That is more you, the player, not being able to pull the trigger and letting Kenny overpower her, ultimately consenting to his actions. Jane taking autonomy and actually showing some compassion is a vastly different situation.
She clearly did want it to end like that as she didn't attempt to stop it. Nowhere did she try to say that the baby was safe, as she just wanted to take down Kenny, only regretting her manipulative, moronic actions after they were done. Jane is a bitch, and that knife looks good in her.
Yup, my Clem has stuck with Jane and I'm glad. I'm not happy with the stunt she pulled with Kenny, but she clearly didn't want it to end lik… moree that. I don't fully understand the love for Kenny. It's sad what has happened to him and he seemed like a nice guy, but he went off into the deep end long ago.
Yeah, but nobody uses derogatory terms when talking about Kenny though. At most, they call him reckless and such things. If a girl does something people don't like, she's automatically a "bitch". I've even seen people call Sarah a bitch. It's just grating.
Like my version of Clem said, "You're both losing it".
Kenny was a dangerous hothead, but on the other hand, Jane's deliberate manipulation of Kenny (and Clem, to a lesser degree) was pretty damn low. No one is entirely innocent here, but that's the point: Telltale allows you to choose for yourself.
If you go looking for trouble odds are you're gonna find it. I think most people would agree that Kenny wasn't the most stable person in the world, so why would you allow him to think that you killed the baby, or got the baby killed. Even in a "normal" world that is just a horrible thing to do and would probably set most people off.
You guys seem to not take into account that Kenny was single handedly responsible for Lukes'/Bonnies' deaths and Mike, and Arvo/Bonnie leaving + caused more deaths
I kind of doubt that was the way Jane saw her plan working out (which is why I think the scenario where Kenny ends up killing her is much more grimly satisfying).
Yeah, i doubt she wanted to die, but she isnt showing it. I mean she has a knife to her chest, piercing her skin, it takes a long time for Kenny to kill her, she could have screamed at any time the baby is fine. But she didnt, to prove some stupid point.
Its not hard to piss off a man by insulting his dead family and then leaving his adopted son (in his mind at least) to die. It doesn't make Kenny insane, it makes Jane have a death wish.
I kind of doubt that was the way Jane saw her plan working out (which is why I think the scenario where Kenny ends up killing her is much more grimly satisfying).
That isn't true though, I want my Clem to be her own person but use Lee's advice, and Lee wouldn't want my Clem to let Kenny become a murderer in cold blood like that
Yeah I understand where she's coming from, she's just a manipulative selfish bitch and anyone who sided with her want their Clem to grow up and become just the same way Jane is.
Except they aren't in the normal world. And Jane didn't want to provoke Kenny as much as she wanted to confirm her suspicions of his current mental state.She came out and stated that the baby didn't make it, a very likely scenario for it at that point, and Kenny couldn't handle it and, predictably, snapped. Even after Jane puts away her knife and tries one more futile effort to reason with him before he loses himself in his rage and tries to kill her, and not even Clem can calm his ass down.
She even mentions having seen this kind of behavior play out before, maybe even multiple times.
And how is her little test more horrible than the many atrocities committed by Kenny under the guise of having lost a lot of loved ones, and is just trying to protect Clem and the baby? He almost beats an unarmed prisoner to death because of his unchecked hatred. Jane was merely setting off the powder keg sooner rather than later. Mostly for Clem's sake, but probably also so the baby didn't have to suffer his influence anymore. It was the best decision she could make in the circumstances she found herself in, You can't say the same about Kenny, who was at odds with everybody, just wanted to be told he was right, and handled the now inevitable truth about this new world like a spoiled child.
If you go looking for trouble odds are you're gonna find it. I think most people would agree that Kenny wasn't the most stable person in the… more world, so why would you allow him to think that you killed the baby, or got the baby killed. Even in a "normal" world that is just a horrible thing to do and would probably set most people off.
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Except they aren't in the normal world. And Jane didn't want to provoke Kenny as much as she wanted to confirm her suspicions of his current… more mental state.She came out and stated that the baby didn't make it, a very likely scenario for it at that point, and Kenny couldn't handle it and, predictably, snapped. Even after Jane puts away her knife and tries one more futile effort to reason with him before he loses himself in his rage and tries to kill her, and not even Clem can calm his ass down.
She even mentions having seen this kind of behavior play out before, maybe even multiple times.
And how is her little test more horrible than the many atrocities committed by Kenny under the guise of having lost a lot of loved ones, and is just trying to protect Clem and the baby? He almost beats an unarmed prisoner to death because of his unchecked hatred. Jane was merely setting off the powder keg sooner rather than later. Mostly for Clem's sake, … [view original content]
I keep seeing people use that defense. Do people honestly think Kenny would have believed it? Prior to the fight, he storms in and accuses Jane of killing AJ. Obviously, he never saw the kid's body to confirm it, but that doesn't matter when he's in Kenny mode. He's angry, so someone else must be to blame. How long until he lashes out at Clem like that? I mean, when there's no one left and something happens to AJ, what is he going to do? Honestly, please think about that.
She clearly did want it to end like that as she didn't attempt to stop it. Nowhere did she try to say that the baby was safe, as she just w… moreanted to take down Kenny, only regretting her manipulative, moronic actions after they were done. Jane is a bitch, and that knife looks good in her.
The fact that it Blows on the middle of the road kind of says alot. Ben only indirectly caused their deaths. Duck got bit by a walker not a bandit. The bandit just caused it to be worse.
Jane may have been justified but she has no right to make Clem shoot her long time companion, no matter how unhinged he was. Jane forced her hand and that is incredibly manipulative and controlling.
First, Kenny didn't know that she "abandoned" him. She said it was an accident. A likely accident, mind you. One she tried to prevent, but ultimately failed. But she could barely get off two words before Kenny laid into her.
Of course she didn't want to die. But she was prepared to give up her life so that these two could finally see how unsettling their relationship has become. Because she cared for Clementine's well being that much. She easily could have rinsed her hands of the entire situation, gave the child back, and went her separate way. She instead saw her opportunity to expose how Kenny wasn't even on the cliff anymore, and was merely suspended in a free fall of grief and mishandled emotions, however apologetic he gets when he calms down. She's seen it before.
Kenny acted (predictably) like a person who can't handle his emotions anymore and would lash out and kill even for indirect offences.
Besides, were you not defiant toward Carver's behavior? His treatment of his "citizens"? I fail to see how Jane's attempts to convince Clem were any different than convincing Bonnie that Carver was too dangerous. Only when dealing with Kenny, you were all trapped in an ongoing snow storm and running out of time with this baby. Leaving it in the car or bringing it back to Kenny would have been an equal chance of death for it. Jane did what she thought was best to help the person who kept showing her a kindness she didn't think she deserved. Not to intentionally put the baby at risk, but because the baby was already at risk.
Yeah, i doubt she wanted to die, but she isnt showing it. I mean she has a knife to her chest, piercing her skin, it takes a long time for K… moreenny to kill her, she could have screamed at any time the baby is fine. But she didnt, to prove some stupid point.
Its not hard to piss off a man by insulting his dead family and then leaving his adopted son (in his mind at least) to die. It doesn't make Kenny insane, it makes Jane have a death wish.
It really was Kenny's time to go. There was no way he would recover. Not to mention a total time bomb. Imagine Clem had made a mistake with the baby at some point, how would he have acted then? Jane is the most reasonable choice. Clear headed and like my Clem simply does what needs to be done. Finally another strong female character to look up to and learn from. Best person to meet after Lee.
What would have been a good plan then? Keep sucking up to the constantly cracking Kenny? Words would only devolve into insults (on both sides), and then nothing would get solved and we all follow Kenny to our probable deaths (or the deaths of innocent people). Or she just abandons the baby outright and makes a break for it, severing all ties and cursing herself out for falling for Clementine's charms. Letting the two go get themselves killed.
Her plan was concocted in a snow storm, under major duress, because she couldn't abandon Clem. Was she suppose to bring the baby back with her and tell Kenny she was going to take it and Clem away from him? So Kenny can still go on a violent rampage, only now the baby is in danger? And still freezing to death? And probably starving as well?
Threat of walkers is a constant. You are never not under their threat, even when things seem under control. Or a building seems empty. You have to work with the threat they can appear out of nowhere at any time, in any place. At least the car was hidden in a snow veil, and relatively out of the weather. And playing as Clem in the storm, she was firing off bullets that barely made a sound. And the baby crying would have sent Kenny and Clem over to it right away (as it did), it wasn't that far of a distance from where Clem and Kenny met up. Plus the cold makes the walkers slow anyway.
You are acting as if she dumped the kid into a walker infested pit out of spite, when it was quite the opposite reasoning.
You make your points. But they are hollow. But if you need to say this to yourself thats fine. I will simply disagree with you, and thats fine. Because we all have our own opinions
But to counter this quickly, threat of walkers is constant, generally yes, but you aren't constantly in danger from them, with protection and them being absent, this time they were right there with you in the snowstorm. Thats not just the constant threat thats out there, thats immediate threat.
And if she wanted to make a plan, do it without the threat of walkers, go somewhere safe, and then do your "i lost the baby" bit. The group stuck with Kenny throughout this whole episode, you can keep up with Kenny a little while longer if need be.
Would Jane even care if the baby got eaten? She wondered what Rebecca would do with it after it was born, clearly showing what she is thinking, that the baby is a threat. Myeah i rather not tag along with a methodical survivalist. At least Kenny cares. I rather have too much feelings then none whatsoever.
But as i said, im sure we will never agree with eachother on this. And thats ok.
"Just saying..." -_-
What would have been a good plan then? Keep sucking up to the constantly cracking Kenny? Words would only devolve in… moreto insults (on both sides), and then nothing would get solved and we all follow Kenny to our probable deaths (or the deaths of innocent people). Or she just abandons the baby outright and makes a break for it, severing all ties and cursing herself out for falling for Clementine's charms. Letting the two go get themselves killed.
Her plan was concocted in a snow storm, under major duress, because she couldn't abandon Clem. Was she suppose to bring the baby back with her and tell Kenny she was going to take it and Clem away from him? So Kenny can still go on a violent rampage, only now the baby is in danger? And still freezing to death? And probably starving as well?
Threat of walkers is a constant. You are never not under their threat, even when things seem under control. Or a building seems empty. Y… [view original content]
The problem here is that she did something that can get Kenny killed.
And around here thats worse than the holocaust and every other genocide ever.
I totally understand why she did it. But here's the ironic part. She didn't even have to do it. I could see it coming a mile away that Kenny was losing it. No.... That would imply he had it to lose. He was unreasonable in season 1 most of the time! He obsessed about a boat and now Wellington... He always gets extremely angry with anyone who disagrees with him. I spent the whole time asking everyone to stop arguing and it was always everyone else arguing with Kenny. I just saw Wellington as the boat happening all over again. Doesn't matter if its actually real. We don't know that unless you let him kill Jane. And i couldn't do it. I couldn't sit there and let him kill someone for a mistake. Even if Wellington is real what happened with Jane will happen again and it might be Clem his murderous rage is directed at. That baby gets so much as a paper cut and anyone in the room might get shanked just out of principle!
Jane wanted to show clem how reckless my kenny could be
she wanted to show clem so much she died doing it
but i still love kenny
jane could of stayed with kenny clem and AJ but no she had a smart plan
You make your points. But they are hollow. But if you need to say this to yourself thats fine. I will simply disagree with you, and thats fi… morene. Because we all have our own opinions
But to counter this quickly, threat of walkers is constant, generally yes, but you aren't constantly in danger from them, with protection and them being absent, this time they were right there with you in the snowstorm. Thats not just the constant threat thats out there, thats immediate threat.
And if she wanted to make a plan, do it without the threat of walkers, go somewhere safe, and then do your "i lost the baby" bit. The group stuck with Kenny throughout this whole episode, you can keep up with Kenny a little while longer if need be.
Would Jane even care if the baby got eaten? She wondered what Rebecca would do with it after it was born, clearly showing what she is thinking, that the baby is a threat. Myeah i rather not tag along with a methodical su… [view original content]
Yeah I understand where she's coming from, she's just a manipulative selfish bitch and anyone who sided with her want their Clem to grow up and become just the same way Jane is.
Don't think because I supported Kenny, doesn't mean I don't understand where she was coming from. She was trying to pull out the inner-Kenny… more. Show the Monster inside of him. Was this a smart idea? Heck no, like not in a million years would I support this idea.
No here's my take on it by shamelessly taking this from another thread. So the facts are Jane pretended like the baby was dead so Kenny would either stay docile and probably start crying breaking down, or he would become enraged and attack Jane. She knew this, that's why she tells Clem to just watch.
Now in my general opinion Jane was wrong for many reasons but first let's back up ab it to Kenny and his rage. A parent can and will get very protective if someone tries to harm there child like Lee anytime anyone did anything to Clem or Kenny with Duck. When someone kills someone's child that throws them over the edge. In fact if there hadn't been so many people, and the walkers were… [view original content]
Kenny was never very good at thinking. He just assumes shit and reacts to it.
Hence Arvo this entire episode. I don't think Arvo would've shot Clem at all if Kenny hadn't treated him like that. Not saying Arvo is in the right but I can see he was scared of getting another beaten or worse. and panicked.
I'm just saying that Jane did not make Kenny do ANYTHING. She created an incident. The incident is objective as follows. 1) They got lost an… mored split up in a snowstorm. 2) Jane arrived and made it seem like the baby had been accidentally killed/lost.
That's it. That's all that Jane did. She didn't make him go off the handle. She didn't make him fight her. She didn't make him continue to fight her after she put away her knife. I'm just saying that Kenny provoked the fight. Jane may have created the situation, but Kenny is the person who acted it out. He jumped to rash conclusions about the baby's death and ASSUMED that Jane had killed the baby intentionally. Kenny wasn't thinking right and tried to kill someone because of what he was wrongly accusing her of.
People keep saying Kenny was losing it but I don't think he ever had IT to lose. He was always an unreasonable dick to anyone who dared to disagree with him.
His fans make it worse because they act like he's perfect in everyway. I'm already so sick of the words "Jane is a manipulative bitch" because I wonder how many murders in real life happened out of anger or whatever. Lee's wife must've just "manipulated" him into killing that senator before season 1! Its victim blaming of the worst kind! Jane made a mistake but that doesn't deserve death but because its Kenny he gets a free pass and its clearly all Jane's fault.
Even though the huge fanbase Kenny has, I have never liked him. Didn't like him in season 1 when he got mad when things didn't go his way an… mored blamed Lee for it. Naturally I didn't like him in season 2 either so I totally found myself agreeing with Jane.
She may be rough, and that plan was pretty dumb. But she was right and I wouldn't want a ticking bomb like Kenny in my group anymore. Jane clearly cares about Clementine, and I believed her when she said she's never going to abandon me.
Yeah, Kenny just lost it, so I shot him, but at least he got reunited with his family again (that's what I told him). However, Jane went too… more far just to prove this, so I left her. I didn't like what either of them did. But I'm glad that Kenny also realised he went too far.
Yeah, but nobody uses derogatory terms when talking about Kenny though. At most, they call him reckless and such things. If a girl does some… morething people don't like, she's automatically a "bitch". I've even seen people call Sarah a bitch. It's just grating.
"Thank you Lee for everything you've done for me and my family we'll never forget this"
"Yeah but what has he done for me lately?"
"I keep wondering if you'd help me when I need it and lately I don't think you would have"
Season 1 Kenny takes a complete 180 where Lee is a great friend to an asshole he wants nothing to do with. If you don't agree with him you might as well be a walker to him.
Yeah, he is great at having regrets, but he isn't learning from his mistakes. He does the same shit over and over again that leads to his mi… morestakes. He also doesn't take responsibility for the shit he does. That's been this way the WHOLE game since Season 1 Episode 1 and the ending leaving Clem with the baby alone proves that again. First he get's mad as hell, does some super random retarded shit and when it all went to hell, he back's off and seeks the next trouble.
Sorry, that guy is nothing but trouble. Just proves Jane perfectly right.
Jane would have no reason. Lee isn't crazy. He never flew off the handle with anyone and he was reasonable. If you disagree with Lee the worst he'd do is talk to you about it.
REALLY? Jane wanted a fight, wanted to prove she was so superior to Kenny and everybody else in any group, she was selfish, and reckless.
… more Think about it this way, if it had been Lee instead of Kenny, and Clementine instead of AJ... what would have Lee done? And I use Lee, because I think we can all agree he was da man.
You don't pull out that kind of shit, Jane, not even during a non-apocalypse world, even less during one.
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That is more you, the player, not being able to pull the trigger and letting Kenny overpower her, ultimately consenting to his actions. Jane taking autonomy and actually showing some compassion is a vastly different situation.
I couldn't of said it better myself
She clearly did want it to end like that as she didn't attempt to stop it. Nowhere did she try to say that the baby was safe, as she just wanted to take down Kenny, only regretting her manipulative, moronic actions after they were done. Jane is a bitch, and that knife looks good in her.
Yeah, but nobody uses derogatory terms when talking about Kenny though. At most, they call him reckless and such things. If a girl does something people don't like, she's automatically a "bitch". I've even seen people call Sarah a bitch. It's just grating.
yeah, we already saw how Clem changed Jane, she came back.
And Luke T_T
Like my version of Clem said, "You're both losing it".
Kenny was a dangerous hothead, but on the other hand, Jane's deliberate manipulation of Kenny (and Clem, to a lesser degree) was pretty damn low. No one is entirely innocent here, but that's the point: Telltale allows you to choose for yourself.
If you go looking for trouble odds are you're gonna find it. I think most people would agree that Kenny wasn't the most stable person in the world, so why would you allow him to think that you killed the baby, or got the baby killed. Even in a "normal" world that is just a horrible thing to do and would probably set most people off.
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Most people understand, but simply disagree on the way she handled it. Letting herself get killed to make a point? Really?
How so? Everyone thought they needed to get to the supplies over the ice. Kenny didn't crack the ice.
I miss you Luke ;-;
#TeamLuke all the way ;-;
I kind of doubt that was the way Jane saw her plan working out (which is why I think the scenario where Kenny ends up killing her is much more grimly satisfying).
It doesn't matter really. I understand where she was coming from, but what she did was just sick. Its too bad, I really liked Jane.
I don't know what the fuck you're saying but I know it's bullshit
Yeah, i doubt she wanted to die, but she isnt showing it. I mean she has a knife to her chest, piercing her skin, it takes a long time for Kenny to kill her, she could have screamed at any time the baby is fine. But she didnt, to prove some stupid point.
Its not hard to piss off a man by insulting his dead family and then leaving his adopted son (in his mind at least) to die. It doesn't make Kenny insane, it makes Jane have a death wish.
That isn't true though, I want my Clem to be her own person but use Lee's advice, and Lee wouldn't want my Clem to let Kenny become a murderer in cold blood like that
Except they aren't in the normal world. And Jane didn't want to provoke Kenny as much as she wanted to confirm her suspicions of his current mental state.She came out and stated that the baby didn't make it, a very likely scenario for it at that point, and Kenny couldn't handle it and, predictably, snapped. Even after Jane puts away her knife and tries one more futile effort to reason with him before he loses himself in his rage and tries to kill her, and not even Clem can calm his ass down.
She even mentions having seen this kind of behavior play out before, maybe even multiple times.
And how is her little test more horrible than the many atrocities committed by Kenny under the guise of having lost a lot of loved ones, and is just trying to protect Clem and the baby? He almost beats an unarmed prisoner to death because of his unchecked hatred. Jane was merely setting off the powder keg sooner rather than later. Mostly for Clem's sake, but probably also so the baby didn't have to suffer his influence anymore. It was the best decision she could make in the circumstances she found herself in, You can't say the same about Kenny, who was at odds with everybody, just wanted to be told he was right, and handled the now inevitable truth about this new world like a spoiled child.
Just saying... a little test under the threat of walkers... Never a good plan... If the baby cried at any point he would be dinner.
Where Jane came from is where she went: Hell.
I keep seeing people use that defense. Do people honestly think Kenny would have believed it? Prior to the fight, he storms in and accuses Jane of killing AJ. Obviously, he never saw the kid's body to confirm it, but that doesn't matter when he's in Kenny mode. He's angry, so someone else must be to blame. How long until he lashes out at Clem like that? I mean, when there's no one left and something happens to AJ, what is he going to do? Honestly, please think about that.
The fact that it Blows on the middle of the road kind of says alot. Ben only indirectly caused their deaths. Duck got bit by a walker not a bandit. The bandit just caused it to be worse.
Jane may have been justified but she has no right to make Clem shoot her long time companion, no matter how unhinged he was. Jane forced her hand and that is incredibly manipulative and controlling.
Kenny Fans.. Just let it go. Kenny needed to die..
Because Jane is the obvious good choice :P, and because Walking Dead Game was getting repetitive.
"Leaving Wellington With Kenny" is both the plurality ending and canon.
You can rewind to get it at anytime.
First, Kenny didn't know that she "abandoned" him. She said it was an accident. A likely accident, mind you. One she tried to prevent, but ultimately failed. But she could barely get off two words before Kenny laid into her.
Of course she didn't want to die. But she was prepared to give up her life so that these two could finally see how unsettling their relationship has become. Because she cared for Clementine's well being that much. She easily could have rinsed her hands of the entire situation, gave the child back, and went her separate way. She instead saw her opportunity to expose how Kenny wasn't even on the cliff anymore, and was merely suspended in a free fall of grief and mishandled emotions, however apologetic he gets when he calms down. She's seen it before.
Kenny acted (predictably) like a person who can't handle his emotions anymore and would lash out and kill even for indirect offences.
Besides, were you not defiant toward Carver's behavior? His treatment of his "citizens"? I fail to see how Jane's attempts to convince Clem were any different than convincing Bonnie that Carver was too dangerous. Only when dealing with Kenny, you were all trapped in an ongoing snow storm and running out of time with this baby. Leaving it in the car or bringing it back to Kenny would have been an equal chance of death for it. Jane did what she thought was best to help the person who kept showing her a kindness she didn't think she deserved. Not to intentionally put the baby at risk, but because the baby was already at risk.
It really was Kenny's time to go. There was no way he would recover. Not to mention a total time bomb. Imagine Clem had made a mistake with the baby at some point, how would he have acted then? Jane is the most reasonable choice. Clear headed and like my Clem simply does what needs to be done. Finally another strong female character to look up to and learn from. Best person to meet after Lee.
"Just saying..." -_-
What would have been a good plan then? Keep sucking up to the constantly cracking Kenny? Words would only devolve into insults (on both sides), and then nothing would get solved and we all follow Kenny to our probable deaths (or the deaths of innocent people). Or she just abandons the baby outright and makes a break for it, severing all ties and cursing herself out for falling for Clementine's charms. Letting the two go get themselves killed.
Her plan was concocted in a snow storm, under major duress, because she couldn't abandon Clem. Was she suppose to bring the baby back with her and tell Kenny she was going to take it and Clem away from him? So Kenny can still go on a violent rampage, only now the baby is in danger? And still freezing to death? And probably starving as well?
Threat of walkers is a constant. You are never not under their threat, even when things seem under control. Or a building seems empty. You have to work with the threat they can appear out of nowhere at any time, in any place. At least the car was hidden in a snow veil, and relatively out of the weather. And playing as Clem in the storm, she was firing off bullets that barely made a sound. And the baby crying would have sent Kenny and Clem over to it right away (as it did), it wasn't that far of a distance from where Clem and Kenny met up. Plus the cold makes the walkers slow anyway.
You are acting as if she dumped the kid into a walker infested pit out of spite, when it was quite the opposite reasoning.
You make your points. But they are hollow. But if you need to say this to yourself thats fine. I will simply disagree with you, and thats fine. Because we all have our own opinions
But to counter this quickly, threat of walkers is constant, generally yes, but you aren't constantly in danger from them, with protection and them being absent, this time they were right there with you in the snowstorm. Thats not just the constant threat thats out there, thats immediate threat.
And if she wanted to make a plan, do it without the threat of walkers, go somewhere safe, and then do your "i lost the baby" bit. The group stuck with Kenny throughout this whole episode, you can keep up with Kenny a little while longer if need be.
Would Jane even care if the baby got eaten? She wondered what Rebecca would do with it after it was born, clearly showing what she is thinking, that the baby is a threat. Myeah i rather not tag along with a methodical survivalist. At least Kenny cares. I rather have too much feelings then none whatsoever.
But as i said, im sure we will never agree with eachother on this. And thats ok.
The problem here is that she did something that can get Kenny killed.
And around here thats worse than the holocaust and every other genocide ever.
I totally understand why she did it. But here's the ironic part. She didn't even have to do it. I could see it coming a mile away that Kenny was losing it. No.... That would imply he had it to lose. He was unreasonable in season 1 most of the time! He obsessed about a boat and now Wellington... He always gets extremely angry with anyone who disagrees with him. I spent the whole time asking everyone to stop arguing and it was always everyone else arguing with Kenny. I just saw Wellington as the boat happening all over again. Doesn't matter if its actually real. We don't know that unless you let him kill Jane. And i couldn't do it. I couldn't sit there and let him kill someone for a mistake. Even if Wellington is real what happened with Jane will happen again and it might be Clem his murderous rage is directed at. That baby gets so much as a paper cut and anyone in the room might get shanked just out of principle!
Jane wanted to show clem how reckless my kenny could be
she wanted to show clem so much she died doing it
but i still love kenny
jane could of stayed with kenny clem and AJ but no she had a smart plan
Yes, as long as Kenny's dead, that's good for everyone. Dead or not confirmed for season 3..
And anyone who sides with Kenny wants Clem to get the same treatment Jane got.
Kenny tends to make history repeat itself
Actually she did say she didn't kill the baby.
Kenny- " How could you kill a fucking child"
Kenny throws punch. Jane pulls out knife
Jane- " I didn't kill him. it was an accident Kenny."
Around here its Everyone vs Kenny. There's those of us who see logic and reason and those who see anything against Kenny as wrong.
Kenny was never very good at thinking. He just assumes shit and reacts to it.
Hence Arvo this entire episode. I don't think Arvo would've shot Clem at all if Kenny hadn't treated him like that. Not saying Arvo is in the right but I can see he was scared of getting another beaten or worse. and panicked.
People keep saying Kenny was losing it but I don't think he ever had IT to lose. He was always an unreasonable dick to anyone who dared to disagree with him.
His fans make it worse because they act like he's perfect in everyway. I'm already so sick of the words "Jane is a manipulative bitch" because I wonder how many murders in real life happened out of anger or whatever. Lee's wife must've just "manipulated" him into killing that senator before season 1! Its victim blaming of the worst kind! Jane made a mistake but that doesn't deserve death but because its Kenny he gets a free pass and its clearly all Jane's fault.
EXACTLY what I did. I called her fucking crazy and left. Honestly, they were both messed up in there own way.
Kenny has been called a redneck and a hillbilly countless times, and you didn't see people go "I'm offended, where's the PC police".
I just want to thank you for not saying "Jane is a manipulative bitch"
You are the first person to make a pro Kenny pitch that I can agree with.
"Friends don't leave friends behind"
"Thank you Lee for everything you've done for me and my family we'll never forget this"
"Yeah but what has he done for me lately?"
"I keep wondering if you'd help me when I need it and lately I don't think you would have"
Season 1 Kenny takes a complete 180 where Lee is a great friend to an asshole he wants nothing to do with. If you don't agree with him you might as well be a walker to him.
Jane would have no reason. Lee isn't crazy. He never flew off the handle with anyone and he was reasonable. If you disagree with Lee the worst he'd do is talk to you about it.