The saddest part is that if season 3 is meant to take place at Wellington, then I'm almost certain we'll have either a DLC or a quick explan… moreation for why Jane abandoned Clem, and Clem was forced north to Wellington.
Thus undoing all the character development that season 2 did for Jane. Plus we'll have tons of unbearable forum posts going: "HAHAHAHA - I told you Jane was a bitch"... I'm already dreading this.
EDIT: To any TellTale people. If I'm even close to the mark, then at the very least you owe Jane a proper heroic send off! You can't build up her character and then quickly murder it again.
You are not even making sense. Its a game with multiple choice dialog options and you're claiming I didn't do a good enough job to be friends with Kenn?
Saved Duck and ignore Herschel's son? Check; Sided with him to kill Larry? Check; sided with him about leaving the motor inn? Check; Sided with him about leaving Ben? Check; Shooting Duck so he wouldn't have to? Check; talking him down instead of fighting him in the train? Check........... Please enlighten me. What did I do wrong? Because despite all that he says "What have you done for me lately?" and "You know Lee, I ask myself if it were my family in trouble and I needed your help would you be there? and I think you sure haven't lately"
Gosh with everything I've done for him... Its so CLEARLY my fault!
So running on ice, which clearly was not thick enough, and going to edge of hole in the ice and pulling Clem to the surface, and then carrying her (increasing the weight, thus making it more dangerous) on the ice which could collapse at any moment isnt risking your own life?
As a kid, i spent a lot of time playing around with thin ice with my friends in local small lake or swamps, and i can tell you that trying to lift your friend from side of a hole can easily cause it to break even more and make you fall to the water also.
Kenny was so blinded by anger, that he didnt care about Clementine freezing to death.
Oh wow Jane carried her if Kenny was there he would have carried her back too. The real thing is that Kenny would jump in and get her if she was drowning but Jane wouldn't want to risk her own life and would not!
It is your fault it's more then just the big decisions! My first try Kenny was with me till the end I can't believe you played 3 times and couldn't get that.
You are not even making sense. Its a game with multiple choice dialog options and you're claiming I didn't do a good enough job to be frien… moreds with Kenn?
Saved Duck and ignore Herschel's son? Check; Sided with him to kill Larry? Check; sided with him about leaving the motor inn? Check; Sided with him about leaving Ben? Check; Shooting Duck so he wouldn't have to? Check; talking him down instead of fighting him in the train? Check........... Please enlighten me. What did I do wrong? Because despite all that he says "What have you done for me lately?" and "You know Lee, I ask myself if it were my family in trouble and I needed your help would you be there? and I think you sure haven't lately"
Gosh with everything I've done for him... Its so CLEARLY my fault!
Kenny attacked Jane and she defended herself; he ended up on top of her, forcing a knife into her face attempting to murder her. I liked & sympathised with him, in the past, but in that moment he absolutely needed to die (and he agreed). I don't understand the justification for shooting Jane in that situation. What she did to prove that Kenny was an out-of-control lunatic, I didn't agree with, but I was glad to forgive her. Clementine has far greater chances of survival with Jane than Kenny, who couldn't keep it together anymore. The paranoid fits of rage were becoming a fairly massive problem.
Well please do explain why im wrong?
What was i wrong about? That Ben and Jane were/are Clems friends, or that Kenny wants to murder her friends and doesnt care about Clementines opinion?
Man, I have written so often what's wrong with defending Kenny, it get's annoying.
I wonder how many who defend Kenny's Action at the end… more actually watched the ending where you kill him even once. He says she made the right choice, that he let her down, that she is better without him. I actually like Kenny just for realizing himself he made a mistake. Can you really argue with the man himself?
I'd really love if those that say Kenny was right to image the following: You are Jane, but unlike what happened, you really lost the Baby. While trying to get away from Walkers, you tripped over a stone. Remember there was a storm and the sight was extremely low. So you fall down and the Baby fell out of your hands. You are out of your senses for a second. You open your Eyes, try to grab the Baby, and before you do, a walker comes and grabs the Baby before you do. You do your best to stand up as fast as possible, but you realize it's too late, an… [view original content]
lol another Kenny fan putting blinders on when it comes to him. I did get it once (not that it really matters) but only because I guilt tripped him into it. You most likely sided with Kenny on every single option making Lee nothing more than his groupie. Might as well have played as Kenny. I did play as Kenny's friend but I wasn't his brainless lackey who has to agree with every single fucking thing he says to make him like me. There's a point when its no longer your fault but the other person's.
Its not my fault if I bring Pizza and beer and he's fussy because I didn't get Icecream too!
It is your fault it's more then just the big decisions! My first try Kenny was with me till the end I can't believe you played 3 times and couldn't get that.
I have to say, that this is the most stupidest thing ive heard from ANY Kenny fan.
"So running on ice, which clearly was not thick enough, and going to edge of hole in the ice and pulling Clem to the surface, and then carrying her (increasing the weight, thus making it more dangerous) on the ice which could collapse at any moment isnt risking your own life? " That was about the lake scene.
Plus she came back and saved Kennys life in the start of episode 5.
And Jane didnt leave people to get killed by herd in the end of 3rd episode.
Risked her own life to save luke and sarah, only to realize that sarah wouldnt survive anyway.
Some Kenny fans are just full of shit. Lying and trying to discredit everything Jane has done to Clem and the group.
So wait, you're saying the prisoner (Jane) was the bad person and not Troy? Really? She was trying to escape and she used what she could to try to get out. But in your world, Troy was the good guy being manipulated by the woman he was holding captive? Interesting view on life.
^^^ That is the most perfect breakdown of Janes character! I had forgotten how she used and manipulated Troy... shes dangerous! Very very dangerous, because you cant see what shes doing, until too late
So wait, you're saying the prisoner (Jane) was the bad person and not Troy? Really? She was trying to escape and she used what she could to … moretry to get out. But in your world, Troy was the good guy being manipulated by the woman he was holding captive? Interesting view on life.
lol another Kenny fan putting blinders on when it comes to him. I did get it once (not that it really matters) but only because I guilt tri… morepped him into it. You most likely sided with Kenny on every single option making Lee nothing more than his groupie. Might as well have played as Kenny. I did play as Kenny's friend but I wasn't his brainless lackey who has to agree with every single fucking thing he says to make him like me. There's a point when its no longer your fault but the other person's.
Its not my fault if I bring Pizza and beer and he's fussy because I didn't get Icecream too!
Again, don't leave comments if you don't know what you're talking about. Jane should not have left the group in the first place if she really cared about Clem. she is the reason why Arvo and his group attacked them of course she had to go back. If Clem were to die Jane would shrug it off while Kenny wouldn't let it down! Kenny is the one that cares for you more who has watched you grow since season 1 and felt pride in you! He is the one who would risk his life for you and AJ! That is the kind of person Kenny is and Jane will never be! That is not stupid!
P. S "the most stupidest thing" check your grammar before you call someone else stupid, retard!
I have to say, that this is the most stupidest thing ive heard from ANY Kenny fan.
"So running on ice, which clearly was not thick enough… more, and going to edge of hole in the ice and pulling Clem to the surface, and then carrying her (increasing the weight, thus making it more dangerous) on the ice which could collapse at any moment isnt risking your own life? " That was about the lake scene.
Plus she came back and saved Kennys life in the start of episode 5.
And Jane didnt leave people to get killed by herd in the end of 3rd episode.
Risked her own life to save luke and sarah, only to realize that sarah wouldnt survive anyway.
Some Kenny fans are just full of shit. Lying and trying to discredit everything Jane has done to Clem and the group.
Jane left the group because she started to care about Clementine, and she didnt want to see her die. She came back because she heard the gunshots and she realized that she wanted to stay with Clementine and the group (but Clem was 90% of the reason she came back, like she says).
Even if you dont steal from Arvo, their group attacks you... You shoud play the game before you debate.
And like ive replied before, Jane risks her own life to save Clem and other group members more than once.
Could you please stop ignoring all that FACTS ive told you, which we can actually see it the game?
ps. Whats with this childish insult in the end?
Again, don't leave comments if you don't know what you're talking about. Jane should not have left the group in the first place if she reall… morey cared about Clem. she is the reason why Arvo and his group attacked them of course she had to go back. If Clem were to die Jane would shrug it off while Kenny wouldn't let it down! Kenny is the one that cares for you more who has watched you grow since season 1 and felt pride in you! He is the one who would risk his life for you and AJ! That is the kind of person Kenny is and Jane will never be! That is not stupid!
P. S "the most stupidest thing" check your grammar before you call someone else stupid, retard!
True Arvo and his group end up attacking the group but regardless if you return the medicine or not Jane puts a gun to his head and threatens him and his sister. You should know your facts!
Jane needed you to push her to go save sarah she wouldn't do it if it was up to her! She only cares about herself in the end! She abandoned her own sister what makes you think she won't abandon Clem if it comes to it?
Stop ignoring all of my FACTS which we can also see in the game
Sorry for the insult at the end it's just hard to get through to stupid Jane lovers!
Jane left the group because she started to care about Clementine, and she didnt want to see her die. She came back because she heard the gun… moreshots and she realized that she wanted to stay with Clementine and the group (but Clem was 90% of the reason she came back, like she says).
Even if you dont steal from Arvo, their group attacks you... You shoud play the game before you debate.
And like ive replied before, Jane risks her own life to save Clem and other group members more than once.
Could you please stop ignoring all that FACTS ive told you, which we can actually see it the game?
ps. Whats with this childish insult in the end?
You realize that for there to be a Clem focused S3, everything has to go to shit, right? So long as Clem is the protagonist, things will go wrong around her. That's the only way to make the story interesting. No matter what happens both Wellington and Howe's will prove to be unsafe and end with Clem and AJ on the move and without a guardian so she can meet the new cast of characters.
Immediately afterwards, Clem is freezing to death. While Jane is looking for wood for a fire, Kenny stands around and decides to beat up Arvo instead of look for supplies. He leaves the job of saving Clem's life to Jane so he can focus on what's important, beating kids up.
Oh wow Jane carried her if Kenny was there he would have carried her back too. The real thing is that Kenny would jump in and get her if she was drowning but Jane wouldn't want to risk her own life and would not!
You realize that for there to be a Clem focused S3, everything has to go to shit, right? So long as Clem is the protagonist, things will go … morewrong around her. That's the only way to make the story interesting. No matter what happens both Wellington and Howe's will prove to be unsafe and end with Clem and AJ on the move and without a guardian so she can meet the new cast of characters.
Kenny already took Duck to safety, but he didnt come back to help Lee save Shawn. What about all the other people Kenny has gotten killed? D… moreont they mean anything to you Kenny fans?
Kenny is just huge prick
ps. i played both seasons last night and it only made me hate him more. Maybe you should too, so you remember how fucking annoying he was in season 1, before he became violent maniac.
You seemed to forget when Jane was about to shoot innocent Arvo on the deck, until you stopped her! Then she puts a gun to his head and threatens him and his sister which leads to the rest of the group in danger of loosing their lives when his group finds them!
Immediately afterwards, Clem is freezing to death. While Jane is looking for wood for a fire, Kenny stands around and decides to beat up Arv… moreo instead of look for supplies. He leaves the job of saving Clem's life to Jane so he can focus on what's important, beating kids up.
Think back to the "Previously on..." at the start of the game. Carver says:
"Killing one in order to save many, is part of survival"
T… morehe difference between our characters, is Jane is of the same mindset as Carver, and why shouldnt she be. All the warning flags are there, shes part of Carvers group. She gets in and out all the time - OF A FORTRES LIKE COMPLEX. Shes seperated like shes a prisoner, but whos to say she isnt a mole? She a lone wolf with no ties. She abandons the group (whos to say she didnt go back to Howes to make a report to the 2ic?)
And at the end of the day, she is willing to sacrifice one, to save many.
Im glad shes dead
I'm against murder, yes, and I didn't murder Kenny. I killed him to prevent him murdering someone else in a fight he started and which served no purpose.
No matter what Jane did, attacking her was not a reasonable solution. Kenny doesn't have a right to beat people up whenever he feels like. Beating Jane up wasn't going to provide an answer for what had happened to AJ, and Jane wasn't an immediate danger to Clem that required she be incapacitated. Jane had a right to defend herself, and to resort to whatever means were necessary to keep someone else from harming her.
Since Kenny was stronger than her, pulling the knife out isn't escalation (as so many people claim). It's the only avenue open to her to protect herself. Escalation is when two people are on even footing and one raises the stakes to get the advantage. Jane and Kenny were not on even footing.
Saying that he attacked her because he made her angry doesn't justify his actions. Jane fucked up, it's true, but at the time all I knew was that something weird was going on, that Kenny refused to let Jane explain what had happened, and that after Jane put the knife down Kenny charged at her. As a consequence, he's in the wrong and once it becomes a matter of life and death, he's the one that has to be stopped.
Well i doubt that she was that cynical on the first weeks of zombie apocalypse and would have actually helped (we dont know that much about how she was like before the za).
And dont give that bullshit again about Jane not helping others.
How does killing Jane protect Clem then? If the only danger Jane poses is "not helping at some future point in time", killing her just makes that future point in time be "now". So instead of not having Jane around to help later, you're never going to have her around to help.
If you'd "protected" Clem from her like that before, Jane wouldn't have been around to come back and save Kenny from the Russian dude and Kenny would be dead.
Kenny tries to murder Jane (and gets shot) because he was angry. Not because he was thinking about Clem. Just as he beats up Arvo before because he was angry, while Clem was freezing to death. And just as he hits Clem when she tries to stop him.
And maybe he could have gotten out without Bonnie breaking the ice too, but he doesn't hit Bonnie. And it doesn't answer the fact that even if Arvo was responsible, hitting him doesn't make the situation better. Considering that in some games Clem might be freezing to death, it actually makes the situation worse. He could have been trying to find wood for the fire, or something to start the fire with, but instead he starts hitting a kid.
That's hilariously disproved by Jane letting people in to Howe's if you don't make a decision...
I do fear that TellTale will do something horrible in order to move Clem to Wellington... And by something horrible I mean destroy Jane's character and all the changes that occurred during season 2, in order to force Clem to Wellington.
Wow, you're going to completely ignore that Kenny left Clem to freeze to death so he could focus on beating Arvo? Seriously? Yeah, Kenny really has Clem's safety at the top of his mind. That's why he also smacks you in the face if you try to stop him from hurting Arvo. He's just so concerned for your safety. He'd jump into a freezing lake for you, but won't stop beating a kid for two seconds to make you warm and dry.
As for the situation in the deck, Jane fucked up. She made two mistakes all season, and that was one of them. However, it's important to note that when you ask her not to do it, she listens to you. When you ask Kenny not to do something, he ignores you.
And if we're going to bring that up, we can also bring up the fact that Lee dies and Clementine is kidnapped because Kenny insisted on robbing the stranger.
You seemed to forget when Jane was about to shoot innocent Arvo on the deck, until you stopped her! Then she puts a gun to his head and thre… moreatens him and his sister which leads to the rest of the group in danger of loosing their lives when his group finds them!
What Jane did to her sister was justified and merciful. She forced her to live way too long and on the roof, she couldnt do anything anymore to save her. If Clementine would give up and wanted to die, She would probably do the same as she did with her sister, force her to keep going until situation came ahead, where she cant save her and force Clem to keep going.
I dont love Jane, i just like her worldview and way she acts more than Kennys, since its very similar to mine and i found her character easy to relate to.
True Arvo and his group end up attacking the group but regardless if you return the medicine or not Jane puts a gun to his head and threaten… mores him and his sister. You should know your facts!
Jane needed you to push her to go save sarah she wouldn't do it if it was up to her! She only cares about herself in the end! She abandoned her own sister what makes you think she won't abandon Clem if it comes to it?
Stop ignoring all of my FACTS which we can also see in the game
Sorry for the insult at the end it's just hard to get through to stupid Jane lovers!
get the fuck outta here both of you. shawn was a fucking man, again Kenny saved his kid, no one could've saved that idiot. larry situation was ehh cuz that shit he had he needed medicine he was going to die of that sooner than later, specially with his temper. but in moment of desperation and everything its kinda explained, but still its also on us too. bitch was death your choice too, good plan that like always still blows up. no one wanted to kill Ben more than me. Kenny didn't kill him even when he told what he did, Kenny could've easily shot him. and I killed ben myself. EVER. GODDAMN. TIME. ALL THOSE SEASON ONE DEATHS ARE ALL TRACED BACK TO THAT SHITBIRD. Clem pitied Ben. she didn't want anyone killed.and that number 6 clearly shows me you're an idiot. carver, a violent fuck so forgive Kenny for trying something. again how would YOU react??? ohh wait, you probably would have kill the baby. and by just looking for this reply I saw like 100 post of you, im going to guess saying Kenny is a piece of shit, so im not wasting my time anymore with you anymore. not only that you just told me last time you just barely started playing the game. you clearly just hate him for no reason. you ignore all the facts of how someone that was broken and that little hope was made believed that hope was dead. and again it was just manipulation. again like I said I guess you love getting lied to.
so i'ma leave that at this... I don't give a fuck anymore what you got to say or ANYONE'S opinion on this choice cuz its yours and I don't give a shit about your clem, as I only see my clem as thee #myclementine
Well let me write a list then
* Shawn - He didnt come to help Lee after Duck was taken to safety
* Larry - He didnt hesitate killing L… morearry, even without knowing if cpr worked
* He stole the supplies from the stranger, and indirectly caused the deaths of Ben, Lee and stranger/his family
* He wants you to leave that girl to get eaten by walkers
* Lilly deserved to be left behind, just like Kenny would have on season 2 episode 5. You cant just go murder someone in anger (the reason Lee was going to prison in season 1 episode 1)
* He wants you to kill Ben either by not shooting the walker hanging on the bell tower, or letting go of his hand so he falls to the death and gets eaten. Just like Jane, Ben was Clementines friend and Kenny clearly doesnt care about what Clementine thinks.
* Doesnt die on season 1 episode 5 in those impossible situations, killing a little bit of me inside.
* Causes Carver to execute Walter and is ready to let… [view original content]
Ive played first season through 4 times and 2nd season 3 times. I played 2nd season through again few nights ago, and you must have misread what i said.
Shawn got stuck because of Duck. Duck was saved by Kenny and possibly Lee, and then Kenny just left Lee alone to save Shawn. Ben was friend of Clem... I really doubt that 8 years girl could feel pity towards anyone.
I dont hate Kenny, even if his attitude is complete shit most of the times, but i wouldnt let Kenny repeat the mistake Lilly and Lee did. Killing someone in anger.
get the fuck outta here both of you. shawn was a fucking man, again Kenny saved his kid, no one could've saved that idiot. larry situation w… moreas ehh cuz that shit he had he needed medicine he was going to die of that sooner than later, specially with his temper. but in moment of desperation and everything its kinda explained, but still its also on us too. bitch was death your choice too, good plan that like always still blows up. no one wanted to kill Ben more than me. Kenny didn't kill him even when he told what he did, Kenny could've easily shot him. and I killed ben myself. EVER. GODDAMN. TIME. ALL THOSE SEASON ONE DEATHS ARE ALL TRACED BACK TO THAT SHITBIRD. Clem pitied Ben. she didn't want anyone killed.and that number 6 clearly shows me you're an idiot. carver, a violent fuck so forgive Kenny for trying something. again how would YOU react??? ohh wait, you probably would have kill the baby. and by just looking for this reply I saw like 10… [view original content]
Yeah but don't you see Kenny would never just leave Clem. Well I guess Kenny was right when he called out Jane. "In the end still only care about yourself"
What Jane did to her sister was justified and merciful. She forced her to live way too long and on the roof, she couldnt do anything anymore… more to save her. If Clementine would give up and wanted to die, She would probably do the same as she did with her sister, force her to keep going until situation came ahead, where she cant save her and force Clem to keep going.
I dont love Jane, i just like her worldview and way she acts more than Kennys, since its very similar to mine and i found her character easy to relate to.
Kenny was protecting Clem he doesn't trust her with Clem after "killing" the baby! He knows she just cares about herself and would have no problem leaving Clem if she was in danger!
Jane is the one who brought the Russians to the group so yeah it's her fault that they could have all been killed!
Kenny is only thinking of Clem he has nothing else to live for! He should have killed Arvo not just beat him up. In my game I didn't try to stop him why the hell would you?
How does killing Jane protect Clem then? If the only danger Jane poses is "not helping at some future point in time", killing her just makes… more that future point in time be "now". So instead of not having Jane around to help later, you're never going to have her around to help.
If you'd "protected" Clem from her like that before, Jane wouldn't have been around to come back and save Kenny from the Russian dude and Kenny would be dead.
Kenny tries to murder Jane (and gets shot) because he was angry. Not because he was thinking about Clem. Just as he beats up Arvo before because he was angry, while Clem was freezing to death. And just as he hits Clem when she tries to stop him.
Um yeah. I wish Kenny killed Arvo right there! He knew he was trouble and in the end he shoots Clementine. She would be fine if he had killed Arvo so yeah Clem's safety was at the top of his mind. Jane however keeps regretting that she came back and is ready to leave when things get dangerous for her!
Ok agreed Jane fucked up. Kenny is usually right and you should listen to him. There is no need to go against him.
Robbing the strangers was a group choice and they needed it. They saw no one around and took it. Jane wanted to rob, No kill Arvo, then rob him even when he begged about his sister she still wanted to take the meds!
Wow, you're going to completely ignore that Kenny left Clem to freeze to death so he could focus on beating Arvo? Seriously? Yeah, Kenny rea… morelly has Clem's safety at the top of his mind. That's why he also smacks you in the face if you try to stop him from hurting Arvo. He's just so concerned for your safety. He'd jump into a freezing lake for you, but won't stop beating a kid for two seconds to make you warm and dry.
As for the situation in the deck, Jane fucked up. She made two mistakes all season, and that was one of them. However, it's important to note that when you ask her not to do it, she listens to you. When you ask Kenny not to do something, he ignores you.
And if we're going to bring that up, we can also bring up the fact that Lee dies and Clementine is kidnapped because Kenny insisted on robbing the stranger.
Um yeah. I wish Kenny killed Arvo right there! He knew he was trouble and in the end he shoots Clementine. She would be fine if he had kille… mored Arvo so yeah Clem's safety was at the top of his mind. Jane however keeps regretting that she came back and is ready to leave when things get dangerous for her!
Ok agreed Jane fucked up. Kenny is usually right and you should listen to him. There is no need to go against him.
Robbing the strangers was a group choice and they needed it. They saw no one around and took it. Jane wanted to rob, No kill Arvo, then rob him even when he begged about his sister she still wanted to take the meds!
It was not about Jane manipulating Kenny to kill him and show she was the good guy, but about Jane manipulating Kenny into a fight which she didn´t brother to stop-what prevented her for running past Kenny to the car when they were outside the Rest Stop, open the door and show him AJ is alive and let Clem make her mind about both of them instead of trying to kill Kenny with the knife?-when she already ‘proved’ all she had to ‘prove’, so the situation escalated to attempted murder. Jane was the reason for the fight, the one that drew first blood, the only one that could stop the fight and didn´t. So, yes, she deserved to be killed.
She doesn´t prove anything about Kenny, just that he has violent reactions when is family or those that he cares about get killed or endangered, something that is evident in the two seasons. And is no more that she ever realized, don’t give me that shit.
Kenny: ‘I fucking kill you.’
Jane: ‘I knew you would.’
At really, you call not lashing out a rational response when Kenny lost Sarita less that two days ago and no he thinks AJ died? What did you expect, seriously? That he ask her for every detail and tell her to draw him a diagram? That shows how blind you really are.
Also Kenny fans don’t act like Kenny stayed calm and asked Jane what happened. We know he has his flaws, but when it comes down to it Jane was more at wrong in that situation. The figth was started by Jane, she drew first blood and could have killed Kenny right there with that slash of the knife even when she had proven all she wanted to prove, showing that she intended to kill Kenny since she came to the Rest Stop.
Really convoluted set up she had there. Manipulate a bigger person into fighting her just so she can kill him and make it look like she was… more the good guy? Either she had a death wish all of a sudden or she underestimated just how violent Kenny really was.
The irony here is that she proves herself right... More than even she realized and the Kenny apologists go "its all her fault" showing that they have blinders on when it comes to Kenny. Kenny doesn't deserve to die for lashing out at everyone and turning increasingly violent yet Jane deserves to die for "manipulating" him into becoming violent.
Gosh could you imagine if Kenny was rational in that moment? She'd have no legs to stand on if he came back and asked her what happened and didn't lay a finger on her.
I mean gosh the Kenny lovers act like thats what he did anyway!
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Hahaha I love it. I bet Jane runs off and leaves Clem!
You are not even making sense. Its a game with multiple choice dialog options and you're claiming I didn't do a good enough job to be friends with Kenn?
Saved Duck and ignore Herschel's son? Check; Sided with him to kill Larry? Check; sided with him about leaving the motor inn? Check; Sided with him about leaving Ben? Check; Shooting Duck so he wouldn't have to? Check; talking him down instead of fighting him in the train? Check........... Please enlighten me. What did I do wrong? Because despite all that he says "What have you done for me lately?" and "You know Lee, I ask myself if it were my family in trouble and I needed your help would you be there? and I think you sure haven't lately"
Gosh with everything I've done for him... Its so CLEARLY my fault!
So running on ice, which clearly was not thick enough, and going to edge of hole in the ice and pulling Clem to the surface, and then carrying her (increasing the weight, thus making it more dangerous) on the ice which could collapse at any moment isnt risking your own life?
As a kid, i spent a lot of time playing around with thin ice with my friends in local small lake or swamps, and i can tell you that trying to lift your friend from side of a hole can easily cause it to break even more and make you fall to the water also.
Kenny was so blinded by anger, that he didnt care about Clementine freezing to death.
Well please do explain why im wrong?
What was i wrong about? That Ben and Jane were/are Clems friends, or that Kenny wants to murder her friends and doesnt care about Clementines opinion?
It is your fault it's more then just the big decisions! My first try Kenny was with me till the end I can't believe you played 3 times and couldn't get that.
Kenny attacked Jane and she defended herself; he ended up on top of her, forcing a knife into her face attempting to murder her. I liked & sympathised with him, in the past, but in that moment he absolutely needed to die (and he agreed). I don't understand the justification for shooting Jane in that situation. What she did to prove that Kenny was an out-of-control lunatic, I didn't agree with, but I was glad to forgive her. Clementine has far greater chances of survival with Jane than Kenny, who couldn't keep it together anymore. The paranoid fits of rage were becoming a fairly massive problem.
Kenny murdered Jane to protect Clem. He knows that she will leave to save her own skin if she was in trouble!
Good post.
Yes Kenny in my play through had also become a violent, self-absorbed bully. His relationship with Clem had become an abusive one.
lol another Kenny fan putting blinders on when it comes to him. I did get it once (not that it really matters) but only because I guilt tripped him into it. You most likely sided with Kenny on every single option making Lee nothing more than his groupie. Might as well have played as Kenny. I did play as Kenny's friend but I wasn't his brainless lackey who has to agree with every single fucking thing he says to make him like me. There's a point when its no longer your fault but the other person's.
Its not my fault if I bring Pizza and beer and he's fussy because I didn't get Icecream too!
I have to say, that this is the most stupidest thing ive heard from ANY Kenny fan.
"So running on ice, which clearly was not thick enough, and going to edge of hole in the ice and pulling Clem to the surface, and then carrying her (increasing the weight, thus making it more dangerous) on the ice which could collapse at any moment isnt risking your own life? " That was about the lake scene.
Plus she came back and saved Kennys life in the start of episode 5.
And Jane didnt leave people to get killed by herd in the end of 3rd episode.
Risked her own life to save luke and sarah, only to realize that sarah wouldnt survive anyway.
Some Kenny fans are just full of shit. Lying and trying to discredit everything Jane has done to Clem and the group.
So wait, you're saying the prisoner (Jane) was the bad person and not Troy? Really? She was trying to escape and she used what she could to try to get out. But in your world, Troy was the good guy being manipulated by the woman he was holding captive? Interesting view on life.
Well some Kenny fans are pretty delusional from time to time.
I sot Kenny because he was out of control, but then I left Jane because she has been a bch, better alone than with those sthreads.
Lee was his friend and you are supposed to have your friends back. Kenny had mine and definitely has my Clementines!
Again, don't leave comments if you don't know what you're talking about. Jane should not have left the group in the first place if she really cared about Clem. she is the reason why Arvo and his group attacked them of course she had to go back. If Clem were to die Jane would shrug it off while Kenny wouldn't let it down! Kenny is the one that cares for you more who has watched you grow since season 1 and felt pride in you! He is the one who would risk his life for you and AJ! That is the kind of person Kenny is and Jane will never be! That is not stupid!
P. S "the most stupidest thing" check your grammar before you call someone else stupid, retard!
Jane left the group because she started to care about Clementine, and she didnt want to see her die. She came back because she heard the gunshots and she realized that she wanted to stay with Clementine and the group (but Clem was 90% of the reason she came back, like she says).
Even if you dont steal from Arvo, their group attacks you... You shoud play the game before you debate.
And like ive replied before, Jane risks her own life to save Clem and other group members more than once.
Could you please stop ignoring all that FACTS ive told you, which we can actually see it the game?
ps. Whats with this childish insult in the end?
True Arvo and his group end up attacking the group but regardless if you return the medicine or not Jane puts a gun to his head and threatens him and his sister. You should know your facts!
Jane needed you to push her to go save sarah she wouldn't do it if it was up to her! She only cares about herself in the end! She abandoned her own sister what makes you think she won't abandon Clem if it comes to it?
Stop ignoring all of my FACTS which we can also see in the game
Sorry for the insult at the end it's just hard to get through to stupid Jane lovers!
You realize that for there to be a Clem focused S3, everything has to go to shit, right? So long as Clem is the protagonist, things will go wrong around her. That's the only way to make the story interesting. No matter what happens both Wellington and Howe's will prove to be unsafe and end with Clem and AJ on the move and without a guardian so she can meet the new cast of characters.
Immediately afterwards, Clem is freezing to death. While Jane is looking for wood for a fire, Kenny stands around and decides to beat up Arvo instead of look for supplies. He leaves the job of saving Clem's life to Jane so he can focus on what's important, beating kids up.
The new cast of characters are at Wellington. We are waiting for the stupid people who went with Jane to realize "hey, Kenny was right let's go!"
Oh yeah Jane would have really helped Shawn!
You seemed to forget when Jane was about to shoot innocent Arvo on the deck, until you stopped her! Then she puts a gun to his head and threatens him and his sister which leads to the rest of the group in danger of loosing their lives when his group finds them!
Kenny wanted Lee to leave several people for dead. Ben and Omid in Season 1 come to mind.
I'm against murder, yes, and I didn't murder Kenny. I killed him to prevent him murdering someone else in a fight he started and which served no purpose.
No matter what Jane did, attacking her was not a reasonable solution. Kenny doesn't have a right to beat people up whenever he feels like. Beating Jane up wasn't going to provide an answer for what had happened to AJ, and Jane wasn't an immediate danger to Clem that required she be incapacitated. Jane had a right to defend herself, and to resort to whatever means were necessary to keep someone else from harming her.
Since Kenny was stronger than her, pulling the knife out isn't escalation (as so many people claim). It's the only avenue open to her to protect herself. Escalation is when two people are on even footing and one raises the stakes to get the advantage. Jane and Kenny were not on even footing.
Saying that he attacked her because he made her angry doesn't justify his actions. Jane fucked up, it's true, but at the time all I knew was that something weird was going on, that Kenny refused to let Jane explain what had happened, and that after Jane put the knife down Kenny charged at her. As a consequence, he's in the wrong and once it becomes a matter of life and death, he's the one that has to be stopped.
Well i doubt that she was that cynical on the first weeks of zombie apocalypse and would have actually helped (we dont know that much about how she was like before the za).
And dont give that bullshit again about Jane not helping others.
How does killing Jane protect Clem then? If the only danger Jane poses is "not helping at some future point in time", killing her just makes that future point in time be "now". So instead of not having Jane around to help later, you're never going to have her around to help.
If you'd "protected" Clem from her like that before, Jane wouldn't have been around to come back and save Kenny from the Russian dude and Kenny would be dead.
Kenny tries to murder Jane (and gets shot) because he was angry. Not because he was thinking about Clem. Just as he beats up Arvo before because he was angry, while Clem was freezing to death. And just as he hits Clem when she tries to stop him.
Which just guarantees that Wellington is going to be overrun by zombies and crazy people. The longer you can stay away the better.
And maybe he could have gotten out without Bonnie breaking the ice too, but he doesn't hit Bonnie. And it doesn't answer the fact that even if Arvo was responsible, hitting him doesn't make the situation better. Considering that in some games Clem might be freezing to death, it actually makes the situation worse. He could have been trying to find wood for the fire, or something to start the fire with, but instead he starts hitting a kid.
That's hilariously disproved by Jane letting people in to Howe's if you don't make a decision...
I do fear that TellTale will do something horrible in order to move Clem to Wellington... And by something horrible I mean destroy Jane's character and all the changes that occurred during season 2, in order to force Clem to Wellington.
Wow, you're going to completely ignore that Kenny left Clem to freeze to death so he could focus on beating Arvo? Seriously? Yeah, Kenny really has Clem's safety at the top of his mind. That's why he also smacks you in the face if you try to stop him from hurting Arvo. He's just so concerned for your safety. He'd jump into a freezing lake for you, but won't stop beating a kid for two seconds to make you warm and dry.
As for the situation in the deck, Jane fucked up. She made two mistakes all season, and that was one of them. However, it's important to note that when you ask her not to do it, she listens to you. When you ask Kenny not to do something, he ignores you.
And if we're going to bring that up, we can also bring up the fact that Lee dies and Clementine is kidnapped because Kenny insisted on robbing the stranger.
What Jane did to her sister was justified and merciful. She forced her to live way too long and on the roof, she couldnt do anything anymore to save her. If Clementine would give up and wanted to die, She would probably do the same as she did with her sister, force her to keep going until situation came ahead, where she cant save her and force Clem to keep going.
I dont love Jane, i just like her worldview and way she acts more than Kennys, since its very similar to mine and i found her character easy to relate to.
get the fuck outta here both of you. shawn was a fucking man, again Kenny saved his kid, no one could've saved that idiot. larry situation was ehh cuz that shit he had he needed medicine he was going to die of that sooner than later, specially with his temper. but in moment of desperation and everything its kinda explained, but still its also on us too. bitch was death your choice too, good plan that like always still blows up. no one wanted to kill Ben more than me. Kenny didn't kill him even when he told what he did, Kenny could've easily shot him. and I killed ben myself. EVER. GODDAMN. TIME. ALL THOSE SEASON ONE DEATHS ARE ALL TRACED BACK TO THAT SHITBIRD. Clem pitied Ben. she didn't want anyone killed.and that number 6 clearly shows me you're an idiot. carver, a violent fuck so forgive Kenny for trying something. again how would YOU react??? ohh wait, you probably would have kill the baby. and by just looking for this reply I saw like 100 post of you, im going to guess saying Kenny is a piece of shit, so im not wasting my time anymore with you anymore. not only that you just told me last time you just barely started playing the game. you clearly just hate him for no reason. you ignore all the facts of how someone that was broken and that little hope was made believed that hope was dead. and again it was just manipulation. again like I said I guess you love getting lied to.
so i'ma leave that at this... I don't give a fuck anymore what you got to say or ANYONE'S opinion on this choice cuz its yours and I don't give a shit about your clem, as I only see my clem as thee #myclementine
Ive played first season through 4 times and 2nd season 3 times. I played 2nd season through again few nights ago, and you must have misread what i said.
Shawn got stuck because of Duck. Duck was saved by Kenny and possibly Lee, and then Kenny just left Lee alone to save Shawn. Ben was friend of Clem... I really doubt that 8 years girl could feel pity towards anyone.
I dont hate Kenny, even if his attitude is complete shit most of the times, but i wouldnt let Kenny repeat the mistake Lilly and Lee did. Killing someone in anger.
Yeah but don't you see Kenny would never just leave Clem. Well I guess Kenny was right when he called out Jane. "In the end still only care about yourself"
Kenny was protecting Clem he doesn't trust her with Clem after "killing" the baby! He knows she just cares about herself and would have no problem leaving Clem if she was in danger!
Jane is the one who brought the Russians to the group so yeah it's her fault that they could have all been killed!
Kenny is only thinking of Clem he has nothing else to live for! He should have killed Arvo not just beat him up. In my game I didn't try to stop him why the hell would you?
Um yeah. I wish Kenny killed Arvo right there! He knew he was trouble and in the end he shoots Clementine. She would be fine if he had killed Arvo so yeah Clem's safety was at the top of his mind. Jane however keeps regretting that she came back and is ready to leave when things get dangerous for her!
Ok agreed Jane fucked up. Kenny is usually right and you should listen to him. There is no need to go against him.
Robbing the strangers was a group choice and they needed it. They saw no one around and took it. Jane wanted to rob, No kill Arvo, then rob him even when he begged about his sister she still wanted to take the meds!
OMG I Hate Jane coz she's a pyscho DDDDDDDuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!
let der be haters in this thread and forever shit
So i let kenny kill jane so i can dance yeahhhh biatch
OMFG Staph... most of the threads are getting fucking annoying
You can convince Jane to let Arvo go with all his stuff (except gun obviously), but they still try to rob Clementines group.
Jane should have killed Arvo. It would have saved their group completely from russian invasion.
Jane was ready to fight to the death so she could keep Clem safe. How is that running away when things get dangerous for her?
Oh My Gad Kenny and His Fans went overboard shit
It was not about Jane manipulating Kenny to kill him and show she was the good guy, but about Jane manipulating Kenny into a fight which she didn´t brother to stop-what prevented her for running past Kenny to the car when they were outside the Rest Stop, open the door and show him AJ is alive and let Clem make her mind about both of them instead of trying to kill Kenny with the knife?-when she already ‘proved’ all she had to ‘prove’, so the situation escalated to attempted murder. Jane was the reason for the fight, the one that drew first blood, the only one that could stop the fight and didn´t. So, yes, she deserved to be killed.
She doesn´t prove anything about Kenny, just that he has violent reactions when is family or those that he cares about get killed or endangered, something that is evident in the two seasons. And is no more that she ever realized, don’t give me that shit.
Kenny: ‘I fucking kill you.’
Jane: ‘I knew you would.’
At really, you call not lashing out a rational response when Kenny lost Sarita less that two days ago and no he thinks AJ died? What did you expect, seriously? That he ask her for every detail and tell her to draw him a diagram? That shows how blind you really are.
Also Kenny fans don’t act like Kenny stayed calm and asked Jane what happened. We know he has his flaws, but when it comes down to it Jane was more at wrong in that situation. The figth was started by Jane, she drew first blood and could have killed Kenny right there with that slash of the knife even when she had proven all she wanted to prove, showing that she intended to kill Kenny since she came to the Rest Stop.