Not that he was a brutal monster when his rage fills him, that he's too broken. He's clinging on to that baby more than anything. That he would snapped on Clem if something happened to AJ.
I don't have that much of a problem with her plan, I have a problem with the fact that she stuck with it even after it was clear that she's risking two lives for no good reason. At that point she stopped being a believable character and became a plot device.
We're talking about Kenny's motivation here, not anyone elses. After knowing her for so long, you would think he would be the first to jump at the chance to save her life. There is an option to say "I'm freezing" in Kenny's direction while he is pummeling Arvo. I doubt that was intended to be directed at at anyone else BUT him. She WANTS Kenny to start the fire for her as a way to try to get him to calm down and stop beating on the kid, but it seems his priorities were elsewhere.
Remember this is Kenny, I think he was right to try and deal with the threat before he could do anything else. Anyway, couldn't Mike, Bonnie or Jane have started the fire?
Do THEY not care about Clem?
Lilly killed a person that was standing up for herself because she was being bullied by her.
Jane shows up and gives off an impression she killed the baby, pulls out a knife ready for a fight, she was pushing and pushing him until she finally got her wish. She put a baby in danger just to prove a point.
Can't understand why Lilly fans would think what Kenny did was the same as what Lilly did.
Im happy jane did what she did. Kenny wasnt better then Lilly at her low point - killing a member of the group because of somebody else's "death"..would like to see the fans defend this to be honest
Kenny's priority is AJ and Clem, but he probably thought like I said that someone else would deal with Clem, seeing as no-one would dare touch Arvo. Kenny just lost Luke and nearly Clementine. For a grieving man, I'd say he handled himself well by NOT killing Arvo.
We're talking about Kenny's motivation here, not anyone elses. After knowing her for so long, you would think he would be the first to jump … moreat the chance to save her life. There is an option to say "I'm freezing" in Kenny's direction while he is pummeling Arvo. I doubt that was intended to be directed at at anyone else BUT him. She WANTS Kenny to start the fire for her as a way to try to get him to calm down and stop beating on the kid, but it seems his priorities were elsewhere.
Yeah I hear that. The only explanation I can come up for that is that at a certain point (in the fight) she believed that Kenny wouldn't have listened to her reason (the truth).
I don't have that much of a problem with her plan, I have a problem with the fact that she stuck with it even after it was clear that she's … morerisking two lives for no good reason. At that point she stopped being a believable character and became a plot device.
No fuck Jane. She risked AJs life to prove a point. An INNOCENT BABY. She not only picked the worst possible time, she knowingly provoked Kenny. What was the fucking point Jane? Congrats you died to prove yourself right have a cookie. Seriously bitch.
When kenny accused her of killing the baby she said "it was an accident". Im pretty sure that was her plan, Jane fucked it up...really bad. She be Low IQ.
Not at all. She was right about Kenny. He's a ticking time bomb because he refused to learn to control his anger and stop antagonising peopl… moree just to have the higher moral ground.
There was no need for Kenny to kill, or try to kill, Jane. At the time she didn't lose the baby on purpose, and it's not as if it was a piece of cake to wander around in a snowstorm with walkers wandering around.
Suppose if Clementine was the one that had lost the baby and met Kenny? He would have done the same to what he did to Jane.
I don't sympathise with him one bit.
Someone who wants Clem's guardian to lose their **** so she can prove her point. In the process mentally scaring her for life.
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Someone who beats up Arvo because he got Luke killed and nearly got Clementine killed.
Kenny's priority is AJ and Clem, but he probably thought like I said that someone else would deal with Clem, seeing as no-one would dare tou… morech Arvo. Kenny just lost Luke and nearly Clementine. For a grieving man, I'd say he handled himself well by NOT killing Arvo.
Lilly killed a person that was standing up for herself because she was being bullied by her.
Jane shows up and gives off an impression sh… moree killed the baby, pulls out a knife ready for a fight, she was pushing and pushing him until she finally got her wish. She put a baby in danger just to prove a point.
Can't understand why Lilly fans would think what Kenny did was the same as what Lilly did.
Honestly, Jane did the right thing in my eyes. True, she could have handled the actual plan in a much better way, but she had to act in the moment an her plan was all she had. Jane was truly scared for clementine because clem did not see just how broken kenny actually was. Jane acted out of fear, fear that clementine was in danger and sadly could not see it. Who's to say what Kenny would have done if jane had not exposed who he truly was to clem. You can (determinant) get kenny to attack clem several times throughout the episode when he is in one of his blind rages. Ask yourself this, if Kenny had not been a character in season one, would anyone have chosen him over jane. I'm willing to bet that many people would have chosen jane if that were the case. Though that is not the case, jane was right when she said that eventually clem would have to decide just how much her past with kenny meant to her.
No fuck Jane. She risked AJs life to prove a point. An INNOCENT BABY. She not only picked the worst possible time, she knowingly provoked Ke… morenny. What was the fucking point Jane? Congrats you died to prove yourself right have a cookie. Seriously bitch.
Someone who wants Clem's guardian to lose their **** so she can prove her point. In the process mentally scaring her for life.
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Someone who beats up Arvo because he got Luke killed and nearly got Clementine killed.
Kenny believed Jane was a murderer, and he was stable when he left Lilly to go fend for herself. Knowing that he believed she deliberately k… moreilled AJ, he had every right to kill her. What if she "kills" another being to prove a point? She is unstable. Kenny may bad mouth all he wants, but he does protect his group. The group that even got Kenny's original group in trouble in the first place. He lost his good friend Walt, Sarita, Katjaa (forgive my spelling), and his only son. Walt and Sarita's death were led by Clem's group luring him there in the first place.
He has every right to bad mouth all he wants. Jane even provoked him more by mentioning that Kenny's attitude leads the group to failure because of his family. Now she wants to prove her point of his outrage by abandoning a baby in a car and making him believe AJ was killed? Not happening. She's a psycho who wants to ditch everything for dead and keep Clementine to herself as a replac… [view original content]
Jane's plan succeded but far more than she expected. She proved that when Kenny's mad he doesnt think right. It's like his alter-ego that takes over him. I think she wanted Clementine to see that soo that she can be at her side and abandon Kenny. I think she wanted a new Jaime. Someone to look after.
Kenny thou never meant any harm to Clementine. It's the real Kenny who could surrender and calm his alter-ego when Carver had Clem on gunpoint. It's him who could gave his life just to try to save some shitbird Ben. It's him who wanted only to Clem and AJ to be safe at Wellington even if that meant him wandering alone. It's him who admited his insanity and either lived or died with awareness of it.
After watching all endings i feel guilty for killing that man. But as some wise pimp said "Sometimes all of your option's are shit".
For someone who was all about survival i doubt Jane was trying to kill herself. She was probably just excepting a harsh beating. I think when Kenny got that final upper hand that when she was like "oh shit hes really gonna kill me".
Jane just comes off as an insane person. She's about to die and can save herself by just saying "He's alive" and decides not to.
And not on… morely is she willingly throwing her own life away just to prove a point, she is also fine with potentially letting the baby die too: there was a pretty high chance they wouldn't find him after Kenny killed her. They pretty much find him by accident.
As soon as Jane returned without the Baby I knew she hid it to show how crazy Kenny was. I killed Kenny, because even though Jane's plan was stupid, it got the point across.
She wasn't explaining herself properly, all she said was it was an "accident" and nothing more, no details on what happened and Jane has a history of leaving people so it's understandable why Kenny would feel she didn't protect the baby. Either way, she instigated it and wanted a reaction from him even going as far as putting a baby's life at risk just to prove a point.
http://www.telltalegames.com/community/discussion/80753/kenny-i-love-him-more-than-i-ever-did?new=1
I made some points here, I'm too lazy to write them again >_>
Kenny didn't exactly give her a chance to explain. An "accident" implies an "accident" not the purposeful abandonment of a baby. I understand what Kenny was thinking but he just went over the top. Jane however was purposely baiting the bull. None of them were in the right mind.
She wasn't explaining herself properly, all she said was it was an "accident" and nothing more, no details on what happened and Jane has a h… moreistory of leaving people so it's understandable why Kenny would feel she didn't protect the baby. Either way, she instigated it and wanted a reaction from him even going as far as putting a baby's life at risk just to prove a point.
I have no fucking idea. I was as filled with rage as Kenny when I thought she threw the baby to the walkers or something. Unbelievable that she went that far just to prove a point. I'm glad she paid with her life.
Imagine Clem being the cause of AJ's death. Clem is not as strong as Jane and Kenny has physically harmed Clem. If you picked Jane, Kenny got rough with Clem.
It would still have either starved to death, died of hypothermia, of bacteria in it's pampers (yes, that even is possible) or suffocated. You can't put Kenny as the only bad guy. Jane knew exactly what would happen if something went southways, and she knew what Kenny would do (not the killing part though)
I have no fucking idea. I was as filled with rage as Kenny when I thought she threw the baby to the walkers or something. Unbelievable that she went that far just to prove a point. I'm glad she paid with her life.
But that's all she says, nothing else more then pulls out a knife and tells him she's not scared of him instead of telling him what actually happened to the baby. Jane knew how much Kenny cared for the baby and took advantage of this to toy with him. At any moment she could've told him the truth but she dragged it on and let him die thinking the baby is dead. Kenny reacted how any father would, Jane on the other hand is unstable & crazy.
Kenny didn't exactly give her a chance to explain. An "accident" implies an "accident" not the purposeful abandonment of a baby. I understan… mored what Kenny was thinking but he just went over the top. Jane however was purposely baiting the bull. None of them were in the right mind.
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Not that he was a brutal monster when his rage fills him, that he's too broken. He's clinging on to that baby more than anything. That he would snapped on Clem if something happened to AJ.
Didn't Jane also leave the truck turned on to keep the baby warm?
She left the baby, but not for the sole reason to spite Ken
Fuck Jane and Arvo and Bonnie and Mike
Yes, well probably, but i think it's more about how easily he is triggered and suspects people without conversation. He just skips RIGHT to violence.
I don't have that much of a problem with her plan, I have a problem with the fact that she stuck with it even after it was clear that she's risking two lives for no good reason. At that point she stopped being a believable character and became a plot device.
We're talking about Kenny's motivation here, not anyone elses. After knowing her for so long, you would think he would be the first to jump at the chance to save her life. There is an option to say "I'm freezing" in Kenny's direction while he is pummeling Arvo. I doubt that was intended to be directed at at anyone else BUT him. She WANTS Kenny to start the fire for her as a way to try to get him to calm down and stop beating on the kid, but it seems his priorities were elsewhere.
Lilly killed a person that was standing up for herself because she was being bullied by her.
Jane shows up and gives off an impression she killed the baby, pulls out a knife ready for a fight, she was pushing and pushing him until she finally got her wish. She put a baby in danger just to prove a point.
Can't understand why Lilly fans would think what Kenny did was the same as what Lilly did.
Yeah, but we already KNEW that. There was no point in showing us that.
Kenny's priority is AJ and Clem, but he probably thought like I said that someone else would deal with Clem, seeing as no-one would dare touch Arvo. Kenny just lost Luke and nearly Clementine. For a grieving man, I'd say he handled himself well by NOT killing Arvo.
She left the baby to do exactly that. She tells you that after you kill Kenny.
Yeah I hear that. The only explanation I can come up for that is that at a certain point (in the fight) she believed that Kenny wouldn't have listened to her reason (the truth).
No fuck Jane. She risked AJs life to prove a point. An INNOCENT BABY. She not only picked the worst possible time, she knowingly provoked Kenny. What was the fucking point Jane? Congrats you died to prove yourself right have a cookie. Seriously bitch.
When kenny accused her of killing the baby she said "it was an accident". Im pretty sure that was her plan, Jane fucked it up...really bad. She be Low IQ.
That's human nature.
http://www.telltalegames.com/community/discussion/80753/kenny-i-love-him-more-than-i-ever-did?new=1
I made some points here, I'm too lazy to write them again >_>
Clem's guardian? Please.. Clementine was Kenny's guardian.
The point being.. Clementine is freezing to the point of Hypothermia and the only thing he does is beat the shit out of Arvo.
Jane, along with Mike, are the ones who start a fire..
She never gave the impression she killed the baby. She gave the impression baby was either dead or lost.
Honestly, Jane did the right thing in my eyes. True, she could have handled the actual plan in a much better way, but she had to act in the moment an her plan was all she had. Jane was truly scared for clementine because clem did not see just how broken kenny actually was. Jane acted out of fear, fear that clementine was in danger and sadly could not see it. Who's to say what Kenny would have done if jane had not exposed who he truly was to clem. You can (determinant) get kenny to attack clem several times throughout the episode when he is in one of his blind rages. Ask yourself this, if Kenny had not been a character in season one, would anyone have chosen him over jane. I'm willing to bet that many people would have chosen jane if that were the case. Though that is not the case, jane was right when she said that eventually clem would have to decide just how much her past with kenny meant to her.
Wasn't AJ inside a truck? Which was turned on to keep him warm?
Now, please.. tell me exactly how did Arvo get Luke killed?
No one has the right to kill someone if their is no proof...and especially if you don't even try to listen.
It really was a hard choice.
Jane's plan succeded but far more than she expected. She proved that when Kenny's mad he doesnt think right. It's like his alter-ego that takes over him. I think she wanted Clementine to see that soo that she can be at her side and abandon Kenny. I think she wanted a new Jaime. Someone to look after.
Kenny thou never meant any harm to Clementine. It's the real Kenny who could surrender and calm his alter-ego when Carver had Clem on gunpoint. It's him who could gave his life just to try to save some shitbird Ben. It's him who wanted only to Clem and AJ to be safe at Wellington even if that meant him wandering alone. It's him who admited his insanity and either lived or died with awareness of it.
After watching all endings i feel guilty for killing that man. But as some wise pimp said "Sometimes all of your option's are shit".
actually Jane failed in my playthrough!!
For someone who was all about survival i doubt Jane was trying to kill herself. She was probably just excepting a harsh beating. I think when Kenny got that final upper hand that when she was like "oh shit hes really gonna kill me".
She removes the only hope a emotionally broken man has to prove that? Gee, she must feel incredible.
She wasn't explaining herself properly, all she said was it was an "accident" and nothing more, no details on what happened and Jane has a history of leaving people so it's understandable why Kenny would feel she didn't protect the baby. Either way, she instigated it and wanted a reaction from him even going as far as putting a baby's life at risk just to prove a point.
Arvo took them across an icy lake.
Of course there was another way around, its a lake not a river!
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She abandoned a hopeless baby for a period of time.she didn't know how long. In mu opinion, when it's out of sight in this world it is in danger.
She failed her own test. Did you see how she dug her fingers into Kenny's wounds? I never trusted her, and she paid for her ignorance.
Kenny didn't exactly give her a chance to explain. An "accident" implies an "accident" not the purposeful abandonment of a baby. I understand what Kenny was thinking but he just went over the top. Jane however was purposely baiting the bull. None of them were in the right mind.
kenny is worse! i love kenny! but he's just going way too far sometimes poor jane....
I'd go insane too if she killed the baby.
I have no fucking idea. I was as filled with rage as Kenny when I thought she threw the baby to the walkers or something. Unbelievable that she went that far just to prove a point. I'm glad she paid with her life.
Imagine Clem being the cause of AJ's death. Clem is not as strong as Jane and Kenny has physically harmed Clem. If you picked Jane, Kenny got rough with Clem.
It would still have either starved to death, died of hypothermia, of bacteria in it's pampers (yes, that even is possible) or suffocated. You can't put Kenny as the only bad guy. Jane knew exactly what would happen if something went southways, and she knew what Kenny would do (not the killing part though)
Yeah really. You can tell she was just making a plan to kill Kenny.
But that's all she says, nothing else more then pulls out a knife and tells him she's not scared of him instead of telling him what actually happened to the baby. Jane knew how much Kenny cared for the baby and took advantage of this to toy with him. At any moment she could've told him the truth but she dragged it on and let him die thinking the baby is dead. Kenny reacted how any father would, Jane on the other hand is unstable & crazy.