Uh... she strongly implied to someone that she killed their baby and goaded them into a fight. She has a point about Kenny but I'm failing to see the moral high road here.
That quote is irrelevant here really, unless you'[re tying to argue that both sides are justifiable, which is true.
Clem caring about Kenny is determinant. Clem caring about Jane is also determinant.
I always feel like it's more along the lines of Kenny is the better protector but Jane's the better mentor. Kenny would always rush to get Clem out of bad situations while Jane tries to teach Clem how to not get into them in the first place.
Well of course she knew that he would react like that, why else would she go through with the plan. She KNEW from the start, that she was prepared to fight Kenny. I don't think you understand a thing I wrote AT ALL. She wanted Kenny to react like that, that was her main goal, to prove to Clementine what he's capable of doing. Two wrongs doesn't make one right, just because you "got" a baby killed, doesn't give Kenny the right to kill her too. If you react like that in a world like TWD, you're just a mad dog needs to be put down.
so I guess some of y'all love getting lied to. look I don't give a fuck about your opinions, or "facts" like some say, its my clementine and… more theres no better choice here, cuz in the end everything is going to fall ergo why we having season 3. yall ae like those fucking people that go around saying that their believes, religion (mostly), way of living is wrong, its annoying. you did what you did cool, I mean that shit is going to come back to bite us in a way of some kind of way.
now me?? I thought that what jane was bullshit. point blank. theres no way around it. she fucking lied and had a man killed. and I don't care for any justification you give for jane. it don't matter that was wrong. she FUCKING KNEW WELL that Kenny was going to react that well, she KNEW that she ws going to fight for her life and don't give me that bullshit ohh she put her knife away, so fucking what??? she still didn't stop and told the truth. all that trying to p… [view original content]
I said something about that in the comments, but I guess it would had been smarter of me to do so in the real post, but yeah. I was open for opinions if u read my "edit".
Saying that it is "the best moral choice, no matter what you say" is an arrogant statement to make. No one choice is the best. It all depends on what the player decided to do in the end. You should really change the title of the thread.
Saying that it is "the best moral choice, no matter what you say" is an arrogant statement to make. No one choice is the best. It all depends on what the player decided to do in the end. You should really change the title of the thread.
Finally, somebody else who killed Kenny and posts smart arguments in the forums. Do you know how rare of a breed you are? Also, did you go with Jane? That would just make you even better
Is anyone truly 'ready to die'? Most people are always a little scared. When I reminded him of the fact that he'll see Katjaa and Duck again… more, he seemed to be quite content, which was nice
Also: if you want people to take your counterargument seriously, I would recommend replying to all their arguments and not just cherry picking the ones you have a response for.
Just a suggestion though, do as you will.
Oh you mean in the wellington ending? Well i guess they felt bad about kenny being alone and they would rather be risking there safety so kenny wouldent be lonely i guess they figured rather the family together then seperated by a wall by i did the stay at wellington choice since it was kennys wish and i couldent deny his wishes since people died to get us to wellington
Oh you mean in the wellington ending? Well i guess they felt bad about kenny being alone and they would rather be risking there safety so ke… morenny wouldent be lonely i guess they figured rather the family together then seperated by a wall by i did the stay at wellington choice since it was kennys wish and i couldent deny his wishes since people died to get us to wellington
Beating arvo was about survival...he couldn't trust this kid after what they have gone through.
Couldn't trust him? Arvo said he'd take them to the house they were staying at where they had food, and he took them to the house they were staying at where they had food. He walked through the ice just like everyone else, and just like his group must have crossed it earlier. Are you going to hold his hurrying up the pace when walkers showed up against him?
Besides, how was beating him up "thinking with his brain"? What did beating him up accomplish? If he wanted the kid dead, he should have killed him and be done with it. If he didn't trust him, then just don't follow his advice. If you don't want him around, set him free. It's not like he's going to get far without friends, guns, supplies and with a limp (so essentially, kill him). If anything, Kenny was the one being emotional, beating a kid up to feel better about a bad situation.
Instead of making the group safer, beating the kid up made the group splinter and got Clem shot. Like Carlos said earlier, actions have consequences. Intent doesn't matter. Doing what feels good in the short term is often bad in the long term.
Think of this way...Jane would of have to tell Clem to leave now with others and leave kenny..
Another thing...Jane has no right to tell cl… moreem to leave him....Clem already knew who kenny was...she was still cool with him regardless.
Beating arvo was about survival...he couldn't trust this kid after what they have gone through....the others were emotional people who thinks with emotions rather than using their brain.
If I was ARVO..and put you in the same situation...i'm sure you would probably do what bonnie and mike did...take the truck and run off.
the question is...are you even playing the same game..?
And I guess you don't either. How the fuck would you react???? Hell I'm sure that 90% people would that way even if there weren't a ZA. Like I said I guess you like being lied to, cuz that's some pretty low shit, lying about an INFANT being killed just to have someone lose their fucking mind and then having someone turn on them. It wasn't like Kenny was too far fucking gone hell he could still rationalize and know he wasn't fit to take care of the kids. Honestly I can't see any reason or explanation that defend what that character did, unless you just hate the other character or again are a blind idiot that likes being lied to
Well of course she knew that he would react like that, why else would she go through with the plan. She KNEW from the start, that she was pr… moreepared to fight Kenny. I don't think you understand a thing I wrote AT ALL. She wanted Kenny to react like that, that was her main goal, to prove to Clementine what he's capable of doing. Two wrongs doesn't make one right, just because you "got" a baby killed, doesn't give Kenny the right to kill her too. If you react like that in a world like TWD, you're just a mad dog needs to be put down.
So it's better to be a pragmatic, lying and manipulating bitch to those you consider your friends and allies? Perfectly okay to eliminate others just so you get what you want, to hell with everyone else? I'm sorry, but that's a load of crap. There's absolutely nothing remotely "moral" about Jane at all.
My Lee was always honest and rarely hid anything from Clementine. He never once lied or tried to manipulate Clementine (she even calls you on it in episode 4 if you lie about searching for her parents again) and used his last dying moments to encourage and strengthen her resolve.
Kenny never lied or manipulated her either. Yes he is not fully sane, and that temper has made him lash out much harsher than he should have more than once, but he's always put the kids before himself, as shown in his two possible endings when you go with him to Wellington.
Jane on the other hand lied and manipulated everything so she appeared the victim and tricked an 11 year old girl into killing one of the few people left she truly cared for. Jane also abandoned her sister to die and left a newborn hidden outside in a car, in the cold, the doors unlocked, and walkers all over. To say nothing of the one ending where Clem threatens the family to leave and never come back...
And you say that all THAT makes Jane superior? As Kenny would say: Fuck that!
You've ever been afraid of disagreeing with Kenny simply because of how he might react? That's one way of manipulation.
Just answer me this, if Kenny cares about Clementine, why does he tell her "just do it" after Clementine has the gun pointed at him? When Kenny is talking to Sarita after her arm got cut off, why does Kenny say "I won't be left alone again". Why does he call Clementine a stupid fucking kid?
You keep saying Jane abandoned her sister. But you do know she tried, right? Not like Kenny who leaves another person's kid to die after saving his own and having enough time to go back. Or the Kenny who leaves Lee to die, after, he disagrees with him.
Kenny might've been a good man, but he saw Sarita as Katjaa, and AJ as Duck. He didn't care about Clementine. You saw how he reacts after Sarita dies. Blaming Clementine. Sure, he said he was sowwyyy, but would it really matter? All it takes is one relatively quick violent outburst, and Clementine is gone forever. But it's ok, because Kenny is sowwy, remember?
Jane might've lied, but she played it perfectly. She didn't want to fight Kenny. She said she didn't kill him, it was an accident. Jane knew he would overreact. I knew it too, after Sarita. Jane's by far the better choice. And most people hang on to Kenny over some blind loyalty and gross facial hair.
So it's better to be a pragmatic, lying and manipulating bitch to those you consider your friends and allies? Perfectly okay to eliminate ot… morehers just so you get what you want, to hell with everyone else? I'm sorry, but that's a load of crap. There's absolutely nothing remotely "moral" about Jane at all.
My Lee was always honest and rarely hid anything from Clementine. He never once lied or tried to manipulate Clementine (she even calls you on it in episode 4 if you lie about searching for her parents again) and used his last dying moments to encourage and strengthen her resolve.
Kenny never lied or manipulated her either. Yes he is not fully sane, and that temper has made him lash out much harsher than he should have more than once, but he's always put the kids before himself, as shown in his two possible endings when you go with him to Wellington.
Jane on the other hand lied and manipulated everything so she appeared the victim and … [view original content]
no matter what you say.
No matter what I say? How about this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oaKGgS1SD8
Some people just can't shut up sometimes... smh
I'm sorry, but if Clem murdering Kenny after an event designed by Jane to push Kenny beyond his boundary is morally the better choice, I'm going to disagree with that, and say that you're wrong.
Just gonna leave this here (one of my posts, but I feel like you need to realize this ):
Let's see what REALLY happened.
Clem arrives without the baby, making Kenny be worried sick about it because it's with Jane, which is justified as we later will see.
Then Jane arrives, also without the baby. Fine. What? Definitley NOT fine!
What could possibly have happened for the baby to die, other than her killing it? AJ was alive after the car crash and when they ran away. It would be very unlikely that a walker got it if Jane doesn't abandon it.
Then there's a blizzard in which the walkers literally freeze, they can't do shit. How would the baby die? It wouldn't freeze in the 10-15 minutes it probably took Jane to carry it through a blizzard, with her giving holding it warm with her body.
She literally arrives with no reason as to why the baby is gone. She just implies heavily that it died, which there is no real explanation for other than that she wanted it to die and left it for the walkers.
Kenny already was in a bad mood, Jane mouthed off about his family, how he couldn't save them and everyone hates him and is afraid of him. He still asks her if she is ok after he steps on the brake, even though he clearly is pissed off. Also, Clementine has been shot and the only other people he seemed to have slightly liked, Luke and Mike, died or turned out to be douchebags.
AJ and Clem are the only things left that make him go on. He is a broken man, he has lost more than almost anyone we have met yet. He has lost Lee, Katjaa, Duck and Sarita, and for a long time he also thought Clem was dead. Of course that does stuff do you, do you seriously expect him to be all 'fuck it, who cares'?!
Kenny walks out to check the perimeter, if he really can't find AJ. Jane tells Clem to 'stay out of it', and doesn't explain what she meansa and what she is up to.
Kenny is back and is seriously pissed off. And I would be too if I was in his situation. I wouldn't go as far as he did, but he sure as hell is justified to be pissed off to hell and back.
He swings the first punch, but misses. Jane dodges and the first thing she does is to bring deadly weapons into it by pulling her machete.
'Don't kick a man when he's down and you already did kick him hard twice' - would be a fitting qoute.
Imagine: You are seriously pissed at someone, and you try to beat him up, then that of course isn't right. But then your opponent brings a knife with them? Jane provoked Kenny constantly after Clem was shot, and then threatens him with a machete. Would it have been that hard to just run away or just dodge him until either Clem calmed him down or he realized himself what he was doing? If you seriously think the man would kill you, wouldn't you just un away?
She puts her machete away and Kenny charges at her again. This might be the only thing he really fucked up. It was a mistake, but angry people make mistakes, and Kenny is known to be like this. In no way does that mean Kenny is now eager to kill her, it just shows that he can't let it rest that she killed a baby (it all indicated at this). Wow, how crazy.
She totally isn't crazy when she throws him to the ground and does the excact same thing Kenny did to Arvo. She doesn't listen when Clem calls her either, now does she? Then, when Clem tries to stop it by pulling her away, Kenny comes at her and she slashes his stomach with her machete, clearly trying to severly injure him. She might as well have kicked him in the nuts, it would have hurt like hell, but wouldn't have almost gutted him.
Now Kenny sees red, after she beat him several times even though she was one of the people who blamed him the most for what he did to Arvo and she has just tried to gut him. Only now Kenny is willing to go as far as to kill her. It is understandable and human that he is exploding at some point. There is a certain level of bullshit one can take, y'know?
Let's talk Lee. Lee was a great guy, no doubt, and I love him. But Lee killed a senator in a act of rage. Where is the difference between this situation and Lee murdering someone? Both saw red, both did something they later regretted. This is human, I've never seen anyone not having flaws, did you?
So it escalates, yes. After Jane is on Kenny again, trying to gouge out his eyeball with her bare hands. That isn't psychotic at all and wouldn't have led to his death by shock or bleeding out. Only now the choice pops up wether to kill Kenny or not.
He later even says he regrets it, that everything just went black and he realized to late what he was doing. Kenny has had enough, really. Punch after punch after punch. In this Episode alone, destiny bitchslapped him more than Jane in the entire series (she doesn't care about anyone but herself after Jamie's death, so it doesn't matter to her that they die).
And at any point, Jane could have stopped what was happening by just saying AJ was fine. Kenny says so himself, and I believe him. How sick must one be to
lock a baby in a car without knowing if it's safe to leave him, because things might head southways. If so, AJ would have died of hypothermia, thirst or his own shit infecting his ass! She would have left him there if he hadn't screamed, I bet you. He was in the way of her and Clem's 'sister relationship'.
let a 11 year old murder someone as close to her as Kenny to prove a point rather than just end it there and then by telling the truth
provoke someone she knows is dangerous to fight her
see Clem as a replacement for Jamie
Kenny redeems himself by sacrificing his life for Clem and AJ. We all know he won't make it on his own, he's too broken. But Jane? She was insane, but she was good at hiding it.
She was manipulative and wanted Clem all for herself, while Kenny only wants her to be safe.
Jane is the real bad guy for pushing Kenny over the edge of what any human can take, but you just can't accept it.
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Yeah I think so.
You know who Kenny reminds me of in real life?
Chris Benoit.
It's not his baby though?
I guess I was talking about Jane, how she left. But sorry for leaving the quote.
He reminds me this guy from Ink Master XD
That Mustache XD
Not because of the mustache...
Benoit had no mustache XD
ahah yeah, I know that's not what you meant XD
That quotes about death, and besides Jane came back so... O_o
Was*
;3
"YOU'RE FUCKING CRAZY!"
Could still be*
"Are you even listening? I peed on her dad."
I always feel like it's more along the lines of Kenny is the better protector but Jane's the better mentor. Kenny would always rush to get Clem out of bad situations while Jane tries to teach Clem how to not get into them in the first place.
This is what your title sounds like
"My choice was the best choice no matter what because my opinion is fact"
Stopped reading here. Your stubbornness amuses me.
Jane is rational on the other hand Kenny is lost it self, delusion and he is... INSANE.
Just look at Kenny is mess up, lost all he loved, HATRED AND PAIN you get from him, I recommend killing at sight.
YEAH I LOVE JANE
I can not belive I almost let Kenny kill Jane, fk bloody hell, and I trust Kenny with my life... Clementine life
For some people it did. His true colors were shown brighter than ever.
Well of course she knew that he would react like that, why else would she go through with the plan. She KNEW from the start, that she was prepared to fight Kenny. I don't think you understand a thing I wrote AT ALL. She wanted Kenny to react like that, that was her main goal, to prove to Clementine what he's capable of doing. Two wrongs doesn't make one right, just because you "got" a baby killed, doesn't give Kenny the right to kill her too. If you react like that in a world like TWD, you're just a mad dog needs to be put down.
I said something about that in the comments, but I guess it would had been smarter of me to do so in the real post, but yeah. I was open for opinions if u read my "edit".
Saying that it is "the best moral choice, no matter what you say" is an arrogant statement to make. No one choice is the best. It all depends on what the player decided to do in the end. You should really change the title of the thread.
no
In all honesty though, I like Kenny's ending (going with him) best.
Finally, somebody else who killed Kenny and posts smart arguments in the forums. Do you know how rare of a breed you are? Also, did you go with Jane? That would just make you even better
I agree that going with Jane is best like why would anyone want to stay with Kenny that doesn't make sense at all to me.
Oh you mean in the wellington ending? Well i guess they felt bad about kenny being alone and they would rather be risking there safety so kenny wouldent be lonely i guess they figured rather the family together then seperated by a wall by i did the stay at wellington choice since it was kennys wish and i couldent deny his wishes since people died to get us to wellington
I don't think wellington is safe.
Couldn't trust him? Arvo said he'd take them to the house they were staying at where they had food, and he took them to the house they were staying at where they had food. He walked through the ice just like everyone else, and just like his group must have crossed it earlier. Are you going to hold his hurrying up the pace when walkers showed up against him?
Besides, how was beating him up "thinking with his brain"? What did beating him up accomplish? If he wanted the kid dead, he should have killed him and be done with it. If he didn't trust him, then just don't follow his advice. If you don't want him around, set him free. It's not like he's going to get far without friends, guns, supplies and with a limp (so essentially, kill him). If anything, Kenny was the one being emotional, beating a kid up to feel better about a bad situation.
Instead of making the group safer, beating the kid up made the group splinter and got Clem shot. Like Carlos said earlier, actions have consequences. Intent doesn't matter. Doing what feels good in the short term is often bad in the long term.
And I guess you don't either. How the fuck would you react???? Hell I'm sure that 90% people would that way even if there weren't a ZA. Like I said I guess you like being lied to, cuz that's some pretty low shit, lying about an INFANT being killed just to have someone lose their fucking mind and then having someone turn on them. It wasn't like Kenny was too far fucking gone hell he could still rationalize and know he wasn't fit to take care of the kids. Honestly I can't see any reason or explanation that defend what that character did, unless you just hate the other character or again are a blind idiot that likes being lied to
So it's better to be a pragmatic, lying and manipulating bitch to those you consider your friends and allies? Perfectly okay to eliminate others just so you get what you want, to hell with everyone else? I'm sorry, but that's a load of crap. There's absolutely nothing remotely "moral" about Jane at all.
My Lee was always honest and rarely hid anything from Clementine. He never once lied or tried to manipulate Clementine (she even calls you on it in episode 4 if you lie about searching for her parents again) and used his last dying moments to encourage and strengthen her resolve.
Kenny never lied or manipulated her either. Yes he is not fully sane, and that temper has made him lash out much harsher than he should have more than once, but he's always put the kids before himself, as shown in his two possible endings when you go with him to Wellington.
Jane on the other hand lied and manipulated everything so she appeared the victim and tricked an 11 year old girl into killing one of the few people left she truly cared for. Jane also abandoned her sister to die and left a newborn hidden outside in a car, in the cold, the doors unlocked, and walkers all over. To say nothing of the one ending where Clem threatens the family to leave and never come back...
And you say that all THAT makes Jane superior? As Kenny would say: Fuck that!
Just saying telltale might surprise us in season 3
Kenny has manipulated Clementine.
You've ever been afraid of disagreeing with Kenny simply because of how he might react? That's one way of manipulation.
Just answer me this, if Kenny cares about Clementine, why does he tell her "just do it" after Clementine has the gun pointed at him? When Kenny is talking to Sarita after her arm got cut off, why does Kenny say "I won't be left alone again". Why does he call Clementine a stupid fucking kid?
You keep saying Jane abandoned her sister. But you do know she tried, right? Not like Kenny who leaves another person's kid to die after saving his own and having enough time to go back. Or the Kenny who leaves Lee to die, after, he disagrees with him.
Kenny might've been a good man, but he saw Sarita as Katjaa, and AJ as Duck. He didn't care about Clementine. You saw how he reacts after Sarita dies. Blaming Clementine. Sure, he said he was sowwyyy, but would it really matter? All it takes is one relatively quick violent outburst, and Clementine is gone forever. But it's ok, because Kenny is sowwy, remember?
Jane might've lied, but she played it perfectly. She didn't want to fight Kenny. She said she didn't kill him, it was an accident. Jane knew he would overreact. I knew it too, after Sarita. Jane's by far the better choice. And most people hang on to Kenny over some blind loyalty and gross facial hair.
No matter what I say? How about this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oaKGgS1SD8
Some people just can't shut up sometimes... smh
You should've put Kenny beating Arvo. That made more sense
That's the closest I found, plus I like the music xD
Murdering someone and killing someone are two completely different things.
So, you think pushing a 11 year old to shoot someone dead that was really close to her isn't immoral?
Just gonna leave this here (one of my posts, but I feel like you need to realize this ):
Let's see what REALLY happened.
Clem arrives without the baby, making Kenny be worried sick about it because it's with Jane, which is justified as we later will see.
Then Jane arrives, also without the baby. Fine. What? Definitley NOT fine!
What could possibly have happened for the baby to die, other than her killing it? AJ was alive after the car crash and when they ran away. It would be very unlikely that a walker got it if Jane doesn't abandon it.
Then there's a blizzard in which the walkers literally freeze, they can't do shit. How would the baby die? It wouldn't freeze in the 10-15 minutes it probably took Jane to carry it through a blizzard, with her giving holding it warm with her body.
She literally arrives with no reason as to why the baby is gone. She just implies heavily that it died, which there is no real explanation for other than that she wanted it to die and left it for the walkers.
Kenny already was in a bad mood, Jane mouthed off about his family, how he couldn't save them and everyone hates him and is afraid of him. He still asks her if she is ok after he steps on the brake, even though he clearly is pissed off. Also, Clementine has been shot and the only other people he seemed to have slightly liked, Luke and Mike, died or turned out to be douchebags.
AJ and Clem are the only things left that make him go on. He is a broken man, he has lost more than almost anyone we have met yet. He has lost Lee, Katjaa, Duck and Sarita, and for a long time he also thought Clem was dead. Of course that does stuff do you, do you seriously expect him to be all 'fuck it, who cares'?!
Kenny walks out to check the perimeter, if he really can't find AJ. Jane tells Clem to 'stay out of it', and doesn't explain what she meansa and what she is up to.
Kenny is back and is seriously pissed off. And I would be too if I was in his situation. I wouldn't go as far as he did, but he sure as hell is justified to be pissed off to hell and back.
He swings the first punch, but misses. Jane dodges and the first thing she does is to bring deadly weapons into it by pulling her machete.
'Don't kick a man when he's down and you already did kick him hard twice' - would be a fitting qoute.
Imagine: You are seriously pissed at someone, and you try to beat him up, then that of course isn't right. But then your opponent brings a knife with them? Jane provoked Kenny constantly after Clem was shot, and then threatens him with a machete. Would it have been that hard to just run away or just dodge him until either Clem calmed him down or he realized himself what he was doing? If you seriously think the man would kill you, wouldn't you just un away?
She puts her machete away and Kenny charges at her again. This might be the only thing he really fucked up. It was a mistake, but angry people make mistakes, and Kenny is known to be like this. In no way does that mean Kenny is now eager to kill her, it just shows that he can't let it rest that she killed a baby (it all indicated at this). Wow, how crazy.
She totally isn't crazy when she throws him to the ground and does the excact same thing Kenny did to Arvo. She doesn't listen when Clem calls her either, now does she? Then, when Clem tries to stop it by pulling her away, Kenny comes at her and she slashes his stomach with her machete, clearly trying to severly injure him. She might as well have kicked him in the nuts, it would have hurt like hell, but wouldn't have almost gutted him.
Now Kenny sees red, after she beat him several times even though she was one of the people who blamed him the most for what he did to Arvo and she has just tried to gut him. Only now Kenny is willing to go as far as to kill her. It is understandable and human that he is exploding at some point. There is a certain level of bullshit one can take, y'know?
Let's talk Lee. Lee was a great guy, no doubt, and I love him. But Lee killed a senator in a act of rage. Where is the difference between this situation and Lee murdering someone? Both saw red, both did something they later regretted. This is human, I've never seen anyone not having flaws, did you?
So it escalates, yes. After Jane is on Kenny again, trying to gouge out his eyeball with her bare hands. That isn't psychotic at all and wouldn't have led to his death by shock or bleeding out. Only now the choice pops up wether to kill Kenny or not.
He later even says he regrets it, that everything just went black and he realized to late what he was doing. Kenny has had enough, really. Punch after punch after punch. In this Episode alone, destiny bitchslapped him more than Jane in the entire series (she doesn't care about anyone but herself after Jamie's death, so it doesn't matter to her that they die).
And at any point, Jane could have stopped what was happening by just saying AJ was fine. Kenny says so himself, and I believe him. How sick must one be to
lock a baby in a car without knowing if it's safe to leave him, because things might head southways. If so, AJ would have died of hypothermia, thirst or his own shit infecting his ass! She would have left him there if he hadn't screamed, I bet you. He was in the way of her and Clem's 'sister relationship'.
let a 11 year old murder someone as close to her as Kenny to prove a point rather than just end it there and then by telling the truth
provoke someone she knows is dangerous to fight her
see Clem as a replacement for Jamie
Kenny redeems himself by sacrificing his life for Clem and AJ. We all know he won't make it on his own, he's too broken. But Jane? She was insane, but she was good at hiding it.
She was manipulative and wanted Clem all for herself, while Kenny only wants her to be safe.
Jane is the real bad guy for pushing Kenny over the edge of what any human can take, but you just can't accept it.
I think going with Jane is a more humane choice, while going with Kenny kind of focuses on empathy and going with neither focuses on survival.