No, you aren't. He dies with the knowledge that he couldn't save AJ, just like he couldn't save Sarita or his family. I can only imagine the feelings of absolute hopeless he must feel thinking that he failed everyone he ever cared about.
Wellington is the better choice for Kenny. He sacrifices himself to finally succeed. He redeems himself and can die in peace.
The better choice is to make Kenny die, he suffered too much and you're actually doing him a favour of a lifetime. The Jane ending is better anyway since everyone has a happy ending in the Jane ending.
But she didn't want to kill Kenny, she just wanted to show Clem who he really was. After Kenny tried to kill her she tried to kill him in self-defense.
but a hero to the ones he cares about.
The problem with this aspect of Kenny is that it takes so little for him to stop caring about… more you. Disagree with him once and you're a spoiled brat or a fucking idiot. More than once, and you're trying to hurt him and those he cares about/who haven't disagreed with him.
Sorry havn't killed Kenny yet so don't know what you're talking about.
Kenny wrote himself out so that Clem and AJ could stay in Wellington and he would try to survive alone, and its your choise if you stay in wellington (don't know why it couldn't just be AJ that you could leave as a choise to give him a chance)
I'm talking about the very end, where Jane and Clem get back to the warehouse.
Someone shows up, and Jane lets Clem decide whether to inv… moreite them in or not - not exactly a walking out on Clem if she doesn't do what Jane wants.
Also being a loner doesn't mean you don't talk to people if it's necessary. It simply means you prefer not to interact with others.
Jane had become this way, since being a group that fell apart, and subsequently losing her sister tragically. She didn't want to bond to others, since all her experience told her, that that would just lead to more misery.
Through season 2 she learns that this isn't a good way to live, and is slowly brought back to better social stance.
Wtf she does not want a sis 2.0. She got attached to Clementine and treats her like her sister but she never wanted a sis 2.0 in the beginni… moreng. Kenny is the one who wants a duck 2.0. Since when did she say she had no problem with killing AJ? She just said its gonna be hard on everyone to raise a baby in a zombie apocalypse. She'll never walk out on Clem, she CAME BACK for the group and Clementine. What the hell? Since when was "Kenny kicking the car" the reason that Jane told Clem that Kennys dangerous? Jane knows what Kenny is and what he will do once he loses the baby. Kenny is a psycho maniac murderer who can't control his emotions and SCREAMED at Clementine when Sarita died. He didn't ask Clem to leave when he was killing Carver, he just told her that it would get messy. He wasted the groups time by beating on Carvers corpse which could've been used to escape the herd safely. Sure he took the walkie talkie from Clem but HE WAS THE ONE who… [view original content]
If you want a family in the ZA simply because you want a family, then you wont ever really be able to gain a family.
You can't force it, … moreand you shouldn't try. You want a group that can grow together and become a family, but if that group can't do so - perhaps because of a crazy bossy bullying "uncle" - then something has to give.
And Kenny was in no way Clementine's family. In my play through he was the douche that kept disagreeing with Lee and who didn't lift a finger to save me.
Wtf she does not want a sis 2.0. She got attached to Clementine and treats her like her sister but she never wanted a sis 2.0 in the beginni… moreng. Kenny is the one who wants a duck 2.0. Since when did she say she had no problem with killing AJ? She just said its gonna be hard on everyone to raise a baby in a zombie apocalypse. She'll never walk out on Clem, she CAME BACK for the group and Clementine. What the hell? Since when was "Kenny kicking the car" the reason that Jane told Clem that Kennys dangerous? Jane knows what Kenny is and what he will do once he loses the baby. Kenny is a psycho maniac murderer who can't control his emotions and SCREAMED at Clementine when Sarita died. He didn't ask Clem to leave when he was killing Carver, he just told her that it would get messy. He wasted the groups time by beating on Carvers corpse which could've been used to escape the herd safely. Sure he took the walkie talkie from Clem but HE WAS THE ONE who… [view original content]
It's not even his baby -_- He just wants a duck number 2.0. Also humans make mistakes, Jane wanted to show Clem how Kenny'd react if the baby died. You missed my point. If Clem accidently kills the baby, Kenny will kill her. Kenny is evil and everyone knows it. Kenny didn't do anything to Jane? He got Luke killed, he caused the group to break up, he started talking shit about her ( Your just a fucking loner that cares about nobody, nobody cares about you. ). Kenny wouldn't have killed Arvo on spot. Also at that time all we knew about Arvo is that he has a sick sister and that he was trying to hide meds, why the hell would Jane have killed him? She didn't try to leave Sarah but Sarah wasn't cooperating so what was she suppose to do? Also Jane predicted Sarah's death and knew she would die. As I repeat she saved the group multiple times ( so basically she saved Clems friends ) She does care about the group and she just tried to leave Sarah because Sarah wouldn't cooperate ( Luke tried to get her out for HOURS ). Howes was responsible for lots of deaths, thats why Jane tried to leave the place as soon as possible. As Jane said the plan was GOOD but the execution part was messy. Sure Carlos and Nick died because they got shot but it was better to escape the place sooner then later, who knows what Carver would've done to them if they stayed any longer... Torture them? Rape them? Kill them?
How would you feel if the only person you love is killed and people just say "i'm sorry" ? I think you want to be alone , he didn't do anyth… moreing to her just let her leave so he could grieve , he still helped with the baby getting born.
And if you put it that way Kenny would have killed Arvo on the spot so the Russkies wouldn't even shoot Luke an Jane wouldn't have to do shit when she comes back.
All Jane said the whole time was: "leave em all leave Sarah" she just bursted in and starting writing off the closest friends Clem had/has.
How would you feel is someone comes in and says kill your friend who was making progress(sure she died later but not because she froze she was full aware) or she would have died for sure because of Jane wanted to leave her(if Sarah killed Jane in a ep it wouldn't surprise me did it didn't).
Or the closest thing she has of a father lets kill him ans so on and so on
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... Who cares what he feels before he dies, after he dies none of his "feelings" would matter. Wellington is not the better ending, the hell would you save Kenny then go to Wellington where
If you stay in Wellington: Kenny stays outside which is basically a death sentence
If you leave with Kenny: Its a death sentence for you all, plus the baby doesn't have any formula so he's the first one who's gonna die.
The Howe's ending is happier for Clem, AJ, Jane, and even Kenny ( You finally put him out of his misery ).
No, you aren't. He dies with the knowledge that he couldn't save AJ, just like he couldn't save Sarita or his family. I can only imagine the… more feelings of absolute hopeless he must feel thinking that he failed everyone he ever cared about.
Wellington is the better choice for Kenny. He sacrifices himself to finally succeed. He redeems himself and can die in peace.
And how would you feel if someone you knew accidently(thats what they tell you) killed a baby you love and see him as the future.
He didn't do shit to Clem and helped her outeven when the choises were really hard to make.
So your IF this and IF that won't help because we could IF just as much it didn't happen what you said.
If Clem is stressed or depressed at the wrong time Jane would leave Clem as a post traumatic stress symptom because of what happened with her sister
Clem also asked Jane if she gets scared would Jane write her off ?? And i think she had a point
It's not even his baby -_- He just wants a duck number 2.0. Also humans make mistakes, Jane wanted to show Clem how Kenny'd react if the bab… morey died. You missed my point. If Clem accidently kills the baby, Kenny will kill her. Kenny is evil and everyone knows it. Kenny didn't do anything to Jane? He got Luke killed, he caused the group to break up, he started talking shit about her ( Your just a fucking loner that cares about nobody, nobody cares about you. ). Kenny wouldn't have killed Arvo on spot. Also at that time all we knew about Arvo is that he has a sick sister and that he was trying to hide meds, why the hell would Jane have killed him? She didn't try to leave Sarah but Sarah wasn't cooperating so what was she suppose to do? Also Jane predicted Sarah's death and knew she would die. As I repeat she saved the group multiple times ( so basically she saved Clems friends ) She does care about the group and she just tried to leave Sarah beca… [view original content]
She didn't even try with Sarah, and Clem got trough. So if if if won't cut it here.
IF Carver bla , yeah right we could do this all day IF Lee bit/ate Clem in ep 5 seas 1 seas 2 would be a left 4 dead where you play the zombie
If if, Molly would have killed Jane because Jane is an unstable psycho that is looking for a reason to kill.
Carver deserved to die thats certain because of Alvin and all the others that died sarah would have been safe because luke would be able to push her through the sky window on the roof, kenny with Arvo(who shot Clem) was a bit over the top but luke just died because arvo run away
It's not even his baby -_- He just wants a duck number 2.0. Also humans make mistakes, Jane wanted to show Clem how Kenny'd react if the bab… morey died. You missed my point. If Clem accidently kills the baby, Kenny will kill her. Kenny is evil and everyone knows it. Kenny didn't do anything to Jane? He got Luke killed, he caused the group to break up, he started talking shit about her ( Your just a fucking loner that cares about nobody, nobody cares about you. ). Kenny wouldn't have killed Arvo on spot. Also at that time all we knew about Arvo is that he has a sick sister and that he was trying to hide meds, why the hell would Jane have killed him? She didn't try to leave Sarah but Sarah wasn't cooperating so what was she suppose to do? Also Jane predicted Sarah's death and knew she would die. As I repeat she saved the group multiple times ( so basically she saved Clems friends ) She does care about the group and she just tried to leave Sarah beca… [view original content]
Sure I'd get mad but she said it was an accident. He tries to brutally murder her for an accident. He did do shit to Clem and put her in danger a couple of times. Kenny is the reason Lee dies! When Lee dies Clem is all alone, do you know that Clem could've died? He also gave her the radio and if Kenny wasn't there then Carver would've bashed Clementines head in. My "IFS" are legitimate which would happen under the said circumstances. If Clem is stressed or depressed Jane would leave her? Lol, you make me laugh. Jane didn't leave her sister in cold blood. Jane and her sister were cornered on a roof by walkers. Jane couldn't throw her sister on the other building. Jane couldn't do anything to save her sister so Jane just jumped on the other building and left her sister BUT ONLY because she couldn't do anything to help her sister. Clem had a point when she asked Jane if she'd ever leave her if she's scared but Jane said she wouldn't have to since she knows Clem isn't Sarah. Clem has been through too much shit and she is hardened emotionally and Jane knows that.
And how would you feel if someone you knew accidently(thats what they tell you) killed a baby you love and see him as the future.
He didn't… more do shit to Clem and helped her outeven when the choises were really hard to make.
So your IF this and IF that won't help because we could IF just as much it didn't happen what you said.
If Clem is stressed or depressed at the wrong time Jane would leave Clem as a post traumatic stress symptom because of what happened with her sister
Clem also asked Jane if she gets scared would Jane write her off ?? And i think she had a point
you adressed that but in the walking dead scene 95-99% op the people die , so thats a lame reason not to do jack shit .
Every survivor is precious to this world
If you stay in Wellington: Kenny stays outside which is basically a death sentence
That's the point. He finally brings Clem and AJ to safety and redeems himself for his past failures. He can now die happy knowing he succeeded his mission. How are you not understanding this?
Howe's ending is happier in your opinion but objectively, completely ignoring the Jane and Kenny conflict, Wellington is the best place for Clem and AJ.
Also, if Kenny wanted to be put out of his misery he'd do it himself, putting him down like a dog because he's suffering is no justification for murder, especially if he didn't ask you to do it in the first place.
... Who cares what he feels before he dies, after he dies none of his "feelings" would matter.
... Who cares what he feels before he dies, after he dies none of his "feelings" would matter. Wellington is not the better ending, the hell… more would you save Kenny then go to Wellington where
If you stay in Wellington: Kenny stays outside which is basically a death sentence
If you leave with Kenny: Its a death sentence for you all, plus the baby doesn't have any formula so he's the first one who's gonna die.
The Howe's ending is happier for Clem, AJ, Jane, and even Kenny ( You finally put him out of his misery ).
Omg I'm not going to talk about the first point because I addressed it on my post. As I said, my IFS are legitimate and will happen under the said circumstances. How is Jane an unstable psycho that is looking for a reason to kill? When Jane killed Vitali, she was shocked. She never killed anyone who didn't wrong her in a way, she even said when she killed Vitali that it didn't feel right even though he is a bad guy. I'm not saying Carver didn't deserve the beating, it's just that after 3 hits Carver was dead and Kenny was beating on a corpse aka wasting the groups precious time that could've been used to escape and prevent Carlos's death and Nick's death. The only reason Arvo ran is because Kenny kept abusing him and brutally beating him. Ofcourse he'd try to run away -_- So basically Kenny caused Luke's death indirectly.
She didn't even try with Sarah, and Clem got trough. So if if if won't cut it here.
IF Carver bla , yeah right we could do this all day IF … moreLee bit/ate Clem in ep 5 seas 1 seas 2 would be a left 4 dead where you play the zombie
If if, Molly would have killed Jane because Jane is an unstable psycho that is looking for a reason to kill.
Carver deserved to die thats certain because of Alvin and all the others that died sarah would have been safe because luke would be able to push her through the sky window on the roof, kenny with Arvo(who shot Clem) was a bit over the top but luke just died because arvo run away
Kenny the reason Lee dies? No that was Clem believing a stranger and Lee trying to save her and got bitten outside the yard.
And if kenny wasn't there , but he was and didn't hesitate to take all the blame...
What a Jane defense squad we have here
Sure I'd get mad but she said it was an accident. He tries to brutally murder her for an accident. He did do shit to Clem and put her in dan… moreger a couple of times. Kenny is the reason Lee dies! When Lee dies Clem is all alone, do you know that Clem could've died? He also gave her the radio and if Kenny wasn't there then Carver would've bashed Clementines head in. My "IFS" are legitimate which would happen under the said circumstances. If Clem is stressed or depressed Jane would leave her? Lol, you make me laugh. Jane didn't leave her sister in cold blood. Jane and her sister were cornered on a roof by walkers. Jane couldn't throw her sister on the other building. Jane couldn't do anything to save her sister so Jane just jumped on the other building and left her sister BUT ONLY because she couldn't do anything to help her sister. Clem had a point when she asked Jane if she'd ever leave her if she's scared but Jane said she wouldn't have to sinc… [view original content]
Excuse me? If you think Sarah was a precious survivor then you are terribley mistaken. She was sheltered from the apocalypse and couldn't have survived. She was actually a burden and a heavy one. I'm not hating on Sarah but I'm just saying that she was a heavy burden and didn't help the group in any way
you adressed that but in the walking dead scene 95-99% op the people die , so thats a lame reason not to do jack shit .
Every survivor is precious to this world
Omg I'm not going to talk about the first point because I addressed it on my post. As I said, my IFS are legitimate and will happen under th… moree said circumstances. How is Jane an unstable psycho that is looking for a reason to kill? When Jane killed Vitali, she was shocked. She never killed anyone who didn't wrong her in a way, she even said when she killed Vitali that it didn't feel right even though he is a bad guy. I'm not saying Carver didn't deserve the beating, it's just that after 3 hits Carver was dead and Kenny was beating on a corpse aka wasting the groups precious time that could've been used to escape and prevent Carlos's death and Nick's death. The only reason Arvo ran is because Kenny kept abusing him and brutally beating him. Ofcourse he'd try to run away -_- So basically Kenny caused Luke's death indirectly.
Your arguments are invalid...
Kenny was acting like dictator and that caused the group to fall appart. After Luke died, they had no reason to stay together anymore and listen to Kennys crap. So yes, Kenny is the reason group split in half and Clem got shot.
Jane went to look for the others, sure. But why didn't Kenny? Oh I dunno, maybe cause his lover was killed a few hours ago and he was in mou… morerning or wanting to be beside her in her final moments. Nah, that can't be it.
Saying he is the reason Clem got shot is the biggest pile of bullshit I have ever heard. That was out of his control. Well, I tell a lie, it was in his control but he was getting cock blocked by people who "care about human beings". He could of shot Arvo and NONE of this would of happened. As for splitting the group, that was their own call, they wanted to save that Ruskie fucker and leave the rest.
That's the point? So basically you let Kenny kill Jane and take you to Wellington " Just to redeem himself " Then he can die in peace? That's just a waste of lives. Wellington is a bell that attracts everything, from bandits to walkers. Also how do you know they have formula? Howes had formula for the baby. You do not know what Wellington is, it could be a group that kills humans and eats their meat. Its better to stay with Jane in a place you know and a place where nobody is there.
What the hell? Not surprising coming for me? I'm being realistic here, Kenny would not feel anything after he dies so why does it matter if he wants to feel happy before he dies? -_-
If you stay in Wellington: Kenny stays outside which is basically a death sentence
That's the point. He finally brings Clem and AJ t… moreo safety and redeems himself for his past failures. He can now die happy knowing he succeeded his mission. How are you not understanding this?
Howe's ending is happier in your opinion but objectively, completely ignoring the Jane and Kenny conflict, Wellington is the best place for Clem and AJ.
Also, if Kenny wanted to be put out of his misery he'd do it himself, putting him down like a dog because he's suffering is no justification for murder, especially if he didn't ask you to do it in the first place.
... Who cares what he feels before he dies, after he dies none of his "feelings" would matter.
Not surprising coming from you.
Rusing a broken man for the purpose of killing him to prove a point is apparently not a waste of life? Heading to one location and then turning back after losing lives is apparently not a waste of life?
I like how you only apply the dangers to Wellington and not Howes. Howes is just as attractive for bandits as Wellington. Do you want to know the difference between the two? Wellington is a fortified fortress in the middle of nowhere armed by guards. It's walls are huge and supported by crates. Howes is a hardware story with a lot of entrances and a lot of windows, even fully defended it had a lot of weakspots but now it has almost no guards and no defences. At least Wellington will be able to put up a fight and probably win.
Considering their community gives out essentials to travellers when they could easily say "fuck off" and point a gun, tells me that their people are fair and just. If they were cannibals they wouldn't turn food away, i'm sure they'd prefer to eat outsiders as opposed to their own.
That's the point? So basically you let Kenny kill Jane and take you to Wellington " Just to redeem himself " Then he can die in peace? That'… mores just a waste of lives. Wellington is a bell that attracts everything, from bandits to walkers. Also how do you know they have formula? Howes had formula for the baby. You do not know what Wellington is, it could be a group that kills humans and eats their meat. Its better to stay with Jane in a place you know and a place where nobody is there.
What the hell? Not surprising coming for me? I'm being realistic here, Kenny would not feel anything after he dies so why does it matter if he wants to feel happy before he dies? -_-
You embarrassed me Clementine (by voicing any disagreement with Kenny's plan! WTF?).
He's not exactly friendly after people shoot down his 'let's attack the guards as soon as they open the truck doors' plan.
I will admit that it was more explicit in season one - something like "You didn't help me with Larry - so fuck you and Clementine" - where as in this season it's just sort of a fact of life, but isn't said in so many words.
How are you able to write that much? The most my comment can fit is about a fifth of what you wrote. Is there some requirement you have to meet to not have a character limit?
* Jane didn't get them out of Carvers camp, it was a team effort. Kenny suggested attracting walkers, Mike and Rebecca mentioned speakers an… mored the controls, Clem and Luke worked on the radios, hell, even Alvin (a determinent) had a role in it. Jane did do an important thing, she told them about walker guts, and all credits go to her for that, but she didn't do it alone, she said it herself, she never had the people to do it.Carvers camp isn't all that bad. It had safety, food, supplies and people, everything you need to survive. Hell, if the group wasn't so stubborn and actually gave that place a chance, maybe thing would have turned out happier and better And Carver wouldn't rape anyone, and he wouldn't torture them if they didn't do stupid things
* Making Troy a distraction isn't smart, its sick and disgusting ( more so than what Kenny did to Carver, okay, maybe not but whateves ). She didn't have to shoot him in the dick, she could have… [view original content]
* I don't think it was a "calm expresion" it was more of a "be prepared expresion". She counts on Kenny exploding the way he did (everyone e… morexpected that).
* In season 1 you fight with Kenny and he always calm down at some point, i'm not saying he couldn't kill her with his bare hands, but at the moment she uses the knife Kenny probably thought she wanted to really kill him. I mean im not justyfing Ken actions but in a fight when someone uses a knife you know shit just got real.
* When you try to separate them, and tell Jane to run, she say something like "No way" as well as Kenny does, so at this point the two of them want to fight to the death.
So as you can see here thats your opinion, and this is mine.
1: Sure it was team effort, but Jane's idea is what made the plan.
2: However Kenny killed Carver out of anger, Jane killed Troy because … moresmart. I don't find it disgusting? He did deserve it after all, so I don't know what your talking about. Making him a screaming dinnerbell causes him to be ultimate distraction for the walkers. Plus she did it for the groups sake, unlike Kenny.
3: ... She did help Rebecca and Clementine. If you didn't realize there was no exits from the walker hoard and her cow catcher trick was the only thing that would've got them out of there. Plus she did want to help them, she told them to not stay close together so the walkers don't recognize them, then she saw that Rebecca was scared so she helped her.
4: Actually, someone needed to stay with Rebecca. Kenny couldn't stay with her. So either Bonnie or Mike had to stay with her. So only 1 person could try to find Sarah and Luke. And let me tell you they wouldn'… [view original content]
I cant really see how Kenny fans dont understand why she did it...
She did it because she knew that they were going to seperate, and she wanted to win Clem on her side.
You say its manipulative, i say it was clever way to show what Kenny has become.
Only reason you wouldnt want to shoot Kenny and allow him murder innocent girl, is because you have been bros with him since season 1, which is stupid reason. If Kenny was new character in season 2, no one would want to let him live.
How can you justify janes actions lol oh i know how #Jane Lover
Seriously if the dumb woman didnt start the shit in the first place it wo… moreuld not have come to anything
but not only by making a stupid decision to lie but she put clem in the middle of it she got herself stabbed
well in my game anyway im not a kenny basher but logically why would you lie to prove a point that could have been prevented to begin with??? jane was very manipulative fuck that im not listening to her brainwash mumbo jumbo makes me laugh watching fanboys argue why not just be happy with your fucking decision and leave it at that!
When did Jane talk of killing Alvie?
I don't remember her doing so.
And I agree with you.
Kenny did more for Clem and the group, than Jane did.
Who got beat nearly to death, for trying to protect Clementine?
Kenny!
Who trusted her with the important task of getting them a radio?
Kenny!
Who constantly fretted over Clementine's wellbeing?
Kenny!
Who took care of Alvie most of the time, after Rebecca died?
Kenny!
Who decided on what the baby's name should be?
Kenny!
Who fixed up the truck, while everyone else sat on their asses?
Kenny!
Who refused to give up hope of something better than hiding and trying to survive from day-to-day?
Kenny!
Jane was a psycho, have you seen the looks she has when Clementine is with Kenny.
Jane is traumatised and wants a sis 2.0 in Clem no matter… more what the costs.
Jane: When someone is traumatised/depressed just leave them TO DIE because of her sister and now everybody is the same
She has no problem with killing AJ(she talked about is a few times).
And who abandoned the group , Jane.
I think she'll walk out on Clem if she doesn't do exactly what she wants.
Kenny fixing the car and kicking it because it didn't work was the reason for "see that look/killl/Carver2.0/bla bla bla"speech.
I didn't see anything that Kenny did that was wrong: He asked Clem to leave when he took care of Carver
He got his head punched in so that Clem wouldn't get beaten
Seas1 ep 5 he risked his life(Christa/Ben) so that everyone didn't even knew if he would come back in Seas2 cause he was almost certainly dead
Jane:
Leave Sara, leave Kenny, and then Jane LEFT!!!
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Let me repeat she did not try to kill him at first, she just wanted to show Clem how he'd react if Clem ever lost the baby. Okay going to this magical Wellington that could be a freaking rumor and losing lives on the way is not a waste of life? They knew where Howe's was and they knew it had supplies. Plus it was Kennys idea to go to Wellington anyway.
Okay maybe you are right about this part but there is no time to become a "kid" in the zombie apocalypse. What if a HUGE ASS herd of walkers come to Wellington and take it down? People wouldn't know how to defend themselves because they forgot all about survival. Staying with Jane increases your chances of living, I mean who wouldn't want to stay with a hardcore survivalist? Also they said Howes wasnt a temporary soloution for them. They werent gonna stay there forever.
Rusing a broken man for the purpose of killing him to prove a point is apparently not a waste of life? Heading to one location and then turn… moreing back after losing lives is apparently not a waste of life?
I like how you only apply the dangers to Wellington and not Howes. Howes is just as attractive for bandits as Wellington. Do you want to know the difference between the two? Wellington is a fortified fortress in the middle of nowhere armed by guards. It's walls are huge and supported by crates. Howes is a hardware story with a lot of entrances and a lot of windows, even fully defended it had a lot of weakspots but now it has almost no guards and no defences. At least Wellington will be able to put up a fight and probably win.
Considering their community gives out essentials to travellers when they could easily say "fuck off" and point a gun, tells me that their people are fair and just. If they were cannibals they wouldn't turn food away, i'm sure they'd prefer to eat outsiders as opposed to their own.
Well even before the scene, i knew something had to be done to kenny, either leave him behind or even kill. I just knew it had to be done and as soon as she came there without the baby, and Kenny was walking back inside, after that look on his face, i knew that i would have to kill him. How exactly was she manipulating me, if i knew what she was doing all along? She killed some random russian guy and got shocked. How do you think she could kill a baby and not get emotional?
She knew that they would have to go seperate ways, and she wanted to win Clem on her side, thats why she didnt back down on the fight. Kenny didnt back down because he just wanted to kill her.
I knew right from start that she didnt kill/leave the baby to die
You knew Jane had manipulated the whole situation and you were sti… morell fine with putting a bullet in Kenny? You realized she was trying to break a grieving man and you were okay with that? Poor Kenny.
How are you able to write that much? The most my comment can fit is about a fifth of what you wrote. Is there some requirement you have to meet to not have a character limit?
Because walkers don't just stay in one place, they move north always as seen in the TV show. It wasn't a bigger risk, Wellington was a bigger risk since they didn't even know if it exists or not. In the end, Wellington was full. They didn't accept new members except for Clem and the baby. So what if the whole cabin crew were alive and listened to Kenny and went to Wellington? They sure as hell would be mad at Kenny and would kick him out of the group.
If you noticed in my comment, I did mention that Jane did do some good things.
However, her leaving Alvie in a frigid car, just so she could proceed with her own agenda, was extremely selfish, as it put Alvie in danger of freezing to death.
And if she just wanted to prove Kenny as unstable, she could've said Alvie was fine.
But she didn't!
She wanted to fight.
She wanted to kill Kenny.
And all just to prove some stupid point, and have Clementine all to herself.
That's what I call selfish.
And Kenny showed what he really was, at Wellington.
Kenny loved those kids so much, and wanted to ensure their safety so badly, that he was willing to give them up, if tarts what it took.
That showed what kind of person Kenny really was.
Jane:
* She got them out of Carvers lair, you all know how bad that place is and if they stayed any longer Carver could've killed anoth… moreer member, raped, tortured? So she basically saved some lives here
* She killed Troy while he had the group at gunpoint. Nobody else had a gun... Also she was smart enough to make Troy a dinnerbell ( Distraction ) to make their escape easier.
* She saved Rebecca and Clementine from the herd.
* She saved Sarah and Luke from the trailer park, nobody else would've gone out looking for them. She did wanna save Sarah but she knew Sarah wasn't gonna make it. Also when Clementine tries to get Sarah out she tells Clementine to come out because if she stays any longer she could've died with Sarah (She saves Clem 3 times now)
* She found the observation deck which saved a couple lives
* She protected Clem from Arvo, what if Jane wasn't there and Arvo saw Clem? Who knows what would've happend then.
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From Janes perspective, Kenny was very unstable and she knew that when they are going to seperate, Clem wouldnt come with her if she just asked, so she had to show how Kenny would act on situations like that, and hoping it would convince Clem to follow Jane instead.
And the baby wasnt really at any risk anyway. You can see that one scene before rest stop, where Clem walks around walkers, and they are just standing still (because they got too cold). So obviously walkers couldnt get to the baby and it was safe inside the car anyway.
ps. Jane was the one who ran back to the ice to save Clem if she fell through the ice, and was trying to light the fire while Kenny was busy beating the russian kid. If walking on thin ice to save a friend isnt risking her life, then nothing is.
Even if people dont agree with Jane after seeing her Plan, i still dont think se deserves to die for that. In that moment, when you are holding the gun and kenny is trying to overpower Jane, Kenny deserves to die more than Jane.
i knew i had to put him down.
Kenny isn't a dog that you put down when you feel like it's feeling sick. This was literally 2-3 days … moreafter Sarita, his emotional anchor, got killed. He wasn't turning into a Carver 2.0, he was still fucking grieving from his loss.
I like how you call Kenny the irrational one. Apparently risking a babies life so you can prove that taking a man's last hope makes him mad is rational. Not only that but Jane goes in for a kill without ever mentioning AJ's real faith. What a smart woman, she was so perfect at surviving the zombie apocalypse she rused a frail, malnourished, one eyed man and still lost.
Kenny pointed out there was no point living in a world like the walking dead universe. It's why he was so attached to AJ. He was Kenny's beacon of light in a dark dark world and he made it his mission to raise the child. This is why I stuck with Kenny, he is dangerous to strangers and enemies but a hero to the ones he cares about. He would risk his life for you, Jane wouldn't.
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No, you aren't. He dies with the knowledge that he couldn't save AJ, just like he couldn't save Sarita or his family. I can only imagine the feelings of absolute hopeless he must feel thinking that he failed everyone he ever cared about.
Wellington is the better choice for Kenny. He sacrifices himself to finally succeed. He redeems himself and can die in peace.
That's exactly why she brought out a knife.
Feel free to give an example of this in season 2, preferably related to Clem.
Sorry havn't killed Kenny yet so don't know what you're talking about.
Kenny wrote himself out so that Clem and AJ could stay in Wellington and he would try to survive alone, and its your choise if you stay in wellington (don't know why it couldn't just be AJ that you could leave as a choise to give him a chance)
She didn't even try to help Sarah just "leave her TO DIE"
"And Kenny was in no way Clementine's family. In my play through..."
There
She didn't even try to help sarah, just leave her to DIE nothing more
It's not even his baby -_- He just wants a duck number 2.0. Also humans make mistakes, Jane wanted to show Clem how Kenny'd react if the baby died. You missed my point. If Clem accidently kills the baby, Kenny will kill her. Kenny is evil and everyone knows it. Kenny didn't do anything to Jane? He got Luke killed, he caused the group to break up, he started talking shit about her ( Your just a fucking loner that cares about nobody, nobody cares about you. ). Kenny wouldn't have killed Arvo on spot. Also at that time all we knew about Arvo is that he has a sick sister and that he was trying to hide meds, why the hell would Jane have killed him? She didn't try to leave Sarah but Sarah wasn't cooperating so what was she suppose to do? Also Jane predicted Sarah's death and knew she would die. As I repeat she saved the group multiple times ( so basically she saved Clems friends ) She does care about the group and she just tried to leave Sarah because Sarah wouldn't cooperate ( Luke tried to get her out for HOURS ). Howes was responsible for lots of deaths, thats why Jane tried to leave the place as soon as possible. As Jane said the plan was GOOD but the execution part was messy. Sure Carlos and Nick died because they got shot but it was better to escape the place sooner then later, who knows what Carver would've done to them if they stayed any longer... Torture them? Rape them? Kill them?
Yeah, easiest choice in the entire season.
Who cares that the whelp died?
... Who cares what he feels before he dies, after he dies none of his "feelings" would matter. Wellington is not the better ending, the hell would you save Kenny then go to Wellington where
If you stay in Wellington: Kenny stays outside which is basically a death sentence
If you leave with Kenny: Its a death sentence for you all, plus the baby doesn't have any formula so he's the first one who's gonna die.
The Howe's ending is happier for Clem, AJ, Jane, and even Kenny ( You finally put him out of his misery ).
Not the first time they killed Kenny.
Read my post, I addressed that.
And how would you feel if someone you knew accidently(thats what they tell you) killed a baby you love and see him as the future.
He didn't do shit to Clem and helped her outeven when the choises were really hard to make.
So your IF this and IF that won't help because we could IF just as much it didn't happen what you said.
If Clem is stressed or depressed at the wrong time Jane would leave Clem as a post traumatic stress symptom because of what happened with her sister
Clem also asked Jane if she gets scared would Jane write her off ?? And i think she had a point
She didn't even try with Sarah, and Clem got trough. So if if if won't cut it here.
IF Carver bla , yeah right we could do this all day IF Lee bit/ate Clem in ep 5 seas 1 seas 2 would be a left 4 dead where you play the zombie
If if, Molly would have killed Jane because Jane is an unstable psycho that is looking for a reason to kill.
Carver deserved to die thats certain because of Alvin and all the others that died sarah would have been safe because luke would be able to push her through the sky window on the roof, kenny with Arvo(who shot Clem) was a bit over the top but luke just died because arvo run away
Sure I'd get mad but she said it was an accident. He tries to brutally murder her for an accident. He did do shit to Clem and put her in danger a couple of times. Kenny is the reason Lee dies! When Lee dies Clem is all alone, do you know that Clem could've died? He also gave her the radio and if Kenny wasn't there then Carver would've bashed Clementines head in. My "IFS" are legitimate which would happen under the said circumstances. If Clem is stressed or depressed Jane would leave her? Lol, you make me laugh. Jane didn't leave her sister in cold blood. Jane and her sister were cornered on a roof by walkers. Jane couldn't throw her sister on the other building. Jane couldn't do anything to save her sister so Jane just jumped on the other building and left her sister BUT ONLY because she couldn't do anything to help her sister. Clem had a point when she asked Jane if she'd ever leave her if she's scared but Jane said she wouldn't have to since she knows Clem isn't Sarah. Clem has been through too much shit and she is hardened emotionally and Jane knows that.
you adressed that but in the walking dead scene 95-99% op the people die , so thats a lame reason not to do jack shit .
Every survivor is precious to this world
I saw it coming but that is not the point, Jane didn't even try
That's the point. He finally brings Clem and AJ to safety and redeems himself for his past failures. He can now die happy knowing he succeeded his mission. How are you not understanding this?
Howe's ending is happier in your opinion but objectively, completely ignoring the Jane and Kenny conflict, Wellington is the best place for Clem and AJ.
Also, if Kenny wanted to be put out of his misery he'd do it himself, putting him down like a dog because he's suffering is no justification for murder, especially if he didn't ask you to do it in the first place.
Not surprising coming from you.
All of episode 4. There's one example for you.
Omg I'm not going to talk about the first point because I addressed it on my post. As I said, my IFS are legitimate and will happen under the said circumstances. How is Jane an unstable psycho that is looking for a reason to kill? When Jane killed Vitali, she was shocked. She never killed anyone who didn't wrong her in a way, she even said when she killed Vitali that it didn't feel right even though he is a bad guy. I'm not saying Carver didn't deserve the beating, it's just that after 3 hits Carver was dead and Kenny was beating on a corpse aka wasting the groups precious time that could've been used to escape and prevent Carlos's death and Nick's death. The only reason Arvo ran is because Kenny kept abusing him and brutally beating him. Ofcourse he'd try to run away -_- So basically Kenny caused Luke's death indirectly.
Your arguments are invalid...
Kenny the reason Lee dies? No that was Clem believing a stranger and Lee trying to save her and got bitten outside the yard.
And if kenny wasn't there , but he was and didn't hesitate to take all the blame...
What a Jane defense squad we have here
Excuse me? If you think Sarah was a precious survivor then you are terribley mistaken. She was sheltered from the apocalypse and couldn't have survived. She was actually a burden and a heavy one. I'm not hating on Sarah but I'm just saying that she was a heavy burden and didn't help the group in any way
Arvo "Whe are here to rob you... " what a sweet boy he was....
He robs you even if you don't take his stuff... so sweet.... NOT
Kenny was acting like dictator and that caused the group to fall appart. After Luke died, they had no reason to stay together anymore and listen to Kennys crap. So yes, Kenny is the reason group split in half and Clem got shot.
That's the point? So basically you let Kenny kill Jane and take you to Wellington " Just to redeem himself " Then he can die in peace? That's just a waste of lives. Wellington is a bell that attracts everything, from bandits to walkers. Also how do you know they have formula? Howes had formula for the baby. You do not know what Wellington is, it could be a group that kills humans and eats their meat. Its better to stay with Jane in a place you know and a place where nobody is there.
What the hell? Not surprising coming for me? I'm being realistic here, Kenny would not feel anything after he dies so why does it matter if he wants to feel happy before he dies? -_-
Rusing a broken man for the purpose of killing him to prove a point is apparently not a waste of life? Heading to one location and then turning back after losing lives is apparently not a waste of life?
I like how you only apply the dangers to Wellington and not Howes. Howes is just as attractive for bandits as Wellington. Do you want to know the difference between the two? Wellington is a fortified fortress in the middle of nowhere armed by guards. It's walls are huge and supported by crates. Howes is a hardware story with a lot of entrances and a lot of windows, even fully defended it had a lot of weakspots but now it has almost no guards and no defences. At least Wellington will be able to put up a fight and probably win.
Considering their community gives out essentials to travellers when they could easily say "fuck off" and point a gun, tells me that their people are fair and just. If they were cannibals they wouldn't turn food away, i'm sure they'd prefer to eat outsiders as opposed to their own.
It's my truck - fuck you all!
You embarrassed me Clementine (by voicing any disagreement with Kenny's plan! WTF?).
He's not exactly friendly after people shoot down his 'let's attack the guards as soon as they open the truck doors' plan.
I will admit that it was more explicit in season one - something like "You didn't help me with Larry - so fuck you and Clementine" - where as in this season it's just sort of a fact of life, but isn't said in so many words.
Here?!
How are you able to write that much? The most my comment can fit is about a fifth of what you wrote. Is there some requirement you have to meet to not have a character limit?
No
I cant really see how Kenny fans dont understand why she did it...
She did it because she knew that they were going to seperate, and she wanted to win Clem on her side.
You say its manipulative, i say it was clever way to show what Kenny has become.
Only reason you wouldnt want to shoot Kenny and allow him murder innocent girl, is because you have been bros with him since season 1, which is stupid reason. If Kenny was new character in season 2, no one would want to let him live.
When did Jane talk of killing Alvie?
I don't remember her doing so.
And I agree with you.
Kenny did more for Clem and the group, than Jane did.
Who got beat nearly to death, for trying to protect Clementine?
Kenny!
Who trusted her with the important task of getting them a radio?
Kenny!
Who constantly fretted over Clementine's wellbeing?
Kenny!
Who took care of Alvie most of the time, after Rebecca died?
Kenny!
Who decided on what the baby's name should be?
Kenny!
Who fixed up the truck, while everyone else sat on their asses?
Kenny!
Who refused to give up hope of something better than hiding and trying to survive from day-to-day?
Kenny!
Let me repeat she did not try to kill him at first, she just wanted to show Clem how he'd react if Clem ever lost the baby. Okay going to this magical Wellington that could be a freaking rumor and losing lives on the way is not a waste of life? They knew where Howe's was and they knew it had supplies. Plus it was Kennys idea to go to Wellington anyway.
Okay maybe you are right about this part but there is no time to become a "kid" in the zombie apocalypse. What if a HUGE ASS herd of walkers come to Wellington and take it down? People wouldn't know how to defend themselves because they forgot all about survival. Staying with Jane increases your chances of living, I mean who wouldn't want to stay with a hardcore survivalist? Also they said Howes wasnt a temporary soloution for them. They werent gonna stay there forever.
Well even before the scene, i knew something had to be done to kenny, either leave him behind or even kill. I just knew it had to be done and as soon as she came there without the baby, and Kenny was walking back inside, after that look on his face, i knew that i would have to kill him. How exactly was she manipulating me, if i knew what she was doing all along? She killed some random russian guy and got shocked. How do you think she could kill a baby and not get emotional?
She knew that they would have to go seperate ways, and she wanted to win Clem on her side, thats why she didnt back down on the fight. Kenny didnt back down because he just wanted to kill her.
That seems quite strange...
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Because walkers don't just stay in one place, they move north always as seen in the TV show. It wasn't a bigger risk, Wellington was a bigger risk since they didn't even know if it exists or not. In the end, Wellington was full. They didn't accept new members except for Clem and the baby. So what if the whole cabin crew were alive and listened to Kenny and went to Wellington? They sure as hell would be mad at Kenny and would kick him out of the group.
If you noticed in my comment, I did mention that Jane did do some good things.
However, her leaving Alvie in a frigid car, just so she could proceed with her own agenda, was extremely selfish, as it put Alvie in danger of freezing to death.
And if she just wanted to prove Kenny as unstable, she could've said Alvie was fine.
But she didn't!
She wanted to fight.
She wanted to kill Kenny.
And all just to prove some stupid point, and have Clementine all to herself.
That's what I call selfish.
And Kenny showed what he really was, at Wellington.
Kenny loved those kids so much, and wanted to ensure their safety so badly, that he was willing to give them up, if tarts what it took.
That showed what kind of person Kenny really was.
From Janes perspective, Kenny was very unstable and she knew that when they are going to seperate, Clem wouldnt come with her if she just asked, so she had to show how Kenny would act on situations like that, and hoping it would convince Clem to follow Jane instead.
And the baby wasnt really at any risk anyway. You can see that one scene before rest stop, where Clem walks around walkers, and they are just standing still (because they got too cold). So obviously walkers couldnt get to the baby and it was safe inside the car anyway.
ps. Jane was the one who ran back to the ice to save Clem if she fell through the ice, and was trying to light the fire while Kenny was busy beating the russian kid. If walking on thin ice to save a friend isnt risking her life, then nothing is.
Even if people dont agree with Jane after seeing her Plan, i still dont think se deserves to die for that. In that moment, when you are holding the gun and kenny is trying to overpower Jane, Kenny deserves to die more than Jane.