Not a very hard choice after all...

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  • People usually fail to realize that Arvo will try to rob your group, no matter what happens. You can let Arvo leave with all his supplies.

    Jiggawats posted: »

    And in action... Jane set off Arvo, causing the Russians to attack. Jane was 1/2 of the reason Luke was not watching for Walkers, thus lead

  • edited September 2014

    After the failed attack on the prison in the final of season 3, when the citizens of Woodbury who participated in the assault refused to go back and re-attack the prison, and started running in fear, the Governor gunned them down in cold-blood.
    Innocent people, whom he claimed to care for, he murdered them when they were to scared to do as he demanded.

    And how about killing innocent survivors for their supplies, like he did with that military unit?
    And how about those heads, both walkers and humans, that he kept in aquariums as trophies?
    That is not what I would call a good man!
    But rather a dangerous and depraved man.

    Now Rick, on the other hand, took the remaining survivors of Woodbury in.
    Gave them a home.
    And he TRULY did try to keep his people safe.
    Rick also stated that he was wrong, to act like a dictator of the group.
    And at the beginning of the next Season, it was shown they had designed a group-counsel, consisting of Rick, Daryl, Herschel, and Marchonne.

    Rick was not The Governor!
    Same as Kenny was not Carver.

    zykelator posted: »

    How is Governor bad? He was doing exactly what Rick was doing. Taking care of his own...

  • Killing a strong survivor to save a weaker one isn't a good choice rationally but we all have our favorites and made our choices to fit with what we wanted or thought would happen. Understandable. I am a scruffy Older single father who saw what kenny was underneath it all but others view it differently. We all have opinions.

    zykelator posted: »

    There is no morally right choice, but Jane worldview is more rational/objective (just like mine), and i would side with her if she wanted to leave the baby behind. We are alike and thats why i pick her.

  • Governor had just lost the last chance to win prison and he was broken. Surely killing few people was justified. Did you not see that something just snapped inside him? He felt betrayed after his own people disagreed with him.

    These Kenny arguments work well with every serial killer.

    Kenny/Lee posted: »

    After the failed attack on the prison in the final of season 3, when the citizens of Woodbury who participated in the assault refused to go

  • Strong survivor... Kenny is alive only because he was magically resurrected by the writers... Kenny isnt strong survivor, just writers favorite.

    Killing a strong survivor to save a weaker one isn't a good choice rationally but we all have our favorites and made our choices to fit with

  • Just because the light was still on in the car, didn't prove anything one way or the other.
    It didn't prove the family was still alive, or that they were coming back.

    ErenCoral posted: »

    As I said before Kenny took the supplies out of selfishness. He knew there was a family but he didn't care about them. Also the supplies were brand new and the car had a light switched on. They knew there was a family.

  • dat kenny arguments are somehow really weak.

  • edited September 2014

    I strongly disagree.
    I'm a Kenny fan, and I strive to be a reasonable person.
    And I always strive to always present my arguments for Kenny's defense in a calm, rational, and respectful manner.
    And to not resort to insulting others when I disagree with them.
    And all I ask in return is that others show me the same courtesy.

    zykelator posted: »

    Kenny fans cant give rational arguments, only emotional bullshit.

  • edited September 2014

    I meant physically strong as without Clems help Jane is unable to stop Kenny and gets stabbed in the heart. Jane was weak and unable to kill the guy so is killed herself. Why bring up the writers...You are not making sense and are just trying to prove you are right which just isn't true. Kenny kills Jane in the fight even if Clem doesn't ever do anything during the fight. Jane was not able to kill Kenny in any ending...she always loses no matter what! She can be saved but she doesn't ever win the fight without Clem!

    #FactChecker

    zykelator posted: »

    Strong survivor... Kenny is alive only because he was magically resurrected by the writers... Kenny isnt strong survivor, just writers favorite.

  • So if what you are saying, is that if 2 equally strong people start fighting, and one of them wins, the other one magically becomes the weaker one? Even heard thing called luck. Kenny has had his share of luck over the episodes.

    And of course a man in mid 40's is physically stronger than girl in mid 20's.

    Just like with Lee and Molly fight, the outcome depends on how lucky you got with avoiding her punches.

    I meant physically strong as without Clems help Jane is unable to stop Kenny and gets stabbed in the heart. Jane was weak and unable to kill

  • edited September 2014

    To quote Lee: "Killing is bad; no matter what."
    Killing innocent people is always wrong!
    And those people with the Governor, were just scared.
    They weren't soldiers or nothing like that.
    They were just average people.

    And that deal with the Governor, that was all about control.
    Nothing more.

    zykelator posted: »

    Governor had just lost the last chance to win prison and he was broken. Surely killing few people was justified. Did you not see that someth

  • edited September 2014

    I'd far rather be building a small community at Howe's with Jane. Don't know why people keep justifying going off with a violent, emotion-driven loose cannon in the driving snow, with hardly any supplies, to a place that might not even exist, when a supply cache was already known to be elsewhere (Howe's), and ending up at a horribly overcrowded enclave filled with strangers, one that won't even let all three of them in, and consider that to be a reasonable choice.

    Lemoncakes posted: »

    * Kenny gets Clem to Wellington. ...that's it. Don't know why people keep explaining why they made the wrong decision to go without Kenny. It's really weird.

  • They defend Kenny, because people are so emotionally attached to his character, that they dont care if he murders others. I didnt expect that so many people would identify with emotion-driven, unstable murderer.

    Elistra posted: »

    I'd far rather be building a small community at Howe's with Jane. Don't know why people keep justifying going off with a violent, emotion-dr

  • Yup, pretty much. Disappointing, isn't it?

    zykelator posted: »

    They defend Kenny, because people are so emotionally attached to his character, that they dont care if he murders others. I didnt expect that so many people would identify with emotion-driven, unstable murderer.

  • Yeah... I just cant understand why people would side with Lilly/Kenny,

    Elistra posted: »

    Yup, pretty much. Disappointing, isn't it?

  • People are only trying to justify their own actions and be told that they weren't wrong or stupid or irrational or emotional but that they made the choices that seemed right for them in that moment just as you and everyone else did.

    The sooner we start to respect that other opinions besides our own are valid the quicker fights will halt and conversation about a great game with many different choices that can literally change how you look at the game when you're done. We were all Clem and we all have a story and nobody got a fucking bad ending:)

    #OurClementine

    Elistra posted: »

    I'd far rather be building a small community at Howe's with Jane. Don't know why people keep justifying going off with a violent, emotion-dr

  • I did was seemed more rational, and it turned out to be morally right also (in my books).

    I dont defend murderers, and thats why i left Lilly behind and killed Kenny. Even without the whole Jane accident, Kenny should have been left behind but after he tried to murder her, he deserved to die.

    People are only trying to justify their own actions and be told that they weren't wrong or stupid or irrational or emotional but that they m

  • edited September 2014

    Why is Lilly now thrown in this mix? You don't really get to side with her after she kills Doug/Carley. I don't think too many people were emotionally attached to her after that. Some maybe but she was painted as the bad guy in both scenarios. She wasn't really mentally there enough to be carrying a gun. Thats why Lilly looks just as shocked after she shoots because I'm sure it wasn't planned out it was just a quick thought in a loose mind.

    zykelator posted: »

    Yeah... I just cant understand why people would side with Lilly/Kenny,

  • So if you would have know Lilly for longer, her killing Carley/Doug would then have been ok? Kenny fans are trying to justifty his behaviour only because they are emotionally attached to Kenny. Im sure there are some idiots who are on Lillys side.

    Was Lilly murdering Carley justified, just because Carley provoked Lilly? If not, then neither is Kenny murdering Jane.

    Why is Lilly now thrown in this mix? You don't really get to side with her after she kills Doug/Carley. I don't think too many people were e

  • edited September 2014

    Today is my 38th birthday, and I'll share something that I wish to hell someone had told me thirty years ago:

    The more you exclude people you don't respect from your life, the happier you'll be.

    The solution is not to put on a big happy face and "tolerate" everyone until you either explode with frustration or develop some kind of addiction in an effort to cope with their bullshit. Rather, the solution is to recognize you have the right (and the responsibility) to safeguard your own quality of life and happiness by acting with discernment as regards who you choose to associate with.

    Anyone calls you "judgmental" or tries to shame you for exercising this right, toss them on your mental "doesn't get it" pile and just keep on keeping on. You don't owe anyone an apology for having healthy personal boundaries. Period.

    How does this pertain to Kenny and the Walking Dead?

    In real life or in a game, I choose not to associate with ....

    ... drama whores.

    ... reckless and impulsive people.

    ... bullies and abusers.

    ... people who can't think logically.

    ... people who don't take responsibility for their actions.

    Bye, Kenny.

    People are only trying to justify their own actions and be told that they weren't wrong or stupid or irrational or emotional but that they m

  • I just came here debate, because i used to debate a lot online but got sick of it. Now im just getting bored because people dont listen and they dont even have all the facts before they start to debate.

    Main reason i came here was that i didnt think so many would actually pick Kenny, and was a bit shocked. but on the other hand, majority of humans are pretty stupid/irrational (the reason world is like this), so i guess its not that big suprise after all.

    Elistra posted: »

    Today is my 38th birthday, and I'll share something that I wish to hell someone had told me thirty years ago: The more you exclude people

  • You just can't be wrong huh?

    Lilly wasn't justified killing either Carley or doug or even Ben (with doug she aims at ben but he blocks) I'm just saying there was never a forgive Lilly option. you either left her or not and she leaves you.

    Kenny isn't justified in saying Drop Ben or leave people or even killing Jane.

    When there are so few people every loss is unacceptable and no murder is justified.

    But at the same time think about this Lee went after the stranger to get Clem back. He had a car and was healthy while also being not bit unlike Lee yet Lee will try to kill the stranger to get Clem back. Is that the best choice? Is Clem safer with a healthy man than with a dying one? It doesn't matter to Lee because he kills/will try to kill the stranger just so Clem isn't taken from him.

    Now Jane was also a healthy better choice for Clem but Kenny wasn't going to let someone he thought was crazy take a girl he has come to love so much that he even gives Clem peace while he's dying if you shoot him. Which is right? The answer is neither/both. Choices are choices and thats it. It's a choice and an opinion and a viewpoint of one person.

    zykelator posted: »

    So if you would have know Lilly for longer, her killing Carley/Doug would then have been ok? Kenny fans are trying to justifty his behaviour

  • Well to be honest, the Stranger wasnt healthy. He had her wifes head on a fucking bowling ball bag.

    You just can't be wrong huh? Lilly wasn't justified killing either Carley or doug or even Ben (with doug she aims at ben but he blocks) I

  • too bad they are.

    TDMshadowCP posted: »

    Telltale doesn't like to be predictable

  • edited September 2014

    Yes, which is one of the big reasons why rigorous gatekeeping is so vital.

    zykelator posted: »

    I just came here debate, because i used to debate a lot online but got sick of it. Now im just getting bored because people dont listen and

  • Fair point but still even before then he argues against it no matter what option you pick unless you stay silent...still tho the scene plays out like Lee won't back down no matter what the guys says as he's already made up his mind about who stranger is.

    zykelator posted: »

    Well to be honest, the Stranger wasnt healthy. He had her wifes head on a fucking bowling ball bag.

  • Well to Lee, Clementine was her daughter and Stranger was standing on his way.

    Kenny just wanted his revenge for a thing Jane didnt even do. Jane just showed that you cant reason with him.

    But i have to go now. Got some games to play and ive been spending way too much time here in these 2 days anyway.

    Fair point but still even before then he argues against it no matter what option you pick unless you stay silent...still tho the scene plays

  • Horrible advice!

    If someone doesn't agree with you FUCK THEM?? How very ignorant of you. Many people can't be excluded such as boss, family, neighbors!! You either learn to deal with others opinions and views or look forward to be an unhappy shut in or a happy shut in (neither leads to a good fulfilling life)

    And if game/forum arguments are getting to be too much close the tab and do something different. You don't have to like or even respect everyones views but everyone has them and most are different. Grow up and Happy B-day. Sorry for slamming you.

    Elistra posted: »

    Today is my 38th birthday, and I'll share something that I wish to hell someone had told me thirty years ago: The more you exclude people

  • Ok I disagree with you but have fun away from the forums. It's been rough for a few days here.

    zykelator posted: »

    Well to Lee, Clementine was her daughter and Stranger was standing on his way. Kenny just wanted his revenge for a thing Jane didnt even

  • edited September 2014

    See what I mean? this is the kind of thing you will have to deal with, from people who don't like the fact that you're exercising your right of free association to lead a happier, more fulfilling life.

    ==> If your boss is that horrible (bully, can't think logically, drama whore, etc) why would you not find a new job ASAP and get away from that person? Masochist, afraid you can't do any better, or what?

    ==> If you have a toxic family member... well, have you ever heard of "tough love"? Ask the family of a recovering alcoholic about it, sometime. Nobody has the right to expect you to enable their bullshit, and it's better for them in the long term if you don't.

    ==> If your neighbor is an asshole and you can't stand them, why would you want to be friends in the first place?

    I have friends, yes. Good, decent people who I respect and enjoy the company of, and who respect me and enjoy my company as well. What I don't have is a social worker's caseload masquerading as a social life, and as to have that, I'd rather be alone.

    Horrible advice! If someone doesn't agree with you FUCK THEM?? How very ignorant of you. Many people can't be excluded such as boss, fami

  • For me it was easy to pick Kenny to live. Wont rewind and see what other endings were, dont need to.

  • edited September 2014

    You said "The more you exclude people you don't respect from your life, the happier you'll be." which is not good advice. Also if others opinions affect you so bad that you just cut them all out is the same as a child saying lalalalala I don't hear you. Not saying you can't cut some toxic people off but IRL you deal with problems or avoid them Either choice is valid I suppose. Just not great advice is all I was saying.

    Elistra posted: »

    See what I mean? this is the kind of thing you will have to deal with, from people who don't like the fact that you're exercising your right

  • edited September 2014

    How is it not good advice? I'm not a codependent, nor do I have any desire to be. It is not my responsibility to be friends with people I find repugnant, nor is it my responsibility to "fix" them.

    Leading a happy, productive life of my own? Now that IS my responsibility, and that's what I do.

    When you live this way, you're not "avoiding a problem" or "lalalalala, I can't hear you", because it was never YOUR problem in the first place. It is their problem, their responsibility, not yours.

    Stand aside, and let THEM own it. Don't let them try to make it your problem, because it isn't.

    You said "The more you exclude people you don't respect from your life, the happier you'll be." which is not good advice. Also if others opi

  • Have fun with your sociopath Clementine/Kenny relationship.

    For me it was easy to pick Kenny to live. Wont rewind and see what other endings were, dont need to.

  • Again with these type of comments, I'm onto you. Trolling comments this person is trolling comments BEWARE!!!

    It's better than going with a girl who loses a fight to a one eyed guy when she has a knife thats almost close to being a sword.

    zykelator posted: »

    Have fun with your sociopath Clementine/Kenny relationship.

  • Some people just dont get this. i dont have to tolerate idiots in real life, i can just not make them part of my life.

    Elistra posted: »

    How is it not good advice? I'm not a codependent, nor do I have any desire to be. It is not my responsibility to be friends with people I fi

  • i will do thanks for your best wishes

    zykelator posted: »

    Have fun with your sociopath Clementine/Kenny relationship.

  • You have stated in one thread that you will annoy people on purpose, just to see if you could get them want to murder you.

    Again with these type of comments, I'm onto you. Trolling comments this person is trolling comments BEWARE!!! It's better than going with a girl who loses a fight to a one eyed guy when she has a knife thats almost close to being a sword.

  • See I kind of agree with that. If people are losers bullys drug addict whatevers but I'm talking about dealing with people in general and who knows how old that person you gave the advice to was. I'm a parent and deciding to cut people out of your life is a decision that should be made as an adult with the right mindset. Kid's aren't rational and that's why this is so much bitter hatred floating around here. This is a forum we all choose whether we stay or click away. Ignoring others opinions may be your choice but then I have to ask why be here. I love reading all these different views from all these different people. It lets me know that I'm not the only one obsessed with this game even if I don't agree with everything everyone says.

    IRL you wouldn't hold a conversation with someone you have nothing in common with but that's what's great about online. Its risk free as if you get bothered you can just stop reading instead of exploding on someone.

    I don't hate you and I'm sorry if you hate me. Not my intention at all.

    Elistra posted: »

    How is it not good advice? I'm not a codependent, nor do I have any desire to be. It is not my responsibility to be friends with people I fi

  • I did say that. All I have done though was stated my opinion. I only basically just read what you write and reply with the exact opposite because that's what you do and you wont let others have an opinion that differs from yours without telling them they are wrong irrational or a sociopath.

    I told you before if you stopped so would I. Respect people don't always share the same view that you do and stop criticizing. Thats how it stops, not just switching threads to post nastiness elsewhere. Hope this doesn't continue because I do like reading some of your less judgey comments.

    zykelator posted: »

    You have stated in one thread that you will annoy people on purpose, just to see if you could get them want to murder you.

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