Y'know, Jane purposefully designed it so that Kenny would retaliate first. If her goal was to show Clem that Kenny was a monster, she would act weaker so she could be seen as more of a victim.
Then again, Jane was willing to shove Clem away so she could go back at it with Kenny. Maybe she did want a fight?
Did you not hear what Jane said after the fight? She said that it was her plan to talk Clementine into coming with her. She knew that Kenny … morewas going to be pissed! She had it all planned out. But for her plan to work to put a baby in danger. That's just sick.
I wouldn't use a knife in fist fight. If I was fighting Kenny (and not know him much like Jane) I would've instead knocked him down by hitting the knee caps first then I'd quickly subdue him to submission, if needed I would just break ankle so he wouldn't fight back and end the situation quickly. Or just kick him in the nuts. To many, pulling a weapon out is sign of wanting to kill. Yes she did put it away at first. But outside her posture was a bit murderous like Kenny's. Obviously both wanted to kill each other at that point.
Still wished we could have Clem either take the knife away or shoot the air to make them stop. Those two were crazy.
But I respect your opinion. And each has their own way of doing things I guess.
Well, actually she did that for defense....
If a crazy hit me and i have a knife, obviously i try to defend myself... But Jane did never want to kill Kenny....
Did you not hear what Jane said after the fight? She said that it was her plan to talk Clementine into coming with her. She knew that Kenny … morewas going to be pissed! She had it all planned out. But for her plan to work to put a baby in danger. That's just sick.
I wouldn't use a knife in fist fight. If I was fighting Kenny (and not know him much like Jane) I would've instead knocked him down by hitti… moreng the knee caps first then I'd quickly subdue him to submission, if needed I would just break ankle so he wouldn't fight back and end the situation quickly. Or just kick him in the nuts. To many, pulling a weapon out is sign of wanting to kill. Yes she did put it away at first. But outside her posture was a bit murderous like Kenny's. Obviously both wanted to kill each other at that point.
Still wished we could have Clem either take the knife away or shoot the air to make them stop. Those two were crazy.
But I respect your opinion. And each has their own way of doing things I guess.
My initial reaction to hearing the baby cry was, "Jane, you birch!" And I knew I wasn't going anywhere with her. It took me a second to realize by the end of the season her and Kenny both sucked, and I cried after having to kill Kenny but I was not going to sit there and let him kill that woman. I don't know why Jane put her knife away because if a man or anyone ran at me with the intent to beat the shit out of me then kill me, I'm inflicting as much damage as possible. Kenny swung first, provoked or not, it's not okay.
Once again, I respect your opinion, but I think Kenny was building up his rage in that moment. You could see it. He knocked Clem aside, and … morehe was at the point beyond return already. Jane even said "It was an accident." To which Kenny will reply "Bullshit!" and "How could you kill a f******" child." I believe Jane wanted to show that once Kenny was put in a rage, he was gone beyond the point of reasoning, resorting to violence.
In fact, Jane didn't want to kill him..... she only was trying to threaten him.. And then, she knew that if she would kill kenny, Clem would never talk to her xD
My initial reaction to hearing the baby cry was, "Jane, you birch!" And I knew I wasn't going anywhere with her. It took me a second to real… moreize by the end of the season her and Kenny both sucked, and I cried after having to kill Kenny but I was not going to sit there and let him kill that woman. I don't know why Jane put her knife away because if a man or anyone ran at me with the intent to beat the shit out of me then kill me, I'm inflicting as much damage as possible. Kenny swung first, provoked or not, it's not okay.
I respect your opinion,But when Kenny was about to kill Jane, she was unarmed and defenseless , I don't think i would kill someone defenseless.It's obviously an execution.
I wouldn't use a knife in fist fight. If I was fighting Kenny (and not know him much like Jane) I would've instead knocked him down by hitti… moreng the knee caps first then I'd quickly subdue him to submission, if needed I would just break ankle so he wouldn't fight back and end the situation quickly. Or just kick him in the nuts. To many, pulling a weapon out is sign of wanting to kill. Yes she did put it away at first. But outside her posture was a bit murderous like Kenny's. Obviously both wanted to kill each other at that point.
Still wished we could have Clem either take the knife away or shoot the air to make them stop. Those two were crazy.
But I respect your opinion. And each has their own way of doing things I guess.
I respect your opinion,But when Kenny was about to kill Jane, she was unarmed and defenseless , I don't think i would kill someone defenseless.It's obviously an execution.
My initial reaction to hearing the baby cry was, "Jane, you birch!" And I knew I wasn't going anywhere with her. It took me a second to real… moreize by the end of the season her and Kenny both sucked, and I cried after having to kill Kenny but I was not going to sit there and let him kill that woman. I don't know why Jane put her knife away because if a man or anyone ran at me with the intent to beat the shit out of me then kill me, I'm inflicting as much damage as possible. Kenny swung first, provoked or not, it's not okay.
Are you sure she was trying to stop fighting? Cause there were some other ways.... like saying that the baby is still alive. She wanted a fight , if she didn't she could say it even in the last moments...
This is after she puts away the knife, in order to stop the fight....
If a crazy guy hit me when i try to stop fighting, it's logical that i become pissed and i try to kill him
No matter how you look at it Jane was trying to provoke Kenny. She hid the baby in a car. Plus you take into account her survival at all costs, Kenny's opinion of her, how she abandoned the group before and you get the feeling she's only out for herself. Kenny never bonded with Jane like Clem could've.
Although Jane has a very valid point, her execution was extremely idiotic.
Carver gets his face caved in. His brain destroyed from how much Kenny swings his crowbar. For killing Walter and beating him up.
Arvo gets beaten like Carver did to Kenny, albeit less extreme. Although Arvo got stolen from (a gun at least), lost his sister and group, lead them to a safehouse, and kept getting berated and hassled all along the way.
Jane provokes him, and without knowing the truth and working off assumptions, goes to kill Jane. He initiated the fight.
The contrast is Kenny's reaction with Clementine when she got Sarita killed. Extremely angry. Blamed her no matter what she did. Point of the matter is, if Clementine was around and AJ died or something, Kenny would fault her lack of action or the fact her action didn't help. And this would be a baby we're talking about. Kenny exploded on Jane. Would he do the same with Clementine?
Thing is though, after everything's said and done? I think Jane's plan, as idiotic as it was, made Kenny wake-up. Realize what's wrong with him. He acknowledges his anger and fears it. That he might kill Clementine if he keeps acting like he does.
Although people who say Kenny would rape Clementine are idiots.
Plenty of time to tell the truth as Kenny is slowly retreating.
What was the right thing to do :
"The baby is alive, you crazy fucker ! I left him in the car where he's sound and safe. Do you get it now, Clem ? Do you see how insane he is ? Look at yourself, Kenny, look at the savage beast you have become ! How could you even think I killed the baby ?[etc... ]"
Instead : "Just go." (guess what Jane, if he somehow believes you got rid of the baby on purpose, he won't be leaving just because you ask him to) "You fucking psycho"
It is perfectly clear and undeniable that Jane never had the slightest intention to stop the fight or to de-escalate this madness she provoked. At this point it was obvious how far shit had already gone. By telling the truth which she had plenty of time to do, she could not only do that, but convince Clementine.
At this point she couldn't possibly believe Kenny would leave just because she tells him to "just go". The only thing to do was to tell the truth.
No matter how you look at it Jane was trying to provoke Kenny. She hid the baby in a car. Plus you take into account her survival at all cos… morets, Kenny's opinion of her, how she abandoned the group before and you get the feeling she's only out for herself. Kenny never bonded with Jane like Clem could've.
Although Jane has a very valid point, her execution was extremely idiotic.
Carver gets his face caved in. His brain destroyed from how much Kenny swings his crowbar. For killing Walter and beating him up.
Arvo gets beaten like Carver did to Kenny, albeit less extreme. Although Arvo got stolen from (a gun at least), lost his sister and group, lead them to a safehouse, and kept getting berated and hassled all along the way.
Jane provokes him, and without knowing the truth and working off assumptions, goes to kill Jane. He initiated the fight.
The contrast is Kenny's reaction with Clementine when she got Sarita killed. Extremely ang… [view original content]
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Plenty of time to tell the truth as Kenny is slowly retreating.
What was the right thing to do :
"The baby is alive, you … morecrazy fucker ! I left him in the car where he's sound and safe. Do you get it now, Clem ? Do you see how insane he is ? Look at yourself, Kenny, look at the savage beast you have become ! How could you even think I killed the baby ?[etc... ]"
Instead : "Just go." (guess what Jane, if he somehow believes you got rid of the baby on purpose, he won't be leaving just because you ask him to) "You fucking psycho"
It is perfectly clear and undeniable that Jane never had the slightest intention to stop the fight or to de-escalate this madness she provoked. At this point it was obvious how far shit had already gone. By telling the truth which she had plenty of time to do, she could not only do that, but convince Clementine.
At this point she couldn't possibly believe Kenny would leave just because she tells him to "just go". The only thing to do was to tell the truth.
Lee would have the same thing if Jane lost or killed Clem, I'll give you a quote from Lee talking to Ben.
"You put that little girl in danger again, it won't be walkers you have to worry about."
That happens in another playthrough. I think this is the reason people are so divided. There are so many different endings that everyone see… mores the events in a different way. The ending you showed is the one I got so I felt that Kenny was the one that kept the fight going, but I also saw the one Franubis mentioned so I can see how people thought Jane did. There really is no right or wrong answer here, just fan interpretation.
I'm not even taking sides in this thing, Jane could have stopped him at any point by saying that the baby was alive and well but she didn't,… more Kenny didn't have to go as far as wanting to kill her but with his mental state it would have happened, they are both at fault here.
Be killed?Kenny was on top of her and she was unarmed and defenseless she was just squirming and trying to get him off at the moment and you're implying that he killed in self defense.
So she slashes at Kenny's chest because she never wanted to kill him?
Her "not wanting to kill him" doesn't make it not her fault if it results in Kenny's death. She started the string of events that could lead to his death, and the worst part about it is that Clem is the one that shoots him. Clementine is the one that shoots Kenny. Do you have any idea how hard that would be on a girl at that age?
Be killed?Kenny was on top of her and she was unarmed and defenseless she was just squirming and trying to get him off at the moment and you're implying that he killed in self defense.
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Y'know, Jane purposefully designed it so that Kenny would retaliate first. If her goal was to show Clem that Kenny was a monster, she would act weaker so she could be seen as more of a victim.
Then again, Jane was willing to shove Clem away so she could go back at it with Kenny. Maybe she did want a fight?
Her plan was to send Kenny on, not killing him.... for the safety of Clem
I wouldn't use a knife in fist fight. If I was fighting Kenny (and not know him much like Jane) I would've instead knocked him down by hitting the knee caps first then I'd quickly subdue him to submission, if needed I would just break ankle so he wouldn't fight back and end the situation quickly. Or just kick him in the nuts. To many, pulling a weapon out is sign of wanting to kill. Yes she did put it away at first. But outside her posture was a bit murderous like Kenny's. Obviously both wanted to kill each other at that point.
Still wished we could have Clem either take the knife away or shoot the air to make them stop. Those two were crazy.
But I respect your opinion. And each has their own way of doing things I guess.
Yeah then Jane said, she didn't know that Kenny would go that far, and the baby was never is any danger.
U dont know if she knew that
Well, she's still a woman... XD
Obviously i respect your opinion, I respect everyone opinion
And yes, maybe they was "Not normal", but i think that the only one Crazy was Kenny xD
My initial reaction to hearing the baby cry was, "Jane, you birch!" And I knew I wasn't going anywhere with her. It took me a second to realize by the end of the season her and Kenny both sucked, and I cried after having to kill Kenny but I was not going to sit there and let him kill that woman. I don't know why Jane put her knife away because if a man or anyone ran at me with the intent to beat the shit out of me then kill me, I'm inflicting as much damage as possible. Kenny swung first, provoked or not, it's not okay.
But Jane knocked her too at (3:15)
Anyways, Let's just say we agree to disagree for now 
In fact, Jane didn't want to kill him..... she only was trying to threaten him.. And then, she knew that if she would kill kenny, Clem would never talk to her xD
I respect your opinion,But when Kenny was about to kill Jane, she was unarmed and defenseless , I don't think i would kill someone defenseless.It's obviously an execution.
You got a point.
"Please, just leave!"
"I can't, Clem. It's time to put this crusty piece of shit out of his misery."
Same thing on both sides. It was a lose-lose situation.
I can just give you a hug, now XD
BTW are you still drawing?
*bitch. I tried to edit that word before posting and it still came up birch, sorry. Lol
Are you sure she was trying to stop fighting? Cause there were some other ways.... like saying that the baby is still alive. She wanted a fight , if she didn't she could say it even in the last moments...
No matter how you look at it Jane was trying to provoke Kenny. She hid the baby in a car. Plus you take into account her survival at all costs, Kenny's opinion of her, how she abandoned the group before and you get the feeling she's only out for herself. Kenny never bonded with Jane like Clem could've.
Although Jane has a very valid point, her execution was extremely idiotic.
Carver gets his face caved in. His brain destroyed from how much Kenny swings his crowbar. For killing Walter and beating him up.
Arvo gets beaten like Carver did to Kenny, albeit less extreme. Although Arvo got stolen from (a gun at least), lost his sister and group, lead them to a safehouse, and kept getting berated and hassled all along the way.
Jane provokes him, and without knowing the truth and working off assumptions, goes to kill Jane. He initiated the fight.
The contrast is Kenny's reaction with Clementine when she got Sarita killed. Extremely angry. Blamed her no matter what she did. Point of the matter is, if Clementine was around and AJ died or something, Kenny would fault her lack of action or the fact her action didn't help. And this would be a baby we're talking about. Kenny exploded on Jane. Would he do the same with Clementine?
Thing is though, after everything's said and done? I think Jane's plan, as idiotic as it was, made Kenny wake-up. Realize what's wrong with him. He acknowledges his anger and fears it. That he might kill Clementine if he keeps acting like he does.
Although people who say Kenny would rape Clementine are idiots.
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Remember what Kenny says during the fight? "I'm done talking!" I don't think he would even listen to Jane.
Lee would have the same thing if Jane lost or killed Clem, I'll give you a quote from Lee talking to Ben.
"You put that little girl in danger again, it won't be walkers you have to worry about."
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Plenty of time to tell the truth as Kenny is slowly retreating.
What was the right thing to do :
"The baby is alive, you crazy fucker ! I left him in the car where he's sound and safe. Do you get it now, Clem ? Do you see how insane he is ? Look at yourself, Kenny, look at the savage beast you have become ! How could you even think I killed the baby ?[etc... ]"
Instead : "Just go." (guess what Jane, if he somehow believes you got rid of the baby on purpose, he won't be leaving just because you ask him to) "You fucking psycho"
It is perfectly clear and undeniable that Jane never had the slightest intention to stop the fight or to de-escalate this madness she provoked. At this point it was obvious how far shit had already gone. By telling the truth which she had plenty of time to do, she could not only do that, but convince Clementine.
At this point she couldn't possibly believe Kenny would leave just because she tells him to "just go". The only thing to do was to tell the truth.
Who are the absolute retards who said that ?!
Wtf, who said that!? O.o
It's logical that Jane wants Kenny to leave, cause she know that with Clem Kenny would do something dangerous.
However you got a point: Jane could stop the fight when she wanted
Omg, Lee was crazy!! :O
I'm just kiddin'.... xD
Not gonna join this fight
Indeed KCohere. That being said... -Starts trashing Jane-
She does if you end up alone? c;
Clem does not have the luxury of not picking sides, sorry.
She does if you end up alone? c;
I knew what would happen when I saw Jane without the baby. I doubt I'm the only one.
Arvo's POV of Clem
Kenny was definetly in the wrong for killing Jane. But given the situation it was kill or be killed.
She could've said "AJ is alive, I hid him.. I'm sorry! Please don't kill me". She didn't, RIP Jane.
Be killed?Kenny was on top of her and she was unarmed and defenseless she was just squirming and trying to get him off at the moment and you're implying that he killed in self defense.
She was in the heat of the moment.
"She could have stopped it at any point if she just said he was alive. She just wanted a fight."
So much so she threatened to put that "crispy piece of shit of his misery."
So she slashes at Kenny's chest because she never wanted to kill him?
Her "not wanting to kill him" doesn't make it not her fault if it results in Kenny's death. She started the string of events that could lead to his death, and the worst part about it is that Clem is the one that shoots him. Clementine is the one that shoots Kenny. Do you have any idea how hard that would be on a girl at that age?
I seriously doubt Clem would make it on her own with the baby. But she will so we have the choice lel
Must I do all the thinking for you?