Not a very hard choice after all...

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  • No, you aren't. He dies with the knowledge that he couldn't save AJ, just like he couldn't save Sarita or his family. I can only imagine the feelings of absolute hopeless he must feel thinking that he failed everyone he ever cared about.

    Wellington is the better choice for Kenny. He sacrifices himself to finally succeed. He redeems himself and can die in peace.

    ErenCoral posted: »

    The better choice is to make Kenny die, he suffered too much and you're actually doing him a favour of a lifetime. The Jane ending is better anyway since everyone has a happy ending in the Jane ending.

  • That's exactly why she brought out a knife.

    ErenCoral posted: »

    But she didn't want to kill Kenny, she just wanted to show Clem who he really was. After Kenny tried to kill her she tried to kill him in self-defense.

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    Feel free to give an example of this in season 2, preferably related to Clem.

    Eguro posted: »

    but a hero to the ones he cares about. The problem with this aspect of Kenny is that it takes so little for him to stop caring about

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    Sorry havn't killed Kenny yet so don't know what you're talking about.
    Kenny wrote himself out so that Clem and AJ could stay in Wellington and he would try to survive alone, and its your choise if you stay in wellington (don't know why it couldn't just be AJ that you could leave as a choise to give him a chance)

    Eguro posted: »

    I'm talking about the very end, where Jane and Clem get back to the warehouse. Someone shows up, and Jane lets Clem decide whether to inv

  • She didn't even try to help Sarah just "leave her TO DIE"

    ErenCoral posted: »

    Wtf she does not want a sis 2.0. She got attached to Clementine and treats her like her sister but she never wanted a sis 2.0 in the beginni

  • "And Kenny was in no way Clementine's family. In my play through..."

    There

    Eguro posted: »

    If you want a family in the ZA simply because you want a family, then you wont ever really be able to gain a family. You can't force it,

  • She didn't even try to help sarah, just leave her to DIE nothing more

    ErenCoral posted: »

    Wtf she does not want a sis 2.0. She got attached to Clementine and treats her like her sister but she never wanted a sis 2.0 in the beginni

  • It's not even his baby -_- He just wants a duck number 2.0. Also humans make mistakes, Jane wanted to show Clem how Kenny'd react if the baby died. You missed my point. If Clem accidently kills the baby, Kenny will kill her. Kenny is evil and everyone knows it. Kenny didn't do anything to Jane? He got Luke killed, he caused the group to break up, he started talking shit about her ( Your just a fucking loner that cares about nobody, nobody cares about you. ). Kenny wouldn't have killed Arvo on spot. Also at that time all we knew about Arvo is that he has a sick sister and that he was trying to hide meds, why the hell would Jane have killed him? She didn't try to leave Sarah but Sarah wasn't cooperating so what was she suppose to do? Also Jane predicted Sarah's death and knew she would die. As I repeat she saved the group multiple times ( so basically she saved Clems friends ) She does care about the group and she just tried to leave Sarah because Sarah wouldn't cooperate ( Luke tried to get her out for HOURS ). Howes was responsible for lots of deaths, thats why Jane tried to leave the place as soon as possible. As Jane said the plan was GOOD but the execution part was messy. Sure Carlos and Nick died because they got shot but it was better to escape the place sooner then later, who knows what Carver would've done to them if they stayed any longer... Torture them? Rape them? Kill them?

    Kenny-Lee posted: »

    How would you feel if the only person you love is killed and people just say "i'm sorry" ? I think you want to be alone , he didn't do anyth

  • Yeah, easiest choice in the entire season.

  • Who cares that the whelp died?

    Kenny-Lee posted: »

    She didn't even try to help sarah, just leave her to DIE nothing more

  • ... Who cares what he feels before he dies, after he dies none of his "feelings" would matter. Wellington is not the better ending, the hell would you save Kenny then go to Wellington where

    If you stay in Wellington: Kenny stays outside which is basically a death sentence

    If you leave with Kenny: Its a death sentence for you all, plus the baby doesn't have any formula so he's the first one who's gonna die.

    The Howe's ending is happier for Clem, AJ, Jane, and even Kenny ( You finally put him out of his misery ).

    No, you aren't. He dies with the knowledge that he couldn't save AJ, just like he couldn't save Sarita or his family. I can only imagine the

  • Not the first time they killed Kenny.

  • Read my post, I addressed that.

    Kenny-Lee posted: »

    She didn't even try to help Sarah just "leave her TO DIE"

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    And how would you feel if someone you knew accidently(thats what they tell you) killed a baby you love and see him as the future.
    He didn't do shit to Clem and helped her outeven when the choises were really hard to make.
    So your IF this and IF that won't help because we could IF just as much it didn't happen what you said.
    If Clem is stressed or depressed at the wrong time Jane would leave Clem as a post traumatic stress symptom because of what happened with her sister
    Clem also asked Jane if she gets scared would Jane write her off ?? And i think she had a point

    ErenCoral posted: »

    It's not even his baby -_- He just wants a duck number 2.0. Also humans make mistakes, Jane wanted to show Clem how Kenny'd react if the bab

  • She didn't even try with Sarah, and Clem got trough. So if if if won't cut it here.
    IF Carver bla , yeah right we could do this all day IF Lee bit/ate Clem in ep 5 seas 1 seas 2 would be a left 4 dead where you play the zombie
    If if, Molly would have killed Jane because Jane is an unstable psycho that is looking for a reason to kill.
    Carver deserved to die thats certain because of Alvin and all the others that died sarah would have been safe because luke would be able to push her through the sky window on the roof, kenny with Arvo(who shot Clem) was a bit over the top but luke just died because arvo run away

    ErenCoral posted: »

    It's not even his baby -_- He just wants a duck number 2.0. Also humans make mistakes, Jane wanted to show Clem how Kenny'd react if the bab

  • Sure I'd get mad but she said it was an accident. He tries to brutally murder her for an accident. He did do shit to Clem and put her in danger a couple of times. Kenny is the reason Lee dies! When Lee dies Clem is all alone, do you know that Clem could've died? He also gave her the radio and if Kenny wasn't there then Carver would've bashed Clementines head in. My "IFS" are legitimate which would happen under the said circumstances. If Clem is stressed or depressed Jane would leave her? Lol, you make me laugh. Jane didn't leave her sister in cold blood. Jane and her sister were cornered on a roof by walkers. Jane couldn't throw her sister on the other building. Jane couldn't do anything to save her sister so Jane just jumped on the other building and left her sister BUT ONLY because she couldn't do anything to help her sister. Clem had a point when she asked Jane if she'd ever leave her if she's scared but Jane said she wouldn't have to since she knows Clem isn't Sarah. Clem has been through too much shit and she is hardened emotionally and Jane knows that.

    Kenny-Lee posted: »

    And how would you feel if someone you knew accidently(thats what they tell you) killed a baby you love and see him as the future. He didn't

  • you adressed that but in the walking dead scene 95-99% op the people die , so thats a lame reason not to do jack shit .
    Every survivor is precious to this world

    ErenCoral posted: »

    Read my post, I addressed that.

  • I saw it coming but that is not the point, Jane didn't even try

    SonEdo posted: »

    Who cares that the whelp died?

  • If you stay in Wellington: Kenny stays outside which is basically a death sentence

    That's the point. He finally brings Clem and AJ to safety and redeems himself for his past failures. He can now die happy knowing he succeeded his mission. How are you not understanding this?

    Howe's ending is happier in your opinion but objectively, completely ignoring the Jane and Kenny conflict, Wellington is the best place for Clem and AJ.

    Also, if Kenny wanted to be put out of his misery he'd do it himself, putting him down like a dog because he's suffering is no justification for murder, especially if he didn't ask you to do it in the first place.

    ... Who cares what he feels before he dies, after he dies none of his "feelings" would matter.

    Not surprising coming from you.

    ErenCoral posted: »

    ... Who cares what he feels before he dies, after he dies none of his "feelings" would matter. Wellington is not the better ending, the hell

  • All of episode 4. There's one example for you.

    Feel free to give an example of this in season 2, preferably related to Clem.

  • Omg I'm not going to talk about the first point because I addressed it on my post. As I said, my IFS are legitimate and will happen under the said circumstances. How is Jane an unstable psycho that is looking for a reason to kill? When Jane killed Vitali, she was shocked. She never killed anyone who didn't wrong her in a way, she even said when she killed Vitali that it didn't feel right even though he is a bad guy. I'm not saying Carver didn't deserve the beating, it's just that after 3 hits Carver was dead and Kenny was beating on a corpse aka wasting the groups precious time that could've been used to escape and prevent Carlos's death and Nick's death. The only reason Arvo ran is because Kenny kept abusing him and brutally beating him. Ofcourse he'd try to run away -_- So basically Kenny caused Luke's death indirectly.

    Your arguments are invalid...

    Kenny-Lee posted: »

    She didn't even try with Sarah, and Clem got trough. So if if if won't cut it here. IF Carver bla , yeah right we could do this all day IF

  • Kenny the reason Lee dies? No that was Clem believing a stranger and Lee trying to save her and got bitten outside the yard.
    And if kenny wasn't there , but he was and didn't hesitate to take all the blame...
    What a Jane defense squad we have here

    ErenCoral posted: »

    Sure I'd get mad but she said it was an accident. He tries to brutally murder her for an accident. He did do shit to Clem and put her in dan

  • Excuse me? If you think Sarah was a precious survivor then you are terribley mistaken. She was sheltered from the apocalypse and couldn't have survived. She was actually a burden and a heavy one. I'm not hating on Sarah but I'm just saying that she was a heavy burden and didn't help the group in any way :/

    Kenny-Lee posted: »

    you adressed that but in the walking dead scene 95-99% op the people die , so thats a lame reason not to do jack shit . Every survivor is precious to this world

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    Arvo "Whe are here to rob you... " what a sweet boy he was....
    He robs you even if you don't take his stuff... so sweet.... NOT

    ErenCoral posted: »

    Omg I'm not going to talk about the first point because I addressed it on my post. As I said, my IFS are legitimate and will happen under th

  • Kenny was acting like dictator and that caused the group to fall appart. After Luke died, they had no reason to stay together anymore and listen to Kennys crap. So yes, Kenny is the reason group split in half and Clem got shot.

    Jane went to look for the others, sure. But why didn't Kenny? Oh I dunno, maybe cause his lover was killed a few hours ago and he was in mou

  • That's the point? So basically you let Kenny kill Jane and take you to Wellington " Just to redeem himself " Then he can die in peace? That's just a waste of lives. Wellington is a bell that attracts everything, from bandits to walkers. Also how do you know they have formula? Howes had formula for the baby. You do not know what Wellington is, it could be a group that kills humans and eats their meat. Its better to stay with Jane in a place you know and a place where nobody is there.

    What the hell? Not surprising coming for me? I'm being realistic here, Kenny would not feel anything after he dies so why does it matter if he wants to feel happy before he dies? -_-

    If you stay in Wellington: Kenny stays outside which is basically a death sentence That's the point. He finally brings Clem and AJ t

  • Rusing a broken man for the purpose of killing him to prove a point is apparently not a waste of life? Heading to one location and then turning back after losing lives is apparently not a waste of life?

    I like how you only apply the dangers to Wellington and not Howes. Howes is just as attractive for bandits as Wellington. Do you want to know the difference between the two? Wellington is a fortified fortress in the middle of nowhere armed by guards. It's walls are huge and supported by crates. Howes is a hardware story with a lot of entrances and a lot of windows, even fully defended it had a lot of weakspots but now it has almost no guards and no defences. At least Wellington will be able to put up a fight and probably win.

    Considering their community gives out essentials to travellers when they could easily say "fuck off" and point a gun, tells me that their people are fair and just. If they were cannibals they wouldn't turn food away, i'm sure they'd prefer to eat outsiders as opposed to their own.

    ErenCoral posted: »

    That's the point? So basically you let Kenny kill Jane and take you to Wellington " Just to redeem himself " Then he can die in peace? That'

  • It's my truck - fuck you all!

    You embarrassed me Clementine (by voicing any disagreement with Kenny's plan! WTF?).

    He's not exactly friendly after people shoot down his 'let's attack the guards as soon as they open the truck doors' plan.

    I will admit that it was more explicit in season one - something like "You didn't help me with Larry - so fuck you and Clementine" - where as in this season it's just sort of a fact of life, but isn't said in so many words.

    All of episode 4. There's one example for you.

  • "And Kenny was in no way Clementine's family. In my play through..."

    There

    Here?!

    Kiwi93 posted: »

    "And Kenny was in no way Clementine's family. In my play through..." There

  • How are you able to write that much? The most my comment can fit is about a fifth of what you wrote. Is there some requirement you have to meet to not have a character limit?

    reedemer posted: »

    * Jane didn't get them out of Carvers camp, it was a team effort. Kenny suggested attracting walkers, Mike and Rebecca mentioned speakers an

    1. Thats thats really matter of opinion. Didnt think it looked anything else than he calming down
    2. Well, in season 1 he wasnt as broken as in season 2. If the group didnt stop him, he would have probably killed Arvo with his fists.
    3. Jane didnt want to back off because she wanted Clem to come with her. Kenny didnt back off because he wanted to kill Jane.
    Kiwi93 posted: »

    * I don't think it was a "calm expresion" it was more of a "be prepared expresion". She counts on Kenny exploding the way he did (everyone e

  • No

    ErenCoral posted: »

    1: Sure it was team effort, but Jane's idea is what made the plan. 2: However Kenny killed Carver out of anger, Jane killed Troy because

  • I cant really see how Kenny fans dont understand why she did it...
    She did it because she knew that they were going to seperate, and she wanted to win Clem on her side.
    You say its manipulative, i say it was clever way to show what Kenny has become.
    Only reason you wouldnt want to shoot Kenny and allow him murder innocent girl, is because you have been bros with him since season 1, which is stupid reason. If Kenny was new character in season 2, no one would want to let him live.

    How can you justify janes actions lol oh i know how #Jane Lover Seriously if the dumb woman didnt start the shit in the first place it wo

  • When did Jane talk of killing Alvie?
    I don't remember her doing so.

    And I agree with you.
    Kenny did more for Clem and the group, than Jane did.

    Who got beat nearly to death, for trying to protect Clementine?
    Kenny!
    Who trusted her with the important task of getting them a radio?
    Kenny!
    Who constantly fretted over Clementine's wellbeing?
    Kenny!
    Who took care of Alvie most of the time, after Rebecca died?
    Kenny!
    Who decided on what the baby's name should be?
    Kenny!
    Who fixed up the truck, while everyone else sat on their asses?
    Kenny!
    Who refused to give up hope of something better than hiding and trying to survive from day-to-day?
    Kenny!

    Kenny-Lee posted: »

    Jane was a psycho, have you seen the looks she has when Clementine is with Kenny. Jane is traumatised and wants a sis 2.0 in Clem no matter

  • Let me repeat she did not try to kill him at first, she just wanted to show Clem how he'd react if Clem ever lost the baby. Okay going to this magical Wellington that could be a freaking rumor and losing lives on the way is not a waste of life? They knew where Howe's was and they knew it had supplies. Plus it was Kennys idea to go to Wellington anyway.

    Okay maybe you are right about this part but there is no time to become a "kid" in the zombie apocalypse. What if a HUGE ASS herd of walkers come to Wellington and take it down? People wouldn't know how to defend themselves because they forgot all about survival. Staying with Jane increases your chances of living, I mean who wouldn't want to stay with a hardcore survivalist? Also they said Howes wasnt a temporary soloution for them. They werent gonna stay there forever.

    Rusing a broken man for the purpose of killing him to prove a point is apparently not a waste of life? Heading to one location and then turn

  • Well even before the scene, i knew something had to be done to kenny, either leave him behind or even kill. I just knew it had to be done and as soon as she came there without the baby, and Kenny was walking back inside, after that look on his face, i knew that i would have to kill him. How exactly was she manipulating me, if i knew what she was doing all along? She killed some random russian guy and got shocked. How do you think she could kill a baby and not get emotional?

    She knew that they would have to go seperate ways, and she wanted to win Clem on her side, thats why she didnt back down on the fight. Kenny didnt back down because he just wanted to kill her.

    Belan posted: »

    I knew right from start that she didnt kill/leave the baby to die You knew Jane had manipulated the whole situation and you were sti

  • That seems quite strange...

    The comment window can be stretched in the bottom right corner - perhaps this might be of use to you?

    How are you able to write that much? The most my comment can fit is about a fifth of what you wrote. Is there some requirement you have to meet to not have a character limit?

  • Because walkers don't just stay in one place, they move north always as seen in the TV show. It wasn't a bigger risk, Wellington was a bigger risk since they didn't even know if it exists or not. In the end, Wellington was full. They didn't accept new members except for Clem and the baby. So what if the whole cabin crew were alive and listened to Kenny and went to Wellington? They sure as hell would be mad at Kenny and would kick him out of the group.

    Kenny-Lee posted: »

    And how do you know if Howes was not overrun by walkers ??? That was a bigger risk than Wellington. Jane was trying to save her own ass

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    If you noticed in my comment, I did mention that Jane did do some good things.
    However, her leaving Alvie in a frigid car, just so she could proceed with her own agenda, was extremely selfish, as it put Alvie in danger of freezing to death.

    And if she just wanted to prove Kenny as unstable, she could've said Alvie was fine.
    But she didn't!
    She wanted to fight.
    She wanted to kill Kenny.
    And all just to prove some stupid point, and have Clementine all to herself.
    That's what I call selfish.

    And Kenny showed what he really was, at Wellington.
    Kenny loved those kids so much, and wanted to ensure their safety so badly, that he was willing to give them up, if tarts what it took.
    That showed what kind of person Kenny really was.

    ErenCoral posted: »

    Jane: * She got them out of Carvers lair, you all know how bad that place is and if they stayed any longer Carver could've killed anoth

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    From Janes perspective, Kenny was very unstable and she knew that when they are going to seperate, Clem wouldnt come with her if she just asked, so she had to show how Kenny would act on situations like that, and hoping it would convince Clem to follow Jane instead.

    And the baby wasnt really at any risk anyway. You can see that one scene before rest stop, where Clem walks around walkers, and they are just standing still (because they got too cold). So obviously walkers couldnt get to the baby and it was safe inside the car anyway.

    ps. Jane was the one who ran back to the ice to save Clem if she fell through the ice, and was trying to light the fire while Kenny was busy beating the russian kid. If walking on thin ice to save a friend isnt risking her life, then nothing is.

    Even if people dont agree with Jane after seeing her Plan, i still dont think se deserves to die for that. In that moment, when you are holding the gun and kenny is trying to overpower Jane, Kenny deserves to die more than Jane.

    i knew i had to put him down. Kenny isn't a dog that you put down when you feel like it's feeling sick. This was literally 2-3 days

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