Logical decisions? Lets tell this guy that I left his adoptive child for dead right after pinning Saritas death on him! Brilliant! I know, lets sleep with Luke when hes meant to be on guard duty!
Because people like siding with a redneck that makes rash decisions based on emotion, gets people killed and doesnt think things through.
As I enjoy logical decisions and a calm calculating demeanor, I side with Jane. (:
Jane was a manipulative psycho in my opinion. I think a lot of people mistake charm and social skills for being good in this game. Kenny was a wreck but he meant well. Nearly everyone else in Season 2 was only out for themselves above all else. You can't have much sympathy for Jane in my opinion. She knew what she was causing to happen.
Because he was loyal, brave and didn't have any motives apart from protecting his family. He got the truck fixed, he delivered a freaking ba… moreby, he held his shit together after losing EVERYTHING apart from Clementine and AJ. Im sorry but if you start mocking someone with their dead family and then pretend to kill one of the two things he cares about, you deserved to get stabbed.
Kenny is popular because he - sans clem - has been in the game the longest and lets face it, he is a well written and interesting character.
Well Troy did react differently during Kenny's beating. He felt a little anxious seeing how brutal Carver was when he repeatedly punched him in the face
Maybe because it is because Kenny is not an innocent kid, he is strong and a tough guy - just like Troy - Troy realises he might be the one who suffers at the hands of carver one day?
I killed Kenny and I am a huge fan of his. She said to him it was an acccident and put her knife away, But Kenny started attacking her again and Jane fought back, She told Kenny to go. He refused. the fight went too far, Both wanted to kill eachother. Yes, She could of saved herself but for whatever reason she didn't but what if she slipped and fell on the baby killing it, Would she deserve to die? I don't think so. I waited till the last moment to shot him and then left Jane. I understood her point but she cannot be trusted. Kenny didn't have the right to kill her for what was assumed as an accident.
It was their choice to fight over it. Involving Clem felt very stupid. Jane chose to lie and cause a fight. Kenny chose to react. They are b… moreoth are fault but I feel Kenny had more reason to do what he did than Jane. Jane even admitted "I did it so you would come with me." She wanted Kenny to be dead and that's ridiculous. She tried to play Clem's emotions to get what she wanted. That isn't caring for Clem. That's caring for herself.
All Kenny haters were basically Luke fans for the first 3 episodes, then turned into Mike and Bonnie fans after episode 4 and suddenly became Jane fans after episode 5. Please Kenny haters make up your mind...
I have to say, the OP reflects my feelings on Kenny. In the 1st season he was one of my least favourite characters, and in my play-through, despite repeated attempts to curry favour with him, he left me (Lee) to go it alone (only Ben came with me). That's what was slightly irritating about the writers' obsession with Kenny this season. Conceivably, continuing on from your save from the 1st season, you could've had a poor relationship with Kenny, or at least a slightly indifferent one. For him then to become such a central character in the 2nd season, with such a loving attitude towards Clem, makes assumptions regarding a relationship that might not have even existed.
Even disregarding that, the 2nd season (again depending on your play-through) Kenny can be extremely nasty: sneering at you about Carver if you ask him to stop beating up a child; blaming Sarita's death on you, which he only belatedly apologises for; wanting to shoot an unarmed child (granted Arvo turned out to be a bit of a dick, but was still only 10-12 years old!); and reacting furiously to other suggestions from the group regarding where they should drive to. For me, Kenny was a strange character who I could never quite place in a good or bad camp, he continually messed things up when they appeared to be going smoothly, and showed little regard for Clem as a person until right at the very end.
All in all, I thought Kenny's character being so back and forth, so difficult to place, was in keeping with the 2nd season overall. Each character seemed to be going down a particular path, only for this to be suddenly reversed by an action, quite often right before they died! Take Mike and Bonnie for example. Mike struck me as a conscientious and kind person (apologising profusely to Clem for making her get the water-bottles; his treatment of Arvo), then Clem discovers him stealing all their supplies (and intending to leave 2 children, 1 an infant, without any food or water, no transport and in the freezing cold)! What?! Even if they were scared of Kenny, to leave 2 children with a man they're scared of, with no food or water? Sorry, that just seemed like a way of engineering the Jane-Kenny showdown. I understand it's the 'zombie apocalypse', but that can't be a get out clause for complete character 180s! Similarly Bonnie, who had displayed maternal feelings towards Clem and had vowed never to let her down again (following selling her out to Carver), is a key player in this abandonment. To add insult to injury, in my play-through, she blames ME for Luke's death! A child being told very explicitly by an adult NOT to do something, so doesn't do it. Again, this might be explained by grief, ZA, etc., but it makes Bonnie seem a means-to-an-end character, when they'd spent a long time trying to establish her as a character in her own right.
This consistency of character was something I think needed a little more thought in this season. If you've got a clear image of a character, who they are, what this means to you, then choices like the final one become all the more difficult. If, on the other hand, characters go from one extreme to the other, or consistently say or do things antithetical to the opinion you had formed of them, choices seem that little bit less difficult. By the way, I have watched through all the endings, and people are right, the Kenny endings are definitely better, but had I chosen them I would've felt strange. For while they are sad on their own, the preceding relationship I had developed with Kenny was not one of love and friendship. I suppose that explains why I didn't pick Kenny, but even in deciding to go with Jane, I had my doubts. Again this wasn't because I had a particular affinity towards Jane, rather she seemed like the best of a bad bunch, and it all made me feel a bit flat. Certainly, when compared to the ending of Season 1 (and the beginning of Season 2), the deaths and choices weren't nearly as emotional.
Kenny never acted that way for me. He only acts that way based off of how you play. So that's not really a habit. Look at how he acts without player influence. He just wants what's best for his family. And it's not that hard to talk sense into him. Yelling a lot and being a dick is a slight temper. He never kills a group member. Lilly, no matter what choices the player makes, always kills a group member. That in my opinion is the definition of a bad temper. Kenny wants you to drop Ben but it's your choice to do so. I didn't and Kenny ended up forgiving him. Because if given a chance, and with a little understanding, Kenny always comes around. Killing Carver is something I'd do, and my Clem stayed to watch. I don't hold that against him. He was harsh with Arvo, but again Arvo is someone that threatened the group. And the Jane thing, well all I can say there is Jane got exactly what she wanted, and had it been Lee and Clem everyone would be on Lee's side and not trying to defend Jane's moronic actions. And if it was Clem that lost AJ, I don't think for a second Kenny would freak out on her because he knows Clem, and he knows that if Clem lost AJ then there was nothing she could have done to stop it. Jane left her sister to die, she thought the baby should've been aborted, and she made it perfectly clear that she thought keeping the baby around was a bad idea. She knew exactly how it was going to look, and what it implied.
Wow, slight temper?! Fine, none of those people may count to you but they count to me, most especially playing as Lee and having Kenny try t… moreo walk away and leave me to die, and refusing to help find Clem, effectively abandoning her to the stranger. I consider that a habit of Kenny not going out of his way to help anyone when he can see to his own interests first. And of course it's based on how you play. What else is there? My experience is of Kenny being a dick to me and acting like a maniac. I don't know what yours is if you think Kenny only has a light temper.
It was heavily implied that Troy was a sexual predator. He was obviously a sadist. It's not hard to picture him doing things deserving of being shot through his junk.
I would guess his appeal is in his directness and family-man image..
I never really liked him that much in season 1, because you had to agree on literally everything he wanted to do to gain his loyalty. The same carried out to this season, with him or against him, no compromises. I really don't like people like that... And especially during the fucked up times that they are living, you just have to be able to work with others. Kenny never gave Lee unquestioning loyalty, I don't see why I would have to give him mine either.
Kenny never acted that way for me. He only acts that way based off of how you play. So that's not really a habit. Look at how he acts withou… moret player influence. He just wants what's best for his family. And it's not that hard to talk sense into him. Yelling a lot and being a dick is a slight temper. He never kills a group member. Lilly, no matter what choices the player makes, always kills a group member. That in my opinion is the definition of a bad temper. Kenny wants you to drop Ben but it's your choice to do so. I didn't and Kenny ended up forgiving him. Because if given a chance, and with a little understanding, Kenny always comes around. Killing Carver is something I'd do, and my Clem stayed to watch. I don't hold that against him. He was harsh with Arvo, but again Arvo is someone that threatened the group. And the Jane thing, well all I can say there is Jane got exactly what she wanted, and had it been Lee and Clem everyone would be on … [view original content]
That was honestly so cute when she jumped on Jane. Jane's a typical softie with a "tough" exterior. Also, this ending brings in this new character, as far as I've seen, no one has ever hugged someone so sincerely in thanks throughout this game. It's so estranged and surprising in such far-presumed as cold world.
OK, if Kenny were an actual person, we would probably not be friends. Where would I run into him? The library? The store where I buy computer parts? A vegetarian restaurant? Maybe if Katjaa were the vet for my cats I would meet him, but I would probably think that we didn't have enough in common to be friends.
But as a character, somebody like Kenny doesn't come along very often, in any kind of story. Here's a guy who, under stress, becomes the most bossy, whiny, annoying person you can think of. The thing is, most people like that have a key that unlocks their better nature. With Kenny, the key is understanding his desperate need to protect others. When people die in his presence, it's automatically his fault. He didn't save them, and even if there was no way he could have, their deaths torture him. So he consistently chooses the actions that leave the most people alive.
In S1E1, he's mostly just protecting his family--but then he saves Lee in the rush out of the drugstore, even if you side with Larry.
In S1E2, he immediately starts yelling at Katjaa to save whomever you take out of the woods. Then when that person dies, he yells that he's sick of this and throws a wrench.
Then in the meat locker, there are five people: one is probably dead, and he moves instantly to save the other four--note that he doesn't even like Lilly, but he's thinking of her safety.
At the ruined drugstore, he's in favor of leaving the girl alive, because that will help save two people (and benefit six others).
In the raid on the motel, he yells, "Everybody into the RV!" even though previously, before things suddenly got dangerous, he tells Lee either he's "going to take his family and go" or something like that, or else he may tell Lee that he's "earned a spot" in the RV.
And of course, he tries to save Ben--somebody he hated--with everyone else safe on the roof. If Lee tries to help, Kenny locks him up behind a gate.
I saw a lot of complaints, especially this season, that Kenny was hard to figure out. But if you ask yourself "Which choice will kill the fewest people," that's the choice Kenny will want you to make. Follow him on those choices and you'll have his unending loyalty.
Of course by the end of S2, he's come unraveled. He spent a long time alone, finally found some people to hang with again, and they're all dying. Forget being "under stress;" this guy is hanging by a thread. What happens when Kenny's under stress? He's the most bossy, whiny, annoying person you can possibly imagine.
So that's what I'm talking about here: Kenny cares so much about other people that he inadvertently pushes them away. It's absolutely fascinating. From a writing point of view he's 100% consistent from S1E1 to S2E5, especially if you pick the Wellington ending. What does he do? He begs them to take the children, because as always, it will save the most lives, even at the expense of his own. If you shoot him, he's OK with that--not so much because he's miserable and wants to die, but because your Clementine is still alive and will surely be safe, even from him.
It isn't very often you find a game character well-written enough to have his very own tragic flaw in the Aristotelian tradition. So yeah, that's why I like Kenny. I liked Jane OK, but I hadn't been through enough with her to see her tragic flaw (she doesn't trust anyone) show itself in full.
There's basically two sides: on the one, people thought he was too far gone. On the other, they didn't know Jane was lying, and a bunch rewinded to save him afterwards.
Jane leaving her sister gave her a lot of guilt too though, right? I mean don't penalize someone's character for doing something that she blatantly said she refused to do for a long time... Plus, in Jane's case, she had no other option. Her hand was forced to leave her catatonic sister behind because she had no other choice available. It's a choice that Kenny (luckily) hasn't really had to make, I'm sure he'd try just like Jane did however... I'm not denying that.
And let's not forget Jane broke her own rule and came back for Clementine only because she didn't want history to repeat itself. Jane is a much more humane character than people give her credit for. A lot of people only remembering her shooting Troy in the dick (which he deserved) but not remembering Jane pulling a dying Clementine out of a freezing lake and recklessly trying to make a fire just for her wellbeing.
He left Shawn because he was too worried about his family. It wasn't right, but he just made a silly mistake in the moment. And I mean, that… more was at the very start of the apocalypse so its kind of understandable. It also ate him up inside for over 50% of season one. He had a ton of guilt.
Because he was loyal, brave and didn't have any motives apart from protecting his family. He got the truck fixed, he delivered a freaking ba… moreby, he held his shit together after losing EVERYTHING apart from Clementine and AJ. Im sorry but if you start mocking someone with their dead family and then pretend to kill one of the two things he cares about, you deserved to get stabbed.
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Logical decisions? Lets tell this guy that I left his adoptive child for dead right after pinning Saritas death on him! Brilliant! I know, lets sleep with Luke when hes meant to be on guard duty!
Jane was a freaking hypocrite
Jane was a manipulative psycho in my opinion. I think a lot of people mistake charm and social skills for being good in this game. Kenny was a wreck but he meant well. Nearly everyone else in Season 2 was only out for themselves above all else. You can't have much sympathy for Jane in my opinion. She knew what she was causing to happen.
Kenny is popular because he - sans clem - has been in the game the longest and lets face it, he is a well written and interesting character.
Maybe because it is because Kenny is not an innocent kid, he is strong and a tough guy - just like Troy - Troy realises he might be the one who suffers at the hands of carver one day?
I killed Kenny and I am a huge fan of his. She said to him it was an acccident and put her knife away, But Kenny started attacking her again and Jane fought back, She told Kenny to go. He refused. the fight went too far, Both wanted to kill eachother. Yes, She could of saved herself but for whatever reason she didn't but what if she slipped and fell on the baby killing it, Would she deserve to die? I don't think so. I waited till the last moment to shot him and then left Jane. I understood her point but she cannot be trusted. Kenny didn't have the right to kill her for what was assumed as an accident.
Some people liked Kenny and still shot him you know..
I have to say, the OP reflects my feelings on Kenny. In the 1st season he was one of my least favourite characters, and in my play-through, despite repeated attempts to curry favour with him, he left me (Lee) to go it alone (only Ben came with me). That's what was slightly irritating about the writers' obsession with Kenny this season. Conceivably, continuing on from your save from the 1st season, you could've had a poor relationship with Kenny, or at least a slightly indifferent one. For him then to become such a central character in the 2nd season, with such a loving attitude towards Clem, makes assumptions regarding a relationship that might not have even existed.
Even disregarding that, the 2nd season (again depending on your play-through) Kenny can be extremely nasty: sneering at you about Carver if you ask him to stop beating up a child; blaming Sarita's death on you, which he only belatedly apologises for; wanting to shoot an unarmed child (granted Arvo turned out to be a bit of a dick, but was still only 10-12 years old!); and reacting furiously to other suggestions from the group regarding where they should drive to. For me, Kenny was a strange character who I could never quite place in a good or bad camp, he continually messed things up when they appeared to be going smoothly, and showed little regard for Clem as a person until right at the very end.
All in all, I thought Kenny's character being so back and forth, so difficult to place, was in keeping with the 2nd season overall. Each character seemed to be going down a particular path, only for this to be suddenly reversed by an action, quite often right before they died! Take Mike and Bonnie for example. Mike struck me as a conscientious and kind person (apologising profusely to Clem for making her get the water-bottles; his treatment of Arvo), then Clem discovers him stealing all their supplies (and intending to leave 2 children, 1 an infant, without any food or water, no transport and in the freezing cold)! What?! Even if they were scared of Kenny, to leave 2 children with a man they're scared of, with no food or water? Sorry, that just seemed like a way of engineering the Jane-Kenny showdown. I understand it's the 'zombie apocalypse', but that can't be a get out clause for complete character 180s! Similarly Bonnie, who had displayed maternal feelings towards Clem and had vowed never to let her down again (following selling her out to Carver), is a key player in this abandonment. To add insult to injury, in my play-through, she blames ME for Luke's death! A child being told very explicitly by an adult NOT to do something, so doesn't do it. Again, this might be explained by grief, ZA, etc., but it makes Bonnie seem a means-to-an-end character, when they'd spent a long time trying to establish her as a character in her own right.
This consistency of character was something I think needed a little more thought in this season. If you've got a clear image of a character, who they are, what this means to you, then choices like the final one become all the more difficult. If, on the other hand, characters go from one extreme to the other, or consistently say or do things antithetical to the opinion you had formed of them, choices seem that little bit less difficult. By the way, I have watched through all the endings, and people are right, the Kenny endings are definitely better, but had I chosen them I would've felt strange. For while they are sad on their own, the preceding relationship I had developed with Kenny was not one of love and friendship. I suppose that explains why I didn't pick Kenny, but even in deciding to go with Jane, I had my doubts. Again this wasn't because I had a particular affinity towards Jane, rather she seemed like the best of a bad bunch, and it all made me feel a bit flat. Certainly, when compared to the ending of Season 1 (and the beginning of Season 2), the deaths and choices weren't nearly as emotional.
Kenny never acted that way for me. He only acts that way based off of how you play. So that's not really a habit. Look at how he acts without player influence. He just wants what's best for his family. And it's not that hard to talk sense into him. Yelling a lot and being a dick is a slight temper. He never kills a group member. Lilly, no matter what choices the player makes, always kills a group member. That in my opinion is the definition of a bad temper. Kenny wants you to drop Ben but it's your choice to do so. I didn't and Kenny ended up forgiving him. Because if given a chance, and with a little understanding, Kenny always comes around. Killing Carver is something I'd do, and my Clem stayed to watch. I don't hold that against him. He was harsh with Arvo, but again Arvo is someone that threatened the group. And the Jane thing, well all I can say there is Jane got exactly what she wanted, and had it been Lee and Clem everyone would be on Lee's side and not trying to defend Jane's moronic actions. And if it was Clem that lost AJ, I don't think for a second Kenny would freak out on her because he knows Clem, and he knows that if Clem lost AJ then there was nothing she could have done to stop it. Jane left her sister to die, she thought the baby should've been aborted, and she made it perfectly clear that she thought keeping the baby around was a bad idea. She knew exactly how it was going to look, and what it implied.
His VA even said that there was a cut storyline where he was sexually harassing Jane.
I would guess his appeal is in his directness and family-man image..
I never really liked him that much in season 1, because you had to agree on literally everything he wanted to do to gain his loyalty. The same carried out to this season, with him or against him, no compromises. I really don't like people like that... And especially during the fucked up times that they are living, you just have to be able to work with others. Kenny never gave Lee unquestioning loyalty, I don't see why I would have to give him mine either.
Well, I made my points and I don't want to repeat them so all I can say is we are not on the same page when it comes to Kenny. Quite the opposite lol.
That was honestly so cute when she jumped on Jane. Jane's a typical softie with a "tough" exterior. Also, this ending brings in this new character, as far as I've seen, no one has ever hugged someone so sincerely in thanks throughout this game. It's so estranged and surprising in such far-presumed as cold world.
OK, if Kenny were an actual person, we would probably not be friends. Where would I run into him? The library? The store where I buy computer parts? A vegetarian restaurant? Maybe if Katjaa were the vet for my cats I would meet him, but I would probably think that we didn't have enough in common to be friends.
But as a character, somebody like Kenny doesn't come along very often, in any kind of story. Here's a guy who, under stress, becomes the most bossy, whiny, annoying person you can think of. The thing is, most people like that have a key that unlocks their better nature. With Kenny, the key is understanding his desperate need to protect others. When people die in his presence, it's automatically his fault. He didn't save them, and even if there was no way he could have, their deaths torture him. So he consistently chooses the actions that leave the most people alive.
I saw a lot of complaints, especially this season, that Kenny was hard to figure out. But if you ask yourself "Which choice will kill the fewest people," that's the choice Kenny will want you to make. Follow him on those choices and you'll have his unending loyalty.
Of course by the end of S2, he's come unraveled. He spent a long time alone, finally found some people to hang with again, and they're all dying. Forget being "under stress;" this guy is hanging by a thread. What happens when Kenny's under stress? He's the most bossy, whiny, annoying person you can possibly imagine.
So that's what I'm talking about here: Kenny cares so much about other people that he inadvertently pushes them away. It's absolutely fascinating. From a writing point of view he's 100% consistent from S1E1 to S2E5, especially if you pick the Wellington ending. What does he do? He begs them to take the children, because as always, it will save the most lives, even at the expense of his own. If you shoot him, he's OK with that--not so much because he's miserable and wants to die, but because your Clementine is still alive and will surely be safe, even from him.
It isn't very often you find a game character well-written enough to have his very own tragic flaw in the Aristotelian tradition. So yeah, that's why I like Kenny. I liked Jane OK, but I hadn't been through enough with her to see her tragic flaw (she doesn't trust anyone) show itself in full.
My dog never bit me. So there.
Because he is loyal, i love Kenny. But there are much better characters out there.
'Can bite'. Not 'will bite', 'can bite'.
Basically, it was bffs until Lee disagrees with him once
Indeed. At least we can all agree that zombies are bad.
One question guys. As I know Kenny's fanbase is stronger than Jane's . I wonder how come 70% killed Kenny?
There's basically two sides: on the one, people thought he was too far gone. On the other, they didn't know Jane was lying, and a bunch rewinded to save him afterwards.
Jane leaving her sister gave her a lot of guilt too though, right? I mean don't penalize someone's character for doing something that she blatantly said she refused to do for a long time... Plus, in Jane's case, she had no other option. Her hand was forced to leave her catatonic sister behind because she had no other choice available. It's a choice that Kenny (luckily) hasn't really had to make, I'm sure he'd try just like Jane did however... I'm not denying that.
And let's not forget Jane broke her own rule and came back for Clementine only because she didn't want history to repeat itself. Jane is a much more humane character than people give her credit for. A lot of people only remembering her shooting Troy in the dick (which he deserved) but not remembering Jane pulling a dying Clementine out of a freezing lake and recklessly trying to make a fire just for her wellbeing.
You don't know jack-shit about my dog. The moment you start resorting to ad hominem attacks, you only prove your own status as a troll.
Ughh... why can't more people understand this.