I won’t be getting Season 3…
[Please note that these are just my opinions. Don’t kill me and demand my blood or my left kidney at that. But seriously, don’t hesitate to tell me what you thought about the episode yourselves and whether you liked it or not, it’s fine. Just please keep it civil and spare from murdering me T_T.]
"I won’t be getting Season 3" it’s a harsh thing for me to say that and months ago I never imagined I would. Although the truth is I don’t even know if I can or will now. This might be the last Season I ever buy.
There are so many things that disappointed with this episode, even though there were so many good things too, like being able to have that flashback with Lee and see him talking again with Clementine [I’m so, so happy they put that in and just how it plays out like it could've been a dream, but it's not and just fits with the current game events perfectly!]. Also the ending where Kenny lives was so well done with how he would either want to keep Clem and the baby safe, or she stubbornly refuses to let them split up. Not to menton the camp fire scene too which had some funny moments. So yes, there were many things that got to me like that and which I'll fondly remember…sadly, the bad outweighs the good for me with this finale and in such a way, I just feel sad with disappointment rather than loss for what Season 1’s ending brought to me when Lee's story came to a close.
The real big climax of this season was the Pizza vs Ice Cream decision that finally came into play, and what was the last nail in the coffin that ruined for me what should’ve been a building up to some really intense scenes…because all I could keep thinking was at those moments was this: it should’ve Luke fighting with Kenny in the playground, not Jane. Just like it should’ve been Luke arguing with Kenny in that car, or having to learn to hold that baby while talking about Kenny or stuff about the past.
It was a definitely a shocking twist on what we all thought or believed would happen, although with how the season was going, it really had me believing that too. I really thought serious conflict was going to go down between Kenny and Luke, since many of the decisions were of ‘do you side with one or the other?’ like when it came to using Luke’s plan of the radio or the Kenny’s plan of the herd to break out, or ‘do you leave in the morning or go in a few days?’
Maybe it was the original intention for those guys to be fighting, who knows. But pretty much to the point on where Luke dies at the lake, my interest and commitment in the story fell apart with it, because it’s a decision they shouldn’t have done, vice versa if it’d been Kenny to have fallen through the ice and left it as Luke fighting somebody else in that playground. Why? It's because the sequence at the playground lacks the amount of emotional punch it might've had if both Kenny and Luke were present instead and would've made it a lot harder for us the player to save. Because face it, the whole team Kenny/Luke stuff was crazy. And you know what? I don't care if might've been predictable. Me as a person really so SO badly wanted to see this go down.
If you were to tell me what I thought the Pizza/Ice Cream decision would be some weeks back, I honestly would’ve told you I believed it wouldn’t be a violent one. Like the dinner scene where you had to decide who to sit with, I’d of guessed the decision would’ve been about which person to walk to instead. And even if it were a violent decision, I really believed it’d be between Kenny and Luke since the story clearly showed moments it was setting up and building to it. It *should *have been Kenny and Luke and that’s why it frustrates me and makes me so sad going through those scenes after the lake incident and being unable to enjoy the remainder of the final episode.
Going into it, I was already having doubts after the hints implying at different endings. But making Kenny a determinate character and Luke being killed off after leading us to believe he might be important towards the end like Kenny…well, the game did indeed break me, but not in the way I think Telltale might’ve intended it to.
I once said I would rage quit if I was disappointed, and I was being serious when I said that…but there’s not really any rage about it, but like I said, disappointment. I’m sad that my favorite game has let me down in the way that it has and I feel bad even making this thread because I really respect the guys behind this game. Unfortunately too many things left me unsatisfied.
What happened to Christa? What happened to Eddie and the other 400 days characters? What happened with going to the town and the church in the achievement picture that was clearly shown on the map too? Why did they cross the frozen lake when they could’ve walked around the side?
Why did they cross the frozen lake, when they could’ve walked around the side?
These are things I’ve thought of, but they don’t bother me as much as what I mentioned before. And mock me if you will, but yes, Luke was definitely one of my favorites. I was really voting for that guy to make it through to Season 3, and I really believe he should’ve with Kenny or that the decision should’ve been on if Luke or Kenny would be family for Clem and the baby, while the one to be left out still survived.
But for me, the biggest mistake Telltale made was bringing Jane back into the finale when she should’ve just stayed gone and returned for another Season. Jane’s role after the lake incident honestly felt like a ‘Hi I’m here to replace Luke’s spot in these scenes and pretty much say some things he might’ve said except for a few alterations to match my character’ even if it weren’t actually the case, it sure feels it.
But having the final episode build to what led to Kenny and Jane fighting didn’t have a big impact on me as a player, because she hadn’t been there since the beginning of this Season. She is introduced with a few lines in Episode 3 and we are only given the remaining episodes to understand her. Plus we didn’t really get much of the set up with her and Kenny disagreeing like Kenny and Luke did that we thought we saw coming a mile off.
If Jane was at the cabin instead and we'd spent all episodes with her present in some form or way, maybe I would feel different about this for what would've made the decision to shoot Kenny or look away the worst thing imaginable.
That’s why I go back to Luke because he was there at the beginning of this Season [like Kenny was in Season 1] and those last parts of the game would’ve worked a hell of a lot better with Luke arguing in the truck with Kenny in my opinion, and made him looking out for Clem believable because of their characters having had that additional time spent together in those few weeks instead of a few days like Jane.
I don’t know if it was a rewrite or if the game was always intended to give us that show down in the playground with Jane and Kenny instead…yet for someone like me who is a writer and for long as she can remember has always been hooked on series or games for their stories and analysing things to the extreme, it really does feels like was rewritten and what should’ve been Luke’s role got given to Jane and it really destroys the game for me on the last part and only leaves a couple precious moments to salvage. Even if it isn’t the case, it is still something that bugs me and what I don't think I'll ever be able to let go or forget.
But even if Luke survived crossing the lake, him and Kenny being made determinate characters still would’ve brought down my mood regardless. Maybe I’m being overdramatic, but that’s just how I feel right now. They should’ve or could've both lived as non-determinate characters, Luke especially because I really think there was still potential with that character that just got wasted by killing him off so soon for a death that should've been given to another character...
Although I think what has me put off the idea of a Season 3 the most, is just that if they can do that to Kenny and Luke...what’s stopping them from killing Clementine too in that same way? What’s preventing Telltale from throwing us in a situation like that again where Clem gets made a determinate character or falls in a lake and drowns no matter what you do? Even with the optional endings, some leave me unsure of what will become of Clementine. I couldn’t bear playing Season 3 if anything terrible happened to Clem in circumstances where her death got treated poorly and where I’m left even more broken after the decisions made in this episode. That’s why I’m walking away. I can’t bring myself to be put in that situation within a game again because if it’s Clementine next time...well, I'll be ordering myself some whiskey just watching! :S
Personally, some of the decisions made were just a step too far for me to take. Getting an emotional reaction out of people whether for films, games or books is great, but I can’t continue playing this series if things like this keep happening where it goes ‘too far’ or just bad decisions get made where I'm not getting upset over a character dying, but I'm upset over why happened. Maybe many of you don't share my opinions and that’s okay, everybody views things differently and this is me just telling you how I am about it all.
Lee’s death made sense to me, a few deaths in this Season just haven’t. Also with Kenny being determinate too, if he had to die it shouldn’t have been a determinate status. It should’ve just been canon death to the story like Lee’s death or he should’ve straight out lived. Kenny has now become a dead man walking and it saddens me knowing that just as it saddens me Luke’s potential got wasted on a premature death 
I’m still a fan, no question about that. I’ll still be chilling on the forum and I’ll still be into the series…but I’m not paying to play the next Season, I’m sorry. As much as it pains me to say this: you hecked up Telltale. There is some really moving stuff in this final episode that I love to bits, but you hecked up the rest for me and I can’t support your game anymore with the widdle £15 sitting in my pocket here or however many more sequels or DLC's you release. I’m really, really sorry.
If anybody still wants to play, then good on you! Keep having fun and keep playing. I wish I could join in with you guys rather than just watch the game in the future and whatever Seeason 3 brings, but sadly this as far as this fan in terms as a gamer is going. I’m holding up my white flag and shutting off my console
I wish I could be saying right now that this is the best episode of The Walking Dead Game ever. I wish I could’ve come out on the other side of this emotional roller-coaster and be upset, heart torn from my chest, but still having enjoyed it and be excited and nervous for the third instalment…but I can’t. This episode ruined the game for me, perhaps forever [I’m 99.9999999% positive at this point] and that's the only reason it got tears out of me, not because I’m crying over what the story delivered, I’m crying because of the lack of and failing to live up to my expectations, or what it might’ve even set out to do and failed to go through with it…but also what makes me sad, is my lack in faith to trust Telltale with Clementine's future anymore, in case poor Sweet Pea gets brutally killed and cast aside too, the same for any other characters that come along down the line.
It's The Walking Dead, I know. But this was enough for me. So this is a fan saying ‘I disliked what you did’ in the nicest way possible, and being really sorry for saying so…although I may get The Wolf Among Us. But TWDG Season 3? Nope, nuh uh, lost me there >_> Sorry dudes.
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Now excuse me, I have to write a silly fanfic to help me cope with the mourning process! ;_; This is me right now people, missing Luke and partly Kenny who's one foot in the grave and one out...dang it Telltale...
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If this episode was a disappointment, then holy fuck you've got some high expectations.
Yeah, it's times like this I really wish Telltale didn't get this cult following. Back when they were "Underrated" people wouldn't complain nor nitpick. This forum is a very, very different place compared to the one I was content with in 2011.
This episode was a huge step up but I can totally see OP's point. Although I think the lack of punch this ep had for a few things, was the result of Pierre's last couple of episodes, 3 and 4 set bad things into motion which this finale actually improved upon greatly. Not as good as the finale for season 1 by miles, but it was still a really good episode.
Yes, that is my curse. I let my expectations build too high and I know I shouldn't have because 90% percent of the time my expectations go boom XD you thought I would've learned by now after all these years lol.
But not all of the episode was a let down, there was some really great stuff...just the things i didn't like have me rolling under my bed depressed. Well, not exactly but you get me, I'm a picky person and I'm plagued to be this way unfortunately >.< I pick plots to their core.
lol
I'd say this episode had everything I wanted. It invoked a huge array of emotions that No Time Left actually failed to; Tension, fear, excitement, happiness, guilt, regret, hate, anger...
No Time Left just induced a shit ton of upset, nothing else.
I bet you will
I Think you should give it some time, and reflect back on the episode in a week or two, and seei f you still feel this way. When Episode 4 came out, i loved it, a two weeks later, i hated it.
Luke's death stunk, and Bonnie and Mike's betrayal just felt like poor writing on Telltale's part to be honest. The episode was still enjoyable though, but not a fan of how some things turned out.
I think this episode was amazing, even though people died. I just can't stand the possibility of liking even more characters next season just so they die.
What? Luke's death was amazing IMO reminded me of titanic
Ep 5 was right on the money for me...
I know.
All i kept thinking, is this shit for real, its like a Disney movie when they want to kill someone off. Then again technically we didn't see Luke physically die, so he could return by way of the Kenny effect.
"I'll never let go Luke... I'll never let go." XD
But in all serious, it was rushed. He was one of the first characters we met in season 1 and should have had a better death.
It is, Ben, Katjaa and Duck all have the bullet wounds in their heads.
Well..... Interesting review. I don't agree since I actually loved this season more than the first and am eagerly waiting news for a 3rd
I hope so George. I don't want to feel this way, I've really enjoyed this game uptil now :S
Don't let the door hit- oh well.
Some people shouldn't play games period.
Totally agree with you on everything. Buying Season 3 for me depends on if it'll continue Clementine's story or not.
Things that hurt Season 2
It saddens me that borderlands and game of thrones are getting much better writers such as G.R.R. Martin's personal assistant or the guy that left Bungie to work with Telltale.
Pierre Shorette needs to be fired.
oops posted twice nevermind lol
Luke: I got lucky, real lucky
Clem:...okay, you're going to have to be more specific on that.
I know it's stupid, but there was actually an incident I read some years ago where a woman drowned and was under water for I think over 15 minutes without air [or it might've been 7, I can't remember the exact time] but because the water was so cold her brain didn't suffer any damage and she was able to survive the incident...yeah, Luke just needs the moon to magically raise him from the ice and make him a guardian and think he'll be okay.
I don't hold out much hope on though, but the Kenny effect would indeed be nice :P
I just replayed that and they don't have bullet holes in their heads
I don't know why you people hold a grudge against some of the writers. Season two had a few problems, but in no way does that mean that Shorette needs to be fired. It was still amazing, storytelling-wise. And every writer who has made a few mistakes can improve. I think that 99.9% of the people here couldn't write such a compelling story in a zombie apocalypse (where there's been an infinite amount of stories told over the last few years). Season two was refreshing, and It never felt rushed for me at any point. The assumption that things are rushed or have been changed over and over again is made by some community members who view their opinion as a fact.
Season one was changed often as well. But honestly, at this point... people criticize everything. I'm growing tired of it. Then again, I just don't care anymore.
Yeah, I do hope it's good. I'm just so torn up at the moment. Who knows maybe my mind will be swayed in the future, quoting the 0.0000001% I left out XD
Best episode since Season One, without question. I would even say that it was better than some Season One episodes.
This.
And Pierre Shorette is in No way a bad writer. He helped write Episode 5 which was amazing and He wrote alot of the wolf among US which was an amazing game.
I really want them to bring back Lee, after giving me a taste of ice cream you should know i'm going to eat the whole container, then get sick due to my ice cream allergy, but it would still be worth it. The Kenny effect can bring anyone back to life. I will admit, i was hoping for a part in episode 5, that explains everything like the stranger talk in Season 1.
I was really hoping for a where the heck is Christa conversation. At this point, i think its now safe to assume she is either dead or going to be brought back to life by the Kenny Effect.
Don't you think your being a little overly dramatic?
No, he grabbed other people's great work and took a huge shit on it and got paid for doing it.
Art is subjective.
To answer the question why they didn't go around the ice, no bridge in sight, walkers behind em and a starving baby.
Think the most logical answer, and the most dangerous, would be to cross the ice.
I didn't go with Kenny, seeing him break down in the entire season 2 made me see him as unstable, just as he placed the last vestiges of his hope on AJ, like Jane said, he was a bomb waiting to go off.
However on that note considering Luke, as far fetched as this might sound I still remember the words of a friend of mine when we discussed The Walking Dead Season 1 and when Kenny fell down that hole and ran off. She told me "He's not dead until you see a corpse" and whadda ya know in Season 2...Who knows what might've happened to Luke, but like I said it's pretty far fetched.
But I'll have you know, I wept like a child when I pulled that trigger, being fully aware it's a game, but it was like losing Lee all over again...
Now you're being a little Drama Queen here, don't ya think?
Oh it will trust me, you will reflect back on the game, and you'll find things that you liked. or you might see the game in a new light, and it will change your point of view. I do it all the time.
I think that Jane was a way better choice than Luke for Episode 5. They probably meant for Luke to fight Kenny and for Jane to die at the lake, but figured, "Hey we probably shouldn't bring Jane back to save the group just to kill her 10 minutes later" and switched it.
I respect your opinion, but I actually agree on the Luke thing. I think his death was lame, he had way more potential. Also, it should've been him, instead of Jane, in the car with Kenny.
U SUCK EGGS! >:(
Ben definitely does, you have to look carefully, but you can see brown on his face where the blood would have dried. Unless it only shows up if Kenny shoots him, since I don't think he always does in Episode 5.
Didn't know that people taking shit had a dramatic impact on you.