Shooting a man in the dick is a pretty personal thing. Why not opt to just shoot him in the face? The fact that she chose his dick to shoot … moreoff looks like there was some longstanding issue there regarding sex. And of course Troy looked to be coming around. He wanted to LIVE. Would you really want that dude in your group?
Why not? Things aren't so black and white.
Lee was a convicted killer. Did that make him a bad man?
Bonnie was a user did she not deserve a second chance (before the betrayal)
I don't think Jane was stalking the group. I think her attachments to the group she was feeling caused to her to hang around and think on it longer; so she was able to be close to the gunfight.
You mean Clementine right? She wanted to ditch everyone. The first thing she says to you alone is that your friends are pretty much going to get you killed, you should hang out with me and we can play Sister pals.
Can everyone stop the "Kenny VS Jane" God, They're both insane.
Jane: Provoked a man she knew was very unstable to prove a point
Kenny: He's very stubborn, has a very short temper, and goes off assumptions
See? They BOTH have flaws
Did you know that there are air bubbles sometimes under water?
So if you're lucky you can survive for a prolonged time.
Wait...
Could it be true?
LUKE CONFIRMED FOR SEASON 3
I'm just so tired of seeing "Jane IS SO MUCH BETTER then Kenny" or "Kenny IS SO MUCH BETTER then Jane" people need to stop trying to prove one is better then the other. Tell me, ho many times did you see "Kenny is better then Jane" and "Jane is better then Kenny"
I love Kenny but I don't defend his faults. The choices we get at the ending are difficult because both Kenny and Jane are flawed, which is why we also get the opportunity to go alone. You could just as easily make a thread called "Question to Jane lovers."
What I do defend Kenny from is the comments about how "Clem is going to get killed by Kenny one day," or some nonsense like that. Say what you want about the man, but there's one thing you'll never be able to deny and that is how out of everyone he's the one who cares about Clem the most and would do anything to keep her safe.
And I just can't forgive Jane for pulling that manipulative acting stunt that she did, leading both Clem and Kenny to believe she killed or ditched the baby. She's the one that started that death match, she seemed to be itching to stab Kenny and she told me to stay out of it, so I did. Clem's been dragged into too many fights already and I'm not going to make her kill one of the last friends she has because Jane doesn't want to put up with Kenny's 'wounded warrior crap' any longer.
Kenny is a loud and stubborn asshole, but he's a loyal one, and definitely not a liar.
She is the one that made it personal, first. I can´t remember the exact line, but she says something like: bet you have trouble seeing a lot of things these days. She mocks him for risking that Carver could kill him in the spot for Clementine; she obviously wants to make Kenny mad. And after the cringe worthy, childish name calling part, what does Kenny say for Jane to tell him fuck you? He says that he is done playing games with her, just that. Kenny was trying all the whole conversation to make her stop, but after all her insults he couldn´t stop himself, so he called her nothing. And for his point of view, he is right.
Jane leaves Clementine after she had to suffer the dead of Sarah, with nothing but a bunch of excuses, and the group and their worst moment. She comes back, okay, but there’s nothing that could make Kenny trust her, knowing all of that. And she even has the nerve to say he is just another asshole tried to save dead people when he is tried to control himself, rubs him his face that he couldn´t even see Sarita being bitten or killed, said that nobody could love him and that AJ is scared to death of him, said that Sarita talked behind his back and was afraid of him and so is Clementine, when he has done nothing but protect her when nobody else did since he first appeared this season, that every time someone around him dies is his fault and that everyone knows it. She was looking for a fight to dead well before she pretended that AJ was dead.
And that’s another thing: she really could have said that AJ was alive and Kenny could have stopped. And don’t give that crap that he was unwilling to listen, that he said he was done talking and that somehow makes a psychopath with murder impulses. Nothing prevented Jane for screaming that the baby is alive, for explaining what the hell she did, and even if Kenny did believe her at first she could have run to the car. Once he saw, there was nothing to doubt and everything could have resolved nicely. So Kenny´s was justified in killing her. Jane didn´t said anything because she views Clementine as a rendition ticket for leaving her sister to die, and wanted Clem to shoot Kenny if worst came to worst.
All you present in favor of Jane is that Kenny doesn’t know her past, what she suffered through or what he did to survive, but guess what, genius? Janny also doesn’t´ know a thing about Kenny, and you are talking about her like her only mistake was making Kenny thing AJ was dead.
And what you said about Kenny´s general attitude… I just don’t want to believe what I just read, honestly.
A strange group show up at his doorstep and Kenny accepts then, showing more kindness that they deserved, while all the cabin survivor´s do is whisper behind his back, hiding that the leader of a big and dangerous group is chasing them, hiding the murder of one of his friends, causing the murder of Walter, creating the situation that gets Sarita killed, and all everyone else can do is talk about how he looks broken, in a dark place, that he may be dangerous, that he is a labiality him his state.
And then Kenny springs back like a badass the first time anyone-Clem-treats him like a person him his situation deservers, he helps Rebecca with her baby, saving both of their lives, handles the gunfight with Arvo´s group calmly while Luke gets shoot in the leg and everyone else does absolutely nothing, just bitching because Kenny put a gun in the head on the one that started the crisis in the first place, then bitching about how badly Kenny treats Arvo while he or anyone else in the group had the right to just shoot him, bitching that Kenny nearly beat Arvo to death while he was frustrated to having talked the chance that the whole thing was not a trap and mad that Luke died because of him, bitching that going north to Wellington was a bad idea while it was the best chance anyone-not just AJ -had of surviving and going back to Howe´s was worse. Jesus Crist, Kenny´s is practically a saint.
Sometimes you have to weed the garden to, make sure the flowers stay safe.
And usually you'd do it the most efficient way possible, instead of slowly killing the weeds, wasting time causing your roses to die.
You neglected the fact that he tried to steal from the group, by gunpoint. Thieves are pretty much slow killers in the ZA, did you forget what Lilly said. "They're killing us slowly, what if Clementine gets sick and dies because she doesn't have the proper medication." I agree with Lilly.
So therefore he needs to needlessly beat the kid? You said actions matter - I'm saying that action shows that he has sadistic tendencies. There is no need to continually beat up Arvo - it's simply pointless. (Not sure if you thought I was talking about someone else perhaps).
Who cares? Kenny was raging like a Cajun. It was understandable why he was mad, his girlfriend was going to die. Clementine [Kenny?] just lost his eye protecting that girl, and your crying about how he hurt her feelings.
It's just a symptom of his shifting of the blame. He never confronts the ways in which things are his fault, always shifting the blame. And I notice you didn't touch upon Kenny's neglect playing part in Sarita dying.
HE fixed the truck. Kenny Fixed the truck, that makes the truck his. Mike didn't fix the truck, Jane didn't fix the truck. Kenny Fixed the truck. Kenny has one goal and that was to keep the kid safe. Kenny decided to take the truck he fixed to Wellington.
You don't see the problem with that attitude?
1: Had the group known that these were the rules Kenny was playing by - then everyone would've been out there fixing the truck. They of course didn't think that, they thought: Cool, Kenny's (finally) doing something useful, we might have a truck soon! Great!.
2: If we accept these rules, then the food belongs to Bonnie, she's the one who found it - not Kenny!
3: What if someone - let's just say Mike - had gone out during the night and removed a spark plug or something. Next day "Oh shit, the truck doesn't work". Mike fixes it (by putting the spark plug back), so now the truck belongs to Mike instead.
You cannot actually wish to be claiming that Kenny had any grounds for his "It's my fucking truck" attitude. That's his inner Carver coming out, and it's directly responsible for the group breaking up.
He wasted time murdering Carver,
Sometimes you have to weed the garden to, make sure the flowers stay safe.
He needlessly beat… more a teenage kid,
You neglected the fact that he tried to steal from the group, by gunpoint. Thieves are pretty much slow killers in the ZA, did you forget what Lilly said. "They're killing us slowly, what if Clementine gets sick and dies because she doesn't have the proper medication." I agree with Lilly.
He yelled at a little girl, because he neglected to protect his girlfriend in a horde
Who cares? Kenny was raging like a Cajun. It was understandable why he was mad, his girlfriend was going to die. Clementine just lost his eye protecting that girl, and your crying about how he hurt her feelings.
he had fixed the truck, so he just got to decide - this was the final thing, that made the group split up.
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So therefore he needs to needlessly beat the kid? You said actions matter - I'm saying that action shows that he has sadistic tendencies. There is no need to continually beat up Arvo - it's simply pointless. (Not sure if you thought I was talking about someone else perhaps).
Put yourself in Kennys shoes. The world ended, their no food, life is hard. This guy tries to rob you of the few meager possessions that you have, which could cost you your life. Me personally would of killed all Nate Diner Style. Kenny was generous enough to keep him alive.
It's just a symptom of his shifting of the blame. He never confronts the ways in which things are his fault, always shifting the blame. And I notice you didn't touch upon Kenny's neglect playing part in Sarita dying.
Everyone is responsible for their own protection, because in reality no one can be protected 24/7. You can blame Kenny if you want for Sarita's death. It was a unfortunate thing that happen, bad things happen. Kenny got upset and bitched like he always does.
You don't see the problem with that attitude?
Not at all. I agree with Kenny that it is "his" truck because he fixed it. Kenny wasn't being hard to deal with, here are the choices everyone had. They could of went to Wellington with Kenny or stay behind. Kenny was doing what he thought was right in the best interests of the children.
Sometimes you have to weed the garden to, make sure the flowers stay safe.
And usually you'd do it the most efficient way possible, … moreinstead of slowly killing the weeds, wasting time causing your roses to die.
You neglected the fact that he tried to steal from the group, by gunpoint. Thieves are pretty much slow killers in the ZA, did you forget what Lilly said. "They're killing us slowly, what if Clementine gets sick and dies because she doesn't have the proper medication." I agree with Lilly.
So therefore he needs to needlessly beat the kid? You said actions matter - I'm saying that action shows that he has sadistic tendencies. There is no need to continually beat up Arvo - it's simply pointless. (Not sure if you thought I was talking about someone else perhaps).
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Put yourself in Kennys shoes. The world ended, their no food, life is hard. This guy tries to rob you of the few meager possessions that you have, which could cost you your life. Me personally would of killed all Nate Diner Style. Kenny was generous enough to keep him alive.
Yes - the world is tough and unfair. Of course it is. But the group decided to let Arvo lead them to his group's place. Great! Then Kenny senselessly keeps beating up Arvo because... what? Because he feels powerless, doesn't like it, so wants to "man up" by beating a defenceless prisoner? He's literally punching and kicking him for no good reason. That speaks volumes about his character.
Everyone is responsible for their own protection, because in reality no one can be protected 24/7. You can blame Kenny if you want for Sarita's death. It was a unfortunate thing that happen, bad things happen. Kenny got upset and bitched like he always does.
Exactly - Kenny got upset and is bitching. He doesn't care about anyone else, because he has his bitching to get done. He lashes out and says idiotic shit, while others actually try to do good stuff for the group (such as Jane assisting in attempting to rescue Luke and Sarah).
So therefore he needs to needlessly beat the kid? You said actions matter - I'm saying that action shows that he has sadistic tendencies. Th… moreere is no need to continually beat up Arvo - it's simply pointless. (Not sure if you thought I was talking about someone else perhaps).
Put yourself in Kennys shoes. The world ended, their no food, life is hard. This guy tries to rob you of the few meager possessions that you have, which could cost you your life. Me personally would of killed all Nate Diner Style. Kenny was generous enough to keep him alive.
It's just a symptom of his shifting of the blame. He never confronts the ways in which things are his fault, always shifting the blame. And I notice you didn't touch upon Kenny's neglect playing part in Sarita dying.
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Yes - the world is tough and unfair. Of course it is. But the group decided to let Arvo lead them to his group's place. Great! Then Kenny senselessly keeps beating up Arvo because... what? Because he feels powerless, doesn't like it, so wants to "man up" by beating a defenceless prisoner? He's literally punching and kicking him for no good reason. That speaks volumes about his character.
Defenseless my ass. He walked across that ice sheet probably tons of times going back to his home base. He knew exactly how to take us to be safe, but he ran across the ice causing it to break because he thought he could use that chance to escape.
Put yourself in Kennys shoes. The world ended, their no food, life is hard. This guy tries to rob you of the few meager possessions that you… more have, which could cost you your life. Me personally would of killed all Nate Diner Style. Kenny was generous enough to keep him alive.
Yes - the world is tough and unfair. Of course it is. But the group decided to let Arvo lead them to his group's place. Great! Then Kenny senselessly keeps beating up Arvo because... what? Because he feels powerless, doesn't like it, so wants to "man up" by beating a defenceless prisoner? He's literally punching and kicking him for no good reason. That speaks volumes about his character.
Everyone is responsible for their own protection, because in reality no one can be protected 24/7. You can blame Kenny if you want for Sarita's death. It was a unfortunate thing that happen, bad things happen. Kenny got upset and bitched like he always does.
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I know he's done bad things, and in all honesty I felt pretty guilty about letting him kill Jane (at first. At the end of the episode I didn't regret a thing). I just couldn't bring myself to shoot him, mainly because I'm so attached to him, and whenever I see him now, I still see the family man who saved Lee's life in the first episode.
That's why I didn't shoot him, because I believe that he's still that man, and that being with Clem will give him the opportunity to prove that he is.
Yes - the world is tough and unfair. Of course it is. But the group decided to let Arvo lead them to his group's place. Great! Then Kenny se… morenselessly keeps beating up Arvo because... what? Because he feels powerless, doesn't like it, so wants to "man up" by beating a defenceless prisoner? He's literally punching and kicking him for no good reason. That speaks volumes about his character.
Defenseless my ass. He walked across that ice sheet probably tons of times going back to his home base. He knew exactly how to take us to be safe, but he ran across the ice causing it to break because he thought he could use that chance to escape.
He is the reason luke died.
It still speaks to Kenny's character, which is what I'm getting at.
If the group had decided to kill Arvo, Kenny is the kind of guy who would've volunteered to do it, and then he would get annoyed that he didn't have a torture dungeon. He seems to love inflicting pain - needlessly. It's a terrible kind of person to be.
I don't really see the point in continuing debating this, but at least we've figured out why your name is CrazyGeorge. Go in Arvo-beating peace, I guess.
I like Kenny more than Jane personally. So if I had to choose one on those merits, that's why.
But I shot Kenny so he wouldn't become more of a monster. And left Jane because her manipulation and shit was getting old fast. And I wasn't going to be Jaime's replacement if Jane couldn't trust me.
I don't really see the point in continuing debating this, but at least we've figured out why your name is CrazyGeorge. Go in Arvo-beating peace, I guess
It still speaks to Kenny's character, which is what I'm getting at.
If the group had decided to kill Arvo, Kenny is the kind of guy who w… moreould've volunteered to do it, and then he would get annoyed that he didn't have a torture dungeon. He seems to love inflicting pain - needlessly. It's a terrible kind of person to be.
I don't really see the point in continuing debating this, but at least we've figured out why your name is CrazyGeorge. Go in Arvo-beating peace, I guess.
I don't really see the point in continuing debating this, but at least we've figured out why your name is CrazyGeorge. Go in Arvo-beating peace, I guess
"Your halo slipping down to choke you now"
I think I've identified a place, where we've been speaking past each other.
You think I'm talking about Kenny beating Arvo, after they've… more reached the house.
But I am talking about his beating on him during their walk.
And I'll try not to let my halo chok.. Oh you changed your comment... Don't worry, us Angels can't be choked out
After the motor inn, I never really liked Kenny. Jane I liked, however, as I felt she wasn't the sort of person to break down suddenly.
The problem is, I agree with Kenny more often than not. I saw no point to staying at the motor inn for months, I agreed that Larry's head had to be smashed in, and I thought going back to Howe's Hardware was only going to be a temporary solution. So, despite his flaws as a person, I think Kenny is the lesser evil.
Had no trouble abandoning him once I arrived at Wellington, though, but his goodbye speech somewhat redeemed him in my eyes.
Unfortunately, I chose to go with Jane first, as I thought I'd then have the option to choose to go to Wellington.
It's funny how everyone hated Larry for his explosive temper, but with Kenny the treatment is completely different. everyone seems to overlook all that Kenny did. if you analyze the behavior of the two, you will realize that they are very similar. especially after Kenny lost Sarita.
The difference is that Larry had heart problems and couldn't beat everyone around him. but be assured that this is exactly what he would do if he had a healthy heart. (..although he actually punched Lee Everett once. as Lee himself said: "He knocked me flat!").
Even with all the concerned and intimidated people of the group warning about Kenny's instability. this wasn't enough to make it clear that the man wasn't thinking straight. Yup. he really cared about Clem and AJ. and wanted at all costs to leave them safe. but that doesn't give him the right to go nuclear with everyone. and this behavior was costly to all.. Clem had a history with him, and this should be respected. but Clem is not a puppy, she can think for herself and choose what is best for her. and that was exactly what Jane tried to say countless times. but people simply can not see it.
To tell you my reasons why I defend Kenny, is t tell you my reasons why I am a Kenny fan. It's my pleasure (although I'm tired of writing why for too long, but here we go again).
Kenny cared for Clementine more than anybody in that group cared for her. Keny cared for Clem ore than Luke and Jane combined. He had a temper sure, but that don't mean he was a danger to Clementine. Kenny never listens to Clementine? Are you sure?
Clementine tells him to out the gun down, so Alvin doesn't get killed, he does. Clementine tells him to stop hitting Arvo, he does. Clementine tells him to calm down in most heated moments, he does. Clementine was the one who convinced Kenny to wait a few days after Rebecca gave birth. Clementine was also the one who convinces Kenny to not abandon the group back at Arvo's. Clementine is the one who makes Kenny snap out of it after he lost Saritah, in order for him to help deliver the baby. So yeah, Kenny DOES listen to Clementine.
Kenny also does more good things than bad. He cared for most people in the group. He felt bad they talked abut him in the back. He helps Rebecca to give birth with the baby. He feels hurt when the group distrust him, and give him shit for beating a ruskie brat who almost got 'em killed. He felt the loss of Luke, even though both fought a lot. Kenny is not a lose canon like everybody says he is. he's just a wounded man with a temper.
When Kenny tells Jane that she's a nobody, I admit he was a dick there. (although their discussion was funny, they both looked like kids).
But the thing is Kenny has been trying to find Wellington for two years already. He won't change his mind about it because some woman says it's a bad idea. And going back to Carver's seemed like a worst idea. Remember how that place was when you left it? FULL OF WALKERS. I was surprised no one came with that point, and TT didn't gave us the option to say that. Anyway, I was also se to find Wellington, Christa's and Clementine's plan was that to begin with.
At the end of the day, the reason I like Kenny, is because he's special and caring for Clementine, and because of his personality. People seem to forget he is a guy who put those he cares for before himself. Risks his life for 'em and has gone trough much, I'm surprised he never took his own life. I make Clementine side with him, because he needs someone to acknowledge his work. It's like he says in S1 episode 3 when you're back in Macon "A thank you would be nice!".
Kenny is a guy, that needs love. And that's what we Kenny fans give him.
I defend Kenny because I think that underneath his anger problems and his bullheadedness and all of his pain that he's still a good person. I won't deny that he's done some things that are pretty fucked up and that he can be a real shithead at times, but in the end he's always at least trying to do what's right. Like when he takes the beating for Clem or when he's willing to let Clem and AJ go into Wellington without him, despite them being all he has left. He's a flawed man that attempts to rise above his problems, but doesn't always succeed.
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There was an attachment to Luke as well.
Kenny has a heart of Gold, where Jane has a heart of Evil.
Luke confirmed for season 3! ;o we need to think possitively c;
I'm just so tired of seeing "Jane IS SO MUCH BETTER then Kenny" or "Kenny IS SO MUCH BETTER then Jane" people need to stop trying to prove one is better then the other. Tell me, ho many times did you see "Kenny is better then Jane" and "Jane is better then Kenny"
QUICK , IF WE ALL THINK POSITIVELY AND THEN IT WILL HAPPEN.
#IFLUKESDEADWERIOT!
Love your name. Old school RE, there!
#IfLukeisdeadweriot!;P
He could buy a boat, a RV and a truck by selling his heart.
I love Kenny but I don't defend his faults. The choices we get at the ending are difficult because both Kenny and Jane are flawed, which is why we also get the opportunity to go alone. You could just as easily make a thread called "Question to Jane lovers."
What I do defend Kenny from is the comments about how "Clem is going to get killed by Kenny one day," or some nonsense like that. Say what you want about the man, but there's one thing you'll never be able to deny and that is how out of everyone he's the one who cares about Clem the most and would do anything to keep her safe.
And I just can't forgive Jane for pulling that manipulative acting stunt that she did, leading both Clem and Kenny to believe she killed or ditched the baby. She's the one that started that death match, she seemed to be itching to stab Kenny and she told me to stay out of it, so I did. Clem's been dragged into too many fights already and I'm not going to make her kill one of the last friends she has because Jane doesn't want to put up with Kenny's 'wounded warrior crap' any longer.
Kenny is a loud and stubborn asshole, but he's a loyal one, and definitely not a liar.
No she didn't. She didn't care about him, she left without even saying goodbye. She even says so in dialogue.
A heart that pure would sell on the home shopping network for 8 billion dollars.
If she didn't care about him, why was she visibly upset when he died?
In the wise words of the late Richard Aiken: "There are terrible demons. OWCH!"
Quick! Use the luke aqua man pic to prove to people luke can live!
Yeah, he's alive because he is aqua man;o
LOL
Fo' real!
She is the one that made it personal, first. I can´t remember the exact line, but she says something like: bet you have trouble seeing a lot of things these days. She mocks him for risking that Carver could kill him in the spot for Clementine; she obviously wants to make Kenny mad. And after the cringe worthy, childish name calling part, what does Kenny say for Jane to tell him fuck you? He says that he is done playing games with her, just that. Kenny was trying all the whole conversation to make her stop, but after all her insults he couldn´t stop himself, so he called her nothing. And for his point of view, he is right.
Jane leaves Clementine after she had to suffer the dead of Sarah, with nothing but a bunch of excuses, and the group and their worst moment. She comes back, okay, but there’s nothing that could make Kenny trust her, knowing all of that. And she even has the nerve to say he is just another asshole tried to save dead people when he is tried to control himself, rubs him his face that he couldn´t even see Sarita being bitten or killed, said that nobody could love him and that AJ is scared to death of him, said that Sarita talked behind his back and was afraid of him and so is Clementine, when he has done nothing but protect her when nobody else did since he first appeared this season, that every time someone around him dies is his fault and that everyone knows it. She was looking for a fight to dead well before she pretended that AJ was dead.
And that’s another thing: she really could have said that AJ was alive and Kenny could have stopped. And don’t give that crap that he was unwilling to listen, that he said he was done talking and that somehow makes a psychopath with murder impulses. Nothing prevented Jane for screaming that the baby is alive, for explaining what the hell she did, and even if Kenny did believe her at first she could have run to the car. Once he saw, there was nothing to doubt and everything could have resolved nicely. So Kenny´s was justified in killing her. Jane didn´t said anything because she views Clementine as a rendition ticket for leaving her sister to die, and wanted Clem to shoot Kenny if worst came to worst.
All you present in favor of Jane is that Kenny doesn’t know her past, what she suffered through or what he did to survive, but guess what, genius? Janny also doesn’t´ know a thing about Kenny, and you are talking about her like her only mistake was making Kenny thing AJ was dead.
And what you said about Kenny´s general attitude… I just don’t want to believe what I just read, honestly.
A strange group show up at his doorstep and Kenny accepts then, showing more kindness that they deserved, while all the cabin survivor´s do is whisper behind his back, hiding that the leader of a big and dangerous group is chasing them, hiding the murder of one of his friends, causing the murder of Walter, creating the situation that gets Sarita killed, and all everyone else can do is talk about how he looks broken, in a dark place, that he may be dangerous, that he is a labiality him his state.
And then Kenny springs back like a badass the first time anyone-Clem-treats him like a person him his situation deservers, he helps Rebecca with her baby, saving both of their lives, handles the gunfight with Arvo´s group calmly while Luke gets shoot in the leg and everyone else does absolutely nothing, just bitching because Kenny put a gun in the head on the one that started the crisis in the first place, then bitching about how badly Kenny treats Arvo while he or anyone else in the group had the right to just shoot him, bitching that Kenny nearly beat Arvo to death while he was frustrated to having talked the chance that the whole thing was not a trap and mad that Luke died because of him, bitching that going north to Wellington was a bad idea while it was the best chance anyone-not just AJ -had of surviving and going back to Howe´s was worse. Jesus Crist, Kenny´s is practically a saint.
you mean "eight billion boats"
And usually you'd do it the most efficient way possible, instead of slowly killing the weeds, wasting time causing your roses to die.
So therefore he needs to needlessly beat the kid? You said actions matter - I'm saying that action shows that he has sadistic tendencies. There is no need to continually beat up Arvo - it's simply pointless. (Not sure if you thought I was talking about someone else perhaps).
It's just a symptom of his shifting of the blame. He never confronts the ways in which things are his fault, always shifting the blame. And I notice you didn't touch upon Kenny's neglect playing part in Sarita dying.
You don't see the problem with that attitude?
1: Had the group known that these were the rules Kenny was playing by - then everyone would've been out there fixing the truck. They of course didn't think that, they thought: Cool, Kenny's (finally) doing something useful, we might have a truck soon! Great!.
2: If we accept these rules, then the food belongs to Bonnie, she's the one who found it - not Kenny!
3: What if someone - let's just say Mike - had gone out during the night and removed a spark plug or something. Next day "Oh shit, the truck doesn't work". Mike fixes it (by putting the spark plug back), so now the truck belongs to Mike instead.
You cannot actually wish to be claiming that Kenny had any grounds for his "It's my fucking truck" attitude. That's his inner Carver coming out, and it's directly responsible for the group breaking up.
She didn't get that AK he was holding.
LOL! This photo is brilliant!
Put yourself in Kennys shoes. The world ended, their no food, life is hard. This guy tries to rob you of the few meager possessions that you have, which could cost you your life. Me personally would of killed all Nate Diner Style. Kenny was generous enough to keep him alive.
Everyone is responsible for their own protection, because in reality no one can be protected 24/7. You can blame Kenny if you want for Sarita's death. It was a unfortunate thing that happen, bad things happen. Kenny got upset and bitched like he always does.
Not at all. I agree with Kenny that it is "his" truck because he fixed it. Kenny wasn't being hard to deal with, here are the choices everyone had. They could of went to Wellington with Kenny or stay behind. Kenny was doing what he thought was right in the best interests of the children.
Yes - the world is tough and unfair. Of course it is. But the group decided to let Arvo lead them to his group's place. Great! Then Kenny senselessly keeps beating up Arvo because... what? Because he feels powerless, doesn't like it, so wants to "man up" by beating a defenceless prisoner? He's literally punching and kicking him for no good reason. That speaks volumes about his character.
Exactly - Kenny got upset and is bitching. He doesn't care about anyone else, because he has his bitching to get done. He lashes out and says idiotic shit, while others actually try to do good stuff for the group (such as Jane assisting in attempting to rescue Luke and Sarah).
I tried to trust him, and we found Wellington...Was truth
Defenseless my ass. He walked across that ice sheet probably tons of times going back to his home base. He knew exactly how to take us to be safe, but he ran across the ice causing it to break because he thought he could use that chance to escape.
He is the reason luke died.
I know he's done bad things, and in all honesty I felt pretty guilty about letting him kill Jane (at first. At the end of the episode I didn't regret a thing). I just couldn't bring myself to shoot him, mainly because I'm so attached to him, and whenever I see him now, I still see the family man who saved Lee's life in the first episode.
That's why I didn't shoot him, because I believe that he's still that man, and that being with Clem will give him the opportunity to prove that he is.
And this somehow makes him less bound and defenceless earlier when Kenny is senselessly beating on him?
I didn't care that kenny beat the shit out of Arvo. I felt he intentionally got luke killed and it was quite justified.
It still speaks to Kenny's character, which is what I'm getting at.
If the group had decided to kill Arvo, Kenny is the kind of guy who would've volunteered to do it, and then he would get annoyed that he didn't have a torture dungeon. He seems to love inflicting pain - needlessly. It's a terrible kind of person to be.
I don't really see the point in continuing debating this, but at least we've figured out why your name is CrazyGeorge. Go in Arvo-beating peace, I guess.
I like Kenny more than Jane personally. So if I had to choose one on those merits, that's why.
But I shot Kenny so he wouldn't become more of a monster. And left Jane because her manipulation and shit was getting old fast. And I wasn't going to be Jaime's replacement if Jane couldn't trust me.
"Your halo slipping down to choke you now"
I think I've identified a place, where we've been speaking past each other.
You think I'm talking about Kenny beating Arvo, after they've reached the house.
But I am talking about his beating on him during their walk.
And I'll try not to let my halo chok.. Oh you changed your comment... Don't worry, us Angels can't be choked out
Its a verse from a Song. I couldn't remember the exact words so i looked it up. You got me Get back to me when you figure out what those words mean.
After the motor inn, I never really liked Kenny. Jane I liked, however, as I felt she wasn't the sort of person to break down suddenly.
The problem is, I agree with Kenny more often than not. I saw no point to staying at the motor inn for months, I agreed that Larry's head had to be smashed in, and I thought going back to Howe's Hardware was only going to be a temporary solution. So, despite his flaws as a person, I think Kenny is the lesser evil.
Had no trouble abandoning him once I arrived at Wellington, though, but his goodbye speech somewhat redeemed him in my eyes.
Unfortunately, I chose to go with Jane first, as I thought I'd then have the option to choose to go to Wellington.
I know... xD
Well either it's a version of "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" or it's a note about not being too sanctimonious.
It's funny how everyone hated Larry for his explosive temper, but with Kenny the treatment is completely different. everyone seems to overlook all that Kenny did. if you analyze the behavior of the two, you will realize that they are very similar. especially after Kenny lost Sarita.
The difference is that Larry had heart problems and couldn't beat everyone around him. but be assured that this is exactly what he would do if he had a healthy heart. (..although he actually punched Lee Everett once. as Lee himself said: "He knocked me flat!").
Even with all the concerned and intimidated people of the group warning about Kenny's instability. this wasn't enough to make it clear that the man wasn't thinking straight. Yup. he really cared about Clem and AJ. and wanted at all costs to leave them safe. but that doesn't give him the right to go nuclear with everyone. and this behavior was costly to all.. Clem had a history with him, and this should be respected. but Clem is not a puppy, she can think for herself and choose what is best for her. and that was exactly what Jane tried to say countless times. but people simply can not see it.
To tell you my reasons why I defend Kenny, is t tell you my reasons why I am a Kenny fan. It's my pleasure (although I'm tired of writing why for too long, but here we go again).
Kenny cared for Clementine more than anybody in that group cared for her. Keny cared for Clem ore than Luke and Jane combined. He had a temper sure, but that don't mean he was a danger to Clementine. Kenny never listens to Clementine? Are you sure?
Clementine tells him to out the gun down, so Alvin doesn't get killed, he does. Clementine tells him to stop hitting Arvo, he does. Clementine tells him to calm down in most heated moments, he does. Clementine was the one who convinced Kenny to wait a few days after Rebecca gave birth. Clementine was also the one who convinces Kenny to not abandon the group back at Arvo's. Clementine is the one who makes Kenny snap out of it after he lost Saritah, in order for him to help deliver the baby. So yeah, Kenny DOES listen to Clementine.
Kenny also does more good things than bad. He cared for most people in the group. He felt bad they talked abut him in the back. He helps Rebecca to give birth with the baby. He feels hurt when the group distrust him, and give him shit for beating a ruskie brat who almost got 'em killed. He felt the loss of Luke, even though both fought a lot. Kenny is not a lose canon like everybody says he is. he's just a wounded man with a temper.
When Kenny tells Jane that she's a nobody, I admit he was a dick there. (although their discussion was funny, they both looked like kids).
But the thing is Kenny has been trying to find Wellington for two years already. He won't change his mind about it because some woman says it's a bad idea. And going back to Carver's seemed like a worst idea. Remember how that place was when you left it? FULL OF WALKERS. I was surprised no one came with that point, and TT didn't gave us the option to say that. Anyway, I was also se to find Wellington, Christa's and Clementine's plan was that to begin with.
At the end of the day, the reason I like Kenny, is because he's special and caring for Clementine, and because of his personality. People seem to forget he is a guy who put those he cares for before himself. Risks his life for 'em and has gone trough much, I'm surprised he never took his own life. I make Clementine side with him, because he needs someone to acknowledge his work. It's like he says in S1 episode 3 when you're back in Macon "A thank you would be nice!".
Kenny is a guy, that needs love. And that's what we Kenny fans give him.
I defend Kenny because I think that underneath his anger problems and his bullheadedness and all of his pain that he's still a good person. I won't deny that he's done some things that are pretty fucked up and that he can be a real shithead at times, but in the end he's always at least trying to do what's right. Like when he takes the beating for Clem or when he's willing to let Clem and AJ go into Wellington without him, despite them being all he has left. He's a flawed man that attempts to rise above his problems, but doesn't always succeed.