Can I say something here, Remember Lee in the dream ,said that you can't always know that you made the right choice because it's not like math , well he is right.You can't know that Jane is the right one or Kenny's is the right one or Alone is the right one.Maybe they all are the right ones or none of these ending are right.
I know I must write this in a war thread , but I guess here is fine.
I'm also just a person who loves stories, characters and was attracted to the game because of them.
MOST people on the forum are into the game because of the story and characters.
Expressing your opinions is perfectly fine, but saying things like people who choose other than you are disgusting...
You can see how that's a bit too far?
Again it's fine that your choice felt deeper to YOU, but an important skill is to recognise that for lots of people the Jane ending was deep, yeah?
Think about it logically: if they only shot Kenny and sided with Jane there because they were unaware of the lie, then it wouldn't be the most popular choice to be with Jane, AJ and the family. If that were true, most people would abandon Jane.
I understand you are annoyed that more people don't agree with you - trust me, I still have no idea why people love Kenny and loathe Lilly - but the key thing is I've learned to just respect that. And that means I don't feel 'disgust' towards them, as if they're bad people.
They're just...different people. And that's fine, that's cool. The forum would be boring if everyone agreed and had exactly the same personality, and it's important to respect the importance of that without being unnecessarily harsh as I feel you were.
Well I don't mean to be causing an argument or any tension. Really, I'm not. I'm just a person who loves stories, characters, and was attrac… moreted to this game for them, and now I'm just saying my opinions of why I thought it just goes completely over my head and how I personally think for so many people to chose her. Is it the right choice? No but this game is all about all choices having consequences so I'm not saying my way was the BEST, it just felt deeper to me. I actually cried at Kenny's ending, Jane's... I felt a bit empty and guilty.
I apologize for creating tension, but this particular discussion had me debating my ass off as to why I believe Kenny's ending was the better one in more ways than one. And unfortunately you don't believe in what I think, so sorry.
Great thread, isn't it funny how you make a thread about having reasonable mature conversation and you get 114 mostly reasonable mature and funny comments.
Everyone has an opinion on the internet about EVERYTHING and if your opinion differs from someone else's that doesn't make you or them any less of a person.
Also you need to put a blunt in clementine's mouth and some like, Aviator shades. and a snapback.
Yeah, I was on youtube the other day and Cry, a let's player of the Walking Dead series, made a couple of choices in the final S2 episode, a… morend that caused quite an array of personal insults to his personal well being, then to the fact that some people unsubscribed because of what Cry did to Kenny, or possibly Jane in the final or so choices, it's utterly stupid and almost disturbing that people do this kind of shit to each other.
I completely agree that debates are the point of the forum - BUT, and it is a big but, the way they are approached by many is simply not on. People treat it like a popularity contest of 'who can get the most upvotes' and as a result both sides of the debate kind of gang together against each other and automatically upvote any comment they see that is, for example, pro-Jane and decry any comment which isn't. Same for pro-Kenny comments.
At least the removal of downvotes makes the forum less conducive to that.
I generally do agree with what you're saying, however I would say that arguing IS bad - it should always preferably be a discussion, not an argument, and when it is an argument it's hardly ever as effective as a discussion.
First off, You are right on personal insults. Attacking the individual person for their opinions is only detrimental to the overall topic be… moreing discussed, and the environment of the message board itself. While it may be an ultimately futile point to make in the land of the internet, asking people to remain civil in their discussions is at least a noble goal to strive for. =P
Second, despite some people getting overly heated, debates are a part of what these message boards are about, and what keep the spirit of the game alive. That there are so many impassioned people on these forums arguing (and even insulting people) for their favorite character is testement to the special effect the game had on them to begin with. Had the game been underwhelming, I'm sure there would be an overwhelming number of those kinds of topics on this board, if it didn't just remain empty.
Arguing itself is not bad. Despite how some people can react in their po… [view original content]
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Flog61poplee, for being civil in your approaches. To use a Biblical perspective in your point of argumentation is futile … moreif you're going to be bias in your collective viewpoint. To come to the conclusion that Jane is a "bad choice" based on lawless actions, then to come to the conclusion that Kenny is a bad one based on the same, is as equally true, because of their immoral behavior shown to us several times throughout our tenure with them. To show partiality towards Ken or Jane is a clouded judgement that holds no weight whatsoever in a proper debate as to what's the "right" or "wrong" choice, which can't be said due to the unknownness of the outcome of choosing Ken over Jane or her over him. Why can't more people be comprehensive of the simplicity of the fact of this, instead of being so consumed with their predisposition to disregard blatant truth? I'm not trying to start arguing with anyone at all, but the constant bick… [view original content]
I haven't been on since all the drama about Mass Effect 3. All of the worthless crap spewed on that forum...I just couldn't take it anymore. I'm glad to see that it's back in shape. I may consider going back.
Seriously, no dude. If you've been on there lately, you would see that it is MUCH more pleasant to be on.
I go on the Dragon Age boards t… morehere about as much as I go on these boards here, and it's a much more jovial, welcoming atmosphere at the moment.
Plus, the Bioware Social Network was closed months ago! We're now simply the bioware forum, and it's a lovely place to be
Go to the main page of the dragon age forum here and you'll see nearly every post is positive or jokey, no judgement there.
I haven't been on since all the drama about Mass Effect 3. All of the worthless crap spewed on that forum...I just couldn't take it anymore. I'm glad to see that it's back in shape. I may consider going back.
This forum is suprisingly tame compared to You Tube comments section. I've only been been 'bullied' by one member since i've joined and I use the term 'bullied' very lightly because I laughed at how intense this individual became.
This forum is suprisingly tame compared to You Tube comments section. I've only been been 'bullied' by one member since i've joined and I us… moree the term 'bullied' very lightly because I laughed at how intense this individual became.
But hey vote up for attempting to keep the peace.
Oh, youtube comments are awful.
I assume I may know which individual you may be talking about...
Does her forum name start with S and … moreare her initials on youtube L P?
I was bullied by her too, even though originally I was defending her right to express her opinion...
Telltale finally gave us multiple endings, and they argue that their choice is the right choice? facepalm, I have like 5 ending saves.. lol you chose one? smh
Also for the record, Kenny alive was the evil choice imo, he finally sees the light AFTER you make the choice but he was such a douche for two full seasons but I understand what opinions are.
But i agree with the OP, live and let live. But it will calm down on these forums soon enough, right now its all just "in the heat of the moment" talk, people are irrational and will lash out against anyone that dissapprove of their endings.
Give it a week, we will be alot more respectful towards eachother
I've said before in a similar discussion but Telltale kinda missed the opportunity to have our choices matter. Throughout season 2 we were torn between Luke and Kenny.. why wouldnt the season end with that choice rather than Jane and Kenny? Also your choices should've been pre-determined depending on who you backed the most.. or something. Would've meant going back and redoing the season, but hey.. a reason to replay is always a good idea. There arent any atm.
Luke was going to be my choice, my second favourite was Jane so I sided with her, pretty simple. But I went back to the last chapter anyway and had all the endings.
I cant accept that other people played the game differently so I have to be superior about it.
People are taking it way too seriously. At the end of the day its just a damn video game! Get over it! Hate to break it to you folks but Kenny isn't a real person!
I was there..... I got myself purposely banned shortly after ME3 came out because i was watching everyone turn into pure douchebags. That silly vote on how Femshep should look on the cover was pathetic. And the very employees weren't helping with flat out lies and saying "if you didn't like the endings then you didn't understand"
I have yet to see anything nearly as toxic as that forum. Not even fucking Youtube comments get as bad as it did there.
Why can't you guys just enjoy the Kenny vs Jane threads, you know discuss the topic and not get mad because an "immature" guy didn't agreed … morewith the OP and decided to make a shitty joke instead.
Not being able to properly handle those comments and saying things like "oh the forum is crumbling" or "I'm so sick of all the immaturity recently. Really starting to consider leaving." seems more immature to me than actually spewing shitty comments every once in a while.
Nothing is crumbling you Momos.
I've been on these forums from previous year and wow. I've never seen the forums in the state it is right now. Is that because of Kenny bein… moreg determinant? hint hint. There's a few times I doubted was my ending right, seeing the Jane hate, but I finally decided I'm happy with what I got.
Last message: PEOPLE.
DO. NOT. FIGHT. OVER. DIFFERENT. OPINIONS.
At least everyone hates Mike, Bonnie and Arvo, so that's where I'm glad about the forums XD
You got likes, therefore it's okay to personally insult someone?
Dude, come on....
With regard to the Luke thing: that was because I w… moreas misinformed about what happens. I was told that Kenny always makes them leave, which isn't true. I apologised to people for that.
But most of what I say IS substantiated. I do think things through, and I do give evidence.
Regardless of whether you think I'm okay or the face of satan him/herself, saying 'people don't like you' actually made me very upset, and was totally unnecessary.
I like how you come on this thread and you dare tell me that I am guilty of personal insults, when you just made a post saying that personally insulting people is fine if others agree with you.
If you think that having a forum where people call each other names, call each other 'mentally disabled', and are generally horrible personally to people is perfectly fine as long as it's the truth, then I am actually qui… [view original content]
That's exactly why I've been staying away from those threads. It's stupid. People are arguing for no reason... Everybody needs to calm down.… more Can we please talk about how much we hate Mike, Bonnie and Arvo or somethig? You know, something we all agree on.
Oh my god are you seriously so offended? If everyone was like you we would still have dictators in Europe. You need to be able to handle som… moree constructive critism without complaing about "person insult". And I can not remember calling you mentally disabled. Another thing is where the heck is the post? Did it get deleted or something because i can''t find it.
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Can I say something here, Remember Lee in the dream ,said that you can't always know that you made the right choice because it's not like math , well he is right.You can't know that Jane is the right one or Kenny's is the right one or Alone is the right one.Maybe they all are the right ones or none of these ending are right.
I know I must write this in a war thread , but I guess here is fine.
I'm also just a person who loves stories, characters and was attracted to the game because of them.
MOST people on the forum are into the game because of the story and characters.
Expressing your opinions is perfectly fine, but saying things like people who choose other than you are disgusting...
You can see how that's a bit too far?
Again it's fine that your choice felt deeper to YOU, but an important skill is to recognise that for lots of people the Jane ending was deep, yeah?
Think about it logically: if they only shot Kenny and sided with Jane there because they were unaware of the lie, then it wouldn't be the most popular choice to be with Jane, AJ and the family. If that were true, most people would abandon Jane.
I understand you are annoyed that more people don't agree with you - trust me, I still have no idea why people love Kenny and loathe Lilly - but the key thing is I've learned to just respect that. And that means I don't feel 'disgust' towards them, as if they're bad people.
They're just...different people. And that's fine, that's cool. The forum would be boring if everyone agreed and had exactly the same personality, and it's important to respect the importance of that without being unnecessarily harsh as I feel you were.
It is funny indeed
And thank you very much for taking the time to post here, it is appreciated a lot.
You guys should do it more often, we don't bite! (...well, most of us don't
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Forums are just like, forums.
Everyone has an opinion on the internet about EVERYTHING and if your opinion differs from someone else's that doesn't make you or them any less of a person.
Also you need to put a blunt in clementine's mouth and some like, Aviator shades. and a snapback.
That's very depressing to hear
I think I saw a thread by Lemoncakes about that...total nightmare.
It's ok, it's been happening a lot on the forum recently!
It could be worse...this could be BioWare Social Network.
I completely agree that debates are the point of the forum - BUT, and it is a big but, the way they are approached by many is simply not on. People treat it like a popularity contest of 'who can get the most upvotes' and as a result both sides of the debate kind of gang together against each other and automatically upvote any comment they see that is, for example, pro-Jane and decry any comment which isn't. Same for pro-Kenny comments.
At least the removal of downvotes makes the forum less conducive to that.
I generally do agree with what you're saying, however I would say that arguing IS bad - it should always preferably be a discussion, not an argument, and when it is an argument it's hardly ever as effective as a discussion.
Good on you, man.
Seriously, no dude. If you've been on there lately, you would see that it is MUCH more pleasant to be on.
I go on the Dragon Age boards there about as much as I go on these boards here, and it's a much more jovial, welcoming atmosphere at the moment.
Plus, the Bioware Social Network was closed months ago! We're now simply the bioware forum, and it's a lovely place to be
Go to the main page of the dragon age forum here and you'll see nearly every post is positive or jokey, no judgement there.
I haven't been on since all the drama about Mass Effect 3. All of the worthless crap spewed on that forum...I just couldn't take it anymore. I'm glad to see that it's back in shape. I may consider going back.
Oh. Well, it's much much better there now, trust me.
This forum is suprisingly tame compared to You Tube comments section. I've only been been 'bullied' by one member since i've joined and I use the term 'bullied' very lightly because I laughed at how intense this individual became.
But hey vote up for attempting to keep the peace.
Oh, youtube comments are awful.
I assume I may know which individual you may be talking about...
Does her forum name start with S and are her initials on youtube L P?
I was bullied by her too, even though originally I was defending her right to express her opinion...
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Bump, because the forum clearly needs to be reminded of this judging by some topics on the first page.
Is it me?
By the way, I love the forecasts in the title. These are really hilarious.
Not specifically, but lots of people are contributing to the situation.
Haha thanks dude, just updated it again
performs a series of increasingly complex winks and half-winks
Yes.
People sent death threats to Bioware.
Telltale finally gave us multiple endings, and they argue that their choice is the right choice? facepalm, I have like 5 ending saves.. lol you chose one? smh
Also for the record, Kenny alive was the evil choice imo, he finally sees the light AFTER you make the choice but he was such a douche for two full seasons but I understand what opinions are.
Kenny fans and Jane fans are both acting like immature idiots. Nobody is in the right here.
Mass effect 3 ending still sucks. :P
But i agree with the OP, live and let live. But it will calm down on these forums soon enough, right now its all just "in the heat of the moment" talk, people are irrational and will lash out against anyone that dissapprove of their endings.
Give it a week, we will be alot more respectful towards eachother
Actually none of them are good endings, because no matter what Luke is dead.
This.
I've said before in a similar discussion but Telltale kinda missed the opportunity to have our choices matter. Throughout season 2 we were torn between Luke and Kenny.. why wouldnt the season end with that choice rather than Jane and Kenny? Also your choices should've been pre-determined depending on who you backed the most.. or something. Would've meant going back and redoing the season, but hey.. a reason to replay is always a good idea. There arent any atm.
Luke was going to be my choice, my second favourite was Jane so I sided with her, pretty simple. But I went back to the last chapter anyway and had all the endings.
I cant accept that other people played the game differently so I have to be superior about it.
People are taking it way too seriously. At the end of the day its just a damn video game! Get over it! Hate to break it to you folks but Kenny isn't a real person!
Sorry if I just blew your mind.
The message doesn't matter. Its whose giving it apparently. Are you saying we should keep fighting because you have a problem with Flog?
I'm a "faggot retard with autism" for siding with Jane according to someone on Youtube.
This place is downright pleasant compared to most places.
I was there..... I got myself purposely banned shortly after ME3 came out because i was watching everyone turn into pure douchebags. That silly vote on how Femshep should look on the cover was pathetic. And the very employees weren't helping with flat out lies and saying "if you didn't like the endings then you didn't understand"
I have yet to see anything nearly as toxic as that forum. Not even fucking Youtube comments get as bad as it did there.
I just ignore them. But they do disrupt things as you try to weed through the posts worth reading and the idiots.
You love Bonnie?
Well then Lee hates you!
I kid I kid!
I think we can all agree on one thing.
Fuck Arvo!
Dude you have more upvotes than him so by his own logic have at it with him. Its totally in your right!
www.reddit.com/r/fuckarvo
Enjoy!
'If everyone was like you we'd still have dictators in europe'
....what in the hell......
You're acting completely loopy mate.
You didn't call me mentally disabled, I didn't say you did. But people have posted that Jane supporters clearly have a disability.
Oh, and the post is gone because I and several others reported it most likely.
I'm going to be the bigger person and not resort to insults
It's silly that people are arguing over opinions.
I was once told a saying: Opinions are like ***holes. Everyone has one.
I'm relitivly new here myself. I showed up only a few days before episode 5 came out.
Wait what did you say to me? shoots draykorinee to cause drama I swear she was turning into a walker! I SWEAR
Ok so my shtick is to be silly and put humor into things.
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