Trustworthy is highly debateable considering how the fight started, but I respect your opinion nevertheless. If I may ask though, was she your favourite character in the whole of Walking Dead, or just against Kenny?
I think it's great that our experience of the end can be so extremely similar: Favourite character Vs. Least favourite character.
Yet be … moreso completely opposite, as in does the game actually expect me to choose psycho-Kenny over this capable and trustworthy girl?
Kenny didn't take the supplies with malicious intent.
He did to feed his family.
He didn't intentionally mean to hurt another family.
He … morewas just looking out for his own.
Can't blame a man for doing that!
And as the head of his family, that's his job.
A husband is supposed to take care of his family.
As the head of his household, that is his primary responsibility.
To provide for them physically, mentally, emotionally, and materially.
You'll learn that if you're ever married and have a family.
And as far as the car, there was no way to prove whether it was abandoned or not.
The moment Kenny started beating Arvo again for no fucking reason, Mike and possibly Bonnie decided to leave Kenny behind. Kenny treated Arvo so badly, that rest of the group saw him as lesser evil than Kenny.
Kenny has always been an asshole, and he was slowly turning into Carver. Thats why Jane had to convince Clem to leave Kenny and come with her instead.
So the plan was to walk north another day and then turn around? I don't think Kenny would have agreed to that plan. That's why Kenny freaked… more out because they had a plan and then Luke died and everyone decided they wanted to do something else. They panicked and that's understandable but the plan wasn't just get to wellington. It was to go north because it's cold and walkers are slower which turned out to be true. Everyone wanted a new plan because they were scared and I would be too. I agree they needed a new plan but acting like Kenny was trying to break up the group just isn't true. They let the group fall apart but Kenny even agrees that they need to stay together and asks Clem to help him convince everybody to get on board. Plus after Clem is shot Jane and Kenny drive a few hours north and are now low on gas but Jane's plan is to just go back the way they have been driving for the whole time Clem was knocked out??? Counter productive at th… [view original content]
How the hell is Kenny suppose to foresee that deal with the stranger?
Because there was no way to tell if the car was actually abandoned or not.
And they were in a very desperate situation, after being attacked by the St Johns'.
Food was scarce in the area.
And Macon was tapped.
So it's not like they had a lot of options.
And as far as having no business yelling at a kid, why do you think he apologized?
Cause he knew it was wrong, and he was wrong for doing so.
And he did what a real man does, and he apologized for his wrongful behavior.
Kenny stole the supplies, thus making the stranger kidnap the clementine. Lee got bit while he tried to get clems radio. If Clem hadn't been… more kidnapped in the first place, she wouldn't have dropped the radio thus Lee wouldnt have been bit.
Kenny caused the deaths of Walt and Alvin, and he admits it too. Whether Kenny shoots Carver or not is up to the player? Yes, Kenny asks Clem what she thinks is right however he should know better than to ask a 10 year old to shoot someone or not. Plus if you decide not to go find Kenny, Kenny will shoot Carver and will get both Walt and Alvin killed.
Kenny decided to beat on Carvers corpse thus wasting the groups precious time. If Kenny just shot Carver in the head and left Howes immediatly, maybe then the "thugs" wouldnt have shot neither nick or carlos.
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Trustworthy is highly debateable considering how the fight started, but I respect your opinion nevertheless. If I may ask though, was she your favourite character in the whole of Walking Dead, or just against Kenny?
* I can safely assume so.
* She didnt back off because she said so right in the begining. She told Kenny that baby was dead, and Kenny Draw… more his own conclusions and after that, there was no way to talk sense to him. (we all know once Kenny decides something, its pretty much impossible to change his mind)
Why would Jane want to kill Kenny? Even she says that she wanted to leave Kenny behind, she had no reason to kill him.
Again I am a big kenny fan! I shot him. You are still saying every Kenny fan is irrational when I'm trying to be rational and I fucking shot him. Not every fan is one thing. This is why I called you a troll before and youre just proving me right!!
**AGAIN! **
Huge Kenny fan here!!
**Shot Kenny! **
I saved Jane and left alone but I saved her based on my feelings.
Open your mind or shut your mouth.
Bye I'm done and no longer care to talk with someone so rude. Enjoy your day
I dont have problem with people picking kenny. I have problem when people try to justify Kenny killing Jane.
Every Kenny fan is irrational,… more simply for the fact that Kenny is unstable, and Jane has proved to be more efficient survivor. Jane is only rational decision, Kenny is chosen based on feelings. Thats my point.
The items in the car were new and the car was on and the car didn't look dirty. He knew but he stole the items anyway because he doesn't care about the other family.
I did mention that he apologized, but screaming at a child proves that he's unstable.
How the hell is Kenny suppose to foresee that deal with the stranger?
Because there was no way to tell if the car was actually abandoned or… more not.
And they were in a very desperate situation, after being attacked by the St Johns'.
Food was scarce in the area.
And Macon was tapped.
So it's not like they had a lot of options.
And as far as having no business yelling at a kid, why do you think he apologized?
Cause he knew it was wrong, and he was wrong for doing so.
And he did what a real man does, and he apologized for his wrongful behavior.
Like i said, every Kenny fan is irrational. You leave a girl behind, who increases your chances of survival. That if something is irrational thing to do. I was not only agreeing with her actions, i realized that i needed her in order to stay alive. 11 years old girl with a baby isnt optimal settings for surviving zombie apocalypse.
Alone ending is pretty stupid also... Walking through herd of walkers, with ticking time bomb in your hands, which could start crying at any moment and kill you both.
Again I am a big kenny fan! I shot him. You are still saying every Kenny fan is irrational when I'm trying to be rational and I fucking shot… more him. Not every fan is one thing. This is why I called you a troll before and youre just proving me right!!
**AGAIN! **
Huge Kenny fan here!!
**Shot Kenny! **
I saved Jane and left alone but I saved her based on my feelings.
Open your mind or shut your mouth.
Bye I'm done and no longer care to talk with someone so rude. Enjoy your day
I think the best thing that could have happened in that situation was for someone - perhaps Clementine - to say:
Okay! Cool it guys! Everyone is cold, and hurt, and scared. Let's just have one quiet night, and we can discuss things in the morning.
As far as blaming Kenny for breaking the group apart. I don't think it was his intention to break it apart, but it was his actions that lead to it. His needless violence towards Arvo (before and after the lake thing), and his various outbursts towards the others in the group.
So the plan was to walk north another day and then turn around? I don't think Kenny would have agreed to that plan. That's why Kenny freaked… more out because they had a plan and then Luke died and everyone decided they wanted to do something else. They panicked and that's understandable but the plan wasn't just get to wellington. It was to go north because it's cold and walkers are slower which turned out to be true. Everyone wanted a new plan because they were scared and I would be too. I agree they needed a new plan but acting like Kenny was trying to break up the group just isn't true. They let the group fall apart but Kenny even agrees that they need to stay together and asks Clem to help him convince everybody to get on board. Plus after Clem is shot Jane and Kenny drive a few hours north and are now low on gas but Jane's plan is to just go back the way they have been driving for the whole time Clem was knocked out??? Counter productive at th… [view original content]
True, Jane did amount a lot of screen time in 2 and a half episodes of appearances. (BTW, I never count Lee and Clem in any fav list's because I think it's unfair). What about Kenny though? May you still have the moment, is he actually your LEAST favourite character?
I'd pick Jane over anyone but Lee and Clem I think...
But it's hardly fair, since she was the only character in season 2 (besides arguabl… morey Kenny) to undergo any sort of progression or arc.
And yeah - I get the whole trustworthy thing for some people, I did just want to hit it on the nose :P
I think the best thing that could have happened in that situation was for someone - perhaps Clementine - to say:
Okay! Cool it guys! Ever… moreyone is cold, and hurt, and scared. Let's just have one quiet night, and we can discuss things in the morning.
As far as blaming Kenny for breaking the group apart. I don't think it was his intention to break it apart, but it was his actions that lead to it. His needless violence towards Arvo (before and after the lake thing), and his various outbursts towards the others in the group.
Like i said, every Kenny fan is irrational. You leave a girl behind, who increases your chances of survival. That if something is irrational… more thing to do. I was not only agreeing with her actions, i realized that i needed her in order to stay alive. 11 years old girl with a baby isnt optimal settings for surviving zombie apocalypse.
Alone ending is pretty stupid also... Walking through herd of walkers, with ticking time bomb in your hands, which could start crying at any moment and kill you both.
you are 1000000% correct. Hey everyone this opinion is the one true opinion that will rule all other opinions from now on. So says queen Jane!
Later crazy alligator
I hated him in season 1 - but that was sort of a good thing, if you know what I mean. It was in story. Sort of "God dammit Kenny". He wasn't my least favourite character in season 1, though he was Lee's least favourite member of the group.
In season 2 though, I just hated that Kenny was here. I hated that it was played like "Oh Clem and Kenny are just such friends... Hahaha - remember that time I left you to die? Oh hoho, good times". It was like season 1 didn't matter at all. Since episode 2 of season 2 I think I restarted the game around 10 times, because I chose an option that seemed good, but ended up having Clem saying something that supported Kenny - in even the slightest way. It really limited my playing of the season, and I would have much preferred if Kenny has simply been replaced by Patrick or some other new character.
I was so happy when Kenny finally left the group in season 1, and I was equally unhappy when he showed back up in season 2.
I don't know if this makes sense. It will probably be seen as blind hate by some (and to be fair it probably is to some extent), but that's just how I feel about it.
TLDR: I hated Kenny for the right reasons in season 1, I hated Kenny even being here in season 2.
True, Jane did amount a lot of screen time in 2 and a half episodes of appearances. (BTW, I never count Lee and Clem in any fav list's becau… morese I think it's unfair). What about Kenny though? May you still have the moment, is he actually your LEAST favourite character?
Who wouldn't be unstable, after seeing everyone they've ever cared about die?
And as far as not caring about the other family, if that was truly Kenny's attitude about others, then he wouldn't have fended off the walkers, while Lee worked at getting Ben's teacher out of the bear trap.
Nor have been disgusted by Larry saying they should've just left Ben and his teacher/classmate to die.
Nor have been upset when katja was unable to save the latter.
Nor would he have tried to save Ben, after Ben fell and got impaled by a piece of steel.
Hell, he wouldn't have even come back for Lee, back at the drugstore in season 1 episode 1, after Larry tried to kill Lee.
The items in the car were new and the car was on and the car didn't look dirty. He knew but he stole the items anyway because he doesn't car… moree about the other family.
I did mention that he apologized, but screaming at a child proves that he's unstable.
You said any option other than killing Kenny and going with Jane is wrong! YOU said that. I'm just telling everyone how you figured out the right ending. Or are you willing to say that other opinions besides your own may be the correct choice depending on the people choosing. Because every post you said I'm irrational when nothing I've said has been bad.
Never did I say kenny should kill her slowly or I hate Jane or anything. Look at our discussion. You are being antagonistic so I decided to reply with a smart ass comment.
I haven't attacked your opinions or you but all my opinions are wrong and irrational???
Very interesting. While I disagree with you, I'm glad I could have your insight of the decision. I will admit in season 1, Kenny flip flopped around my favourites chart practically every episode (considering Larry was originally my favourite non-playable character, you can image why). But by the end of season 1, when I thought he died and wasn't coming back. I realised he was the best thing about the game. His actions, heartaches, and determination made me love him.
When he came back in season 2 , however I was heavily against it. Because not did I feel his character was perfect in season 1, but I didn't want him stepping over the new characters. But with In Harm's Way and Amid The Ruins soaring lack of quality, I realised Kenny was the only character left I could like. And by episode 5 and the series pick up, I can honestly say Kenny might just be one of my favourite characters of all time.
I hated him in season 1 - but that was sort of a good thing, if you know what I mean. It was in story. Sort of "God dammit Kenny". He wasn't… more my least favourite character in season 1, though he was Lee's least favourite member of the group.
In season 2 though, I just hated that Kenny was here. I hated that it was played like "Oh Clem and Kenny are just such friends... Hahaha - remember that time I left you to die? Oh hoho, good times". It was like season 1 didn't matter at all. Since episode 2 of season 2 I think I restarted the game around 10 times, because I chose an option that seemed good, but ended up having Clem saying something that supported Kenny - in even the slightest way. It really limited my playing of the season, and I would have much preferred if Kenny has simply been replaced by Patrick or some other new character.
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Very interesting. While I disagree with you, I'm glad I could have your insight of the decision. I will admit in season 1, Kenny flip floppe… mored around my favourites chart practically every episode (considering Larry was originally my favourite non-playable character, you can image why). But by the end of season 1, when I thought he died and wasn't coming back. I realised he was the best thing about the game. His actions, heartaches, and determination made me love him.
When he came back in season 2 , however I was heavily against it. Because not did I feel his character was perfect in season 1, but I didn't want him stepping over the new characters. But with In Harm's Way and Amid The Ruins soaring lack of quality, I realised Kenny was the only character left I could like. And by episode 5 and the series pick up, I can honestly say Kenny might just be one of my favourite characters of all time.
I just thought I'd share that.
All im saying is that based on that situation, Jane is more rational pick. Now i dont say it might be morally superiour or anything like that, but in means of survival, moral values cant have that big role
But sure as hell picking Jane is most rational decision there.
You said any option other than killing Kenny and going with Jane is wrong! YOU said that. I'm just telling everyone how you figured out the … moreright ending. Or are you willing to say that other opinions besides your own may be the correct choice depending on the people choosing. Because every post you said I'm irrational when nothing I've said has been bad.
Never did I say kenny should kill her slowly or I hate Jane or anything. Look at our discussion. You are being antagonistic so I decided to reply with a smart ass comment.
I haven't attacked your opinions or you but all my opinions are wrong and irrational???
All im saying is that based on that situation, Jane is more rational pick. Now i dont say it might be morally superiour or anything like tha… moret, but in means of survival, moral values cant have that big role
But sure as hell picking Jane is most rational decision there.
Well you seem to lack objectivity also. Jane survived this long because her worldview is almost perfect for surviving and she is intelligent. Kenny is alive because writers magically resurrected him.
Again. Im not debating which is right or wrong, because that would imply that i base my decision on moral values.
He would never react to Clem like that because he cares for her and because he'd trust her excuse. He would probably scold her like after Sarita's death but he wouldn't physically hurt her. It would be completely out of character for him. He distrusted Jane and knew of her protest against the baby. He also knows she values her own life over anyone elses. He thought she left the baby to save herself, that isn't out of character for Jane.
What was her genius plan after she rused him then? Instead of informing him of AJ's actual faith she whiped out a knife and turned the fight fatal. The plan was always to kill him because her actions don't suggest the contrary, especially considering she knew how he would react.
As Kenny pointed out, Howe's could of still been full of Carver's people or the herd. It's not like Howe's was a black and white choice, there was risk associated with it too.
(My device has a character limit, this is part 1 of 2)
Let me repeat she did not try to kill him at first, she just wanted to show Clem how he'd react if Clem ever lost the baby. Okay going to th… moreis magical Wellington that could be a freaking rumor and losing lives on the way is not a waste of life? They knew where Howe's was and they knew it had supplies. Plus it was Kennys idea to go to Wellington anyway.
Okay maybe you are right about this part but there is no time to become a "kid" in the zombie apocalypse. What if a HUGE ASS herd of walkers come to Wellington and take it down? People wouldn't know how to defend themselves because they forgot all about survival. Staying with Jane increases your chances of living, I mean who wouldn't want to stay with a hardcore survivalist? Also they said Howes wasnt a temporary soloution for them. They werent gonna stay there forever.
I say neither opinion is wrong and I lack objectivity...okay then.
You are the most opinionated rude person I've talked to on here so please stop posting.
(Before any mod bans me just read through these few posts to see that I was trying to have a reasonable discussion and was met with rude comments and accusations that I'm irrational which if you read my posts that's clearly not the case. Either way I'm done with this thread and this forum. It's not fun anymore when so much hate is here on the forum right now between both sides.)
Well you seem to lack objectivity also. Jane survived this long because her worldview is almost perfect for surviving and she is intelligent… more. Kenny is alive because writers magically resurrected him.
Again. Im not debating which is right or wrong, because that would imply that i base my decision on moral values.
How can you be so sure? Kenny was ready to kill 2 of Clementines friends and what kind of person would trust Kenny after that? Jane was confident that Kenny would turn into Carver, so she had to convince Clem that Kenny is dangerous to be around.
And she took the knife out after she was on ground and Kenny was charging.
Jane was only one that went to safe Clem after she fell through the ice, and was only one caring about getting Clem warm after, while Kenny was busy unleashing his anger on Arvo.
People sayng that Jane doesnt care about Clems life is stupid, because the only reason she came back was Clem (and she happened to save Kennys life when she came back)
Howe's might not have been safe, but it was still better bet than keep going to north because of a story. based on known facts, going back south was better option.
how he'd react if Clem ever lost the baby.
He would never react to Clem like that because he cares for her and because he'd trust he… morer excuse. He would probably scold her like after Sarita's death but he wouldn't physically hurt her. It would be completely out of character for him. He distrusted Jane and knew of her protest against the baby. He also knows she values her own life over anyone elses. He thought she left the baby to save herself, that isn't out of character for Jane.
What was her genius plan after she rused him then? Instead of informing him of AJ's actual faith she whiped out a knife and turned the fight fatal. The plan was always to kill him because her actions don't suggest the contrary, especially considering she knew how he would react.
As Kenny pointed out, Howe's could of still been full of Carver's people or the herd. It's not like Howe's was a black and white choice, there was risk associated with it too.
(My device has a character limit, this is part 1 of 2)
What if a HUGE ASS herd of walkers come to Wellington and take it down?
A few things could happen. If the community is aware of herds by now they could divert the entire herd into a different direction, assuming they scouted them. Rick's companions in the comic pull this off fairly easily. If they are not aware of herds they could funnel zombies in a steady stream and kill them at a steady pace with melee weapons. Considering that they are at overcapacity, they'd have more than enough manpower to do it. When Rick's group did this they had around 30-50 people, a lot of whom did nothing. Another thing they could do is absolutely nothing. Their walls have no windows/apparent weakness and appear strong. Whatever happens, one thing is for sure, Clem and AJ wouldn't be required to help.
Let me repeat she did not try to kill him at first, she just wanted to show Clem how he'd react if Clem ever lost the baby. Okay going to th… moreis magical Wellington that could be a freaking rumor and losing lives on the way is not a waste of life? They knew where Howe's was and they knew it had supplies. Plus it was Kennys idea to go to Wellington anyway.
Okay maybe you are right about this part but there is no time to become a "kid" in the zombie apocalypse. What if a HUGE ASS herd of walkers come to Wellington and take it down? People wouldn't know how to defend themselves because they forgot all about survival. Staying with Jane increases your chances of living, I mean who wouldn't want to stay with a hardcore survivalist? Also they said Howes wasnt a temporary soloution for them. They werent gonna stay there forever.
The problem with you is that you keep bringing moral values to converstation. Moral values are meaningless when talking about objectivity and rationality.
I call you irrational and when i explain my reasoning behind it, you get emotional. Point proven.
I say neither opinion is wrong and I lack objectivity...okay then.
You are the most opinionated rude person I've talked to on here so ple… morease stop posting.
(Before any mod bans me just read through these few posts to see that I was trying to have a reasonable discussion and was met with rude comments and accusations that I'm irrational which if you read my posts that's clearly not the case. Either way I'm done with this thread and this forum. It's not fun anymore when so much hate is here on the forum right now between both sides.)
If the cold is capable of freezing a zombie, what do you think it would do to a baby covered only by a blanket? Babies are especially prone to hypothermia and do you want to know what happens to a baby that is afflicted by it? It goes unusually quiet among other things. If this was real life, the baby wouldn't even alert Kenny and Clem of its existence, and if things played out exactly how it did in the game after the fight, it wouldn't even matter who you chose because the baby would be dead by the time anyone was even alerted it was freezing to death. She definitely risked AJ's life.
She was out to kill Kenny just as much as he was out to kill her. Nobody deserved to die and nobody would have had to die had Jane not rused a broken man by implying she removed his hope. Even after insulting Kenny's dead family, he still tells her to stay in the safety of the car while he gets gas. She responds by contemplating ditching him... She played with fire and got burned, her fault for lighting the fucking flames.
From Janes perspective, Kenny was very unstable and she knew that when they are going to seperate, Clem wouldnt come with her if she just as… moreked, so she had to show how Kenny would act on situations like that, and hoping it would convince Clem to follow Jane instead.
And the baby wasnt really at any risk anyway. You can see that one scene before rest stop, where Clem walks around walkers, and they are just standing still (because they got too cold). So obviously walkers couldnt get to the baby and it was safe inside the car anyway.
ps. Jane was the one who ran back to the ice to save Clem if she fell through the ice, and was trying to light the fire while Kenny was busy beating the russian kid. If walking on thin ice to save a friend isnt risking her life, then nothing is.
Even if people dont agree with Jane after seeing her Plan, i still dont think se deserves to die for that. In that moment, when you are holding the gun and kenny is trying to overpower Jane, Kenny deserves to die more than Jane.
So you're saying that i was safer for the baby to be outside in a blizzard, rather than inside car with windows and everything?
Jane needed to show that side of Kenny to Clem so she would follow her instead. She thought that it was best for Clems safety. Obviously she wasnt thinking straight, because she was emotionally attached to Clem already, so she did stupid thing to protect her.
Kenny on the other hand was just so angry that he was ready to murder another friend of Clems.
Jane gave Kenny opportunity to show what he is capable of, but it escalated into fight to the death. She gave him chance to leave and even told him to "just go", but Kenny clearly wanted to kill her.
If the cold is capable of freezing a zombie, what do you think it would do to a baby covered only by a blanket? Babies are especially prone … moreto hypothermia and do you want to know what happens to a baby that is afflicted by it? It goes unusually quiet among other things. If this was real life, the baby wouldn't even alert Kenny and Clem of its existence, and if things played out exactly how it did in the game after the fight, it wouldn't even matter who you chose because the baby would be dead by the time anyone was even alerted it was freezing to death. She definitely risked AJ's life.
She was out to kill Kenny just as much as he was out to kill her. Nobody deserved to die and nobody would have had to die had Jane not rused a broken man by implying she removed his hope. Even after insulting Kenny's dead family, he still tells her to stay in the safety of the car while he gets gas. She responds by contemplating ditching him... She played with fire and got burned, her fault for lighting the fucking flames.
Jane hid the baby to get Kenny to try to kill her. Her plan was to look innocent as possible so Kenny can look like a murderous psychopath. And Kenny, being the naive and gullible fool he is, just fell for it
Well thats how she lets the Clem know it, and she does seem sincere. Even though she had pretty nasty plot and everything, she was right abo… moreut kenny. If Clem shot Kenny, it just showed that the Clem had finally lost all hopes of Kenny not becoming Carver 2.0, if the Clem however lets Kenny murder Jane, it just shows that Clem doesnt give a shit about other people, just like Kenny, and they deserve eachother.
She needed Clem to see that Kenny is ready to kill someone without hesitation based on emotion. No matter what happened to Jane, if she doesnt win Clementines on her side, she would probably just get depressed and commit suicide, like she says if you abandon her on the road. (Cant handle the loss of her sister and then Clem.)
I get it. You think Jane is best and kenny should die and anyone who disagrees can't be right because god forbid anyone have a different opinion than your own. Please learn people skills IRL because I don't know if its a language barrier thing but you come across very condescending and I hope that's not how you meant it. I see your point about Jane but do not agree with it. That's fine with me because we don't have to agree. I just didn't like that you said all kenny fans were irrational. Making a choice based on feelings isn't irrational. It may not be the most pragmatic way but irrational is defying all reason just because you are angry scared whatever. I hope this makes some sense to you. Sorry for my attitude. I forget that I may be speaking with someone from around the world.
The problem with you is that you keep bringing moral values to converstation. Moral values are meaningless when talking about objectivity an… mored rationality.
I call you irrational and when i explain my reasoning behind it, you get emotional. Point proven.
Bonnie and Mike? Friends? They betrayed not only Kenny but Clementine. If their plan worked out they would have stranded them in the middle of nowhere with no supplies. In times as hard as the apocalypse they were lucky they didn't get shot which yes, they deserved it for leaving Clem and the baby hungry.
No, she dodged his charge and took out her knife. In that same room she slices his stomach... So much for just "testing" him.
"Where there's smoke, there is fire", as always Kenny is once again right and Wellington is in fact there. He took the risk and AJ and Clem get rewarded.
How can you be so sure? Kenny was ready to kill 2 of Clementines friends and what kind of person would trust Kenny after that? Jane was conf… moreident that Kenny would turn into Carver, so she had to convince Clem that Kenny is dangerous to be around.
And she took the knife out after she was on ground and Kenny was charging.
Jane was only one that went to safe Clem after she fell through the ice, and was only one caring about getting Clem warm after, while Kenny was busy unleashing his anger on Arvo.
People sayng that Jane doesnt care about Clems life is stupid, because the only reason she came back was Clem (and she happened to save Kennys life when she came back)
Howe's might not have been safe, but it was still better bet than keep going to north because of a story. based on known facts, going back south was better option.
To be fair the son was lost that's where the family was when supplies were taken and the wife took the daughter and left because she hated her husband for letting their son die. Taking the supplies didn't help but that family was broken before we ever found the car. The stranger just needed someone to blame besides himself. Very common for that to happen when a loved one is lost needlessly partially due to his own actions/choices.
They stole all the supplies from the car and left the Stranger and his family to die. After Strangers family had died, he started talking wi… moreth Clem and eventually kidnapped her. When lee when to see what happened to Clem, a walker bit him and if you look at the big picture, Kenny is the reason everything happened. He caused the death of Strangers family, which turned him into a maniac, very much like what Kenny was becoming.
He Caused Carver to shoot Walter (Kenny shot one of his men, even if Clem tells him not not shoot). And if Clem doesnt talk Kenny to turn himself in, Carver will shoot Alvin also.
To be fair the son was lost that's where the family was when supplies were taken and the wife took the daughter and left because she hated h… moreer husband for letting their son die. Taking the supplies didn't help but that family was broken before we ever found the car. The stranger just needed someone to blame besides himself. Very common for that to happen when a loved one is lost needlessly partially due to his own actions/choices.
So letting that girl getting eaten was just ok in 3rd episode on first season? And the fact that he wanted to leave Omid behind because he needed rest? Kenny wanted to murder/leave behind 2 of Clementines friends, and player makes Clem feel ok with that? Some just want Clem to be psyco like Kenny.
Who wouldn't be unstable, after seeing everyone they've ever cared about die?
And as far as not caring about the other family, if that wa… mores truly Kenny's attitude about others, then he wouldn't have fended off the walkers, while Lee worked at getting Ben's teacher out of the bear trap.
Nor have been disgusted by Larry saying they should've just left Ben and his teacher/classmate to die.
Nor have been upset when katja was unable to save the latter.
Nor would he have tried to save Ben, after Ben fell and got impaled by a piece of steel.
Hell, he wouldn't have even come back for Lee, back at the drugstore in season 1 episode 1, after Larry tried to kill Lee.
Stranger said when they gave up the search she called him a monster. Like I said the supplies thing hurt but not having supplies usually doesn't mean abandon your husband and try it on your own with nothing when you're trying to keep a little girl safe. She left because she hated her husband. This is just my take on it however. The stranger thought it was because of the supplies so maybe but in cannon stranger said his wife called him a monster. He took Clem because he lost his family and wanted to make a new family (again he said exactly this).
Kenny has done alot (depending on your playthruogh it might be a whole lot lol) but The strangers problems began when he lost his son hunting. Nothing trumps the death of a child to a parent. I am one so yeah its a completely biased view on this subject because if my wife lost our kid I could never look at her without feeling completely disgusted. Like she was a monster. Especially since the child was lost!! not bit or taken just lost...that's a tough pill to swallow without thinking why weren't you there. why didn't you watch and protect them.
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Trustworthy is highly debateable considering how the fight started, but I respect your opinion nevertheless. If I may ask though, was she your favourite character in the whole of Walking Dead, or just against Kenny?
As I said before Kenny took the supplies out of selfishness. He knew there was a family but he didn't care about them.
Also the supplies were brand new and the car had a light switched on. They knew there was a family.
The moment Kenny started beating Arvo again for no fucking reason, Mike and possibly Bonnie decided to leave Kenny behind. Kenny treated Arvo so badly, that rest of the group saw him as lesser evil than Kenny.
Kenny has always been an asshole, and he was slowly turning into Carver. Thats why Jane had to convince Clem to leave Kenny and come with her instead.
How the hell is Kenny suppose to foresee that deal with the stranger?
Because there was no way to tell if the car was actually abandoned or not.
And they were in a very desperate situation, after being attacked by the St Johns'.
Food was scarce in the area.
And Macon was tapped.
So it's not like they had a lot of options.
And as far as having no business yelling at a kid, why do you think he apologized?
Cause he knew it was wrong, and he was wrong for doing so.
And he did what a real man does, and he apologized for his wrongful behavior.
I'd pick Jane over anyone but Lee and Clem I think...
But it's hardly fair, since she was the only character in season 2 (besides arguably Kenny) to undergo any sort of progression or arc.
And yeah - I get the whole trustworthy thing for some people, I did just want to hit it on the nose :P
There was no room for 2 but kenny asked if they could make an exception because their just kids... wich turned out they would make the exception
So asking if they those 2 could come there is a sacrifice how? He just tried to reason with the guard. Something he rarely does.
Again I am a big kenny fan! I shot him. You are still saying every Kenny fan is irrational when I'm trying to be rational and I fucking shot him. Not every fan is one thing. This is why I called you a troll before and youre just proving me right!!
**AGAIN! **
Huge Kenny fan here!!
**Shot Kenny! **
I saved Jane and left alone but I saved her based on my feelings.
Open your mind or shut your mouth.
Bye I'm done and no longer care to talk with someone so rude. Enjoy your day
The items in the car were new and the car was on and the car didn't look dirty. He knew but he stole the items anyway because he doesn't care about the other family.
I did mention that he apologized, but screaming at a child proves that he's unstable.
Like i said, every Kenny fan is irrational. You leave a girl behind, who increases your chances of survival. That if something is irrational thing to do. I was not only agreeing with her actions, i realized that i needed her in order to stay alive. 11 years old girl with a baby isnt optimal settings for surviving zombie apocalypse.
Alone ending is pretty stupid also... Walking through herd of walkers, with ticking time bomb in your hands, which could start crying at any moment and kill you both.
I think the best thing that could have happened in that situation was for someone - perhaps Clementine - to say:
Okay! Cool it guys! Everyone is cold, and hurt, and scared. Let's just have one quiet night, and we can discuss things in the morning.
As far as blaming Kenny for breaking the group apart. I don't think it was his intention to break it apart, but it was his actions that lead to it. His needless violence towards Arvo (before and after the lake thing), and his various outbursts towards the others in the group.
True, Jane did amount a lot of screen time in 2 and a half episodes of appearances. (BTW, I never count Lee and Clem in any fav list's because I think it's unfair). What about Kenny though? May you still have the moment, is he actually your LEAST favourite character?
Well they knew they couldnt change Kennys mind so they had to be sneaky.
you are 1000000% correct. Hey everyone this opinion is the one true opinion that will rule all other opinions from now on. So says queen Jane!
Later crazy alligator
Well you just showed that you are unable to think rationally.
I hated him in season 1 - but that was sort of a good thing, if you know what I mean. It was in story. Sort of "God dammit Kenny". He wasn't my least favourite character in season 1, though he was Lee's least favourite member of the group.
In season 2 though, I just hated that Kenny was here. I hated that it was played like "Oh Clem and Kenny are just such friends... Hahaha - remember that time I left you to die? Oh hoho, good times". It was like season 1 didn't matter at all. Since episode 2 of season 2 I think I restarted the game around 10 times, because I chose an option that seemed good, but ended up having Clem saying something that supported Kenny - in even the slightest way. It really limited my playing of the season, and I would have much preferred if Kenny has simply been replaced by Patrick or some other new character.
I was so happy when Kenny finally left the group in season 1, and I was equally unhappy when he showed back up in season 2.
I don't know if this makes sense. It will probably be seen as blind hate by some (and to be fair it probably is to some extent), but that's just how I feel about it.
TLDR: I hated Kenny for the right reasons in season 1, I hated Kenny even being here in season 2.
Who wouldn't be unstable, after seeing everyone they've ever cared about die?
And as far as not caring about the other family, if that was truly Kenny's attitude about others, then he wouldn't have fended off the walkers, while Lee worked at getting Ben's teacher out of the bear trap.
Nor have been disgusted by Larry saying they should've just left Ben and his teacher/classmate to die.
Nor have been upset when katja was unable to save the latter.
Nor would he have tried to save Ben, after Ben fell and got impaled by a piece of steel.
Hell, he wouldn't have even come back for Lee, back at the drugstore in season 1 episode 1, after Larry tried to kill Lee.
You said any option other than killing Kenny and going with Jane is wrong! YOU said that. I'm just telling everyone how you figured out the right ending. Or are you willing to say that other opinions besides your own may be the correct choice depending on the people choosing. Because every post you said I'm irrational when nothing I've said has been bad.
Never did I say kenny should kill her slowly or I hate Jane or anything. Look at our discussion. You are being antagonistic so I decided to reply with a smart ass comment.
I haven't attacked your opinions or you but all my opinions are wrong and irrational???
Very interesting. While I disagree with you, I'm glad I could have your insight of the decision. I will admit in season 1, Kenny flip flopped around my favourites chart practically every episode (considering Larry was originally my favourite non-playable character, you can image why). But by the end of season 1, when I thought he died and wasn't coming back. I realised he was the best thing about the game. His actions, heartaches, and determination made me love him.
When he came back in season 2 , however I was heavily against it. Because not did I feel his character was perfect in season 1, but I didn't want him stepping over the new characters. But with In Harm's Way and Amid The Ruins soaring lack of quality, I realised Kenny was the only character left I could like. And by episode 5 and the series pick up, I can honestly say Kenny might just be one of my favourite characters of all time.
I just thought I'd share that.
It's all good. So thanks for sharing
All im saying is that based on that situation, Jane is more rational pick. Now i dont say it might be morally superiour or anything like that, but in means of survival, moral values cant have that big role
But sure as hell picking Jane is most rational decision there.
FOR YOU! That's all I'm saying. For others its irrational. Neither opinion is wrong.
Well you seem to lack objectivity also. Jane survived this long because her worldview is almost perfect for surviving and she is intelligent. Kenny is alive because writers magically resurrected him.
Again. Im not debating which is right or wrong, because that would imply that i base my decision on moral values.
He would never react to Clem like that because he cares for her and because he'd trust her excuse. He would probably scold her like after Sarita's death but he wouldn't physically hurt her. It would be completely out of character for him. He distrusted Jane and knew of her protest against the baby. He also knows she values her own life over anyone elses. He thought she left the baby to save herself, that isn't out of character for Jane.
What was her genius plan after she rused him then? Instead of informing him of AJ's actual faith she whiped out a knife and turned the fight fatal. The plan was always to kill him because her actions don't suggest the contrary, especially considering she knew how he would react.
As Kenny pointed out, Howe's could of still been full of Carver's people or the herd. It's not like Howe's was a black and white choice, there was risk associated with it too.
(My device has a character limit, this is part 1 of 2)
I say neither opinion is wrong and I lack objectivity...okay then.
You are the most opinionated rude person I've talked to on here so please stop posting.
(Before any mod bans me just read through these few posts to see that I was trying to have a reasonable discussion and was met with rude comments and accusations that I'm irrational which if you read my posts that's clearly not the case. Either way I'm done with this thread and this forum. It's not fun anymore when so much hate is here on the forum right now between both sides.)
How can you be so sure? Kenny was ready to kill 2 of Clementines friends and what kind of person would trust Kenny after that? Jane was confident that Kenny would turn into Carver, so she had to convince Clem that Kenny is dangerous to be around.
And she took the knife out after she was on ground and Kenny was charging.
Jane was only one that went to safe Clem after she fell through the ice, and was only one caring about getting Clem warm after, while Kenny was busy unleashing his anger on Arvo.
People sayng that Jane doesnt care about Clems life is stupid, because the only reason she came back was Clem (and she happened to save Kennys life when she came back)
Howe's might not have been safe, but it was still better bet than keep going to north because of a story. based on known facts, going back south was better option.
(Continued part 2 of 2)
A few things could happen. If the community is aware of herds by now they could divert the entire herd into a different direction, assuming they scouted them. Rick's companions in the comic pull this off fairly easily. If they are not aware of herds they could funnel zombies in a steady stream and kill them at a steady pace with melee weapons. Considering that they are at overcapacity, they'd have more than enough manpower to do it. When Rick's group did this they had around 30-50 people, a lot of whom did nothing. Another thing they could do is absolutely nothing. Their walls have no windows/apparent weakness and appear strong. Whatever happens, one thing is for sure, Clem and AJ wouldn't be required to help.
The problem with you is that you keep bringing moral values to converstation. Moral values are meaningless when talking about objectivity and rationality.
I call you irrational and when i explain my reasoning behind it, you get emotional. Point proven.
If the cold is capable of freezing a zombie, what do you think it would do to a baby covered only by a blanket? Babies are especially prone to hypothermia and do you want to know what happens to a baby that is afflicted by it? It goes unusually quiet among other things. If this was real life, the baby wouldn't even alert Kenny and Clem of its existence, and if things played out exactly how it did in the game after the fight, it wouldn't even matter who you chose because the baby would be dead by the time anyone was even alerted it was freezing to death. She definitely risked AJ's life.
She was out to kill Kenny just as much as he was out to kill her. Nobody deserved to die and nobody would have had to die had Jane not rused a broken man by implying she removed his hope. Even after insulting Kenny's dead family, he still tells her to stay in the safety of the car while he gets gas. She responds by contemplating ditching him... She played with fire and got burned, her fault for lighting the fucking flames.
So you're saying that i was safer for the baby to be outside in a blizzard, rather than inside car with windows and everything?
Jane needed to show that side of Kenny to Clem so she would follow her instead. She thought that it was best for Clems safety. Obviously she wasnt thinking straight, because she was emotionally attached to Clem already, so she did stupid thing to protect her.
Kenny on the other hand was just so angry that he was ready to murder another friend of Clems.
Jane gave Kenny opportunity to show what he is capable of, but it escalated into fight to the death. She gave him chance to leave and even told him to "just go", but Kenny clearly wanted to kill her.
Here's how the fight went on;
Jane hid the baby to get Kenny to try to kill her. Her plan was to look innocent as possible so Kenny can look like a murderous psychopath. And Kenny, being the naive and gullible fool he is, just fell for it
Kenny will not do anything for Clementine. He even admits, the reason he's alive is because of AJ. He says it in the truck scene.
You give Kenny fans a bad name.
Nothing against Jane, but it was an easy choice for me. Kenny has been my bro and best friend since season 1.
I get it. You think Jane is best and kenny should die and anyone who disagrees can't be right because god forbid anyone have a different opinion than your own. Please learn people skills IRL because I don't know if its a language barrier thing but you come across very condescending and I hope that's not how you meant it. I see your point about Jane but do not agree with it. That's fine with me because we don't have to agree. I just didn't like that you said all kenny fans were irrational. Making a choice based on feelings isn't irrational. It may not be the most pragmatic way but irrational is defying all reason just because you are angry scared whatever. I hope this makes some sense to you. Sorry for my attitude. I forget that I may be speaking with someone from around the world.
Bonnie and Mike? Friends? They betrayed not only Kenny but Clementine. If their plan worked out they would have stranded them in the middle of nowhere with no supplies. In times as hard as the apocalypse they were lucky they didn't get shot which yes, they deserved it for leaving Clem and the baby hungry.
No, she dodged his charge and took out her knife. In that same room she slices his stomach... So much for just "testing" him.
"Where there's smoke, there is fire", as always Kenny is once again right and Wellington is in fact there. He took the risk and AJ and Clem get rewarded.
To be fair the son was lost that's where the family was when supplies were taken and the wife took the daughter and left because she hated her husband for letting their son die. Taking the supplies didn't help but that family was broken before we ever found the car. The stranger just needed someone to blame besides himself. Very common for that to happen when a loved one is lost needlessly partially due to his own actions/choices.
The fact that they lost their supplies was the ultimate reason she took her daughter and left.
So letting that girl getting eaten was just ok in 3rd episode on first season? And the fact that he wanted to leave Omid behind because he needed rest? Kenny wanted to murder/leave behind 2 of Clementines friends, and player makes Clem feel ok with that? Some just want Clem to be psyco like Kenny.
Stranger said when they gave up the search she called him a monster. Like I said the supplies thing hurt but not having supplies usually doesn't mean abandon your husband and try it on your own with nothing when you're trying to keep a little girl safe. She left because she hated her husband. This is just my take on it however. The stranger thought it was because of the supplies so maybe but in cannon stranger said his wife called him a monster. He took Clem because he lost his family and wanted to make a new family (again he said exactly this).
Kenny has done alot (depending on your playthruogh it might be a whole lot lol) but The strangers problems began when he lost his son hunting. Nothing trumps the death of a child to a parent. I am one so yeah its a completely biased view on this subject because if my wife lost our kid I could never look at her without feeling completely disgusted. Like she was a monster. Especially since the child was lost!! not bit or taken just lost...that's a tough pill to swallow without thinking why weren't you there. why didn't you watch and protect them.