What kind of explanation would you expect? She was being chased through a major snow storm by blood thirsty zombies. There aren't many different ways for the situation to play out. Kenny just assumes the worst possible scenario in which he has someone to blame.
Being humble is a proven way to make a lie more believable, especially in this case.
no she sounded like she was lying because she had no explanation as to why the baby was dead, acting "humble" doesn't make lies sound more genuine, in a situation like that, it makes her sound more like she is lying
i would expect an exact story of what happened, but she didn't have one, so she thought acting "humble" as you put it would be enough, but no, if someone had just let a baby get killed, a real explanation is what people who are telling the truth would do.
as i said acting "humble" doesn't make lies sound more genuine
What kind of explanation would you expect? She was being chased through a major snow storm by blood thirsty zombies. There aren't many diffe… morerent ways for the situation to play out. Kenny just assumes the worst possible scenario in which he has someone to blame.
Being humble is a proven way to make a lie more believable, especially in this case.
lemoncakes has clearly created the greatest thread on this entire board in some time.....jane got what she deserved and asked for with her disgustingly sick actions...and lemoncakes has been showing us all the way.
you don't deserve to have lee's avatar representing you..how DARE you!
Kenny was lee's friend whom he cared about and wanted to watch over clem because he knew what we all know...Kenny always cared about clem and her best interests...he always looked out for the helpless children and would do anything to protect them.
godbless you Kenny for defending yourself against a psychotic bitch who stabbed you first and provoked the whole situation....ironic she got stabbed with her own knife in the end that she tried to use to kill Kenny.
Kenny is the definition of a real man....at wellington would rather die in the wilderness and let the kids live at wellington without him...a saint.
holy crap! thanks for bringing that up! your right, she freaking mutilated troy by shooting his dick off...yea he was a bastard...but what kind of sick bitch does that? shoot him in the head if you really have to kill him...but the dick? why/??? because she's SICK in the head.
I only have one playthrough and in it I shot Kenny. I thought the baby died in the cold or some other accident since earlier in the episode she said she would be honest/truthful/trustworthy...any ways I believed her and though Kenny lost it so I shot him and started Crying. (I'm almost a 30 yr old man btw) So after saying goodbye to Kenny we heard the baby and I lost it. I thought the baby was a walker and we'd have to kill it but then he's alive and I'm confused. Until Jane's like I shouldn't have lied. She lied and made me kill my own best friend...then said she did it for me!!! Well I left her there with my only second thought being I wish you could have shot her afterwards. I would have without blinking because by killing Kenny it killed part of me This is just a game so I'm not really fucked up by it and thank god it's just a game. Cause if this was real life I would have murdered my best friend and some lying crazy unforgivable bitch.
Lol Telltale Games "Driving people to insanity since 2012!"
i would expect an exact story of what happened, but she didn't have one, so she thought acting "humble" as you put it would be enough, but n… moreo, if someone had just let a baby get killed, a real explanation is what people who are telling the truth would do.
as i said acting "humble" doesn't make lies sound more genuine
No, he got into a fight with her over what he believed to be a murder. He killed her because he was fighting for his life. Jane wanted nothing more than to fight. She escalated the fight into a fight to the death, and Kenny had to save himself.
Of course more people would shoot Kenny. He was.... psychotic.
Because he had a very natural, aggressive reaction to Jane tricking him into thinking that she had killed his adopted baby? Alrighty. A lot of people would react the same way that Kenny did. It wasn't a special case.
How about the fact that Jane was willing to abandon a baby in a truck all alone with walkers around just so she could pull some sick twisted agenda to get rid of a broken, grieving man? And then also go as far as to try and kill him instead of admitting that the baby was actually alive. Jane was the psycho, if anyone. It doesn't even matter if she had good intentions for Clem.
yeah cause of course shooting somebody is not murder, but not shooting somebody is
anyway i would have shot jane if i could, they intentionally designed a biased choice so more people would shoot kenny
An exact sorry between the time she walked in, out of breath, and the time Kenny took off on a mission in the storm? Interesting.
As I said. Yes it does.
The Truth frightens you. I understand. It's difficult to let go of your pride when you see how powerful Kenny's Love is.
I have faith that one day His forgiveness will reach your heart, as his knife did Jane's.
Let's keep this as professional as possible. I'm going to disregard the "and you are gullible" seeing as it adds nothing to the conversation at hand.
As I was saying, she had mere seconds to tell the entire story of the horrible, tragic event that happened before Kenny storms off. It's hard for people to even speak after a terrible event, let alone retell an entire tale on a mad man's whim. He didn't know she murdered him. It's as simple as that really.
No, he got into a fight with her over what he believed to be a murder.
Thank you for supporting my claim. He had no evidence to support this aside from his crazed thoughts. She said it was an accident, and in this universe that would stand to reason much better than a person murdering a child for pleasantries.
He killed her because he was fighting for his life. Jane wanted nothing more than to fight. She escalated the fight into a fight to the death, and Kenny had to save himself.
I highly, highly suggest you go watch that fight scene again. You're missing some important pieces of information it would seem.
Because he had a very natural, aggressive reaction to Jane tricking him into thinking that she had killed his adopted baby?
Again, she never insinuated that. Kenny just chose to believe that.
How about the fact that Jane was willing to abandon a baby in a truck all alone with walkers around just so she could pull some sick twisted agenda to get rid of a broken, grieving man? And then also go as far as to try and kill him instead of admitting that the baby was actually alive. Jane was the psycho, if anyone. It doesn't even matter if she had good intentions for Clem.
What Jane did was an idiotic way to prove the point she was trying to make. Though leaving him in the truck wouldn't have been a problem had Kenny not tried to (or in cases succeeded in) murder her. She didn't go as far to kill him, he went as far as to kill her (again I suggest you go watch that fight scene). Jane had a very bad idea, Kenny is psycho.
No, he got into a fight with her over what he believed to be a murder. He killed her because he was fighting for his life. Jane wanted nothi… moreng more than to fight. She escalated the fight into a fight to the death, and Kenny had to save himself.
Of course more people would shoot Kenny. He was.... psychotic.
Because he had a very natural, aggressive reaction to Jane tricking him into thinking that she had killed his adopted baby? Alrighty. A lot of people would react the same way that Kenny did. It wasn't a special case.
How about the fact that Jane was willing to abandon a baby in a truck all alone with walkers around just so she could pull some sick twisted agenda to get rid of a broken, grieving man? And then also go as far as to try and kill him instead of admitting that the baby was actually alive. Jane was the psycho, if anyone. It doesn't even matter if she had good intentions for Clem.
But since her story wasn't horrible or tragic since she even says AJ was never in any danger. I just had to show you what he's capable of. It don't take long to say He's safe and isn't dead. Kenny was crazy but Jane was stupid for making him direct his anger at her.
Let's keep this as professional as possible. I'm going to disregard the "and you are gullible" seeing as it adds nothing to the conversation… more at hand.
As I was saying, she had mere seconds to tell the entire story of the horrible, tragic event that happened before Kenny storms off. It's hard for people to even speak after a terrible event, let alone retell an entire tale on a mad man's whim. He didn't know she murdered him. It's as simple as that really.
But since her story wasn't horrible or tragic since she even says AJ was never in any danger. I just had to show you what he's capable of.
Inconsequential. Had it happened then >Enter Aforementioned Information Here<. (We are talking about a hypothetical situation in which the lie were true.)
It don't take long to say He's safe and isn't dead. Kenny was crazy but Jane was stupid for making him direct his anger at her.
I never said the idea was a good idea, nor did I say Jane was smart for doing it.
But since her story wasn't horrible or tragic since she even says AJ was never in any danger. I just had to show you what he's capable of. I… moret don't take long to say He's safe and isn't dead. Kenny was crazy but Jane was stupid for making him direct his anger at her.
I'm just pointing out both had their flaws and Jane's plan gets someone killed. Tho oddly she doesn't get to kill anyone no matter what. she thought she had mad skillz but then cyclops got the best of her. Crazy people are strong:/.
But since her story wasn't horrible or tragic since she even says AJ was never in any danger. I just had to show you what he's capable of.
… more
Inconsequential. Had it happened then >Enter Aforementioned Information Here<. (We are talking about a hypothetical situation in which the lie were true.)
It don't take long to say He's safe and isn't dead. Kenny was crazy but Jane was stupid for making him direct his anger at her.
I never said the idea was a good idea, nor did I say Jane was smart for doing it.
Thank you for supporting my claim. He had no evidence to support this aside from his crazed thoughts. She said it was an accident, and in this universe that would stand to reason much better than a person murdering a child for pleasantries.
It doesn't support your claim at all. The entire point is that Kenny thought that Jane had murdered his adopted baby, based on what he knew about her. Any parental figure in that situation is going to flip out. Replace Kenny with a healthy Rebecca in that situation, and I would say she likely flips out.. especially since she did not trust Jane either. Saying "it was an accident" doesn't just magically make everything better. Not in a situation like that. How do you expect Kenny to rationalize in a moment like that if Jane isn't doing anything to rationalize herself. Its just so unrealistic. And who said anything about Jane murdering the child for pleasantries? You really think that is the more likely conclusion to come to in comparison to her simply abandoning it/killing it for survival reasons?
I highly, highly suggest you go watch that fight scene again. You're missing some important pieces of information it would seem.
Or you could just explain to me what I am supposedly missing. I have watched the scene a ton.
Kenny obviously started the back and forth tussle by taking her to wall and pinning her there, but there was no indication at all that he was trying to kill her. He just held her to the wall like he did to Mike back in Episode Three. After Jane breaks free, she goes on the offensive for the rest of the fight until Kenny gets the knife and tries to finish her.
After she broke free from the wall she slammed Kenny in his bad eye, causing him to drop to the ground. She jumped on top of him and tried to land a barrage of punches to his face, but he blocked all of them. After he rolled away, Jane immediately went for her knife as he got up off the ground. She then lashed out and almost split his stomach open. If Kenny had been closer, he could have very well died from the wound. After getting slashed, Kenny immediately disengaged and ran away from Jane outside the building. Jane then jumped up and sprinted after him with knife in hand while he was slowly trying to back away from her. This would have been the perfect time to admit the baby was still alive/ try to end the fight. But no, she was more interested in killing him and she made that clear. No matter what option you choose when she is trying to close on him outside, she tries to stab and slash him while he is personally not trying to do anything to her at all. He caught her arm on one of her kill attempts and threw her over the fence along with himself. Jane then pounced on him and tried to gouge his bad eye out. Kenny was in excruciating pain. No matter what you say to Jane, she refuses to stop. Again, she could take this moment to explain that the baby is still alive, but nope. Kenny eventually broke free, got the knife, and then ended her depending on whether you let him do it or not.
Again, she never insinuated that. Kenny just chose to believe that.
I never said that she straight up insinuated it. Obviously that would be counter productive to her overall plan of getting Clem on he side. But yes, she did try and trick him. She wanted him to react the way that he did. It was just a stupid thing to do, as anyone in Kenny's position could have completely flipped out or rushed to conclusions. This isn't something special to Kenny.
I'm sure the violent argument the two of them had literally minutes before this event didn't help matters. Plus once again, Jane never tried rationalizing what happened.. because that would have been counter productive to the agenda.
What Jane did was an idiotic way to prove the point she was trying to make. Though leaving him in the truck wouldn't have been a problem had Kenny not tried to (or in cases succeeded in) murder her.
I agree that the baby would have been fine in the truck had Kenny not gotten aggressive/violent, but its kind of a pointless thing to bring up in her defense considering she was expecting Kenny to act that way. It was a problem in the fact that she was intentionally using it to push a grieving man to the breaking point. It was a problem in the fact that she was intentionally using it to try and split up the group.
She didn't go as far to kill him, he went as far as to kill her (again I suggest you go watch that fight scene).
As explained above, this sentiment is not very accurate.
Jane had a very bad idea, Kenny is psycho.
How can you call Kenny a psycho for a natural parental response and yet not think Jane was psychotic for being a manipulative back stabber who was intentionally trying to break a grieving man in order to push an agenda.
No, he got into a fight with her over what he believed to be a murder.
Thank you for supporting my claim. He had no evidence to supp… moreort this aside from his crazed thoughts. She said it was an accident, and in this universe that would stand to reason much better than a person murdering a child for pleasantries.
He killed her because he was fighting for his life. Jane wanted nothing more than to fight. She escalated the fight into a fight to the death, and Kenny had to save himself.
I highly, highly suggest you go watch that fight scene again. You're missing some important pieces of information it would seem.
Because he had a very natural, aggressive reaction to Jane tricking him into thinking that she had killed his adopted baby?
Again, she never insinuated that. Kenny just chose to believe that.
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A person who chose Kenny and who is actually reasonable ? It's getting pretty rare these days.
I'm with you dude, that was the toughest dec… moreision I ever made in a game. I ended up shooting Kenny, but it was mostly because I couldn't just stand by while he was murdering her. Shame Clem couldn't shoot him non lethally...
In the end Jane said the baby's disappearance was an accident. Kenny had nothing to go off of except that sentence and his own deranged thoughts. He followed the latter. Why? Because he was crazy.
Thank you for supporting my claim. He had no evidence to support this aside from his crazed thoughts. She said it was an accident, and in th… moreis universe that would stand to reason much better than a person murdering a child for pleasantries.
It doesn't support your claim at all. The entire point is that Kenny thought that Jane had murdered his adopted baby, based on what he knew about her. Any parental figure in that situation is going to flip out. Replace Kenny with a healthy Rebecca in that situation, and I would say she likely flips out.. especially since she did not trust Jane either. Saying "it was an accident" doesn't just magically make everything better. Not in a situation like that. How do you expect Kenny to rationalize in a moment like that if Jane isn't doing anything to rationalize herself. Its just so unrealistic. And who said anything about Jane murdering the child for pleasantries? You really think that is the more like… [view original content]
Alright, think that all you want. I really don't care considering you're refusing to read a clear and concise explanation that goes against what you say. Its silly to make a conclusion like you're doing when you won't even take time to consider the other side of the argument/ look at how you could be incorrect. Not sure why you would bother implying that I'm wrong without reading what I said.
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In the end Jane said the baby's disappearance was an accident. Kenny had nothing to go off of except that sentence and his own deranged thoughts. He followed the latter. Why? Because he was crazy.
There is just no information that can go against the given information. You spell the word laugh L A U G H. There is nothing you can do to change this. The information given is the line "It was an accident." Nothing more, nothing less. Kenny's mind is the only factor that does not coincide with the given information. A rational person would converse on the subject as a manner to prescribe judgment. Kenny, a not so rational person, runs off into the snow and comes back with the idea in his head that she murdered the child. An unjustifiable accusation. But I'll revisit your post just for kicks anyways.
It doesn't support your claim at all.
Yes it does.
The entire point is that Kenny thought that Jane had murdered his adopted baby, based on what he knew about her.
You misspelled "thought" as "knew". If you didn't then please give evidence supporting your claim she gives of an "infant murderer" vibe.
Any parental figure in that situation is going to flip out.
Justifiably horrified. Depressed beyond reckoning. Murder? No. Especially when, as stated a few times, it was pronounced as an accident, not murder.
Replace Kenny with a healthy Rebecca in that situation, and I would say she likely flips out.. especially since she did not trust Jane either.
Flips out? Damn straight. I'd like to believe Rebecca would have the wherewithal to understand the terminology of an accident. For all she (he) would have known she did her very best to protect the child.
Saying "it was an accident" doesn't just magically make everything better. Not in a situation like that.
Of course not. A dead child is a dead child regardless of it being murder or accidental death. The difference is in one situation the person with the child set out to end its life. Sadness and grief is rampant in either case, only one has a true villain (though technically you could name the villain as Vs environment etc etc (zombies) but lets not get into the depths of proper English).
How do you expect Kenny to rationalize in a moment like that if Jane isn't doing anything to rationalize herself. Its just so unrealistic.
What? Like saying it's an accident and waiting for confirmation from Kenny that he will listen? Instead receiving a swing to the noggin?
You really think that is the more likely conclusion to come to in comparison to her simply abandoning it/killing it for survival reasons?
Yes. Shit happens every day in this world. Accidents happen every day in this world. How many people had they lost previously in that single day due to freak accidents / accidents cause by the living dead? That previous week? Since the start of S2?
Or you could just explain to me what I am supposedly missing. I have watched the scene a ton. Kenny obviously started the back and forth tussle by taking her to wall and pinning her there, but there was no indication at all that he was trying to kill her. He just held her to the wall like he did to Mike back in Episode Three. After Jane breaks free, she goes on the offensive for the rest of the fight until Kenny gets the knife and tries to finish her.
You just labeled it! He started the fight. He came in swinging, and when she pulls the knife he backs down. When she sheathes it and tries to calm the situation by telling him to stay away he goes after her. And even after showing her lack of intent to fight (again, by sheathing the weapon) he insists on pursuing the engagement. From then on it's the two of them fighting, but even when he is on top and can easily end the fight without ending her life he chooses to end her life anyways (unless there is a certain intervention of the small metal bullet variety). Kenny escalated, Jane tried to de-escalate, and Kenny escalated again. After that moment it was game on for both of them, a fight to the death as you say. But had Kenny proven himself a sane man and halted his rage induced violent outbreak when clearly given the chance then it would have stopped there.
I never said that she straight up insinuated it. Obviously that would be counter productive to her overall plan of getting Clem on he side. But yes, she did try and trick him. She wanted him to react the way that he did. It was just a stupid thing to do, as anyone in Kenny's position could have completely flipped out or rushed to conclusions. This isn't something special to Kenny.
She tried to trick him into believing the baby had died. He is the one who believed for no reason that she had murdered the infant. If you, as you said, believe that she did not insinuate that she had killed the baby and that Kenny had just come to that outlandish conclusion then you must be admitting he was crazed. She tried to trick him, yes, but in his delusional mind "accidental death" meant "murdered." Was it a stupid plan? Sure was. But that doesn't negate his fractured state of mind.
I'm sure the violent argument the two of them had literally minutes before this event didn't help matters. Plus once again, Jane never tried rationalizing what happened.. because that would have been counter productive to the agenda.
It probably didn't help matters. Plus, once again, when would she have rationalized what happened? In the 5-10 seconds before Kenny stormed off into the snow and returned with a fight on his mind?
I agree that the baby would have been fine in the truck had Kenny not gotten aggressive/violent, but its kind of a pointless thing to bring up in her defense considering she was expecting Kenny to act that way. It was a problem in the fact that she was intentionally using it to push a grieving man to the breaking point. It was a problem in the fact that she was intentionally using it to try and split up the group.
I agree. It was just downright stupid. So was Kenny.
As explained above, this sentiment is not very accurate.
As explained above, this sentiment is very accurate.
How can you call Kenny a psycho for a natural parental response and yet not think Jane was psychotic for being a manipulative back stabber who was intentionally trying to break a grieving man in order to push an agenda.
Because Kenny was in a delusional state of mind. Finding murder where there is accident (this is not a natural parental response). Jane just had a really, really bad idea of how to prove an important point to someone she felt needed to know.
Alright, think that all you want. I really don't care considering you're refusing to read a clear and concise explanation that goes against … morewhat you say. Its silly to make a conclusion like you're doing when you won't even take time to consider the other side of the argument/ look at how you could be incorrect. Not sure why you would bother implying that I'm wrong without reading what I said.
Bonnie = Knife (She kind of cared for the 2 seconds she stopped, but she still abandoned me)
Mike = Saltlick (Quick, but still splatters … morehis head for betraying and abandoning Clem)
Arvo = Crowbar (Nice long facial reconstruction for this piece of s***)
There is just no information that can go against the given information. You spell the word laugh L A U G H. There is nothing you can do to change this. The information given is the line "It was an accident." Nothing more, nothing less. Kenny's mind is the only factor that does not coincide with the given information. A rational person would converse on the subject as a manner to prescribe judgment. Kenny, a not so rational person, runs off into the snow and comes back with the idea in his head that she murdered the child. An unjustifiable accusation. But I'll revisit your post just for kicks anyways.
I have never pretended that Kenny was being rational in his response to the supposed "accident". You're being very black-white about this. Of course Kenny should not have jumped to the conclusion that Jane murdered the baby. Did he have his reasons though? Yeah. Almost any parent/guardian is going to become enraged in that moment. I wish Kenny would not have became violent, but he did, and Jane did nothing to rationalize on her end. She did nothing to help Kenny understand what happened. Indicting Kenny for not being very rational here is just unfair when we're talking about an event that could very well make anyone flip out. Emotion can over run the reflex to be calm and logical. This isn't just special to Kenny. You're basically blaming him for losing his cool in one of the most emotionally painful situations imaginable by anyone, while he got zero meaningful help or reassurance from anyone. It's just not realistic to expect a better reaction under the circumstances that Kenny was in. We can fault him for being violent to a degree (pinning Jane against the wall), but it doesn't justify killing the man.
You misspelled "thought" as "knew". If you didn't then please give evidence supporting your claim she gives of an "infant murderer" vibe.
Not sure if you were trying to be clever there or what, but no, it isn't anything so specific as that. She simply has shown to have a lack of care for other individuals survival. She has abandoned defenseless individuals before because of selfish reasons. She is more worried about her own survival. Even before Rebecca gives birth Jane states that having a baby around could be dangerous. So if it came down to the fact that Jane thought the baby put other people in jeopardy, and she had a perfect chance to abandon it, why is it crazy to assume that she would have abandoned it? Wouldn't be the first time she advocated abandoning a defenseless individual.
I can't remember if she for sure says anything really bad around Kenny, but for the gaming script I don't think its really taken into account. In the truck conversation he states what he believes about her. He states that he would have left her at Carver's camp if he had known what she truly was. If you let him kill Jane he states the same opinion again, saying that Jane had made it clear that she didn't want the baby around (which is why he was so genuinely surprised to actually find it alive).
Justifiably horrified. Depressed beyond reckoning. Murder? No. Especially when, as stated a few times, it was pronounced as an accident, not murder.
Touched on this in my above arguments (in this current response), so I'll just briefly state again that a parental figure is not going to buy the excuse "It was an accident" when they are in the mental state that they are in. Kenny was convinced that Jane murdered AJ, and he received no rationalization. Saying "it was an accident" and leaving it at that means nothing, especially since Jane didn't even remotely try to back it up when Kenny called B.S. on it. Instead she chose to threaten him... because you know.. that sort of thing always helps. Also, saying it was "an accident" in that situation sounds so ridiculously contrived. No one who just got someone's kid killed on accident is going to just say "aw shit, it was an accident bro". They would actually take the time to explain what happened. They would be apologetic and sincere. This was actually kind of the point though. Jane wanted to be shady. If she tried to rationalize or look sincere at all, that would have gone completely against her agenda.
Also, there was no indication that Kenny was trying to outright murder Jane.
Flips out? Damn straight. I'd like to believe Rebecca would have the wherewithal to understand the terminology of an accident. For all she (he) would have known she did her very best to protect the child.
I think that would be true if we were not talking about Jane as the one who may or may not have murdered her child.
I really feel like she would come to the same conclusion that Kenny did. Especially if Jane proceeded to not rationalize, similar to her situation with Kenny.
What? Like saying it's an accident and waiting for confirmation from Kenny that he will listen? Instead receiving a swing to the noggin?
What do you mean confirmation that Kenny will listen? No, she should explain herself regardless. Instead she just said, "it was an accident", and then immediately proceeded to threaten Kenny (x2) when he called B.S.
Yes. Shit happens every day in this world. Accidents happen every day in this world. How many people had they lost previously in that single day due to freak accidents / accidents cause by the living dead? That previous week? Since the start of S2?
I don't think you understood what I was saying. You're telling me that the more likely murder situation with Jane involved just killin' for kicks opposed to actually killing for survival reasons? That was the only thing I was questioning from your original response. I really don't know what you're trying to say here.
You just labeled it! He started the fight. He came in swinging, and when she pulls the knife he backs down. When she sheathes it and tries to calm the situation by telling him to stay away he goes after her.
What's your point? Its not like I have ever denied the fact that Kenny was being violent.
Also, as an aside, Jane was not trying to calm the situation down by putting away her knife. She saw that Kenny wasn't going to try anything when she had her knife out, so she put it away so he would try something. I know that may seem like a shot in the dark, but when you think about it, its really the only thing that makes sense. If she truly wanted to calm things down from there, she would have essentially proven nothing. If Kenny listened to her reasoning of "it was an accident" and didn't come near her when she told him not to, her whole plan would have fallen completely on her head. She would have failed and basically proven nothing. She then would have had to admit the sick plan that she was trying to pull.. and yeah... not good for Jane at all.
From then on it's the two of them fighting, but even when he is on top and can easily end the fight without ending her life he chooses to end her life anyways
Why are you skipping over like 80% of the actual fight? Yes, Kenny attacked her when she sheathed her weapon. All he did was pin her to the wall. He was not trying to kill her. He was just being physical. I'll copy and paste what I said in my previous post..
"After she broke free from the wall she slammed Kenny in his bad eye, causing him to drop to the ground. She jumped on top of him and tried to land a barrage of punches to his face, but he blocked all of them. After he rolled away, Jane immediately went for her knife as he got up off the ground. She then lashed out and almost split his stomach open. If Kenny had been closer, he could have very well died from the wound. After getting slashed, Kenny immediately disengaged and ran away from Jane outside the building. Jane then jumped up and sprinted after him with knife in hand while he was slowly trying to back away from her. This would have been the perfect time to admit the baby was still alive/ try to end the fight. But no, she was more interested in killing him and she made that clear. No matter what option you choose when she is trying to close on him outside, she tries to stab and slash him while he is personally not trying to do anything to her at all. He caught her arm on one of her kill attempts and threw her over the fence along with himself. Jane then pounced on him and tried to gouge his bad eye out. Kenny was in excruciating pain. No matter what you say to Jane, she refuses to stop. Again, she could take this moment to explain that the baby is still alive, but nope. Kenny eventually broke free, got the knife, and then ended her depending on whether you let him do it or not."
Why are you choosing to ignore all of this? Jane was the one who escalated the fight into a fight to the death. There is proof of it. There is no proof of Kenny trying to kill her up until the very end when he is fighting for his life. Again, when Kenny disengaged from the fight and went outside, Jane could have used that opportunity to end the fight. Instead, she tried to kill him, and even admitted her intentions of trying to do that:
Even when Kenny is bringing the knife down on her, why do you think he should feel confident in letting her go? He had already backed away from her once and she proceeded by trying to run him down and kill him with her knife. In the heat of the moment he probably wouldn't have been thinking about this anyway, he was just trying to survive.
If you, as you said, believe that she did not insinuate that she had killed the baby and that Kenny had just come to that outlandish conclusion then you must be admitting he was crazed.
There isn't really any logical reasoning behind coming to that conclusion at all, at least not in the sense that you mean it. You're talking about him being crazy even prior to the fight, right? I see it as nothing more than a natural reaction to the situation.. as I explained in detail above.
It probably didn't help matters. Plus, once again, when would she have rationalized what happened? In the 5-10 seconds before Kenny stormed off into the snow and returned with a fight on his mind?
No one was preventing her from speaking at any point. And again, a perfectly ideal time to do so would have been when Kenny disengaged from the fight after getting his stomach slashed. Kenny wasn't trying to do anything to her at that point. Instead she used the time to tell Kenny she was going to kill him, slowly advanced on him with the knife, and then tried to kill him. Not very good problem solving skills Jane..
I agree. It was just downright stupid. So was Kenny.
Well at least we agree on something.. though I still say Kenny has an excuse (but yes, what he did was stupid)
Because Kenny was in a delusional state of mind. Finding murder where there is accident (this is not a natural parental response). Jane just had a really, really bad idea of how to prove an important point to someone she felt needed to know.
So you label Jane's actions simply as a bad idea but feel like its fair to call Kenny a psycho for his bad reaction to a bad idea? Jane intentionally meant to do Kenny harm, in both a mental and physical sense. She was intentionally trying to break him. She wanted to fight him, even if she didn't mean to go to the point of trying to kill him. She did all of this to prove a point. It was more than just a bad plan.
I'm not necessarily even saying that Jane was psychotic, it just seems like you are not being fair/equal in your examination.
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Holy wow. Okay, that actually was a legitimately long post. Way longer than I thought it would be. No rush if you want to give me a reply...
There is just no information that can go against the given information. You spell the word laugh L A U G H. There is nothing you can do to c… morehange this. The information given is the line "It was an accident." Nothing more, nothing less. Kenny's mind is the only factor that does not coincide with the given information. A rational person would converse on the subject as a manner to prescribe judgment. Kenny, a not so rational person, runs off into the snow and comes back with the idea in his head that she murdered the child. An unjustifiable accusation. But I'll revisit your post just for kicks anyways.
It doesn't support your claim at all.
Yes it does.
The entire point is that Kenny thought that Jane had murdered his adopted baby, based on what he knew about her.
You misspelled "thought" as "knew". If you didn't then please give evidence supporting your claim she gives of an "infant murderer" vibe.
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I'm going to reply to this so you know I'm not ignoring you... but it may be a long while before I get the free time to read this and reply to it (especially with being at AIT and having the 4 day weekend about over with). If I forget about it, sorry. Until then I bid you adieu.
There is just no information that can go against the given information. You spell the word laugh L A U G H. There is nothing you can do to c… morehange this. The information given is the line "It was an accident." Nothing more, nothing less. Kenny's mind is the only factor that does not coincide with the given information. A rational person would converse on the subject as a manner to prescribe judgment. Kenny, a not so rational person, runs off into the snow and comes back with the idea in his head that she murdered the child. An unjustifiable accusation. But I'll revisit your post just for kicks anyways.
I have never pretended that Kenny was being rational in his response to the supposed "accident". You're being very black-white about this. Of course Kenny should not have jumped to the conclusion that Jane murdered the baby. Did he have his reasons though? Yeah. Almost any parent/guardian is going to become enraged in that moment. I wish … [view original content]
Jane is nothing like Carver and she's the one that CHOOSES to let the others in, no strings attached, if you don't make a choice.
Kenny b… moreecomes Carver the moment he lashes out at Jane as Carver is crazy over a baby as well. Look at what he did for an unborn Baby? Notice how Kenny didn't agree with Carver yet HE DOES THE SAME EXACT THING when he has ZERO proof that Jane killed the baby.
The part when he told Clem & AJ to leave him? that's obviously because he just realized he's a very dangerous man,only in my playthrough it took a gunshot to make him realized about that.
That really isn't obvious at all. You're kind of just speculating at that. During the Wellington endings, he never says hes too dangerous to be around Clem. He only says she will be safer there.
The part when he told Clem & AJ to leave him? that's obviously because he just realized he's a very dangerous man,only in my playthrough it took a gunshot to make him realized about that.
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What kind of explanation would you expect? She was being chased through a major snow storm by blood thirsty zombies. There aren't many different ways for the situation to play out. Kenny just assumes the worst possible scenario in which he has someone to blame.
Being humble is a proven way to make a lie more believable, especially in this case.
i would expect an exact story of what happened, but she didn't have one, so she thought acting "humble" as you put it would be enough, but no, if someone had just let a baby get killed, a real explanation is what people who are telling the truth would do.
as i said acting "humble" doesn't make lies sound more genuine
lemoncakes has clearly created the greatest thread on this entire board in some time.....jane got what she deserved and asked for with her disgustingly sick actions...and lemoncakes has been showing us all the way.
you don't deserve to have lee's avatar representing you..how DARE you!
Kenny was lee's friend whom he cared about and wanted to watch over clem because he knew what we all know...Kenny always cared about clem and her best interests...he always looked out for the helpless children and would do anything to protect them.
godbless you Kenny for defending yourself against a psychotic bitch who stabbed you first and provoked the whole situation....ironic she got stabbed with her own knife in the end that she tried to use to kill Kenny.
Kenny is the definition of a real man....at wellington would rather die in the wilderness and let the kids live at wellington without him...a saint.
holy crap! thanks for bringing that up! your right, she freaking mutilated troy by shooting his dick off...yea he was a bastard...but what kind of sick bitch does that? shoot him in the head if you really have to kill him...but the dick? why/??? because she's SICK in the head.
I only have one playthrough and in it I shot Kenny. I thought the baby died in the cold or some other accident since earlier in the episode she said she would be honest/truthful/trustworthy...any ways I believed her and though Kenny lost it so I shot him and started Crying. (I'm almost a 30 yr old man btw) So after saying goodbye to Kenny we heard the baby and I lost it. I thought the baby was a walker and we'd have to kill it but then he's alive and I'm confused. Until Jane's like I shouldn't have lied. She lied and made me kill my own best friend...then said she did it for me!!! Well I left her there with my only second thought being I wish you could have shot her afterwards. I would have without blinking because by killing Kenny it killed part of me
This is just a game so I'm not really fucked up by it and thank god it's just a game. Cause if this was real life I would have murdered my best friend and some lying crazy unforgivable bitch.
Lol Telltale Games "Driving people to insanity since 2012!"
An exact sorry between the time she walked in, out of breath, and the time Kenny took off on a mission in the storm? Interesting.
As I said. Yes it does.
No, he got into a fight with her over what he believed to be a murder. He killed her because he was fighting for his life. Jane wanted nothing more than to fight. She escalated the fight into a fight to the death, and Kenny had to save himself.
Because he had a very natural, aggressive reaction to Jane tricking him into thinking that she had killed his adopted baby? Alrighty. A lot of people would react the same way that Kenny did. It wasn't a special case.
How about the fact that Jane was willing to abandon a baby in a truck all alone with walkers around just so she could pull some sick twisted agenda to get rid of a broken, grieving man? And then also go as far as to try and kill him instead of admitting that the baby was actually alive. Jane was the psycho, if anyone. It doesn't even matter if she had good intentions for Clem.
Jane did say stay out of it no matter what.
But he isn't a failure at all if you choose not to kill him. Have you even seen the Wellington endings?
yes an exact story of the really important thing that happened like 2 seconds ago
and you are gullible
Am I the only one that finds it weird how the only way to save Kenny was to let the timer run out?
Well...she did say NOT to interfere so...
Keep it up @Lemoncakes !
Let's keep this as professional as possible. I'm going to disregard the "and you are gullible" seeing as it adds nothing to the conversation at hand.
As I was saying, she had mere seconds to tell the entire story of the horrible, tragic event that happened before Kenny storms off. It's hard for people to even speak after a terrible event, let alone retell an entire tale on a mad man's whim. He didn't know she murdered him. It's as simple as that really.
Thank you for supporting my claim. He had no evidence to support this aside from his crazed thoughts. She said it was an accident, and in this universe that would stand to reason much better than a person murdering a child for pleasantries.
I highly, highly suggest you go watch that fight scene again. You're missing some important pieces of information it would seem.
Again, she never insinuated that. Kenny just chose to believe that.
What Jane did was an idiotic way to prove the point she was trying to make. Though leaving him in the truck wouldn't have been a problem had Kenny not tried to (or in cases succeeded in) murder her. She didn't go as far to kill him, he went as far as to kill her (again I suggest you go watch that fight scene). Jane had a very bad idea, Kenny is psycho.
neither do you.
But since her story wasn't horrible or tragic since she even says AJ was never in any danger. I just had to show you what he's capable of. It don't take long to say He's safe and isn't dead. Kenny was crazy but Jane was stupid for making him direct his anger at her.
Inconsequential. Had it happened then >Enter Aforementioned Information Here<. (We are talking about a hypothetical situation in which the lie were true.)
I never said the idea was a good idea, nor did I say Jane was smart for doing it.
I'm just pointing out both had their flaws and Jane's plan gets someone killed. Tho oddly she doesn't get to kill anyone no matter what. she thought she had mad skillz but then cyclops got the best of her. Crazy people are strong:/.
It doesn't support your claim at all. The entire point is that Kenny thought that Jane had murdered his adopted baby, based on what he knew about her. Any parental figure in that situation is going to flip out. Replace Kenny with a healthy Rebecca in that situation, and I would say she likely flips out.. especially since she did not trust Jane either. Saying "it was an accident" doesn't just magically make everything better. Not in a situation like that. How do you expect Kenny to rationalize in a moment like that if Jane isn't doing anything to rationalize herself. Its just so unrealistic. And who said anything about Jane murdering the child for pleasantries? You really think that is the more likely conclusion to come to in comparison to her simply abandoning it/killing it for survival reasons?
Or you could just explain to me what I am supposedly missing. I have watched the scene a ton.
Kenny obviously started the back and forth tussle by taking her to wall and pinning her there, but there was no indication at all that he was trying to kill her. He just held her to the wall like he did to Mike back in Episode Three. After Jane breaks free, she goes on the offensive for the rest of the fight until Kenny gets the knife and tries to finish her.
After she broke free from the wall she slammed Kenny in his bad eye, causing him to drop to the ground. She jumped on top of him and tried to land a barrage of punches to his face, but he blocked all of them. After he rolled away, Jane immediately went for her knife as he got up off the ground. She then lashed out and almost split his stomach open. If Kenny had been closer, he could have very well died from the wound. After getting slashed, Kenny immediately disengaged and ran away from Jane outside the building. Jane then jumped up and sprinted after him with knife in hand while he was slowly trying to back away from her. This would have been the perfect time to admit the baby was still alive/ try to end the fight. But no, she was more interested in killing him and she made that clear. No matter what option you choose when she is trying to close on him outside, she tries to stab and slash him while he is personally not trying to do anything to her at all. He caught her arm on one of her kill attempts and threw her over the fence along with himself. Jane then pounced on him and tried to gouge his bad eye out. Kenny was in excruciating pain. No matter what you say to Jane, she refuses to stop. Again, she could take this moment to explain that the baby is still alive, but nope. Kenny eventually broke free, got the knife, and then ended her depending on whether you let him do it or not.
I never said that she straight up insinuated it. Obviously that would be counter productive to her overall plan of getting Clem on he side. But yes, she did try and trick him. She wanted him to react the way that he did. It was just a stupid thing to do, as anyone in Kenny's position could have completely flipped out or rushed to conclusions. This isn't something special to Kenny.
I'm sure the violent argument the two of them had literally minutes before this event didn't help matters. Plus once again, Jane never tried rationalizing what happened.. because that would have been counter productive to the agenda.
I agree that the baby would have been fine in the truck had Kenny not gotten aggressive/violent, but its kind of a pointless thing to bring up in her defense considering she was expecting Kenny to act that way. It was a problem in the fact that she was intentionally using it to push a grieving man to the breaking point. It was a problem in the fact that she was intentionally using it to try and split up the group.
As explained above, this sentiment is not very accurate.
How can you call Kenny a psycho for a natural parental response and yet not think Jane was psychotic for being a manipulative back stabber who was intentionally trying to break a grieving man in order to push an agenda.
Funny, that's how i felt about Jane fans.
TL;DR
In the end Jane said the baby's disappearance was an accident. Kenny had nothing to go off of except that sentence and his own deranged thoughts. He followed the latter. Why? Because he was crazy.
So let Kenny die? No thanks.
It's not like us "Jane haters" hate her for no reason -_-
Alright, think that all you want. I really don't care considering you're refusing to read a clear and concise explanation that goes against what you say. Its silly to make a conclusion like you're doing when you won't even take time to consider the other side of the argument/ look at how you could be incorrect. Not sure why you would bother implying that I'm wrong without reading what I said.
Technically he didn't really need saving from Jane, he just needed Clem to not shoot him.
There is just no information that can go against the given information. You spell the word laugh L A U G H. There is nothing you can do to change this. The information given is the line "It was an accident." Nothing more, nothing less. Kenny's mind is the only factor that does not coincide with the given information. A rational person would converse on the subject as a manner to prescribe judgment. Kenny, a not so rational person, runs off into the snow and comes back with the idea in his head that she murdered the child. An unjustifiable accusation. But I'll revisit your post just for kicks anyways.
Yes it does.
You misspelled "thought" as "knew". If you didn't then please give evidence supporting your claim she gives of an "infant murderer" vibe.
Justifiably horrified. Depressed beyond reckoning. Murder? No. Especially when, as stated a few times, it was pronounced as an accident, not murder.
Flips out? Damn straight. I'd like to believe Rebecca would have the wherewithal to understand the terminology of an accident. For all she (he) would have known she did her very best to protect the child.
Of course not. A dead child is a dead child regardless of it being murder or accidental death. The difference is in one situation the person with the child set out to end its life. Sadness and grief is rampant in either case, only one has a true villain (though technically you could name the villain as Vs environment etc etc (zombies) but lets not get into the depths of proper English).
What? Like saying it's an accident and waiting for confirmation from Kenny that he will listen? Instead receiving a swing to the noggin?
Yes. Shit happens every day in this world. Accidents happen every day in this world. How many people had they lost previously in that single day due to freak accidents / accidents cause by the living dead? That previous week? Since the start of S2?
You just labeled it! He started the fight. He came in swinging, and when she pulls the knife he backs down. When she sheathes it and tries to calm the situation by telling him to stay away he goes after her. And even after showing her lack of intent to fight (again, by sheathing the weapon) he insists on pursuing the engagement. From then on it's the two of them fighting, but even when he is on top and can easily end the fight without ending her life he chooses to end her life anyways (unless there is a certain intervention of the small metal bullet variety). Kenny escalated, Jane tried to de-escalate, and Kenny escalated again. After that moment it was game on for both of them, a fight to the death as you say. But had Kenny proven himself a sane man and halted his rage induced violent outbreak when clearly given the chance then it would have stopped there.
She tried to trick him into believing the baby had died. He is the one who believed for no reason that she had murdered the infant. If you, as you said, believe that she did not insinuate that she had killed the baby and that Kenny had just come to that outlandish conclusion then you must be admitting he was crazed. She tried to trick him, yes, but in his delusional mind "accidental death" meant "murdered." Was it a stupid plan? Sure was. But that doesn't negate his fractured state of mind.
It probably didn't help matters. Plus, once again, when would she have rationalized what happened? In the 5-10 seconds before Kenny stormed off into the snow and returned with a fight on his mind?
I agree. It was just downright stupid. So was Kenny.
As explained above, this sentiment is very accurate.
Because Kenny was in a delusional state of mind. Finding murder where there is accident (this is not a natural parental response). Jane just had a really, really bad idea of how to prove an important point to someone she felt needed to know.
I don't disagree, I think this is the right 1 to 1.
Bonnie gets to wheedle and beg before she's dead, Mike gets his brain obliterated for not being able to use it, Arvo gets the savage justice.
I have never pretended that Kenny was being rational in his response to the supposed "accident". You're being very black-white about this. Of course Kenny should not have jumped to the conclusion that Jane murdered the baby. Did he have his reasons though? Yeah. Almost any parent/guardian is going to become enraged in that moment. I wish Kenny would not have became violent, but he did, and Jane did nothing to rationalize on her end. She did nothing to help Kenny understand what happened. Indicting Kenny for not being very rational here is just unfair when we're talking about an event that could very well make anyone flip out. Emotion can over run the reflex to be calm and logical. This isn't just special to Kenny. You're basically blaming him for losing his cool in one of the most emotionally painful situations imaginable by anyone, while he got zero meaningful help or reassurance from anyone. It's just not realistic to expect a better reaction under the circumstances that Kenny was in. We can fault him for being violent to a degree (pinning Jane against the wall), but it doesn't justify killing the man.
Not sure if you were trying to be clever there or what, but no, it isn't anything so specific as that. She simply has shown to have a lack of care for other individuals survival. She has abandoned defenseless individuals before because of selfish reasons. She is more worried about her own survival. Even before Rebecca gives birth Jane states that having a baby around could be dangerous. So if it came down to the fact that Jane thought the baby put other people in jeopardy, and she had a perfect chance to abandon it, why is it crazy to assume that she would have abandoned it? Wouldn't be the first time she advocated abandoning a defenseless individual.
I can't remember if she for sure says anything really bad around Kenny, but for the gaming script I don't think its really taken into account. In the truck conversation he states what he believes about her. He states that he would have left her at Carver's camp if he had known what she truly was. If you let him kill Jane he states the same opinion again, saying that Jane had made it clear that she didn't want the baby around (which is why he was so genuinely surprised to actually find it alive).
Touched on this in my above arguments (in this current response), so I'll just briefly state again that a parental figure is not going to buy the excuse "It was an accident" when they are in the mental state that they are in. Kenny was convinced that Jane murdered AJ, and he received no rationalization. Saying "it was an accident" and leaving it at that means nothing, especially since Jane didn't even remotely try to back it up when Kenny called B.S. on it. Instead she chose to threaten him... because you know.. that sort of thing always helps. Also, saying it was "an accident" in that situation sounds so ridiculously contrived. No one who just got someone's kid killed on accident is going to just say "aw shit, it was an accident bro". They would actually take the time to explain what happened. They would be apologetic and sincere. This was actually kind of the point though. Jane wanted to be shady. If she tried to rationalize or look sincere at all, that would have gone completely against her agenda.
Also, there was no indication that Kenny was trying to outright murder Jane.
I think that would be true if we were not talking about Jane as the one who may or may not have murdered her child.
I really feel like she would come to the same conclusion that Kenny did. Especially if Jane proceeded to not rationalize, similar to her situation with Kenny.
What do you mean confirmation that Kenny will listen? No, she should explain herself regardless. Instead she just said, "it was an accident", and then immediately proceeded to threaten Kenny (x2) when he called B.S.
I don't think you understood what I was saying. You're telling me that the more likely murder situation with Jane involved just killin' for kicks opposed to actually killing for survival reasons? That was the only thing I was questioning from your original response. I really don't know what you're trying to say here.
What's your point? Its not like I have ever denied the fact that Kenny was being violent.
Also, as an aside, Jane was not trying to calm the situation down by putting away her knife. She saw that Kenny wasn't going to try anything when she had her knife out, so she put it away so he would try something. I know that may seem like a shot in the dark, but when you think about it, its really the only thing that makes sense. If she truly wanted to calm things down from there, she would have essentially proven nothing. If Kenny listened to her reasoning of "it was an accident" and didn't come near her when she told him not to, her whole plan would have fallen completely on her head. She would have failed and basically proven nothing. She then would have had to admit the sick plan that she was trying to pull.. and yeah... not good for Jane at all.
Why are you skipping over like 80% of the actual fight? Yes, Kenny attacked her when she sheathed her weapon. All he did was pin her to the wall. He was not trying to kill her. He was just being physical. I'll copy and paste what I said in my previous post..
"After she broke free from the wall she slammed Kenny in his bad eye, causing him to drop to the ground. She jumped on top of him and tried to land a barrage of punches to his face, but he blocked all of them. After he rolled away, Jane immediately went for her knife as he got up off the ground. She then lashed out and almost split his stomach open. If Kenny had been closer, he could have very well died from the wound. After getting slashed, Kenny immediately disengaged and ran away from Jane outside the building. Jane then jumped up and sprinted after him with knife in hand while he was slowly trying to back away from her. This would have been the perfect time to admit the baby was still alive/ try to end the fight. But no, she was more interested in killing him and she made that clear. No matter what option you choose when she is trying to close on him outside, she tries to stab and slash him while he is personally not trying to do anything to her at all. He caught her arm on one of her kill attempts and threw her over the fence along with himself. Jane then pounced on him and tried to gouge his bad eye out. Kenny was in excruciating pain. No matter what you say to Jane, she refuses to stop. Again, she could take this moment to explain that the baby is still alive, but nope. Kenny eventually broke free, got the knife, and then ended her depending on whether you let him do it or not."
Why are you choosing to ignore all of this? Jane was the one who escalated the fight into a fight to the death. There is proof of it. There is no proof of Kenny trying to kill her up until the very end when he is fighting for his life. Again, when Kenny disengaged from the fight and went outside, Jane could have used that opportunity to end the fight. Instead, she tried to kill him, and even admitted her intentions of trying to do that:
Even when Kenny is bringing the knife down on her, why do you think he should feel confident in letting her go? He had already backed away from her once and she proceeded by trying to run him down and kill him with her knife. In the heat of the moment he probably wouldn't have been thinking about this anyway, he was just trying to survive.
There isn't really any logical reasoning behind coming to that conclusion at all, at least not in the sense that you mean it. You're talking about him being crazy even prior to the fight, right? I see it as nothing more than a natural reaction to the situation.. as I explained in detail above.
No one was preventing her from speaking at any point. And again, a perfectly ideal time to do so would have been when Kenny disengaged from the fight after getting his stomach slashed. Kenny wasn't trying to do anything to her at that point. Instead she used the time to tell Kenny she was going to kill him, slowly advanced on him with the knife, and then tried to kill him. Not very good problem solving skills Jane..
Well at least we agree on something.. though I still say Kenny has an excuse (but yes, what he did was stupid)
So you label Jane's actions simply as a bad idea but feel like its fair to call Kenny a psycho for his bad reaction to a bad idea? Jane intentionally meant to do Kenny harm, in both a mental and physical sense. She was intentionally trying to break him. She wanted to fight him, even if she didn't mean to go to the point of trying to kill him. She did all of this to prove a point. It was more than just a bad plan.
I'm not necessarily even saying that Jane was psychotic, it just seems like you are not being fair/equal in your examination.
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Holy wow. Okay, that actually was a legitimately long post. Way longer than I thought it would be. No rush if you want to give me a reply...
I'm going to reply to this so you know I'm not ignoring you... but it may be a long while before I get the free time to read this and reply to it (especially with being at AIT and having the 4 day weekend about over with). If I forget about it, sorry. Until then I bid you adieu.
So uh, is it a bad thing that I've watched this gif like 30 times
It might mean you have chosen the wrong name:) lol
The part when he told Clem & AJ to leave him? that's obviously because he just realized he's a very dangerous man,only in my playthrough it took a gunshot to make him realized about that.
I mean please tell me how could you not shoot this satan? -_-
Obvious troll is obvious:p Oh and I did shoot Kenny (left Jane) but you're still being a troll
... Please explain how I am being a troll.
I hate Kenny and his guts so I shot him and left with Jane.
That really isn't obvious at all. You're kind of just speculating at that. During the Wellington endings, he never says hes too dangerous to be around Clem. He only says she will be safer there.
Only 30?