I shot Kenny but Jane lying is unforgivable. You can't push someone off the edge and say I knew this would happen lol. I went alone and was happy to leave all the crazy shit those people brought with them behind me. Lee said in the first season people would use her and that's all that happened in season 2. Clem was literally let down by every single person this season in one way or another and She was the only rational thinking person throughout it all. If you think about it the adults are useless and hazardous to Clem's health. #TrueStory
Well Janes plan wasnt well thought, because she didnt know Kenny that well, but she knew what he most likely will be like and was mostly rig… moreht. Only reason she even had to provoke Kenny was because she thought it was best for Clem to finally realise that Kenny isnt good company for her.
1: Sure it was team effort, but Jane's idea is what made the plan.
2: However Kenny killed Carver out of anger, Jane killed Troy because … moresmart. I don't find it disgusting? He did deserve it after all, so I don't know what your talking about. Making him a screaming dinnerbell causes him to be ultimate distraction for the walkers. Plus she did it for the groups sake, unlike Kenny.
3: ... She did help Rebecca and Clementine. If you didn't realize there was no exits from the walker hoard and her cow catcher trick was the only thing that would've got them out of there. Plus she did want to help them, she told them to not stay close together so the walkers don't recognize them, then she saw that Rebecca was scared so she helped her.
4: Actually, someone needed to stay with Rebecca. Kenny couldn't stay with her. So either Bonnie or Mike had to stay with her. So only 1 person could try to find Sarah and Luke. And let me tell you they wouldn'… [view original content]
You know the funny part of all the "Team Jane' people is that if you add the Kenny set up with her letting her own Sister die...it shows that Jane is the one more likely to let you die if it means her life. Yeah she's trying now but...how long will that last?
The baby is biggest treath to Clems safety in all non-wellington endings.
I knew right from start that she didnt kill/leave the baby to die (she got shocked just from killing random russian guy, she clearly wouldnt have been that calm after killing a baby), so i didnt feel that deceived, plus i understand her reasoning behind it so i was fine with that.
I shot Kenny but Jane lying is unforgivable. You can't push someone off the edge and say I knew this would happen lol. I went alone and was … morehappy to leave all the crazy shit those people brought with them behind me. Lee said in the first season people would use her and that's all that happened in season 2. Clem was literally let down by every single person this season in one way or another and She was the only rational thinking person throughout it all. If you think about it the adults are useless and hazardous to Clem's health. #TrueStory
You know the funny part of all the "Team Jane' people is that if you add the Kenny set up with her letting her own Sister die...it shows tha… moret Jane is the one more likely to let you die if it means her life. Yeah she's trying now but...how long will that last?
"Becoming a burden", he was one of the most capable members of the group. If anything it was people like Jane and Mike who were becoming burdens. Jane didn't give a shit about watching anyone's back and Mike was some humanitarian fuck-wit who wanted to save some Russian kid who almost got us killed. Kenny wanted to get shit done, cap the kid and move on. But nope, nobody stepped up, everyone defends Arvo. There was also a perfectly good truck, guess who got it working? Kenny. Guess where it got us? Wellington and or back to Carver's camp. Who took out most the Russians? Kenny. He was really not a burden.
Yeah, sure he did good things, but he did a lot bad things also, and if you didnt agree with him most of the times, he didnt come join you t… moreo find Clem (unless you helped his family and mention that)
Kenny is ready to let innocent people die and is ready to kill innocent people, because of a mistake.
And his history doesnt matter that much in 5th episode in 2nd season, because he clearly is becoming a burden to the group and must be left behind, very much like he wanted to leave Lilly, Ben and Omid behind.
It is clearly stated in the game that her sister didnt want to keep going and wanted to die. Im ok with people wanting to commit suicide for proper reason. You cant force others to live for your selfish needs. Jane did save Clems life at the lake and Kennys at the shooting scene. Why would Jane give up on Clementine? Only reason she left Clem the first time was because she realised that she is getting close to her, and she didnt want to see Clem die.
You know the funny part of all the "Team Jane' people is that if you add the Kenny set up with her letting her own Sister die...it shows tha… moret Jane is the one more likely to let you die if it means her life. Yeah she's trying now but...how long will that last?
Yes, Kenny has done bunch good things and right after that he started to argue with rest of the group. And the reason rest of them didnt want him to treat Arvo like shit, is because they actually care about other human beings, unlike Kenny. Jane went to look for Nick, Sarash and Luke, and she and Clem are the reason luke and possibly sarah survived for longer.
And how was he most capable in the group? He is the reason the group got split in the first place. He is the reason Clem got shot. Kenny tries to mean good but he only causes problems. To me, he is like Ben or Lilly. Just leave them behind so rest of the people can survive.
"Becoming a burden", he was one of the most capable members of the group. If anything it was people like Jane and Mike who were becoming bur… moredens. Jane didn't give a shit about watching anyone's back and Mike was some humanitarian fuck-wit who wanted to save some Russian kid who almost got us killed. Kenny wanted to get shit done, cap the kid and move on. But nope, nobody stepped up, everyone defends Arvo. There was also a perfectly good truck, guess who got it working? Kenny. Guess where it got us? Wellington and or back to Carver's camp. Who took out most the Russians? Kenny. He was really not a burden.
Jane went to look for the others, sure. But why didn't Kenny? Oh I dunno, maybe cause his lover was killed a few hours ago and he was in mourning or wanting to be beside her in her final moments. Nah, that can't be it.
Saying he is the reason Clem got shot is the biggest pile of bullshit I have ever heard. That was out of his control. Well, I tell a lie, it was in his control but he was getting cock blocked by people who "care about human beings". He could of shot Arvo and NONE of this would of happened. As for splitting the group, that was their own call, they wanted to save that Ruskie fucker and leave the rest.
Yes, Kenny has done bunch good things and right after that he started to argue with rest of the group. And the reason rest of them didnt wan… moret him to treat Arvo like shit, is because they actually care about other human beings, unlike Kenny. Jane went to look for Nick, Sarash and Luke, and she and Clem are the reason luke and possibly sarah survived for longer.
And how was he most capable in the group? He is the reason the group got split in the first place. He is the reason Clem got shot. Kenny tries to mean good but he only causes problems. To me, he is like Ben or Lilly. Just leave them behind so rest of the people can survive.
Kenny is by far my favorite non-protagonist character in the series, and Jane was my favorite character in the remaining group of people in Ep 5. (excluding Kenny of course). The problem I have with a lot of the things I read on here is everyone is glorifying the characters they support. "Kenny would never do anything to harm Clem." He definitely wouldn't INTENTIONALLY. Don't get me wrong Kenny has done great things for Clem and whatever group he was with at the time, but he also had a habit of really making things difficult with the group, and this just became more and more apparent as time went on. "Jane is a hero," she sure as hell isn't a hero, like Kenny she's helped a lot a fucked up a lot too. That whole thing at the end with the baby was a MASSIVE fuck up, and she really pissed me off with that move.
Now here's the kicker, I chose Jane and here's why. Kenny was doing some crazy shit by time the series ended, and I didn't think that was safe for Clem. I honestly get that Kenny would always look out for Clem, and he does follow through with his ending. But does the player know that when they have to make the decision? No (also, honestly I thought that Wellington was too good to be true, this was pretty much confirmed to be the case when it became clear it was overpopulated (although Clem and AJ did get lucky)) Jane was being manipulative by hiding the baby from Kenny and Clem, but does the player know that when they have to make the decision? For the most part, no. I was so pissed at Jane when I realized the baby was fine, if there was a ["I'll go with you but I sure as hell won't forgive you"] button that's what I would have picked. I would have been so pissed at myself too, except for Kenny's dying words. "You made the right choice" he said. Seriously, what a badass. So all in all, I don't regret going with Jane, I honestly thought she'd be safer with 'rational' Jane, than 'emotional' (albeit protective) Kenny, and knowing what I did when I made that choice, I believe it was the right one.
I guess the main thing here is that while I really enjoy discussing who we saved and stuff, there really isn't a right answer. Neither Kenny nor Jane are the "heroes" they are made out to be by some of the people on here, they're just fucking people and they both made massive mistakes over the course of the game. (Also if Season 3 follows Clementine I am totally going to cave in let Jane die just so I can play with Kenny again.)
How can you justify janes actions lol oh i know how #Jane Lover
Seriously if the dumb woman didnt start the shit in the first place it would not have come to anything
but not only by making a stupid decision to lie but she put clem in the middle of it she got herself stabbed
well in my game anyway im not a kenny basher but logically why would you lie to prove a point that could have been prevented to begin with??? jane was very manipulative fuck that im not listening to her brainwash mumbo jumbo makes me laugh watching fanboys argue why not just be happy with your fucking decision and leave it at that!
I was just playing the last part of that episode and i noticed few things on the fight.
* After she took her knife out, she looked at k… moreenny, and as she saw his face expression change to more calm, so she sheathed the knife and right after that kenny charged forward.
* When she was on the ground and kenny started charging at her, she had to slash Kenny with the knife to keep him away (people usually say this is the point of no return in the fight, which was pretty much Kennys fault)
* When they go outside, she tells kenny to "just go", still hoping to follow her original plan that would free them from Kenny, but Kenny clearly wants to fight to the death
So Kenny is the one that causes the fight to escalate into a deathmatch.
Jane surely set the wheels in motion, but kenny was the one who made it worse, until one of them had to die.
Yeah.. I don't understand how people forget that Kenny was the only one (besides Clem in some cases) who wanted to at the very least part ways with Arvo. If everyone would have listened to Kenny right there, how much pain would have been avoided? But nah, Kenny is just some evil man who was rough on poor innocent Arvo..
Jane went to look for the others, sure. But why didn't Kenny? Oh I dunno, maybe cause his lover was killed a few hours ago and he was in mou… morerning or wanting to be beside her in her final moments. Nah, that can't be it.
Saying he is the reason Clem got shot is the biggest pile of bullshit I have ever heard. That was out of his control. Well, I tell a lie, it was in his control but he was getting cock blocked by people who "care about human beings". He could of shot Arvo and NONE of this would of happened. As for splitting the group, that was their own call, they wanted to save that Ruskie fucker and leave the rest.
I knew right from start that she didnt kill/leave the baby to die
You knew Jane had manipulated the whole situation and you were still fine with putting a bullet in Kenny? You realized she was trying to break a grieving man and you were okay with that? Poor Kenny.
The baby is biggest treath to Clems safety in all non-wellington endings.
I knew right from start that she didnt kill/leave the baby to d… moreie (she got shocked just from killing random russian guy, she clearly wouldnt have been that calm after killing a baby), so i didnt feel that deceived, plus i understand her reasoning behind it so i was fine with that.
Actually they were cornered by zombies on the roof of a building and she couldnt throw her sister. So she just left her and jumped. What do you expect her to do? -_- Plus she CAME back for Clementine, she would never leave Clementine.
You know the funny part of all the "Team Jane' people is that if you add the Kenny set up with her letting her own Sister die...it shows tha… moret Jane is the one more likely to let you die if it means her life. Yeah she's trying now but...how long will that last?
Well that was the point... Kenny had been on the edge for a while, and Jane didnt want Clementine to be around Kenny when it would have happ… moreened, so she had plan to show what kenny can do in moment of anger, which would have convinced Clementine to go with Jane instead of Kenny.
Lee was going to prison, for killing someone while filled with anger, just like kenny. So even our current laws make Kenny the guilty one. I could have never forgiven Kenny for murdering someone Clementine liked, so i had to pull the trigger.
Well, I consider loyalty to be very important. I might have backed up Kenny purely on principle. Especially given the fact that Jane was acting like she had just killed the baby. To me, it seemed like she was trying to act like it was intentional too, not an accident. She was very weird about the whole baby thing. She was trying to provoke Clementine's close friend who is grieving and broken into getting into a fight with her. She didn't make a very good case in my opinion. She was taking advantage of Kenny's fragile state to force Clementine's hand. That's how I perceived it. Her way of proving her point was corrupt and I can't support her because of that. I would have sided with Kenny because Jane was the aggressor in what went down. She told a man who she knew had lost his wife, son, and girlfriend that she killed his new adopted son. The only thing that matters to Kenny in the world, besides Clem. That's just plain cruel, in my book. She was trying to provoke and destroy an already broken man. She came off as a sick and twisted to me. It's like teasing a mentally ill person. I found it very bizarre. I liked Jane up until that point too. I'm kind of bothered by that whole scene. It seemed so out of left field to me.
Agreed. You don't tell a man who has lost a son, a wife, and a woman who was practically his second wife that you just killed his newly adopted son (whether intentionally or accidentally), the only thing that matters to him in the world, and expect him not to attack you. She outright provoked him into a fight. She LIED to get him to attack her. I liked Jane a lot. I don't relish in what happened at all. I'm not one of those people who thinks that likings certain characters has to be mutually exclusive. I like both Kenny and Jane, but what she did was messed up. It was cruel and conniving. I did not like that side of her. Whatever Kenny may be, whatever faults he has (and admittedly, there are many), he's not a cruel man. He's not manipulative. He's hurting and broken. I didn't want to choose a person who deliberately plots to break people's psyches. That was too much for me. So, I chose Kenny.
There is no "self defense" when you provoke the fight, and Jane wanted Kenny dead and Clem to do it (Please Kenny AJ is alive in that car over there dont kill me!).
I knew from the start that she most likely did not kill the baby, but my reaction to that was different than zykelator's. It opened my eyes to how manipulative and cold she is. She pretty much told a grieving widower (twice, I consider Sarita to be his wife practically) and father who already lost a child that she just killed his newly adopted son, his only reason for living. If that's not cruel, I don't know what is. I liked Jane right up until that moment. She showed her true colors in that scene. I'd rather be with crazy Kenny than a manipulative, cruel person. At least Kenny wears his thoughts and emotions and craziness on his sleeve. It's not hidden like with Jane.
I knew right from start that she didnt kill/leave the baby to die
You knew Jane had manipulated the whole situation and you were sti… morell fine with putting a bullet in Kenny? You realized she was trying to break a grieving man and you were okay with that? Poor Kenny.
I think Lee gets a pass because he actually progressed as a person.
He regrets what he has done, and actively tries to do better.
In contrast there's Kenny. He regrets some of the things he's done, yet he never ever does better. He's says he'll do better, but it always ends up simply being words.
Good that you mentioned Lee. Did he not kill a man for banging his wife in the heat of anger? How did he turn out again? Dying for a litt… morele girl.
He did also technically end his brother only Lee's Bro was a walker.
And you can make Lee downright terrible and murderous and yet...still dies for Clem. And we all love Lee.
Does Lee get a pass because he's protagionist?
I was also Kenny's friend in Season 1, as well as Season 2.
And I have to agree, Jane didn't do all that much for Clem, or any of the group for that matter.
Unless you don't count her doin' Luke!
And of course saving Clem from that frozen lake.
And I gotta say, the whole fight between Kenny and Jane wasn't all that realistic.
When you look at Kenny, he's gotta be between 165lbs-200lbs.
Where as Jane's gotta be around 125lbs.
She might be strong in her own right, but based on size alone, she's no match for Kenny.
And Kenny is no slouch either.
He's shown himself to be a pretty strong guy!
Remember how he helped lift that door off of Lee, that had at least 2 walkers on top of it, back at the drugstore in Season 1-episode 3?
And how Kenny broke that Armoury door open, back at Crawford?
And also how he pinned Mike against that wall back at Carver's camp back?
Mike couldn't even move!
But back to the subject at hand, it was obvious that Jane was really just interested in looking after herself.
What really disgusted me, is how she berated and insulted poor Kenny in the truck.
Questioning him as a husband and father; saying he was a monster to them; and that they were terrified of him, saying Sarita knew he couldn't protect her, and saying that even Clementine wasn't safe with him, really pissed me off.
She knew nothing about Kenny!
What kind of husband/father he was.
Nor, how he would risk his life to help others, especially his family and friends.
All she had had a chance to see, was a guy who was in a deep state of grief, over losing almost everyone he cared for, and who was probably suffering from post-traumatic-stress-disorder; as a result.
And she was willing to kill Kenny, all just to prove some damn-stupid point!
And the fact that she left Alvie in a freezing car, in a blizzard, all so she could do so, was completely selfish.
She was nuts!
She got them out of Carvers lair, you all know how bad that place is and if they stayed any longer Carver could've killed another member, raped, tortured? So she basically saved some lives here
She killed Troy while he had the group at gunpoint. Nobody else had a gun... Also she was smart enough to make Troy a dinnerbell ( Distraction ) to make their escape easier.
She saved Rebecca and Clementine from the herd.
She saved Sarah and Luke from the trailer park, nobody else would've gone out looking for them. She did wanna save Sarah but she knew Sarah wasn't gonna make it. Also when Clementine tries to get Sarah out she tells Clementine to come out because if she stays any longer she could've died with Sarah (She saves Clem 3 times now)
She found the observation deck which saved a couple lives
She protected Clem from Arvo, what if Jane wasn't there and Arvo saw Clem? Who knows what would've happend then.
She teaches Clem new survival skills
She gives Clem a nail file which saves her life in ep 5
She cares for the group to steal meds from some random guy who has a sick sister
She saves Kenny and the group from Vitali
She saves Clementine when she is about to freeze to death. She risks her life to save Clem, she ran on the ice lake which could've broke any minute. She made the fire for Clem and got her warm with HER NAIL FILE/MATCHES.
She saves Clem from Mike and Bonnie and Arvo ( Sure Kenny helped but if only Kenny was there they wouldve overpowered Kenny and stole the truck )
She takes care of the baby 2 times
She tries to do the best for Clem by revealing who Kenny really is and what he would if the baby died
If you let her live she will take you to Howes and you will find food and baby formula, plus the building is safe from any walkers.
She only met Clem for a couple of weeks and she already did more than Kenny would ever do. She did more to the group more than Kenny'd ever done. Infact Kenny always broke the group apart while Jane helped the group. Jane doesn't own anything to the group and she has the right to leave any time she wants but she came back for the group and that makes her family.
I don't see the part where Jane is selfish, she never owe'd anything to the group yet she helps them anyway and saves their asses a couple of times. All Kenny ever does is break up groups and make problems.
Plus Jane should've won that match but she didn't for the sake of the story. She popped both of eyes which SHOULD'VE made him blind. She slashed/cut his stomach but I don't see his organs falling out...
That's a damn-good question?!
I was also Kenny's friend in Season 1, as well as Season 2.
And I have to agree, Jane didn't do all that m… moreuch for Clem, or any of the group for that matter.
Unless you don't count her doin' Luke!
And of course saving Clem from that frozen lake.
And I gotta say, the whole fight between Kenny and Jane wasn't all that realistic.
When you look at Kenny, he's gotta be between 165lbs-200lbs.
Where as Jane's gotta be around 125lbs.
She might be strong in her own right, but based on size alone, she's no match for Kenny.
And Kenny is no slouch either.
He's shown himself to be a pretty strong guy!
Remember how he helped lift that door off of Lee, that had at least 2 walkers on top of it, back at the drugstore in Season 1-episode 3?
And how Kenny broke that Armoury door open, back at Crawford?
And also how he pinned Mike against that wall back at Carver's camp back?
Mike couldn't even move!
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Jane was a psycho, have you seen the looks she has when Clementine is with Kenny.
Jane is traumatised and wants a sis 2.0 in Clem no matter what the costs.
Jane: When someone is traumatised/depressed just leave them TO DIE because of her sister and now everybody is the same
She has no problem with killing AJ(she talked about is a few times).
And who abandoned the group , Jane.
I think she'll walk out on Clem if she doesn't do exactly what she wants.
Kenny fixing the car and kicking it because it didn't work was the reason for "see that look/killl/Carver2.0/bla bla bla"speech.
I didn't see anything that Kenny did that was wrong: He asked Clem to leave when he took care of Carver
He got his head punched in so that Clem wouldn't get beaten
Seas1 ep 5 he risked his life(Christa/Ben) so that everyone didn't even knew if he would come back in Seas2 cause he was almost certainly dead
Jane:
Leave Sara, leave Kenny, and then Jane LEFT!!!
A had no problem choosing Kenny's side since Jane provoked Kenny all the time attacking his family(Kenny gets angry about everything yeah,right) ans she set up the final fight so good riddance
Wellington is also crowded and low on supplies, as Edith says, which means it could easily fall if one person turns and then they turn someone else, it'll spread fast.
* Kenny gets Clem to Wellington.
...that's it. Don't know why people keep explaining why they made the wrong decision to go without Kenny.
It's really weird.
Wellington is also crowded and low on supplies, as Edith says, which means it could easily fall if one person turns and then they turn someone else, it'll spread fast.
I think she'll walk out on Clem if she doesn't do exactly what she wants
Except for her letting Clem decide what to do about the group that comes to Howe's. If anyone couldn't stand being stood up to, it was Kenny. "Mr. It's my plan or gtfo"
Why is it so hard to view Jane as a character that has an actual arc. She progresses. She moves from loner who avoids bonding because of her past, to a trustworthy companion who is slowly getting ready to once again trust in and bond with people.
Jane was a psycho, have you seen the looks she has when Clementine is with Kenny.
Jane is traumatised and wants a sis 2.0 in Clem no matter… more what the costs.
Jane: When someone is traumatised/depressed just leave them TO DIE because of her sister and now everybody is the same
She has no problem with killing AJ(she talked about is a few times).
And who abandoned the group , Jane.
I think she'll walk out on Clem if she doesn't do exactly what she wants.
Kenny fixing the car and kicking it because it didn't work was the reason for "see that look/killl/Carver2.0/bla bla bla"speech.
I didn't see anything that Kenny did that was wrong: He asked Clem to leave when he took care of Carver
He got his head punched in so that Clem wouldn't get beaten
Seas1 ep 5 he risked his life(Christa/Ben) so that everyone didn't even knew if he would come back in Seas2 cause he was almost certainly dead
Jane:
Leave Sara, leave Kenny, and then Jane LEFT!!!
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I don't think it was a "calm expresion" it was more of a "be prepared expresion". She counts on Kenny exploding the way he did (everyone expected that).
In season 1 you fight with Kenny and he always calm down at some point, i'm not saying he couldn't kill her with his bare hands, but at the moment she uses the knife Kenny probably thought she wanted to really kill him. I mean im not justyfing Ken actions but in a fight when someone uses a knife you know shit just got real.
When you try to separate them, and tell Jane to run, she say something like "No way" as well as Kenny does, so at this point the two of them want to fight to the death.
So as you can see here thats your opinion, and this is mine.
I was just playing the last part of that episode and i noticed few things on the fight.
* After she took her knife out, she looked at k… moreenny, and as she saw his face expression change to more calm, so she sheathed the knife and right after that kenny charged forward.
* When she was on the ground and kenny started charging at her, she had to slash Kenny with the knife to keep him away (people usually say this is the point of no return in the fight, which was pretty much Kennys fault)
* When they go outside, she tells kenny to "just go", still hoping to follow her original plan that would free them from Kenny, but Kenny clearly wants to fight to the death
So Kenny is the one that causes the fight to escalate into a deathmatch.
Jane surely set the wheels in motion, but kenny was the one who made it worse, until one of them had to die.
Kenny isn't a dog that you put down when you feel like it's feeling sick. This was literally 2-3 days after Sarita, his emotional anchor, got killed. He wasn't turning into a Carver 2.0, he was still fucking grieving from his loss.
I like how you call Kenny the irrational one. Apparently risking a babies life so you can prove that taking a man's last hope makes him mad is rational. Not only that but Jane goes in for a kill without ever mentioning AJ's real faith. What a smart woman, she was so perfect at surviving the zombie apocalypse she rused a frail, malnourished, one eyed man and still lost.
Kenny pointed out there was no point living in a world like the walking dead universe. It's why he was so attached to AJ. He was Kenny's beacon of light in a dark dark world and he made it his mission to raise the child. This is why I stuck with Kenny, he is dangerous to strangers and enemies but a hero to the ones he cares about. He would risk his life for you, Jane wouldn't.
From the start of season 2, i knew there was something wrong with kenny and over the episodes, he only made it worse for himself. He was jus… moret full of hate and slowly turning into carver 2.0, so i knew i had to put him down. The moment Jane showed up without the baby, i knew that she was planning to provoke Kenny into fight, to prove that kenny isnt safe to be around (since clem would have to choose between Kenny and Jane) and i was ok with that.
I like the way telltale made people make decision between old friend, who had gone crazy, or new friend, who was pretty much perfect at surviving zombie apocalypse. Go for irrational choice (Kenny), or think about whats best for your own survival (Jane). I didnt actually even care about the baby, and if there was an option, i would just leave it behind, it would simply be too much trouble in world like that.
Kenny wanted to get out of that "prison" where the others didn't know what to do .
She was no loner , she was talking to the guards about getting out of the prison.
She kills just as easy as Kenny, so there is no right choise except maybe that Jane sets up a fight to the finish by "killing"AJ.
I think she'll walk out on Clem if she doesn't do exactly what she wants
Except for her letting Clem decide what to do about the gro… moreup that comes to Howe's. If anyone couldn't stand being stood up to, it was Kenny. "Mr. It's my plan or gtfo"
Why is it so hard to view Jane as a character that has an actual arc. She progresses. She moves from loner who avoids bonding because of her past, to a trustworthy companion who is slowly getting ready to once again trust in and bond with people.
Wtf she does not want a sis 2.0. She got attached to Clementine and treats her like her sister but she never wanted a sis 2.0 in the beginning. Kenny is the one who wants a duck 2.0. Since when did she say she had no problem with killing AJ? She just said its gonna be hard on everyone to raise a baby in a zombie apocalypse. She'll never walk out on Clem, she CAME BACK for the group and Clementine. What the hell? Since when was "Kenny kicking the car" the reason that Jane told Clem that Kennys dangerous? Jane knows what Kenny is and what he will do once he loses the baby. Kenny is a psycho maniac murderer who can't control his emotions and SCREAMED at Clementine when Sarita died. He didn't ask Clem to leave when he was killing Carver, he just told her that it would get messy. He wasted the groups time by beating on Carvers corpse which could've been used to escape the herd safely. Sure he took the walkie talkie from Clem but HE WAS THE ONE who gave it to her in the first place. Sure, in ep 5 he saved Christa/Ben but Kenny was suicidal then and he did want to die. Jane was the one who saved Sarah and Luke, she didn't want to leave Sarah but Sarah was giving up and Jane didn't want Clem to stay down with Sarah because she didn't want Clem to die. I don't see the part where she left Kenny, she saves HIS LIFE In ep 5 when she kills Vitali ( The russian guy who was about to shoot Kenny ). Yeah she left but she didn't owe anything to the group, she left because she didn't want to witness any more deaths. Infact the group owe Jane. Also Jane came back AND SHE HAD EVERY REASON NOT TO COME BACK but she chose to come back and stay with the group. Kenny was the one provoking Jane, he was the one who started calling Jane a loner and that nobody loved her. Jane hid the baby to show Clem Kennys true colors and what he would do if the baby got killed. So what would Kenny do if Clem accidently killed the baby? He'd kill Clem. Jane was right about Kenny from the beginning. Im glad I shot Kenny and went with Jane.
Jane was a psycho, have you seen the looks she has when Clementine is with Kenny.
Jane is traumatised and wants a sis 2.0 in Clem no matter… more what the costs.
Jane: When someone is traumatised/depressed just leave them TO DIE because of her sister and now everybody is the same
She has no problem with killing AJ(she talked about is a few times).
And who abandoned the group , Jane.
I think she'll walk out on Clem if she doesn't do exactly what she wants.
Kenny fixing the car and kicking it because it didn't work was the reason for "see that look/killl/Carver2.0/bla bla bla"speech.
I didn't see anything that Kenny did that was wrong: He asked Clem to leave when he took care of Carver
He got his head punched in so that Clem wouldn't get beaten
Seas1 ep 5 he risked his life(Christa/Ben) so that everyone didn't even knew if he would come back in Seas2 cause he was almost certainly dead
Jane:
Leave Sara, leave Kenny, and then Jane LEFT!!!
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Wellington is also crowded and low on supplies, as Edith says, which means it could easily fall if one person turns and then they turn someone else, it'll spread fast.
I'm talking about the very end, where Jane and Clem get back to the warehouse.
Someone shows up, and Jane lets Clem decide whether to invite them in or not - not exactly a walking out on Clem if she doesn't do what Jane wants.
Also being a loner doesn't mean you don't talk to people if it's necessary. It simply means you prefer not to interact with others.
Jane had become this way, since being a group that fell apart, and subsequently losing her sister tragically. She didn't want to bond to others, since all her experience told her, that that would just lead to more misery.
Through season 2 she learns that this isn't a good way to live, and is slowly brought back to better social stance.
Kenny wanted to get out of that "prison" where the others didn't know what to do .
She was no loner , she was talking to the guards about g… moreetting out of the prison.
She kills just as easy as Kenny, so there is no right choise except maybe that Jane sets up a fight to the finish by "killing"AJ.
If you want a family in the ZA simply because you want a family, then you wont ever really be able to gain a family.
You can't force it, and you shouldn't try. You want a group that can grow together and become a family, but if that group can't do so - perhaps because of a crazy bossy bullying "uncle" - then something has to give.
And Kenny was in no way Clementine's family. In my play through he was the douche that kept disagreeing with Lee and who didn't lift a finger to save me.
The problem with this aspect of Kenny is that it takes so little for him to stop caring about you. Disagree with him once and you're a spoiled brat or a fucking idiot. More than once, and you're trying to hurt him and those he cares about/who haven't disagreed with him.
i knew i had to put him down.
Kenny isn't a dog that you put down when you feel like it's feeling sick. This was literally 2-3 days … moreafter Sarita, his emotional anchor, got killed. He wasn't turning into a Carver 2.0, he was still fucking grieving from his loss.
I like how you call Kenny the irrational one. Apparently risking a babies life so you can prove that taking a man's last hope makes him mad is rational. Not only that but Jane goes in for a kill without ever mentioning AJ's real faith. What a smart woman, she was so perfect at surviving the zombie apocalypse she rused a frail, malnourished, one eyed man and still lost.
Kenny pointed out there was no point living in a world like the walking dead universe. It's why he was so attached to AJ. He was Kenny's beacon of light in a dark dark world and he made it his mission to raise the child. This is why I stuck with Kenny, he is dangerous to strangers and enemies but a hero to the ones he cares about. He would risk his life for you, Jane wouldn't.
How would you feel if the only person you love is killed and people just say "i'm sorry" ? I think you want to be alone , he didn't do anything to her just let her leave so he could grieve , he still helped with the baby getting born.
And if you put it that way Kenny would have killed Arvo on the spot so the Russkies wouldn't even shoot Luke an Jane wouldn't have to do shit when she comes back.
All Jane said the whole time was: "leave em all leave Sarah" she just bursted in and starting writing off the closest friends Clem had/has.
How would you feel is someone comes in and says kill your friend who was making progress(sure she died later but not because she froze she was full aware) or she would have died for sure because of Jane wanted to leave her(if Sarah killed Jane in a ep it wouldn't surprise me did it didn't).
Or the closest thing she has of a father lets kill him ans so on and so on
Howes was responcible for a lot of deaths , they shot Nick and Sarahs father and all the others that died in the walls.
Jane got them out ? No, that was Clem after bonnie told that there where amplifiers/speakers in the office to draw walkers
Wtf she does not want a sis 2.0. She got attached to Clementine and treats her like her sister but she never wanted a sis 2.0 in the beginni… moreng. Kenny is the one who wants a duck 2.0. Since when did she say she had no problem with killing AJ? She just said its gonna be hard on everyone to raise a baby in a zombie apocalypse. She'll never walk out on Clem, she CAME BACK for the group and Clementine. What the hell? Since when was "Kenny kicking the car" the reason that Jane told Clem that Kennys dangerous? Jane knows what Kenny is and what he will do once he loses the baby. Kenny is a psycho maniac murderer who can't control his emotions and SCREAMED at Clementine when Sarita died. He didn't ask Clem to leave when he was killing Carver, he just told her that it would get messy. He wasted the groups time by beating on Carvers corpse which could've been used to escape the herd safely. Sure he took the walkie talkie from Clem but HE WAS THE ONE who… [view original content]
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In my first save, I shot Kenny because Clem would have a better chance to survive with Jane!
On my second, I let Kenny kill Jane because I love Kenny for all he's done for Clem!
For me, there were just two equal options. pro's and con's of each so it was just the survival with Jane I chose first!
Edit to add: whois this Luke you speak of? didn't he die ages ago??
I shot Kenny but Jane lying is unforgivable. You can't push someone off the edge and say I knew this would happen lol. I went alone and was happy to leave all the crazy shit those people brought with them behind me. Lee said in the first season people would use her and that's all that happened in season 2. Clem was literally let down by every single person this season in one way or another and She was the only rational thinking person throughout it all. If you think about it the adults are useless and hazardous to Clem's health. #TrueStory
...that's it. Don't know why people keep explaining why they made the wrong decision to go without Kenny.
It's really weird.
You know the funny part of all the "Team Jane' people is that if you add the Kenny set up with her letting her own Sister die...it shows that Jane is the one more likely to let you die if it means her life. Yeah she's trying now but...how long will that last?
The baby is biggest treath to Clems safety in all non-wellington endings.
I knew right from start that she didnt kill/leave the baby to die (she got shocked just from killing random russian guy, she clearly wouldnt have been that calm after killing a baby), so i didnt feel that deceived, plus i understand her reasoning behind it so i was fine with that.
And yet Lee killed a man and he is a hero here
"Becoming a burden", he was one of the most capable members of the group. If anything it was people like Jane and Mike who were becoming burdens. Jane didn't give a shit about watching anyone's back and Mike was some humanitarian fuck-wit who wanted to save some Russian kid who almost got us killed. Kenny wanted to get shit done, cap the kid and move on. But nope, nobody stepped up, everyone defends Arvo. There was also a perfectly good truck, guess who got it working? Kenny. Guess where it got us? Wellington and or back to Carver's camp. Who took out most the Russians? Kenny. He was really not a burden.
Good that you mentioned Lee. Did he not kill a man for banging his wife in the heat of anger? How did he turn out again? Dying for a little girl.
He did also technically end his brother only Lee's Bro was a walker.
And you can make Lee downright terrible and murderous and yet...still dies for Clem. And we all love Lee.
Does Lee get a pass because he's protagionist?
It is clearly stated in the game that her sister didnt want to keep going and wanted to die. Im ok with people wanting to commit suicide for proper reason. You cant force others to live for your selfish needs. Jane did save Clems life at the lake and Kennys at the shooting scene. Why would Jane give up on Clementine? Only reason she left Clem the first time was because she realised that she is getting close to her, and she didnt want to see Clem die.
Yes, Kenny has done bunch good things and right after that he started to argue with rest of the group. And the reason rest of them didnt want him to treat Arvo like shit, is because they actually care about other human beings, unlike Kenny. Jane went to look for Nick, Sarash and Luke, and she and Clem are the reason luke and possibly sarah survived for longer.
And how was he most capable in the group? He is the reason the group got split in the first place. He is the reason Clem got shot. Kenny tries to mean good but he only causes problems. To me, he is like Ben or Lilly. Just leave them behind so rest of the people can survive.
Jane went to look for the others, sure. But why didn't Kenny? Oh I dunno, maybe cause his lover was killed a few hours ago and he was in mourning or wanting to be beside her in her final moments. Nah, that can't be it.
Saying he is the reason Clem got shot is the biggest pile of bullshit I have ever heard. That was out of his control. Well, I tell a lie, it was in his control but he was getting cock blocked by people who "care about human beings". He could of shot Arvo and NONE of this would of happened. As for splitting the group, that was their own call, they wanted to save that Ruskie fucker and leave the rest.
kinda ironic because he is the one that wanted to kill Ben (which led to Clem saying that)
Here's my 2 cents and a nickel:
Kenny is by far my favorite non-protagonist character in the series, and Jane was my favorite character in the remaining group of people in Ep 5. (excluding Kenny of course). The problem I have with a lot of the things I read on here is everyone is glorifying the characters they support. "Kenny would never do anything to harm Clem." He definitely wouldn't INTENTIONALLY. Don't get me wrong Kenny has done great things for Clem and whatever group he was with at the time, but he also had a habit of really making things difficult with the group, and this just became more and more apparent as time went on. "Jane is a hero," she sure as hell isn't a hero, like Kenny she's helped a lot a fucked up a lot too. That whole thing at the end with the baby was a MASSIVE fuck up, and she really pissed me off with that move.
Now here's the kicker, I chose Jane and here's why. Kenny was doing some crazy shit by time the series ended, and I didn't think that was safe for Clem. I honestly get that Kenny would always look out for Clem, and he does follow through with his ending. But does the player know that when they have to make the decision? No (also, honestly I thought that Wellington was too good to be true, this was pretty much confirmed to be the case when it became clear it was overpopulated (although Clem and AJ did get lucky)) Jane was being manipulative by hiding the baby from Kenny and Clem, but does the player know that when they have to make the decision? For the most part, no. I was so pissed at Jane when I realized the baby was fine, if there was a ["I'll go with you but I sure as hell won't forgive you"] button that's what I would have picked. I would have been so pissed at myself too, except for Kenny's dying words. "You made the right choice" he said. Seriously, what a badass. So all in all, I don't regret going with Jane, I honestly thought she'd be safer with 'rational' Jane, than 'emotional' (albeit protective) Kenny, and knowing what I did when I made that choice, I believe it was the right one.
I guess the main thing here is that while I really enjoy discussing who we saved and stuff, there really isn't a right answer. Neither Kenny nor Jane are the "heroes" they are made out to be by some of the people on here, they're just fucking people and they both made massive mistakes over the course of the game. (Also if Season 3 follows Clementine I am totally going to cave in let Jane die just so I can play with Kenny again.)
it wasnt to kill ben it was to leave him behind to which they all voted BOOM
How can you justify janes actions lol oh i know how #Jane Lover
Seriously if the dumb woman didnt start the shit in the first place it would not have come to anything
but not only by making a stupid decision to lie but she put clem in the middle of it she got herself stabbed
well in my game anyway im not a kenny basher but logically why would you lie to prove a point that could have been prevented to begin with??? jane was very manipulative fuck that im not listening to her brainwash mumbo jumbo makes me laugh watching fanboys argue why not just be happy with your fucking decision and leave it at that!
Yeah.. I don't understand how people forget that Kenny was the only one (besides Clem in some cases) who wanted to at the very least part ways with Arvo. If everyone would have listened to Kenny right there, how much pain would have been avoided? But nah, Kenny is just some evil man who was rough on poor innocent Arvo..
You knew Jane had manipulated the whole situation and you were still fine with putting a bullet in Kenny? You realized she was trying to break a grieving man and you were okay with that? Poor Kenny.
Actually they were cornered by zombies on the roof of a building and she couldnt throw her sister. So she just left her and jumped. What do you expect her to do? -_- Plus she CAME back for Clementine, she would never leave Clementine.
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You're just on a roll with the profanity-laced, all caps insults, aren't you? You take this game awfully seriously.
Well, I consider loyalty to be very important. I might have backed up Kenny purely on principle. Especially given the fact that Jane was acting like she had just killed the baby. To me, it seemed like she was trying to act like it was intentional too, not an accident. She was very weird about the whole baby thing. She was trying to provoke Clementine's close friend who is grieving and broken into getting into a fight with her. She didn't make a very good case in my opinion. She was taking advantage of Kenny's fragile state to force Clementine's hand. That's how I perceived it. Her way of proving her point was corrupt and I can't support her because of that. I would have sided with Kenny because Jane was the aggressor in what went down. She told a man who she knew had lost his wife, son, and girlfriend that she killed his new adopted son. The only thing that matters to Kenny in the world, besides Clem. That's just plain cruel, in my book. She was trying to provoke and destroy an already broken man. She came off as a sick and twisted to me. It's like teasing a mentally ill person. I found it very bizarre. I liked Jane up until that point too. I'm kind of bothered by that whole scene. It seemed so out of left field to me.
Agreed. You don't tell a man who has lost a son, a wife, and a woman who was practically his second wife that you just killed his newly adopted son (whether intentionally or accidentally), the only thing that matters to him in the world, and expect him not to attack you. She outright provoked him into a fight. She LIED to get him to attack her. I liked Jane a lot. I don't relish in what happened at all. I'm not one of those people who thinks that likings certain characters has to be mutually exclusive. I like both Kenny and Jane, but what she did was messed up. It was cruel and conniving. I did not like that side of her. Whatever Kenny may be, whatever faults he has (and admittedly, there are many), he's not a cruel man. He's not manipulative. He's hurting and broken. I didn't want to choose a person who deliberately plots to break people's psyches. That was too much for me. So, I chose Kenny.
I knew from the start that she most likely did not kill the baby, but my reaction to that was different than zykelator's. It opened my eyes to how manipulative and cold she is. She pretty much told a grieving widower (twice, I consider Sarita to be his wife practically) and father who already lost a child that she just killed his newly adopted son, his only reason for living. If that's not cruel, I don't know what is. I liked Jane right up until that moment. She showed her true colors in that scene. I'd rather be with crazy Kenny than a manipulative, cruel person. At least Kenny wears his thoughts and emotions and craziness on his sleeve. It's not hidden like with Jane.
I think Lee gets a pass because he actually progressed as a person.
He regrets what he has done, and actively tries to do better.
In contrast there's Kenny. He regrets some of the things he's done, yet he never ever does better. He's says he'll do better, but it always ends up simply being words.
That's a damn-good question?!
I was also Kenny's friend in Season 1, as well as Season 2.
And I have to agree, Jane didn't do all that much for Clem, or any of the group for that matter.
Unless you don't count her doin' Luke!
And of course saving Clem from that frozen lake.
And I gotta say, the whole fight between Kenny and Jane wasn't all that realistic.
When you look at Kenny, he's gotta be between 165lbs-200lbs.
Where as Jane's gotta be around 125lbs.
She might be strong in her own right, but based on size alone, she's no match for Kenny.
And Kenny is no slouch either.
He's shown himself to be a pretty strong guy!
Remember how he helped lift that door off of Lee, that had at least 2 walkers on top of it, back at the drugstore in Season 1-episode 3?
And how Kenny broke that Armoury door open, back at Crawford?
And also how he pinned Mike against that wall back at Carver's camp back?
Mike couldn't even move!
But back to the subject at hand, it was obvious that Jane was really just interested in looking after herself.
What really disgusted me, is how she berated and insulted poor Kenny in the truck.
Questioning him as a husband and father; saying he was a monster to them; and that they were terrified of him, saying Sarita knew he couldn't protect her, and saying that even Clementine wasn't safe with him, really pissed me off.
She knew nothing about Kenny!
What kind of husband/father he was.
Nor, how he would risk his life to help others, especially his family and friends.
All she had had a chance to see, was a guy who was in a deep state of grief, over losing almost everyone he cared for, and who was probably suffering from post-traumatic-stress-disorder; as a result.
And she was willing to kill Kenny, all just to prove some damn-stupid point!
And the fact that she left Alvie in a freezing car, in a blizzard, all so she could do so, was completely selfish.
She was nuts!
Jane:
She got them out of Carvers lair, you all know how bad that place is and if they stayed any longer Carver could've killed another member, raped, tortured? So she basically saved some lives here
She killed Troy while he had the group at gunpoint. Nobody else had a gun... Also she was smart enough to make Troy a dinnerbell ( Distraction ) to make their escape easier.
She saved Rebecca and Clementine from the herd.
She saved Sarah and Luke from the trailer park, nobody else would've gone out looking for them. She did wanna save Sarah but she knew Sarah wasn't gonna make it. Also when Clementine tries to get Sarah out she tells Clementine to come out because if she stays any longer she could've died with Sarah (She saves Clem 3 times now)
She found the observation deck which saved a couple lives
She protected Clem from Arvo, what if Jane wasn't there and Arvo saw Clem? Who knows what would've happend then.
She teaches Clem new survival skills
She gives Clem a nail file which saves her life in ep 5
She cares for the group to steal meds from some random guy who has a sick sister
She saves Kenny and the group from Vitali
She saves Clementine when she is about to freeze to death. She risks her life to save Clem, she ran on the ice lake which could've broke any minute. She made the fire for Clem and got her warm with HER NAIL FILE/MATCHES.
She saves Clem from Mike and Bonnie and Arvo ( Sure Kenny helped but if only Kenny was there they wouldve overpowered Kenny and stole the truck )
She takes care of the baby 2 times
She tries to do the best for Clem by revealing who Kenny really is and what he would if the baby died
If you let her live she will take you to Howes and you will find food and baby formula, plus the building is safe from any walkers.
She only met Clem for a couple of weeks and she already did more than Kenny would ever do. She did more to the group more than Kenny'd ever done. Infact Kenny always broke the group apart while Jane helped the group. Jane doesn't own anything to the group and she has the right to leave any time she wants but she came back for the group and that makes her family.
I don't see the part where Jane is selfish, she never owe'd anything to the group yet she helps them anyway and saves their asses a couple of times. All Kenny ever does is break up groups and make problems.
Plus Jane should've won that match but she didn't for the sake of the story. She popped both of eyes which SHOULD'VE made him blind. She slashed/cut his stomach but I don't see his organs falling out...
Jane was a psycho, have you seen the looks she has when Clementine is with Kenny.
Jane is traumatised and wants a sis 2.0 in Clem no matter what the costs.
Jane: When someone is traumatised/depressed just leave them TO DIE because of her sister and now everybody is the same
She has no problem with killing AJ(she talked about is a few times).
And who abandoned the group , Jane.
I think she'll walk out on Clem if she doesn't do exactly what she wants.
Kenny fixing the car and kicking it because it didn't work was the reason for "see that look/killl/Carver2.0/bla bla bla"speech.
I didn't see anything that Kenny did that was wrong: He asked Clem to leave when he took care of Carver
He got his head punched in so that Clem wouldn't get beaten
Seas1 ep 5 he risked his life(Christa/Ben) so that everyone didn't even knew if he would come back in Seas2 cause he was almost certainly dead
Jane:
Leave Sara, leave Kenny, and then Jane LEFT!!!
A had no problem choosing Kenny's side since Jane provoked Kenny all the time attacking his family(Kenny gets angry about everything yeah,right) ans she set up the final fight so good riddance
Wellington is also crowded and low on supplies, as Edith says, which means it could easily fall if one person turns and then they turn someone else, it'll spread fast.
And how do you know if Howes was not overrun by walkers ??? That was a bigger risk than Wellington.
Jane was trying to save her own ass
Except for her letting Clem decide what to do about the group that comes to Howe's. If anyone couldn't stand being stood up to, it was Kenny. "Mr. It's my plan or gtfo"
Why is it so hard to view Jane as a character that has an actual arc. She progresses. She moves from loner who avoids bonding because of her past, to a trustworthy companion who is slowly getting ready to once again trust in and bond with people.
So as you can see here thats your opinion, and this is mine.
Kenny isn't a dog that you put down when you feel like it's feeling sick. This was literally 2-3 days after Sarita, his emotional anchor, got killed. He wasn't turning into a Carver 2.0, he was still fucking grieving from his loss.
I like how you call Kenny the irrational one. Apparently risking a babies life so you can prove that taking a man's last hope makes him mad is rational. Not only that but Jane goes in for a kill without ever mentioning AJ's real faith. What a smart woman, she was so perfect at surviving the zombie apocalypse she rused a frail, malnourished, one eyed man and still lost.
Kenny pointed out there was no point living in a world like the walking dead universe. It's why he was so attached to AJ. He was Kenny's beacon of light in a dark dark world and he made it his mission to raise the child. This is why I stuck with Kenny, he is dangerous to strangers and enemies but a hero to the ones he cares about. He would risk his life for you, Jane wouldn't.
Kenny wanted to get out of that "prison" where the others didn't know what to do .
She was no loner , she was talking to the guards about getting out of the prison.
She kills just as easy as Kenny, so there is no right choise except maybe that Jane sets up a fight to the finish by "killing"AJ.
Wtf she does not want a sis 2.0. She got attached to Clementine and treats her like her sister but she never wanted a sis 2.0 in the beginning. Kenny is the one who wants a duck 2.0. Since when did she say she had no problem with killing AJ? She just said its gonna be hard on everyone to raise a baby in a zombie apocalypse. She'll never walk out on Clem, she CAME BACK for the group and Clementine. What the hell? Since when was "Kenny kicking the car" the reason that Jane told Clem that Kennys dangerous? Jane knows what Kenny is and what he will do once he loses the baby. Kenny is a psycho maniac murderer who can't control his emotions and SCREAMED at Clementine when Sarita died. He didn't ask Clem to leave when he was killing Carver, he just told her that it would get messy. He wasted the groups time by beating on Carvers corpse which could've been used to escape the herd safely. Sure he took the walkie talkie from Clem but HE WAS THE ONE who gave it to her in the first place. Sure, in ep 5 he saved Christa/Ben but Kenny was suicidal then and he did want to die. Jane was the one who saved Sarah and Luke, she didn't want to leave Sarah but Sarah was giving up and Jane didn't want Clem to stay down with Sarah because she didn't want Clem to die. I don't see the part where she left Kenny, she saves HIS LIFE In ep 5 when she kills Vitali ( The russian guy who was about to shoot Kenny ). Yeah she left but she didn't owe anything to the group, she left because she didn't want to witness any more deaths. Infact the group owe Jane. Also Jane came back AND SHE HAD EVERY REASON NOT TO COME BACK but she chose to come back and stay with the group. Kenny was the one provoking Jane, he was the one who started calling Jane a loner and that nobody loved her. Jane hid the baby to show Clem Kennys true colors and what he would do if the baby got killed. So what would Kenny do if Clem accidently killed the baby? He'd kill Clem. Jane was right about Kenny from the beginning. Im glad I shot Kenny and went with Jane.
"Wellington is also crowded and low on supplies" then why they give one bag per group?
Then what is the point of survival? Why Jane wants Clem to go with her? What does everybody want in the ZA? Familiy.
I'm talking about the very end, where Jane and Clem get back to the warehouse.
Someone shows up, and Jane lets Clem decide whether to invite them in or not - not exactly a walking out on Clem if she doesn't do what Jane wants.
Also being a loner doesn't mean you don't talk to people if it's necessary. It simply means you prefer not to interact with others.
Jane had become this way, since being a group that fell apart, and subsequently losing her sister tragically. She didn't want to bond to others, since all her experience told her, that that would just lead to more misery.
Through season 2 she learns that this isn't a good way to live, and is slowly brought back to better social stance.
If you want a family in the ZA simply because you want a family, then you wont ever really be able to gain a family.
You can't force it, and you shouldn't try. You want a group that can grow together and become a family, but if that group can't do so - perhaps because of a crazy bossy bullying "uncle" - then something has to give.
And Kenny was in no way Clementine's family. In my play through he was the douche that kept disagreeing with Lee and who didn't lift a finger to save me.
The problem with this aspect of Kenny is that it takes so little for him to stop caring about you. Disagree with him once and you're a spoiled brat or a fucking idiot. More than once, and you're trying to hurt him and those he cares about/who haven't disagreed with him.
How would you feel if the only person you love is killed and people just say "i'm sorry" ? I think you want to be alone , he didn't do anything to her just let her leave so he could grieve , he still helped with the baby getting born.
And if you put it that way Kenny would have killed Arvo on the spot so the Russkies wouldn't even shoot Luke an Jane wouldn't have to do shit when she comes back.
All Jane said the whole time was: "leave em all leave Sarah" she just bursted in and starting writing off the closest friends Clem had/has.
How would you feel is someone comes in and says kill your friend who was making progress(sure she died later but not because she froze she was full aware) or she would have died for sure because of Jane wanted to leave her(if Sarah killed Jane in a ep it wouldn't surprise me did it didn't).
Or the closest thing she has of a father lets kill him ans so on and so on
Howes was responcible for a lot of deaths , they shot Nick and Sarahs father and all the others that died in the walls.
Jane got them out ? No, that was Clem after bonnie told that there where amplifiers/speakers in the office to draw walkers