Seriously...
I just felt I had to shoot Kenny when he attacked Jane at that moment, and after all that she was just trying to prove a point.
What an absolute c*nt. I'm glad I left with the kid (Wish I still had Kenny though).
I think I did the right thing, after all.. Kenny went in peace. (Gutted I couldn't shoot him in the arm or something)
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I already thought that she only hid the baby and let him kill her ... and was right to do so.
I already thought that she only hid the baby and let him kill her ... and was right to do so.
I am a really forgiving person don't get me wrong, but what Jane did was the dumbest thing I've experienced in this game, ever. Ofcourse Kenny lost his mind, she didn't say anything to Kenny about the baby. All that to prove a POINT. I'm still pissed.
Just trying to prove a point? Lame excuse, don't you think? She knew exactly how Kenny would react, this baby is like a son to him. Any father would react like that.
What happened at the hardware store if you go back?
I know, but you only know that after the fight.
A family approaches the gate, and you have the option to either let them in or turn them away.
I was happy ending with Kenny. If I could have split them apart without casualty I would have, but as it is I let Kenny end the fight that Jane started herself, she also told Clem to stay out of it.
I understand what youre saying but it doesnt sound fair to justify murdering someone, if i was a dad i wouldnt kill someone because they lost my son. id be very upset though..
He didn't react like that because she 'lost his son'. It was because he thought she 'killed his son', during the fight he calls her a childmurdurer or something, and she did nothing to prove the opposite.
I personally knew that she didn't kill/lost baby right after she said "Stay out of this. Trust me. We'll see who Kenny really is now".
Probably because you're not in a zombie apocalypse with nearly everyone you've ever cared for dead. You're also not fearing for your life 24/7.
Some perspective would be nice.
Jane says she didnt murder him and he still tries to murder her so she did try to prove the opposite, it is very true i do not live in the ZA but i honestly think Kenny murdering Jane is the exact same as Carver murdering Reggie, Jane/Reggie fucked up something and Kenny/Carver found out and got pissed and killed them. I dont really care if it is the ZA and if Kenny has lost everyone (still has Clem) i still dont think murder is right in that sense and if it is right in his books, im not going to choose him over Jane.
OMG!YOU'RE RIGHT! "Stay out of it" this means choosing [Look Away]
Then you would be an awful father. I don't even have a kid but if someone lost mine I would go ballistic on them.
That was when I realized something was off, too
I was happy ending with Jane.... I like her so much, and with her Clem is more safe!!
Clem And Jane Best Team!
Jane had a track record of leaving people behind including her younger sister. Jane had also made it clear that she thought the baby was dead weight. Kenny was aware of both of these and made the assumption that she left AJ behind or worse, it was a fair assumption. One can argue that Jane claimed it was an accident, but hypothetically if she did kill the baby she wouldn't admit it, she would obviously lie.
The problem here is that you are looking at things from the frame of mind of a person living in this world, and not from the perspective of someone living in the walking dead universe. Things aren't as black and white in that world as it is in ours. Completely neglecting Kenny's history of loss defeats the purpose of even debating, how can you make judgements when you purposefully choose to not understand why he overeacted as much as he did.
I thought Jane's plan was, in the end, the way it had to be to show how much of a violent menace Kenny had become. Then I realized Jane used me to do her dirty work. I couldn't bring myself to trust her enough to go with her. They're both monsters of a different kind.
Mexico, here I come!
Ye, let's kill people because you FEEL you can't trust them, not because they actually did something.
Good one
Enjoy your stay in prison then and leave your child without a father.
Jeez, you guys are watching too many stupid movies.
If this was in real life Jane leaving the baby with only a blanket covering it during freezing conditions would have definitely given the baby hypothermia. Children and babies under 4 years can be particularly at risk, as the temperature control area of the brain is not yet fully developed. When babies get hypothermia they can become unusually quiet.
If you choose to spare Kenny, there would be a chance the baby wouldn't even cry meaning it would most likely freeze to death before alerting anyone of it's existence. Even if you killed Kenny there is a chance the baby would die before proper treatment for hypothermia is administrated.
Just to prove a point, Jane put the babies life in danger. One thing we can't deny is that Kenny cares for the baby whilst Jane previously pointed out that AJ was dead weight. I spared Kenny because he cares and protects the people he loves, Jane on the other hand leaves when shit gets hard.
It wasnt so dumb. Not everyone kills a Person when u accidently lost a kid. I mean what if clem would lost Ah, would kenny kill her too? Jane was absolutly right that kenny was dangerous and his behavior was not okay. But still, to let kenny shot by clem just to prove a point is really shitty. I shot kenny but im not over it and hate Jane for it
He called her like that because he was in a rage mode
Ur absolutly right man
Straw man's argument at it's best.
Well if thats true than lilly had every right to kill Carley. I Know kennys Story is tragic but the others had a sad life to...it doesnt make murder right...i gelt so much pity for him, and im pissed at Jane but...i dont regret it. Im sry kenny...im still not over it
Jane told me to stay out of it. That is exactly what I did.
And anyone who thinks that Kenny would go off on anyone for losing AJ aren't considering that Jane was being less than informative about what happened, and not even a hint of remorse. If she felt sorry and told us what happened, I doubt Kenny would have done what he did.
I wanted to write an decent comment , but with all these thread.
You're the fucking cunt, bro.
i knew something was wrong when jane comeback without the baby but i could not let her die and look in the other way.but if she who was holding the knife and was about to kill kenny ,i d shoot her
But yet you murdered Kenny. See what i'm saying?
Jane pushed Kenny's triggers, she knew he would overeact. She also could of stopped it at any moment by revealing the baby was actually alive. Non of this is morally right but she played with fire and got burned alive.
Nope, short paraphrased version of what you said.
Let's have all understanding of circumstances and context and stuff and then be fine with when people lose it and kill somebody on empty assumptions (Jane has no recorded history of being a baby killer, you know) about what they have done without any actual evidence and assume they lie with every word they say because I don't like them.
Your whole argument about why Jane can't be trusted is hollow as well, because she didn't leave anybody behind but her sister (and here you don't even try to play your "look at context"-card). It's not even clear that Kenny knew about that because she only told Luke and Clem ( + Sarah ) about her sister. Her remark that a baby is dead weight in a ZA may not be nice, but it's certainly true.
That is all summed up with "feel you can't trust them" and you are trying to justify killing her on that basis.
Sorry, no straw man here.
Eh.. no? He knew she has a practical mind and could get rid of the baby for her practical reasons? If the first thing she would do after seeing Kenny and Clem was explaining how she lost the baby, then yeah, maybe it would work, but she just awkwardly stood there in silence with a guilty look in her eyes, so he assumed what she was expecting him to assume.
That could be considered as an attempt to save her skin. Instead of that she could shout "I hid the baby", and I can assure you, Kenny would listen.
Oh so maybe you'd shake hands with the murder? Have a dinner with them, they'll have enough time to explain to you why the last time you saw your child was eeh the last one.
Why are you jumping to the conclusion of murder?
Because in the context that we have that's what you going to think happened.
No, irrational madmen would think that this happened without hearing the person out first.
Yes there is, I never said that you should kill a person because you feel you can't trust them. I don't know where you misinterpreted that from but feel free to quote it. Ironically you do it again right before you say you aren't.
I wasn't arguing on why I think she shouldn't be trusted, i'm arguing why Kenny, a broken man in the walking dead universe wouldn't trust her. Not that it even needed to be argued considering he straight up says he doesn't trust her multiple times.
I'm not justifying the killing of Jane, the point of my first reply was to help explain WHY Kenny went off the rails. Hence why I used the context card. I'm sorry but you went on a tangent.