She only admitted it because she got what she wanted(She was stupid enough to keep quiet until the bitter end for petes sake...) and she had to do quick damage control to hopefully appease Clem enough to complete her sick plan....
Didn't she admit that the whole plan was stupid after you shoot Kenny and find AJ in the truck? To be honest, they were both pretty insane and did really stupid things.
Yes. I have NO doubt in mind if something happened to the baby while under Clem's watch, Kenny would have her head.
No doubt about it. The minute that baby was born he stuck onto to it and I immediately realized if something happens to that kid, Kenny won't be able to take it anymore.
The thing is, Kenny isn't special. Every character has lost more than one person that they've cared for, family or friends. And everyone is thinking about the baby. That's what the whole argument was about. Going back would have enabled them to feed and warm and care for the baby. Kenny wanted to risk even its life on his hunch, and when no one agreed with him, he turned violent and tried to force it.
Kenny was unhinged, prone to blowing his fuse and causing even more problems than are currently going on. Frankly, I'm miffed that there is no option to confront him about his behavior sooner and let it get out of hand to the point where everyone died, because no one could trust each other, because Kenny can't control his emotions.
And then he tries to just apologize about it later. "I'm sorry, it was just one of my episodes. Oh, someone said something smart-aleck? He needs a bullet in his head 'cause he's a danger to everyone."
Kenny would have fucked that baby up, and even Jane could see that. She did what she had to do. Both Clem and Kenny cared about that baby. And they both reacted differently. Clem didn't lash out. Predictably, Kenny did. Just as he has all episode, and just as he did all season. It was his way, or the highway. Get in his way you get killed.
Sounds like (as the game all but outright said (or maybe it did, it was an emotional roller coaster)) another antagonist we just offed in episode 3 who wanted to bully people around and thought that what he did was always the right thing to do, in the guise of keeping people safe. If you were against that, you were a threat.
With hindsight we know she hid the baby. But was killing Jane the "logical" thing to do? Or was it an emotional rage out because this psychopath can't keep his feelings in check, and merely lashes out at causes and sticks to his rigid thinking? If the baby really did die (probably from the cold, probably because Jane dropped it when she was attacked), how would that have been the fault of Jane? And if it did happen, this would have been the same result.
Kenny himself even acknowledges it on his deathbed, commenting on how he was seeking this all along (probably why he tried to save Ben, heroic sacrifice, but managed to live through it, probably because he was a fan favorite (for some reason)). He knows he is unstable and unable to control himself, and while laying dyeing, he's glad he can finally be rid of the pain.
My Lee was not a Kenny ass-kisser. He like him in his own way (mostly for the sake of cooperation, but he did a lot for the family). Often he found himself at odds with how Kenny acted, going along with his plans for lack of anything better to do (and still managed to convince Kenny to help him look for Clem in Season 1 Episode 5). Lee would have wanted to send the baby back to be cared for while he and a group kept going to find this supposed haven Or would have set out to find it after setting up a base of operations.
Jane saw the game railroading Clem to follow and support Kenny and did the only thing she could to prove her point. And she was right. I can't blame her for that.
Long post is long. Got the Jane ending and emotions are running high. The Kenny worship slash Arvo bashing around here is staggering, and I just wanted to vent and counter some of the, frankly a little disturbing comments, and you just gave me the fire to do so =P
* Doesn't matter he was more than willing to do it.
* Ah ah ah, don't hide behind the excuse of bad writing, whether or not it was, it st… moreill happened and the point still stands.
* Well duh? Would you rather allow him to let people endanger the baby or Clementine???? Parents have that kind of mentality all the time, harm their children they either WILL beat your ass or give you a stern warning, severely endanger them or kill them accident or not AND you're right in front of them fresh after the incident, Emotions will go wild and best believe if noone holds them back YOUR LIFE is on the line...Again...I totally understand Kennys mentality...
But Ask yourself is it so wrong to be so protective that you would kill the offender who would intentionally endanger or harm a defenseless baby or anyone who'd do the same to someone else you really care for???
Yes. I have NO doubt in mind if something happened to the baby while under Clem's watch, Kenny would have her head.
No doubt about it. Th… moree minute that baby was born he stuck onto to it and I immediately realized if something happens to that kid, Kenny won't be able to take it anymore.
Jane, a hero in my book!
Please respect my opinion
I wouldn't try to rip their heads off. I would ask why they did it. If Kenny had calmed down and listened to Jane's side of the story, her plan would've COMPLETELY blown up in her face.
And yes, it is wrong. Kenny needed to realize AJ was not the ONLY living thing in the group. Definitely the most vulnerable, but not the only one in need of safety.
But Ask yourself is it so wrong to be so protective that you would kill the offender who would intentionally endanger or harm a defenseless baby or anyone who'd do the same to someone else you really care for???
Jane was trying to prove her point about Kenny, while that point was honestly a little trivial. However, I do not think Lee would do something like that to another person unless they were an immediate danger, which Jane wasn't.
Jane also had EVERY OPPORTUNITY to confess especially when she was close to death, trust me when I say while Kenny is a hell of a lot more e… moremotionally reckless(A huge part of the reason people judge him so) than Lee ever was Lee would have done the same if Jane did what she did for Clementine or anyone else he grow a strong bond with.
That's one way of looking at it. I like to point out that her whole plan was thought up in a matter of minutes so she probably didn't think it all through. She had an idea and ran with it without a second thought about what might happen.
She only admitted it because she got what she wanted(She was stupid enough to keep quiet until the bitter end for petes sake...) and she had to do quick damage control to hopefully appease Clem enough to complete her sick plan....
Ha ha ha, after everything he's been through and all the loss he's dealt with and combined with the fact that that woman was egging him on and ripping into him something fierce the entire time, I totally understand why his emotions and rage got the better of him when from his point of view she got one of the people he was actively trying to protect get killed.
Also To Kenny Clem and Aj WERE the most important LIVING thing in the group to him and he was determined to ensure no more of his loved ones die.....You shouldn't fault him for that just because his methods were considered mean or too much, as long as he didn't go so far as to hurt physically the ones was trying to protect, then fear is a price to pay and his actions were justified.
I wouldn't try to rip their heads off. I would ask why they did it. If Kenny had calmed down and listened to Jane's side of the story, her p… morelan would've COMPLETELY blown up in her face.
And yes, it is wrong. Kenny needed to realize AJ was not the ONLY living thing in the group. Definitely the most vulnerable, but not the only one in need of safety.
I can. And will. His emotions are justified. The way he handles them, and lashes out violently despite all protests to reason? That's his fault. That's his conscious decision, fueled by emotion or not. We tried to reason with him, but all had were either insane raging, or apologies. He was the dog in the beginning. Seemed friendly, ultimately hostile, and ended up needing to be put out of his misery.
That's the point. He thinks he knows better than everyone else. Suppose Mike & Bonnie tagged along to Wellington, they find out they can't get in, how mad will they be? Mike & Bonnie were WILLING to let Arvo shoot Clementine because of Kenny. They feared that man so much, they decided to abandon Clementine.
It depends on your mentality. To me, I like to work as a team. I like everyone's opinion and no one to be berated for it. Which is exactly what Kenny did. His story was SOOO forced.. Each episode was "Calm Kenny down he's getting reckless". It happened in Season 1 Episode 4, Season 1 Episode 5 ... AND Season 2 Episodes 2-5. Kenny and Lee works for me, but not Kenny and Clem. Not by a longshot. At least Lee can beat some sense into Kenny.
I guess that's the whole point of My Clementine, isn't it? I didn't value the baby's life as much as other people did. Which is why I chose Jane over Kenny. We all have our own opinions
Ha ha ha, after everything he's been through and all the loss he's dealt with and combined with the fact that that woman was egging him on a… morend ripping into him something fierce the entire time, I totally understand why his emotions and rage got the better of him when from his point of view she got one of the people he was actively trying to protect get killed.
Also To Kenny Clem and Aj WERE the most important LIVING thing in the group to him and he was determined to ensure no more of his loved ones die.....You shouldn't fault him for that just because his methods were considered mean or too much, as long as he didn't go so far as to hurt physically the ones was trying to protect, then fear is a price to pay and his actions were justified.
That's the point. He thinks he knows better than everyone else. Suppose Mike & Bonnie tagged along to Wellington, they find out they can… more't get in, how mad will they be? Mike & Bonnie were WILLING to let Arvo shoot Clementine because of Kenny. They feared that man so much, they decided to abandon Clementine.
It depends on your mentality. To me, I like to work as a team. I like everyone's opinion and no one to be berated for it. Which is exactly what Kenny did. His story was SOOO forced.. Each episode was "Calm Kenny down he's getting reckless". It happened in Season 1 Episode 4, Season 1 Episode 5 ... AND Season 2 Episodes 2-5. Kenny and Lee works for me, but not Kenny and Clem. Not by a longshot. At least Lee can beat some sense into Kenny.
I guess that's the whole point of My Clementine, isn't it? I didn't value the baby's life as much as other people did. Which is why I chose Jane over Kenny. We all have our own opinions
Which would've shown that Kenny was a little more sane that Jane had originally thought, making her change her mind about him. Seriously though, it was both of their fault. If Jane hadn't provoked Kenny with this stupid plan, and if Kenny had just listen instead of going on a rage, then they would have avoided this whole conflict.
I wouldn't try to rip their heads off. I would ask why they did it. If Kenny had calmed down and listened to Jane's side of the story, her p… morelan would've COMPLETELY blown up in her face.
And yes, it is wrong. Kenny needed to realize AJ was not the ONLY living thing in the group. Definitely the most vulnerable, but not the only one in need of safety.
Pffft no. She was placing her life on the line with the hope that Clem would put more of a worth on her life than Kennys. Remember the speec… moreh she gave Clem previous about there's gonna come a time when she's gonna have to determine how much Kenny's life was worth??? She wasn't trying to warn Clem of Crap she was just being out of line and manipulative for her own selfish benefit.
Listen to what ? "No I didn't kill him" ? That's exactly what a baby killer would say, so if Kenny believes she is, no wonder he doesn't listen to that.
But how about : "Kenny, you fucking psycho, the baby is ALIVE ! He's in the car, safe and sound, I wanted to show Clementine how dangerous you could be." Now that would have immediately de-escalated the whole conflict !
When the fight brings them outside there are 20 full seconds during which Kenny is slowly retreating from her. It was already obvious this had gone too far, and she had plenty of time to tell the truth. He actually listens to what she says, as he replies to her ("just go" - "I ain't going nowhere !").
Jane didn't want to stop Kenny's rage. She wanted it to go all the way. She started this situation, and halfway through she had the opportunity to put an end to this, she was the only one able to stop it, but she refused. Yet at this point she would have proven her point to Clementine. Without nobody having to die.
Which would've shown that Kenny was a little more sane that Jane had originally thought, making her change her mind about him. Seriously tho… moreugh, it was both of their fault. If Jane hadn't provoked Kenny with this stupid plan, and if Kenny had just listen instead of going on a rage, then they would have avoided this whole conflict.
Oh, you people love taking that quote out of context.
That's if you say that "Maybe you [Lee and the group] shouldn't have done that [gone through Savannah] for me", Kenny says "Don't ever say that again, don't make me slap you."
She was feeling guilty for what she made Omid, Christa, Kenny, Ben (if alive)... and Lee go through for her, but Kenny says that as in "of course it was worth rescuing you, don't be a fucking retard" short of way.
She is a fucking stupid bitch she doesn't know Kenny like we do she thinks he is gonna end up like carver but we all know he never would because he want's to protect his loved ones that's what people like jane never would see she thinks kenny is crazy and tricks kenny into making him think she let AJ die that bitch i chose kenny i knew she would plan this up fuck jane
She saved her from the monster insane murderer that was Kenny. And he THANKS Clem for doing it, what more proof do you need people?
Clem and Jane are better off without that monster.
Oh, you people love taking that quote out of context.
That's if you say that "Maybe you [Lee and the group] shouldn't have done that [gon… moree through Savannah] for me", Kenny says "Don't ever say that again, don't make me slap you."
She was feeling guilty for what she made Omid, Christa, Kenny, Ben (if alive)... and Lee go through for her, but Kenny says that as in "of course it was worth rescuing you, don't be a fucking retard" short of way.
"Sorry I annoyed you with my politically-incorrect way to boost a little girls' morale after getting her best friend killed."
I should find a smaller version of this meme...
The plan itself was cunning enough, manipulating Kenny to reveal his darkside and forcing Clementine to kill him- that is, if she succeeds on the Clementine part, but that was a big risk. And she apparently underestimated how much of a fight Kenny would put up. To be honest, I don't know why she didn't just shout out that the baby was indeed alive once she started losing the battle. I guess she trusted Clementine to save her. But that was, again, a huge risk, forcing her to choose like that. In the end I'd still say it was more on the side of stupid, rather than smart. The risk was just too big.
She was smart in the fourth one, but dumb in the fifth one. She started the fight between kenny and her because of "proving a point". i made the mistake of being on her side 2 much on the last two episodes. mainly case i always forgave her
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She only admitted it because she got what she wanted(She was stupid enough to keep quiet until the bitter end for petes sake...) and she had to do quick damage control to hopefully appease Clem enough to complete her sick plan....
Yes. I have NO doubt in mind if something happened to the baby while under Clem's watch, Kenny would have her head.
No doubt about it. The minute that baby was born he stuck onto to it and I immediately realized if something happens to that kid, Kenny won't be able to take it anymore.
Jane, a hero in my book!
Please respect my opinion
The thing is, Kenny isn't special. Every character has lost more than one person that they've cared for, family or friends. And everyone is thinking about the baby. That's what the whole argument was about. Going back would have enabled them to feed and warm and care for the baby. Kenny wanted to risk even its life on his hunch, and when no one agreed with him, he turned violent and tried to force it.
Kenny was unhinged, prone to blowing his fuse and causing even more problems than are currently going on. Frankly, I'm miffed that there is no option to confront him about his behavior sooner and let it get out of hand to the point where everyone died, because no one could trust each other, because Kenny can't control his emotions.
And then he tries to just apologize about it later. "I'm sorry, it was just one of my episodes. Oh, someone said something smart-aleck? He needs a bullet in his head 'cause he's a danger to everyone."
Kenny would have fucked that baby up, and even Jane could see that. She did what she had to do. Both Clem and Kenny cared about that baby. And they both reacted differently. Clem didn't lash out. Predictably, Kenny did. Just as he has all episode, and just as he did all season. It was his way, or the highway. Get in his way you get killed.
Sounds like (as the game all but outright said (or maybe it did, it was an emotional roller coaster)) another antagonist we just offed in episode 3 who wanted to bully people around and thought that what he did was always the right thing to do, in the guise of keeping people safe. If you were against that, you were a threat.
With hindsight we know she hid the baby. But was killing Jane the "logical" thing to do? Or was it an emotional rage out because this psychopath can't keep his feelings in check, and merely lashes out at causes and sticks to his rigid thinking? If the baby really did die (probably from the cold, probably because Jane dropped it when she was attacked), how would that have been the fault of Jane? And if it did happen, this would have been the same result.
Kenny himself even acknowledges it on his deathbed, commenting on how he was seeking this all along (probably why he tried to save Ben, heroic sacrifice, but managed to live through it, probably because he was a fan favorite (for some reason)). He knows he is unstable and unable to control himself, and while laying dyeing, he's glad he can finally be rid of the pain.
My Lee was not a Kenny ass-kisser. He like him in his own way (mostly for the sake of cooperation, but he did a lot for the family). Often he found himself at odds with how Kenny acted, going along with his plans for lack of anything better to do (and still managed to convince Kenny to help him look for Clem in Season 1 Episode 5). Lee would have wanted to send the baby back to be cared for while he and a group kept going to find this supposed haven Or would have set out to find it after setting up a base of operations.
Jane saw the game railroading Clem to follow and support Kenny and did the only thing she could to prove her point. And she was right. I can't blame her for that.
Long post is long. Got the Jane ending and emotions are running high. The Kenny worship slash Arvo bashing around here is staggering, and I just wanted to vent and counter some of the, frankly a little disturbing comments, and you just gave me the fire to do so =P
But Ask yourself is it so wrong to be so protective that you would kill the offender who would intentionally endanger or harm a defenseless baby or anyone who'd do the same to someone else you really care for???
I wouldn't try to rip their heads off. I would ask why they did it. If Kenny had calmed down and listened to Jane's side of the story, her plan would've COMPLETELY blown up in her face.
And yes, it is wrong. Kenny needed to realize AJ was not the ONLY living thing in the group. Definitely the most vulnerable, but not the only one in need of safety.
Jane was trying to prove her point about Kenny, while that point was honestly a little trivial. However, I do not think Lee would do something like that to another person unless they were an immediate danger, which Jane wasn't.
That's one way of looking at it. I like to point out that her whole plan was thought up in a matter of minutes so she probably didn't think it all through. She had an idea and ran with it without a second thought about what might happen.
Ha ha ha, after everything he's been through and all the loss he's dealt with and combined with the fact that that woman was egging him on and ripping into him something fierce the entire time, I totally understand why his emotions and rage got the better of him when from his point of view she got one of the people he was actively trying to protect get killed.
Also To Kenny Clem and Aj WERE the most important LIVING thing in the group to him and he was determined to ensure no more of his loved ones die.....You shouldn't fault him for that just because his methods were considered mean or too much, as long as he didn't go so far as to hurt physically the ones was trying to protect, then fear is a price to pay and his actions were justified.
I can. And will. His emotions are justified. The way he handles them, and lashes out violently despite all protests to reason? That's his fault. That's his conscious decision, fueled by emotion or not. We tried to reason with him, but all had were either insane raging, or apologies. He was the dog in the beginning. Seemed friendly, ultimately hostile, and ended up needing to be put out of his misery.
That's the point. He thinks he knows better than everyone else. Suppose Mike & Bonnie tagged along to Wellington, they find out they can't get in, how mad will they be? Mike & Bonnie were WILLING to let Arvo shoot Clementine because of Kenny. They feared that man so much, they decided to abandon Clementine.
It depends on your mentality. To me, I like to work as a team. I like everyone's opinion and no one to be berated for it. Which is exactly what Kenny did. His story was SOOO forced.. Each episode was "Calm Kenny down he's getting reckless". It happened in Season 1 Episode 4, Season 1 Episode 5 ... AND Season 2 Episodes 2-5. Kenny and Lee works for me, but not Kenny and Clem. Not by a longshot. At least Lee can beat some sense into Kenny.
I guess that's the whole point of My Clementine, isn't it? I didn't value the baby's life as much as other people did. Which is why I chose Jane over Kenny. We all have our own opinions
Indeed and that's what makes the series so enjoyable don't you think?
Fuck yeah. No more Kenny!
Which would've shown that Kenny was a little more sane that Jane had originally thought, making her change her mind about him. Seriously though, it was both of their fault. If Jane hadn't provoked Kenny with this stupid plan, and if Kenny had just listen instead of going on a rage, then they would have avoided this whole conflict.
News Flash: Kenny threatened to slap Clementine in the newest episode.
Well this thread seems dead and i've been on vacation sooooo bye
Jane was a generally smart person who at some point did something extremely stupid.
Stupid.
I mean her morals were kind of in the right place, but her execution was absolutely stupid - in my opinion.
Very stupid. A shame, 'cuz she was smart about most things.
Listen to what ? "No I didn't kill him" ? That's exactly what a baby killer would say, so if Kenny believes she is, no wonder he doesn't listen to that.
But how about : "Kenny, you fucking psycho, the baby is ALIVE ! He's in the car, safe and sound, I wanted to show Clementine how dangerous you could be." Now that would have immediately de-escalated the whole conflict !
When the fight brings them outside there are 20 full seconds during which Kenny is slowly retreating from her. It was already obvious this had gone too far, and she had plenty of time to tell the truth. He actually listens to what she says, as he replies to her ("just go" - "I ain't going nowhere !").
Jane didn't want to stop Kenny's rage. She wanted it to go all the way. She started this situation, and halfway through she had the opportunity to put an end to this, she was the only one able to stop it, but she refused. Yet at this point she would have proven her point to Clementine. Without nobody having to die.
Kenny and Jane were the 2 stupidest characters of the entire TWD universe.
Jane wanted Clem to kill kenny.
She was being selfish and stupid. It made me hate her, but I still forgave her which sucks because I shouldn't have.
Oh, you people love taking that quote out of context.
That's if you say that "Maybe you [Lee and the group] shouldn't have done that [gone through Savannah] for me", Kenny says "Don't ever say that again, don't make me slap you."
She was feeling guilty for what she made Omid, Christa, Kenny, Ben (if alive)... and Lee go through for her, but Kenny says that as in "of course it was worth rescuing you, don't be a fucking retard" short of way.
She is a fucking stupid bitch she doesn't know Kenny like we do she thinks he is gonna end up like carver but we all know he never would because he want's to protect his loved ones that's what people like jane never would see she thinks kenny is crazy and tricks kenny into making him think she let AJ die that bitch i chose kenny i knew she would plan this up fuck jane
Lee: Right Behind Ya i'm With kenny here too
Go watch the ending with Kenny at Wellington and tell me if he's a monster after that.
At the expense of Kenny's life, and aerial-ballet said he would never shoot Kenny, some people don't wanna save Jane, deal with it.
pixelated glasses going down on my Doug's face
And? The fact that Kenny would even talk about slapping Clem, even if he was not being serious suprised me.
"Sorry I annoyed you with my politically-incorrect way to boost a little girls' morale after getting her best friend killed."
I should find a smaller version of this meme...
"That was fucking stupid, Jane."
The plan itself was cunning enough, manipulating Kenny to reveal his darkside and forcing Clementine to kill him- that is, if she succeeds on the Clementine part, but that was a big risk. And she apparently underestimated how much of a fight Kenny would put up. To be honest, I don't know why she didn't just shout out that the baby was indeed alive once she started losing the battle. I guess she trusted Clementine to save her. But that was, again, a huge risk, forcing her to choose like that. In the end I'd still say it was more on the side of stupid, rather than smart. The risk was just too big.
He doesn't want Clem to live with the guilt. That's just how much he loves her.
She was smart in the fourth one, but dumb in the fifth one. She started the fight between kenny and her because of "proving a point". i made the mistake of being on her side 2 much on the last two episodes. mainly case i always forgave her