Not gonna lie, this post is REALLY bias.Your forgetting that Jane saved Kenny, which might of even lead to saving other people in the group, lead Clem + Rebecca out of the herd of walkers.
AND pretty much told the group survival tips throughout the entire show, covering in guts (Clem already knew, but the fact that she mentioned it first is what counts) Screwdriver, ext, shes a good person.
Jane knew what Kenny would become sooner or later, and she wanted to protect Clementine from that. Making Kenny believe that the baby had died was just the right thing to show what Kenny is capable of and she thought that would be enough to convince Clementine to leave Kenny and come with Jane instead. I knew that i had to put Kenny down or atleast leave him, even before the fight started.
Kenny becoming another Carver wasnt matter of if, but when, and thats the reason Jane had to trick Kenny into showing his true colors.
Jane didn't get them out of Carvers camp, it was a team effort. Kenny suggested attracting walkers, Mike and Rebecca mentioned speakers and the controls, Clem and Luke worked on the radios, hell, even Alvin (a determinent) had a role in it. Jane did do an important thing, she told them about walker guts, and all credits go to her for that, but she didn't do it alone, she said it herself, she never had the people to do it.Carvers camp isn't all that bad. It had safety, food, supplies and people, everything you need to survive. Hell, if the group wasn't so stubborn and actually gave that place a chance, maybe thing would have turned out happier and better And Carver wouldn't rape anyone, and he wouldn't torture them if they didn't do stupid things
Making Troy a distraction isn't smart, its sick and disgusting ( more so than what Kenny did to Carver, okay, maybe not but whateves ). She didn't have to shoot him in the dick, she could have just shot him in the chest, or the heart, the walkers would still smell blood and go to eat him, shooting him in the dick was uncalled for, it was sick
She saved Rebecca, yeah. She didn't save Clementine because even if Rebecca died in the herd, Clem would have lived, because Clem was calm and cool about it, and also Jane hesitated too much, she was planning on leaving them, a normal person would help them without thinking about it, she had nothing to lose by helping them, and she knows a technique to move the walkers out of the way ( the cow catcher )
Mike would have gone out looking for them, and so would Bonnie. Jane just simply volunteered. She didn't know Sarah wasn't gonna make it, she just didn't believe in Sarah and in Sarahs character, personality, and strength ( which Sarah had a lot of, considering what her father did to her, because after you save her Sarah tries the best she can to survive ). Wow, really, by telling her to get out she saved Clems life ? She didn't save her life by telling her to get out, Clem knew she had to get out sooner or later, it's common sense. So all in all for now Jane saved Clem.... 0 TIMES
5.Yeah, its really hard to spot that observation deck ( sarcasm ). I don't think anything needs to be said about this, ofc she found it, it was under ( I mean above her nose ).... So she didn't save any lives, really.
I find the fact that Jane was there a very, very negative thing. First of all, Arvo said it himself, he doesn't wanna shoot anyone, and that he will leave now, and I believe in that. I mean, face it, arvo is a little bitch, he probably doesn't even know how to pull the trigger. Jane being there is a negative thing, because, first of all, she took the gun from a kid who wouldn't even use it ( she heard Arvo say those things ), and she tried to convince Clem to take the meds ( failed, in my case ). So yeah, Jane being there was a really bad thing, and she didn't save Clem in that situation, she only made things worse
What, the knee thing ? Yeah, Clem already used that, so.... Yeah, pretty much
I didn't take the nail file, so don't know what that is all about
I can't say nothing about that, I think in her heart she really meant what she said... Kenny's a mess, so is Luke, and Rebecca is pregnant
I really thing she had good intentions on this one... But, stealing the meds is just wrong, so she pretty much tries to convince you to do the wrong thing
I give her total credit for this one, when I saw her I was yelling : JANE YOU ARE MY HERO, I'M SO GLAD YOU'RE BACK !!!!
That was pretty awesome of her and I respect her for that, like, a lot
True again, and in that situation Kenny was being a total dick, so again, THANK YOU JANE for doing that, although the fire thing was kind of a thing of common sense, I mean, anyone would start a fire to save a freezing Clementine, except for Kenny it appears, he was being a real douche there.... So, another act of Heroism by Jane
We don't know that, we only heard Kenny when Clem was shot, we don't know what Jane did in that situation... They would overpower Kenny ?? Those guys fear him more than devil himself, they probably wouldn't dare to do anything, because they know how crazy Kenny is, and in that moment Kenny came out only Arvo had his weapon out, so if anyone went reaching for their weapon Kenny would shoot them in the head, and then Arvo would shoot Kenny, but Kenny isn't dead so we know that none of them went reaching for their weapons to fight... They probably ran like Scooby doo gang
13.Yeah, and that makes her a great person, how ? It's only the Normal thing to take care of the baby, so i don't know how that makes her the hero ?
Yeah, the best thing to do for Clem is to go into a fight with her good friend ( that's cannon my friends ), let her witness brutality unlike she's never seen ( not even Carver murder was as brutal ), force her into killing her friend ( determinent ), hide the one thing that man cares about and tell him it's dead to drive him into insanity mode
Jane manipulated Clem into killing Kenny, that's a fact... She tells Clem to stay out of it, and then if you let the timer run just before it runs out, she says : Clem, help me !
Sorry bitch, but you DEAD for what you did, you told me to stay out of it, I figured this is a part of your plan
Your big PLAAAN, some FUCKING PLAAN ( in Nick voice )
Kenny will take you to a community full of people ( children ) who can protect you and look out for you, feed you and the baby, and keep you safe, mentally and phisically healthy, and Wellington is more safe from walkers than Howe's because of the cold, so, I don't see your point
No, she didn't do more than Kenny, I just proved that by finding a flaw in almost everything you said, again she didn't do shit for the group ( she was in it for Clem all the time, she even said it ), Kenny never really broke the group apart, he never caused other people to get angry at each other, Kenny doesn't own anything to the group, hell, that group ruined his life by getting him into the Carver business
THE END
So, yeah, Jane isn't such a hero after all is she
I'm not a Kenny apologist or a hardcore Kenny fan, all I'm saying is, Jane isn't as perfect as your post makes her
Thank you for reading
Edit : I don't know why the numbers are so messed up, I really don't know how this thing works
Jane:
* She got them out of Carvers lair, you all know how bad that place is and if they stayed any longer Carver could've killed anoth… moreer member, raped, tortured? So she basically saved some lives here
* She killed Troy while he had the group at gunpoint. Nobody else had a gun... Also she was smart enough to make Troy a dinnerbell ( Distraction ) to make their escape easier.
* She saved Rebecca and Clementine from the herd.
* She saved Sarah and Luke from the trailer park, nobody else would've gone out looking for them. She did wanna save Sarah but she knew Sarah wasn't gonna make it. Also when Clementine tries to get Sarah out she tells Clementine to come out because if she stays any longer she could've died with Sarah (She saves Clem 3 times now)
* She found the observation deck which saved a couple lives
* She protected Clem from Arvo, what if Jane wasn't there and Arvo saw Clem? Who knows what would've happend then.
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How I could consider it? Well I thought of Clem's best chance of survival.. Ultimately it boiled down to if she could really live with herself after shooting Kenny, so I looked away.. After seeing Jane hid the baby it was clearly the right choice.
Yeah, i agree.
I made my cousin play the episode 2 days ago, and he said...
"How could someone even consider shooting Kenny ?"
Yeah... i'm happy to see that it's not everyone who thinks it's necessary to kill Kenny.
What ive been thinking these few days is that how fucking sick people are...I cant understand why anyone (well, expect psycopaths and murderers) would not shoot Kenny. Even Kenny says that you made the right choice, even he knew that what he was doing was wrong.
I dont think that its necessary to be with Jane, but its definitely not right to let Kenny murder Jane. People tend to be too emotional when making decisions, because they dont think like they should in zombie apocalypse. Jane is best option to increase Clementines chances of survival and that is a fact.
Yeah, i agree.
I made my cousin play the episode 2 days ago, and he said...
"How could someone even consider shooting Kenny ?"
Yeah... i'm happy to see that it's not everyone who thinks it's necessary to kill Kenny.
* Jane didn't get them out of Carvers camp, it was a team effort. Kenny suggested attracting walkers, Mike and Rebecca mentioned speakers an… mored the controls, Clem and Luke worked on the radios, hell, even Alvin (a determinent) had a role in it. Jane did do an important thing, she told them about walker guts, and all credits go to her for that, but she didn't do it alone, she said it herself, she never had the people to do it.Carvers camp isn't all that bad. It had safety, food, supplies and people, everything you need to survive. Hell, if the group wasn't so stubborn and actually gave that place a chance, maybe thing would have turned out happier and better And Carver wouldn't rape anyone, and he wouldn't torture them if they didn't do stupid things
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What ive been thinking these few days is that how fucking sick people are...I cant understand why anyone (well, expect psycopaths and murder… moreers) would not shoot Kenny. Even Kenny says that you made the right choice, even he knew that what he was doing was wrong.
I dont think that its necessary to be with Jane, but its definitely not right to let Kenny murder Jane. People tend to be too emotional when making decisions, because they dont think like they should in zombie apocalypse. Jane is best option to increase Clementines chances of survival and that is a fact.
How I could consider it? Well I thought of Clem's best chance of survival.. Ultimately it boiled down to if she could really live with herself after shooting Kenny, so I looked away.. After seeing Jane hid the baby it was clearly the right choice.
So... would you let your old friend (who has slowly turned into violent maniac) kill your new friend for no proper reason, because lets be honest, as soon as she didnt have the baby with him, Kenny chose to kill her, no matter the reason why baby died.
And if you would have a shred of rationality left in you, you would realise that Jane is better survivor than Kenny... Kenny is alive only because writers chose to magically resurrect him.
Kenny doesnt mind killing other people, while Jane actually needs proper reason for killing. She got shocked after stabbing that russian guy in neck, even tho she knew he had to die. But he hadnt done anything wrong to her, so she had no good reason to kill him, except than saving Clem.
You don't shoot a "dad" that thinks his "son" just died.
I'm not saying that Kenny is AJ's dad, but think it that way...
And no, that's not a fact, it's a possibility.
So... would you let your old friend (who has slowly turned into violent maniac) kill your new friend for no proper reason, because lets be h… moreonest, as soon as she didnt have the baby with him, Kenny chose to kill her, no matter the reason why baby died.
And if you would have a shred of rationality left in you, you would realise that Jane is better survivor than Kenny... Kenny is alive only because writers chose to magically resurrect him.
Kenny doesnt mind killing other people, while Jane actually needs proper reason for killing. She got shocked after stabbing that russian guy in neck, even tho she knew he had to die. But he hadnt done anything wrong to her, so she had no good reason to kill him, except than saving Clem.
From the start of season 2, i knew there was something wrong with kenny and over the episodes, he only made it worse for himself. He was jus… moret full of hate and slowly turning into carver 2.0, so i knew i had to put him down. The moment Jane showed up without the baby, i knew that she was planning to provoke Kenny into fight, to prove that kenny isnt safe to be around (since clem would have to choose between Kenny and Jane) and i was ok with that.
I like the way telltale made people make decision between old friend, who had gone crazy, or new friend, who was pretty much perfect at surviving zombie apocalypse. Go for irrational choice (Kenny), or think about whats best for your own survival (Jane). I didnt actually even care about the baby, and if there was an option, i would just leave it behind, it would simply be too much trouble in world like that.
Well the fact that kennys behaviour only got worse over the 10 episodes, made me realize that there is no point to believe that kenny would change.
And even if you dislike Jane, i still dont think that she deserves to die because of that. Most people think what she did was stupid, but i can understand why she did it. I gave up on Kenny the moment he didnt care about anything else than killing jane, even if Clementine wanted him to stop.
Yes, i would, because Jane lost my friendship when she did that stupid "test".
And i know, Jane IS a better survivor than Kenny, but i ch… moreoose Kenny over her because i care more about him, hoping he would maybe change...
But anyway, i respect your opinion, just disagree.
You don't shoot a "dad" that thinks his "son" just died.
I'm not saying that Kenny is AJ's dad, but think it that way...
And no, that's not a fact, it's a possibility.
There is no "self defense" when you provoke the fight, and Jane wanted Kenny dead and Clem to do it (Please Kenny AJ is alive in that car over there dont kill me!).
But she didn't want to kill Kenny, she just wanted to show Clem who he really was. After Kenny tried to kill her she tried to kill him in self-defense.
Well Kenny had showed signs of being like Carver already, and the moment he tries to murder Jane, he became Carver 2.0 for a moment. And Jane knew that eventually Kenny would be just harmful for Clementine. If there wasnt wellington, or Clementine continues to travel with Kenny, full transformation into Carver 2.0 is bound to happen, and Jane didnt want Clementine to be near Kenny when that would happen.
ps. There is nothing heroic about this act from Kenny. It just shows that he isnt as selfish as he used to be 9 days ago.
Well Kenny had showed signs of being like Carver already, and the moment he tries to murder Jane, he became Carver 2.0 for a moment. And Jan… moree knew that eventually Kenny would be just harmful for Clementine. If there wasnt wellington, or Clementine continues to travel with Kenny, full transformation into Carver 2.0 is bound to happen, and Jane didnt want Clementine to be near Kenny when that would happen.
ps. There is nothing heroic about this act from Kenny. It just shows that he isnt as selfish as he used to be 9 days ago.
On that situation Kenny deserved to die more than Jane. We know Kennys past and all the things he has done/caused and based on all the facts, Kenny should die and its up to player to decide if they can forgive Jane for her reckless plan to win Clem over.
On that situation Kenny deserved to die more than Jane. We know Kennys past and all the things he has done/caused and based on all the facts… more, Kenny should die and its up to player to decide if they can forgive Jane for her reckless plan to win Clem over.
Well that was the point... Kenny had been on the edge for a while, and Jane didnt want Clementine to be around Kenny when it would have happened, so she had plan to show what kenny can do in moment of anger, which would have convinced Clementine to go with Jane instead of Kenny.
Lee was going to prison, for killing someone while filled with anger, just like kenny. So even our current laws make Kenny the guilty one. I could have never forgiven Kenny for murdering someone Clementine liked, so i had to pull the trigger.
Yeah and provoking a fight with a man that its on his edge and then kill him it's the greater good and "the best way to put him out of his misey"...
"And Jane knew that eventually Kenny would be just harmful for Clementine"
100% Carver
Say that to current law systems in civilized countires. Even if i provoke someone, it doesnt justify him to kill me. Taking ones life just because of being angry isnt right.
It doesn't but it's a extenuating circumstance. If you provoke a fight and you kill me, there is no self defense, so there isn't self defense in Jane's actions (as you can see later when AJ is alive).
Say that to current law systems in civilized countires. Even if i provoke someone, it doesnt justify him to kill me. Taking ones life just because of being angry isnt right.
Jane wasnt planning to kill him, she wanted to show that Kenny isnt safe to be around so Clementine would come with her instead, but obviously she didnt think through the plan that well and it went to shit. Kenny on the other hand was ready to kill her before she even opened her mouth. "i was angry at him" isnt excuse to murder someone. Making someone angry and stabbing someone at heart are two completely different things.
It doesn't but it's a extenuating circumstance. If you provoke a fight and you kill me, there is no self defense, so there isn't self defense in Jane's actions (as you can see later when AJ is alive).
"Jane wasnt planning to kill him, she wanted to show that Kenny isnt safe to be around so Clementine would come with her instead, but obviously she didnt think through the plan that well and it went to shit." that's again your opinion, if she didn't want anyone dead, she could have just said that AJ was alive, she would have proved her point, and no one has to die.
Jane wasnt planning to kill him, she wanted to show that Kenny isnt safe to be around so Clementine would come with her instead, but obvious… morely she didnt think through the plan that well and it went to shit. Kenny on the other hand was ready to kill her before she even opened her mouth. "i was angry at him" isnt excuse to murder someone. Making someone angry and stabbing someone at heart are two completely different things.
Well thats how she lets the Clem know it, and she does seem sincere. Even though she had pretty nasty plot and everything, she was right about kenny. If Clem shot Kenny, it just showed that the Clem had finally lost all hopes of Kenny not becoming Carver 2.0, if the Clem however lets Kenny murder Jane, it just shows that Clem doesnt give a shit about other people, just like Kenny, and they deserve eachother.
She needed Clem to see that Kenny is ready to kill someone without hesitation based on emotion. No matter what happened to Jane, if she doesnt win Clementines on her side, she would probably just get depressed and commit suicide, like she says if you abandon her on the road. (Cant handle the loss of her sister and then Clem.)
"Jane wasnt planning to kill him, she wanted to show that Kenny isnt safe to be around so Clementine would come with her instead, but obviou… moresly she didnt think through the plan that well and it went to shit." that's again your opinion, if she didn't want anyone dead, she could have just said that AJ was alive, she would have proved her point, and no one has to die.
Well thats how she lets the Clem know it, and she does seem sincere. Even though she had pretty nasty plot and everything, she was right abo… moreut kenny. If Clem shot Kenny, it just showed that the Clem had finally lost all hopes of Kenny not becoming Carver 2.0, if the Clem however lets Kenny murder Jane, it just shows that Clem doesnt give a shit about other people, just like Kenny, and they deserve eachother.
She needed Clem to see that Kenny is ready to kill someone without hesitation based on emotion. No matter what happened to Jane, if she doesnt win Clementines on her side, she would probably just get depressed and commit suicide, like she says if you abandon her on the road. (Cant handle the loss of her sister and then Clem.)
1: Sure it was team effort, but Jane's idea is what made the plan.
2: However Kenny killed Carver out of anger, Jane killed Troy because smart. I don't find it disgusting? He did deserve it after all, so I don't know what your talking about. Making him a screaming dinnerbell causes him to be ultimate distraction for the walkers. Plus she did it for the groups sake, unlike Kenny.
3: ... She did help Rebecca and Clementine. If you didn't realize there was no exits from the walker hoard and her cow catcher trick was the only thing that would've got them out of there. Plus she did want to help them, she told them to not stay close together so the walkers don't recognize them, then she saw that Rebecca was scared so she helped her.
4: Actually, someone needed to stay with Rebecca. Kenny couldn't stay with her. So either Bonnie or Mike had to stay with her. So only 1 person could try to find Sarah and Luke. And let me tell you they wouldn't have found Sarah and Luke without Jane. She still saved Clem and Sarah but pulling them to the top, which Luke couldn't do with his broken rib.
5: But she found the observation deck AND opened it with her nail file. I didn't see anyone who had the tools to pick a lock.
6: What Jane did was smart, she scared him off. If she wasn't there then who knows what would've happened. ( He does know how to use a gun -_- ) Anyway she did try to steal the meds FOR THE GROUP. She didn't want it for herself, FOR THE GROUP.
7: Hm still though she didn't know that Clem knew. She still does the good of teaching her how to survive anyway.
8: When she pulls Clem out of the lake, Clem is about to freeze to death. If you take the nail file you can give it to Jane and she will make the fire or if you didn't take the nail file Jane will have matches in her pocket.
9:This proves that she cares for the group and isn't just a " selfish whore " as everyone says it
10: Nothing to say here
11: Nobody had the tools to make a fire except for Jane. If you take the nail file you can give it to her to make the fire or if you refuse the nail file Jane will have matches in her pocket.
12: Okay we didn't really see anything here so i'll throw this out of the window.
13: She proves that she cares for the baby.
14: You missed my point. What if Clem accidently kills the baby? Kenny will kill her without a second thought. What Jane did was the right thing and you know it. Kenny is suffering more than anyone and he deserves to die in peace so basically you're doing him a favor.
15: Kenny takes you to a community full of strangers which could be anything. What if they are bad people who steal humans and eat their meat? By staying in Howe's you and Jane are the leaders and pretty much the only ones. As you saw Howe's is good enough to protect them from walkers.
16: Sorry, but she did more good than Kenny. Kenny always caused the group to break up because of his stupid plans and his blindness. Maybe he doesn't owe anything to the group but Jane owes absoulotely nothing to the group. Actually the group owe her because she saved their asses multiple times. She can leave anytime she wants to but she decides to stay with the group.
* Jane didn't get them out of Carvers camp, it was a team effort. Kenny suggested attracting walkers, Mike and Rebecca mentioned speakers an… mored the controls, Clem and Luke worked on the radios, hell, even Alvin (a determinent) had a role in it. Jane did do an important thing, she told them about walker guts, and all credits go to her for that, but she didn't do it alone, she said it herself, she never had the people to do it.Carvers camp isn't all that bad. It had safety, food, supplies and people, everything you need to survive. Hell, if the group wasn't so stubborn and actually gave that place a chance, maybe thing would have turned out happier and better And Carver wouldn't rape anyone, and he wouldn't torture them if they didn't do stupid things
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"Even though she had pretty nasty plot and everything, she was right about kenny." Well, we all knew Kenny would react like he did (hell i would do it too), even Clem, so no fucking way that justifies everything.
Well thats how she lets the Clem know it, and she does seem sincere. Even though she had pretty nasty plot and everything, she was right abo… moreut kenny. If Clem shot Kenny, it just showed that the Clem had finally lost all hopes of Kenny not becoming Carver 2.0, if the Clem however lets Kenny murder Jane, it just shows that Clem doesnt give a shit about other people, just like Kenny, and they deserve eachother.
She needed Clem to see that Kenny is ready to kill someone without hesitation based on emotion. No matter what happened to Jane, if she doesnt win Clementines on her side, she would probably just get depressed and commit suicide, like she says if you abandon her on the road. (Cant handle the loss of her sister and then Clem.)
I was just playing the last part of that episode and i noticed few things on the fight.
After she took her knife out, she looked at kenny, and as she saw his face expression change to more calm, so she sheathed the knife and right after that kenny charged forward.
When she was on the ground and kenny started charging at her, she had to slash Kenny with the knife to keep him away (people usually say this is the point of no return in the fight, which was pretty much Kennys fault)
When they go outside, she tells kenny to "just go", still hoping to follow her original plan that would free them from Kenny, but Kenny clearly wants to fight to the death
So Kenny is the one that causes the fight to escalate into a deathmatch.
Jane surely set the wheels in motion, but kenny was the one who made it worse, until one of them had to die.
"Even though she had pretty nasty plot and everything, she was right about kenny." Well, we all knew Kenny would react like he did (hell i would do it too), even Clem, so no fucking way that justifies everything.
She is rational and sane...and she lied trying to provoke a supposed crazy man. Sounds like Jane was also a bit stupid. Her plan= ultimate fail...death:/
I'm not going to get into the Jane VS Kenny thing again but if it had been Kenny VS Luke, the decision would have been easy.
LUKE. LUKE. LUKE! 110% :P Let Kenny be with his loved ones and choose the friendly guy that saves you on first encounter and tries his best to do what's right for everyone.
Well Janes plan wasnt well thought, because she didnt know Kenny that well, but she knew what he most likely will be like and was mostly right. Only reason she even had to provoke Kenny was because she thought it was best for Clem to finally realise that Kenny isnt good company for her.
She is rational and sane...and she lied trying to provoke a supposed crazy man. Sounds like Jane was also a bit stupid. Her plan= ultimate fail...death:/
I dont know if this had been talked about but the whole thing of kenny taken a beating for clem is bull. He better have taken it! It was his plan for a 11 year old kid walking around in hostile territory with the walky. She could have been caught away from everyone. kenny wouldnt put clem in danger my ass
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Not gonna lie, this post is REALLY bias.Your forgetting that Jane saved Kenny, which might of even lead to saving other people in the group, lead Clem + Rebecca out of the herd of walkers.
AND pretty much told the group survival tips throughout the entire show, covering in guts (Clem already knew, but the fact that she mentioned it first is what counts) Screwdriver, ext, shes a good person.
Jane knew what Kenny would become sooner or later, and she wanted to protect Clementine from that. Making Kenny believe that the baby had died was just the right thing to show what Kenny is capable of and she thought that would be enough to convince Clementine to leave Kenny and come with Jane instead. I knew that i had to put Kenny down or atleast leave him, even before the fight started.
Kenny becoming another Carver wasnt matter of if, but when, and thats the reason Jane had to trick Kenny into showing his true colors.
Oh my god they killed Kenny, YOU BASTARDS!
XD
Yeah, i agree.
I made my cousin play the episode 2 days ago, and he said...
"How could someone even consider shooting Kenny ?"
Yeah... i'm happy to see that it's not everyone who thinks it's necessary to kill Kenny.
Jane didn't get them out of Carvers camp, it was a team effort. Kenny suggested attracting walkers, Mike and Rebecca mentioned speakers and the controls, Clem and Luke worked on the radios, hell, even Alvin (a determinent) had a role in it. Jane did do an important thing, she told them about walker guts, and all credits go to her for that, but she didn't do it alone, she said it herself, she never had the people to do it.Carvers camp isn't all that bad. It had safety, food, supplies and people, everything you need to survive. Hell, if the group wasn't so stubborn and actually gave that place a chance, maybe thing would have turned out happier and better And Carver wouldn't rape anyone, and he wouldn't torture them if they didn't do stupid things
Making Troy a distraction isn't smart, its sick and disgusting ( more so than what Kenny did to Carver, okay, maybe not but whateves ). She didn't have to shoot him in the dick, she could have just shot him in the chest, or the heart, the walkers would still smell blood and go to eat him, shooting him in the dick was uncalled for, it was sick
She saved Rebecca, yeah. She didn't save Clementine because even if Rebecca died in the herd, Clem would have lived, because Clem was calm and cool about it, and also Jane hesitated too much, she was planning on leaving them, a normal person would help them without thinking about it, she had nothing to lose by helping them, and she knows a technique to move the walkers out of the way ( the cow catcher )
Mike would have gone out looking for them, and so would Bonnie. Jane just simply volunteered. She didn't know Sarah wasn't gonna make it, she just didn't believe in Sarah and in Sarahs character, personality, and strength ( which Sarah had a lot of, considering what her father did to her, because after you save her Sarah tries the best she can to survive ). Wow, really, by telling her to get out she saved Clems life ? She didn't save her life by telling her to get out, Clem knew she had to get out sooner or later, it's common sense. So all in all for now Jane saved Clem.... 0 TIMES
5.Yeah, its really hard to spot that observation deck ( sarcasm ). I don't think anything needs to be said about this, ofc she found it, it was under ( I mean above her nose ).... So she didn't save any lives, really.
I find the fact that Jane was there a very, very negative thing. First of all, Arvo said it himself, he doesn't wanna shoot anyone, and that he will leave now, and I believe in that. I mean, face it, arvo is a little bitch, he probably doesn't even know how to pull the trigger. Jane being there is a negative thing, because, first of all, she took the gun from a kid who wouldn't even use it ( she heard Arvo say those things ), and she tried to convince Clem to take the meds ( failed, in my case ). So yeah, Jane being there was a really bad thing, and she didn't save Clem in that situation, she only made things worse
What, the knee thing ? Yeah, Clem already used that, so.... Yeah, pretty much
I didn't take the nail file, so don't know what that is all about
I can't say nothing about that, I think in her heart she really meant what she said... Kenny's a mess, so is Luke, and Rebecca is pregnant
I really thing she had good intentions on this one... But, stealing the meds is just wrong, so she pretty much tries to convince you to do the wrong thing
I give her total credit for this one, when I saw her I was yelling : JANE YOU ARE MY HERO, I'M SO GLAD YOU'RE BACK !!!!
That was pretty awesome of her and I respect her for that, like, a lot
True again, and in that situation Kenny was being a total dick, so again, THANK YOU JANE for doing that, although the fire thing was kind of a thing of common sense, I mean, anyone would start a fire to save a freezing Clementine, except for Kenny it appears, he was being a real douche there.... So, another act of Heroism by Jane
We don't know that, we only heard Kenny when Clem was shot, we don't know what Jane did in that situation... They would overpower Kenny ?? Those guys fear him more than devil himself, they probably wouldn't dare to do anything, because they know how crazy Kenny is, and in that moment Kenny came out only Arvo had his weapon out, so if anyone went reaching for their weapon Kenny would shoot them in the head, and then Arvo would shoot Kenny, but Kenny isn't dead so we know that none of them went reaching for their weapons to fight... They probably ran like Scooby doo gang
13.Yeah, and that makes her a great person, how ? It's only the Normal thing to take care of the baby, so i don't know how that makes her the hero ?
Jane manipulated Clem into killing Kenny, that's a fact... She tells Clem to stay out of it, and then if you let the timer run just before it runs out, she says : Clem, help me !
Sorry bitch, but you DEAD for what you did, you told me to stay out of it, I figured this is a part of your plan
Your big PLAAAN, some FUCKING PLAAN ( in Nick voice )
Kenny will take you to a community full of people ( children ) who can protect you and look out for you, feed you and the baby, and keep you safe, mentally and phisically healthy, and Wellington is more safe from walkers than Howe's because of the cold, so, I don't see your point
No, she didn't do more than Kenny, I just proved that by finding a flaw in almost everything you said, again she didn't do shit for the group ( she was in it for Clem all the time, she even said it ), Kenny never really broke the group apart, he never caused other people to get angry at each other, Kenny doesn't own anything to the group, hell, that group ruined his life by getting him into the Carver business
THE END
So, yeah, Jane isn't such a hero after all is she
I'm not a Kenny apologist or a hardcore Kenny fan, all I'm saying is, Jane isn't as perfect as your post makes her
Thank you for reading
Edit : I don't know why the numbers are so messed up, I really don't know how this thing works
How I could consider it? Well I thought of Clem's best chance of survival.. Ultimately it boiled down to if she could really live with herself after shooting Kenny, so I looked away.. After seeing Jane hid the baby it was clearly the right choice.
What ive been thinking these few days is that how fucking sick people are...I cant understand why anyone (well, expect psycopaths and murderers) would not shoot Kenny. Even Kenny says that you made the right choice, even he knew that what he was doing was wrong.
I dont think that its necessary to be with Jane, but its definitely not right to let Kenny murder Jane. People tend to be too emotional when making decisions, because they dont think like they should in zombie apocalypse. Jane is best option to increase Clementines chances of survival and that is a fact.
Jane is rational, something which Kenny isnt. Just that makes Jane better choice than Kenny.
You don't shoot a "dad" that thinks his "son" just died.
I'm not saying that Kenny is AJ's dad, but think it that way...
And no, that's not a fact, it's a possibility.
I understand, but i choose family/friendship over survival all the way.
Now I'm imagining the Kenny ending where you go into Wellington, but imagining it with Luke instead. That would have killed me.
So... would you let your old friend (who has slowly turned into violent maniac) kill your new friend for no proper reason, because lets be honest, as soon as she didnt have the baby with him, Kenny chose to kill her, no matter the reason why baby died.
And if you would have a shred of rationality left in you, you would realise that Jane is better survivor than Kenny... Kenny is alive only because writers chose to magically resurrect him.
Kenny doesnt mind killing other people, while Jane actually needs proper reason for killing. She got shocked after stabbing that russian guy in neck, even tho she knew he had to die. But he hadnt done anything wrong to her, so she had no good reason to kill him, except than saving Clem.
Not gonna disagree with that, but sometimes family need to split up because their relations are unhealthy.
Yes, i would, because Jane lost my friendship when she did that stupid "test".
And i know, Jane IS a better survivor than Kenny, but i choose Kenny over her because i care more about him, hoping he would maybe change...
But anyway, i respect your opinion, just disagree.
100% Carver
Well the fact that kennys behaviour only got worse over the 10 episodes, made me realize that there is no point to believe that kenny would change.
And even if you dislike Jane, i still dont think that she deserves to die because of that. Most people think what she did was stupid, but i can understand why she did it. I gave up on Kenny the moment he didnt care about anything else than killing jane, even if Clementine wanted him to stop.
Kenny basically is AJ's dad hell his only parent, since Alvin died and Rebecca as well, and since he looked after it the most.
There is no "self defense" when you provoke the fight, and Jane wanted Kenny dead and Clem to do it (Please Kenny AJ is alive in that car over there dont kill me!).
Finally! I've been waiting for this reference for a while, XD
Well Kenny had showed signs of being like Carver already, and the moment he tries to murder Jane, he became Carver 2.0 for a moment. And Jane knew that eventually Kenny would be just harmful for Clementine. If there wasnt wellington, or Clementine continues to travel with Kenny, full transformation into Carver 2.0 is bound to happen, and Jane didnt want Clementine to be near Kenny when that would happen.
ps. There is nothing heroic about this act from Kenny. It just shows that he isnt as selfish as he used to be 9 days ago.
Neither deserved to die and Telltale just kinda forced us into the corner on this one.
Yeah and provoking a fight with a man that its on his edge and then kill him it's the greater good and "the best way to put him out of his misey"...
"And Jane knew that eventually Kenny would be just harmful for Clementine"
100% Carver
On that situation Kenny deserved to die more than Jane. We know Kennys past and all the things he has done/caused and based on all the facts, Kenny should die and its up to player to decide if they can forgive Jane for her reckless plan to win Clem over.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c
Well that was the point... Kenny had been on the edge for a while, and Jane didnt want Clementine to be around Kenny when it would have happened, so she had plan to show what kenny can do in moment of anger, which would have convinced Clementine to go with Jane instead of Kenny.
Lee was going to prison, for killing someone while filled with anger, just like kenny. So even our current laws make Kenny the guilty one. I could have never forgiven Kenny for murdering someone Clementine liked, so i had to pull the trigger.
Say that to current law systems in civilized countires. Even if i provoke someone, it doesnt justify him to kill me. Taking ones life just because of being angry isnt right.
It doesn't but it's a extenuating circumstance. If you provoke a fight and you kill me, there is no self defense, so there isn't self defense in Jane's actions (as you can see later when AJ is alive).
Jane wasnt planning to kill him, she wanted to show that Kenny isnt safe to be around so Clementine would come with her instead, but obviously she didnt think through the plan that well and it went to shit. Kenny on the other hand was ready to kill her before she even opened her mouth. "i was angry at him" isnt excuse to murder someone. Making someone angry and stabbing someone at heart are two completely different things.
"Jane wasnt planning to kill him, she wanted to show that Kenny isnt safe to be around so Clementine would come with her instead, but obviously she didnt think through the plan that well and it went to shit." that's again your opinion, if she didn't want anyone dead, she could have just said that AJ was alive, she would have proved her point, and no one has to die.
Well thats how she lets the Clem know it, and she does seem sincere. Even though she had pretty nasty plot and everything, she was right about kenny. If Clem shot Kenny, it just showed that the Clem had finally lost all hopes of Kenny not becoming Carver 2.0, if the Clem however lets Kenny murder Jane, it just shows that Clem doesnt give a shit about other people, just like Kenny, and they deserve eachother.
She needed Clem to see that Kenny is ready to kill someone without hesitation based on emotion. No matter what happened to Jane, if she doesnt win Clementines on her side, she would probably just get depressed and commit suicide, like she says if you abandon her on the road. (Cant handle the loss of her sister and then Clem.)
I think Clementine need Kenny more than Jane. Kenny will do anything for Clementine no matter what.
1: Sure it was team effort, but Jane's idea is what made the plan.
2: However Kenny killed Carver out of anger, Jane killed Troy because smart. I don't find it disgusting? He did deserve it after all, so I don't know what your talking about. Making him a screaming dinnerbell causes him to be ultimate distraction for the walkers. Plus she did it for the groups sake, unlike Kenny.
3: ... She did help Rebecca and Clementine. If you didn't realize there was no exits from the walker hoard and her cow catcher trick was the only thing that would've got them out of there. Plus she did want to help them, she told them to not stay close together so the walkers don't recognize them, then she saw that Rebecca was scared so she helped her.
4: Actually, someone needed to stay with Rebecca. Kenny couldn't stay with her. So either Bonnie or Mike had to stay with her. So only 1 person could try to find Sarah and Luke. And let me tell you they wouldn't have found Sarah and Luke without Jane. She still saved Clem and Sarah but pulling them to the top, which Luke couldn't do with his broken rib.
5: But she found the observation deck AND opened it with her nail file. I didn't see anyone who had the tools to pick a lock.
6: What Jane did was smart, she scared him off. If she wasn't there then who knows what would've happened. ( He does know how to use a gun -_- ) Anyway she did try to steal the meds FOR THE GROUP. She didn't want it for herself, FOR THE GROUP.
7: Hm still though she didn't know that Clem knew. She still does the good of teaching her how to survive anyway.
8: When she pulls Clem out of the lake, Clem is about to freeze to death. If you take the nail file you can give it to Jane and she will make the fire or if you didn't take the nail file Jane will have matches in her pocket.
9:This proves that she cares for the group and isn't just a " selfish whore " as everyone says it
10: Nothing to say here
11: Nobody had the tools to make a fire except for Jane. If you take the nail file you can give it to her to make the fire or if you refuse the nail file Jane will have matches in her pocket.
12: Okay we didn't really see anything here so i'll throw this out of the window.
13: She proves that she cares for the baby.
14: You missed my point. What if Clem accidently kills the baby? Kenny will kill her without a second thought. What Jane did was the right thing and you know it. Kenny is suffering more than anyone and he deserves to die in peace so basically you're doing him a favor.
15: Kenny takes you to a community full of strangers which could be anything. What if they are bad people who steal humans and eat their meat? By staying in Howe's you and Jane are the leaders and pretty much the only ones. As you saw Howe's is good enough to protect them from walkers.
16: Sorry, but she did more good than Kenny. Kenny always caused the group to break up because of his stupid plans and his blindness. Maybe he doesn't owe anything to the group but Jane owes absoulotely nothing to the group. Actually the group owe her because she saved their asses multiple times. She can leave anytime she wants to but she decides to stay with the group.
THE END
Jane is a hero
"Even though she had pretty nasty plot and everything, she was right about kenny." Well, we all knew Kenny would react like he did (hell i would do it too), even Clem, so no fucking way that justifies everything.
I was just playing the last part of that episode and i noticed few things on the fight.
So Kenny is the one that causes the fight to escalate into a deathmatch.
Jane surely set the wheels in motion, but kenny was the one who made it worse, until one of them had to die.
She is rational and sane...and she lied trying to provoke a supposed crazy man. Sounds like Jane was also a bit stupid. Her plan= ultimate fail...death:/
I'm not going to get into the Jane VS Kenny thing again but if it had been Kenny VS Luke, the decision would have been easy.
LUKE. LUKE. LUKE! 110% :P Let Kenny be with his loved ones and choose the friendly guy that saves you on first encounter and tries his best to do what's right for everyone.
Oh wait... that's right Telltale killed him. =|
Well Janes plan wasnt well thought, because she didnt know Kenny that well, but she knew what he most likely will be like and was mostly right. Only reason she even had to provoke Kenny was because she thought it was best for Clem to finally realise that Kenny isnt good company for her.
I dont know if this had been talked about but the whole thing of kenny taken a beating for clem is bull. He better have taken it! It was his plan for a 11 year old kid walking around in hostile territory with the walky. She could have been caught away from everyone. kenny wouldnt put clem in danger my ass