with AJ. but I understand you. was hard for me too. it was sad .. but I think it was better that way. The man is at peace with Katja and Duck now.
I look forward to seeing your thread. and yeah! Luke all the way! a real friend and brother to Clem!
I could have, but man, in the dream sequence, Clem says she doesn't want to hurt anybody. The feels were on me and I couldn't have. I think it was better to let him go back to his family.
It's up, and I argue Kenny and Jane are the exact same broken down!
yeah but jane tried to change clementines opinion about him and she died in the process lol
There needed to be a choice to abandon Kenny & Alvin Jr. Kenny destroyed the group because of the baby.
Just knock the hell out of Kenny, take the supplies and leave AJ behind
Jane is also very open-minded. She does things for Clementine. Like going down and trying to save Sarah...
Kenny, he just tells Clementine she's being brainwashed. Oh good ol' Commie Ken.
Kenny was right so
If you appeal to Jane she does the exact same.
Right in his own little twisted psychotic mind.
I liked Season 1 Kenny, not Season 2 Kenny
Here's a question: IF jane was scared...WTF did she continue to go with kenny and clem? It appears Clem didn't have much problem with Kenny all this...there were some incidents that clem did question him...but other than ....nope. Jane had no right to influence clem...clem knows kenny lot better than stupid jane.
What reason there is to kill someone? I am a Lilly dan but I still disagreed with her killing Carley.All of the Kenny fans hated Lilly for it well there u go,Kenny is also a killer.
Speaking of it. let me ask you something.
In my dream sequence things were different from what I had chosen in S01.
Lily was in the RV. But I left her on the road.
Clemmy was wearing that red jacket. and I remember that at the end of my S01. she was with her standard white dress.
They talked about Doug's death. and in my game I saved Carley.
Is this normal? it happened to you too?
I didn't care much because I knew it was a dream and wouldn't necessarily have a direct relationship with reality. but I admit it was strange and left me a bit upset.. : (
Oh dear. You may not want to hear it, but it seems like your season one save was randomized. What were you playing on? It would appear your save hasn't been imported. I had everything exactly as I left it in season one, I'd say it was an issue.
Gah, this was the first time it made a difference, I guess it doesnt make a big deal with your choices? But I get how you feel!
It's really, really strange.
I played Season 01. then 400 Days. all with the same save. and then imported the save for S02. the game found my S01 save without problems.
Everything seemed very normal. things didn't seem random to me. everything my Clem said about Lee corresponded with what I had chosen from S01. such as the fact that she mention that Lee had told her to keep her hair short. That was really what I told her. the things Kenny said about Lee also didn't seem random. I helped him with Duck's death. and that was exactly what he told me in S02.
The dream sequence was the only time that things were not in agreement with my S01. everything else was ok.
That's not the case-- She was manipulating Clem into shooting Kenny so that she'd have her all for herself... She's no better than Kenny and Kennys no better than her. If you wait instead of shooting Kenny she'll look towards Clem and say 'Clem... Help.' Instead of even trying to say anything about AJ to calm Kenny down, it's obvious... I saved her on my first playthrough and came to realise her ploy late, though.
The above could just be BAD writing, but I doubt it, telltale wouldn't slip so far.
+1 my brotha lol.
Going down and trying to save Sarah....hmm.... let's play episode 4 again....something tells me that Jane wanted Clem to forget about her and move on and not save her...because Jane had a sister (if your decision was not to save her in the house).
Otherwise...Jane was hesitant to save her when part of the building fell off...and sarah was on the ground...
Jane was manipulative. Of course she was; she literally wanted a reaction out of Kenny. But she it wasn't her intention to manipulate Clem into becoming a murderer and killing Kenny. Jane needed Clem to see what would happen if Kenny was put in this situation. But she wouldn't carry on that charade to the point of death.
Let me bring one detail to your attention that I haven't seen anyone else mention:
Jane when Kenny first gets the knife:
Jane after Kenny gets the knife but hasn't killed her yet:
See that little red bloodstain over Jane's heart that wasn't there before? That's where Jane had already been stabbed just a little bit by Kenny before Jane had pushed the knife away (happens at 3:45 in the link below). At this point, Jane isn't dead yet, and the knife is back in the air, not in her flesh at all. But the knife had already pierced her skin for goodness' sake! Go back and watch the video, I'll wait:
3:23. If there was ever a time for Jane to tell the truth, it would be now, after she had been partially stabbed and clearly on the edge of death! She says, "Clem...help," not because she wants to manipulate Clem into killing Kenny. Jane says that because she's afraid of Kenny killing her! I guess she could've just frozen up and not said anything bc she's so close to death, but gah, it's just so typical that she can't say anything now...
That's really weird!
Seeing as nothing else seemed to change, I'd say forget about it, so long as all the choices transferred over properly, except the dream sequence. I think there's a technical support thread, do ask about it here
Don't worry!
I deleted both games and my saves. and I'm playing it all over again. to have a completely clean savefile. and I must tell you. S01 is soo amazing!! ^^
I had to rewind S02/EP4 sometimes. maybe that messed up the save file somehow. but now that I already know exactly all my choices this is no longer necessary.
but if something happens again I will visit this thread you indicated. thanks.
So then after she knocked him down she pulls it out again and slashes kenny across his stomach. Kenny was wrong but so was Jane. Playing the is Kenny crazy game was her idea. Both had faults and both were stupid resulting in lives lost one way or the other. Why do people insist on making either the hero?? Neither person was justified in doing what they did as it lead to a little girl choosing who gets to keep breathing. Both are good people hardened/changed by what they have gone through but in the end both are now determinant and you can ask Doug/Carley/Nick/Alvin and Sarah how well that works out for them. Stop trying to find the right choice or someone to blame. Is it a surprise to anyone that Clementine is the only semi-sane person?? Cause if so you haven't been paying much attention lol:)
Which comes after her sheathing the knife and telling Kenny that she would not back down - aka, if you start this, be prepared to finish it.
Hahaha sure you should, we got time till season three!
I recently replayed over the summer with my younger sister and we cried like babies when we shot Lee. It was like my 5th time seeing it and the tears came. I think I need a break from those feels until season three hahaha
Let's hope nothing mess up this time!!
Oh Yeah! and you can be sure that I'm already preparing myself for this moment. I ended EP03 yesterday and when the train started approaching Savanah. I took a deep breath and said to myself, Alright! here we go again.
Every time I see that last scene, it's impossible not get my eyes teary. is so heart-crushing!
Did he lash out in the same way he lashed out at Mike & Bonnie?
And yet Jane refuses to accept responsibility yet the whole group would blame Kenny for a unfortunate event, Who is gonna be nice to someone that nearly had them killed? All Kenny did was push & shove Arvo, it's only when Arvo said "fuck you" is when Kenny decided to beat him.
Kenny overreacted but the blame falls mostly on Jane. She's more twisted & unstable than Kenny and is possibly suicidal. She became a judge yet she's no different herself.
telling clem not to follow someone blindly is not brainwashing.