Leaving someone cornered by zombies is practically telling him "I won't save you, I don't care about you enough to do my best and get you out of here alive."
Miracles happen in real life too, besides, Lilly was there when Larry had heart attacks multiple times, I think she would know if she can save him or not.
And no, he couldn't have survived that heart attack, I may lack knowledge, but that is true.
You could see that he died and she just did … moreeverything she could to save him, I helped her, but at the time it was just as an effort, I knew he's dead anyway and I was mad at Kenny for killing him so soon, but in the end, he did a legitimate thing, Larry was dead.
To be completely honest, as soon as I read "Regardless of everything that happened during the fight," I felt like throwing myself out of the window. So Lee killing the stranger was completely out of place because he was defensless at that time? so was Christa shooting the bandit that killed Omid, I mean, she dropped her gun and said she didn't mean it!. You can't be this dense, don't you get it? Jane would've done exactly the same. They both wanted to kill each other, there was no stopping until one of them died or maybe there would've been if Jane had admitted she fucking hide the baby, putting AJ's integrity in danger but that wouldn't benefit her at all, oh no. So she created the perfect scenario to get rid of Kenny while making herself look like the damn victim, Kenny's anger was justified in every sense. You don't pull that shit on people.
It was self defense though, you know why? because she had tried to kill him with a SHARP OBJECT moments before. You see, She aggravated the whole situation by drawing out her knife when Kenny attacked her in the same fashion he had attacked Mike. She turned the battle into a death statement when she tried to kill Kenny by cutting his stomach. She was an active threat and she wouldn't stop until she was killed. If you still don't understand let me give you an example. I'm being persecuted by a crazy person who's trying to kill me, they fall and drop their weapon, so I take it, immobilize the offender with it and proceed to kill them because otherwise, they'd still go after me. That must make me the worst criminal in your eyes, because you don't consider intent behind action.
And killing Kenny is just as bad as murder. Killing anyone in a situation were both participants were actively trying to kill each other is bad, the sane thing to do would be try to separate them and calm things down, but they didn't give you that choice in the end.
Regardless of everything that happened during the fight, putting someone in a defenseless position and killing them is not okay in my eyes. … moreThere was no reason for Jane to die, Kenny thought she killed the baby. You shouldn't murder someone because you thought they killed a baby, and even if someone did do just that, I wouldn't want to murder them. In my opinion Kenny looked positively evil in those seconds when he was on top of Jane. Anyone would to me if they were doing what he was doing. I'm not a Kenny hater, I love Kenny, so leave that shit out of your inevitable retort.
Voluntary manslaughter and killing in self-defense are not the same thing and shouldn't be pieced together like that. Killing in self-defense is considered a "justifiable homicide". It would be "justifiable" if Jane was about to stab him in the eye or something, and he grabbed Clementine's gun and shot her. It was not justifiable, unfortunately, because Jane was alrea… [view original content]
After reading through this thread, I felt a little brave enough to register and pitch in my two cents. I'm not quite sure where I'm gonna end up going with this, as my thoughts about these things tend to be a bit disorganized, so please bear with me.
I'll start off by saying I really liked Kenny and Jane based off of their relationship with Clem-- admittedly, there were times I disliked their overall, individual characters-- and with that said, I absolutely cannot deny they both had their faults. Some faults can be justified, such as Kenny bashing in Larry's head to prevent him from reanimating, as well as Jane leaving her sister behind if you see that situation in a certain way, while other faults just can't be warranted for.
A similarity I draw between both Kenny and Jane's characters deal with their relationships with AJ and Clementine, respectively. I believe they saw a second chance in them, in the way that Kenny was devoted to having a fresh start as a father figure to a "son" after Duck's passing, and also in the way Jane (most likely) saw her sister in Clem, thus being devoted towards not allowing a similar fate to happen to the person closest to her after her sister. Jane didn't want Clem to be left in the hands of someone she viewed as a dangerous person, while Kenny thought the same about Jane with the addition of AJ as well. They clashed horribly with each other due to the fact they had a similar goal: to protect the people who meant the most to them at that point by all costs, by any means necessary, however, they only trusted themselves to care for and look after them, rather than trusting each other.
This particular goal sparks Jane to hide AJ in the car with an expectation of Kenny's reaction already in mind, all to prove to Clementine that she'd be better off with her. This is where my opinion starts forming. AJ is extremely important to Kenny; he expresses multiple times throughout Episode 4 and 5 that he'd like to serve as a great father figure to him (or something to that effect). Jane isn't ignorant about what happened to Kenny's family and loved ones. By implying that "AJ's death" happened under her watch, even by accident, opens a very sensitive wound, causing Kenny to lash out and start the fight. This was undoubtedly his breaking point. It's possible that Jane hadn't thought about her plan very well beforehand, especially due to her viewpoint on the whole "people dying in the apocalypse" situation, which is something like "that's just how it is", a viewpoint different from Kenny's. To put it simply, I think "killing off" the baby was way, way out of line, however, I don't condone Kenny's impulsive decision to murder her, either, if you went with that choice. (This paragraph is very weirdly worded on my part, so I apologize for that)
In other words, I prefer Kenny's endings over Jane's, but I don't hate Jane, either; her plan was just very, very not well thought out. It could also be argued, if the situation were flipped and Kenny "killed off" Clementine to drive away Jane, her reaction would be very similar, due to the similarity of their goals and relationship with Clem.
(If this was a confusing read, I don't blame you, because this was a little confusing for me to write, too)
Try to form proper sentences. It was quite hard to read your message.
He can't, it's not his fault, that insult wasn't in place and neither everything you've said to date, you are ignorant.
I don't believe anything the bible says, but I still believe there might be a God, because again, religion was made by the people, it is not the word of God.
Try to form proper sentences. It was quite hard to read your message.
God of the gaps huh? That is pretty lame argument.
Every human (… morehealthy in mind) can feel sympathy/empathy towards other humans and even some other animals and thats were we get out moral values from. You could say that you got yours from old dusty book, but i seriously doubt that, because bible is full of crazy, immoral stuff.
Ok, I'm bringing up "irrelevant" topics that you said... I'm saying Clem doesn't have a guardian. Sure "Crazy Kenny" doesn't translate to "… moreEvil Kenny." I get that. It was just when you said Jane killed Clem's guardian was what got my attention. And I don't really want to get into an argument with a Kenny fan that will go on forever
You're getting internet hurt because I argued my point using masterful logic, while in an overall euphoric state of mind.
Oh forgive me for my sins master, your masterful logic had gotten the better of me (LOL).
You didn't use masterful logic, you used the internet to find words like aforementioned and put them in your sentence to make it look like "masterful logic", DAMN you're smug.
You're getting internet hurt because I argued my point using masterful logic, while in an overall euphoric state of mind.
EDIT: He said K… moreenny was just as defenseless as Jane "at that point", that wasn't true and I simply explained why I believe this using aforementioned masterful logic.
Would you be able to stab the one person you cared about with a knife or shoot her with a gun that easy if you had no other options but to leave her with only a limited amount of time?
If you are so sure that God doesn't exist, why are you so bent on proving it? Shouldn't you be confident enough in your thoughts that He isn't real, and just let others believe what they choose? Or is your goal to convert people to your religion, Atheism? Seriously, I understand that you are a very cynical individual, but don't go taking it out on others.
You seem to not understand the meaning of word "fact". Facts in science are the most likely right answer. Absolute facts claim to be 100… more% true. Scientific facts are never claimed to be 100% true, thus they can change if we gain new information.
Educate yourself...
You did call me an asshole before it became personal, even if it's only "when it comes to Jane".
I am vulgar, but it doesn't mean I'm offending people, it's just how I talk, I like to mix in the word "fuck" and "shit" sometimes because it helps get the point across, and it's too bad that you had to take that anger out on me.
I'm just one man, I can't read everything here and write scrolls to each and every one of you, that's why I sometimes make those comments you mentioned, not because I lack the answer, I believe I argued with a lot on this thread beforehand.
Whatever, I just don't have the energy to explain myself anymore, I'm sure other people in this thread had defended Kenny better than I do and can continue me from here.
I'm not superior, or 'angry' (More annoyed. shrug)
I called you an asshole when it comes to Jane because when I see you constantly, you go … moreto argue against Jane in the majority of situations I see you in. You didn't even bring up your own points against Kenny and instead told me to go look for one of your threads in.
I didn't call you an asshole personally until you took it out of context and became an asshole to me specifically.
You construe the fact I'm busy doing things sometimes, as a lack of retort. And honestly look at what you post.
Parenthesis around other parts of sentences to give them more context.
* Are you fucking kidding me? (He could've taken the spot for himself...)
* I knew you'd take it that way. (Gods can't be compared to an actual place you can prove to be true...)
* God, you're more ignorant and close minded than I thought. (It's for respect, and you have blindfolds...)
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"Ben caused the death of his family." - Is that a reason to want someone dead so bad?
Yes, even though in the end he wasted his last bullet on Ben just to make sure he doesn't go in a painful way, instead of using it on himself, so don't tell me that he isn't good on this case.
"That dumb shitbird deserved it", "It's either us or them" - Please. All your posts bring up how humanity should always be the priority (with the baby and Jane's sister), yet now you're saying sometimes you have to be rational? Doesn't that seem a bit hypocritical?
The difference is that Arvo deserved to be hurt, he caused deaths, he will be punished, so no I'm not hypocritical.
"You can never know the outcome of your choices, you can only believe you made the right call." - This means that the "SHE MANIPOLATED U teh baby was always alive wow such a bitch" argument falls flat immediately, right? Fine by me. Also destroys any argument involving Ben, who never meant to do any harm.
No, doesn't give you an excuse to make the stupidest most rash call like she did, there other ways to prove what she did without breaking a man's heart.
"He helps you if you mention family" - He sure does, but as soon as you refuse to let him murder Larry, he doesn't even try to help you with Danny in the barn. Also, I might be wrong on this one, but if you don't obsessively side with him, he won't help you when you're stuck under the door at the beginning of ep. 3. The examples can go on.
Ok, I mostly agree, still doesn't get remotely close to what Jane did to him.
You can't say beating Carver to death wasn't sheer revenge. He shoots both of his legs before that, when he could've just shot him in the head and be done with it.
That isn't a good argument, looking at some of the things in the comics Rick did to the Hunters and such, I'd say he was rather easy on him, he just wanted Carver to feel pain and be punished, he deserved it.
His state of denial before stopping the train is a clear sign of hyocrisy, He's sure he made the right thing with Larry, but as soon as his kid's clearly not gonna make it, "he's not like the others, he'll be fine".
His son was on a deathbed, how he reacted is relatively normal.
Generally speaking, I absolutely do not care whether anyone picked Kenny or Jane, just don't be a prick about it with the whole "truth", "bad endings", "wrong choices" and such. Believe it or not, not everything revolves around you and your thought process.
Bullshit, I never said what I did is the absolute truth, don't shove words and ideas I ridicule into my mouth.
"Ben caused the death of his family." - Is that a reason to want someone dead so bad?
"That dumb shitbird deserved it", "It's either us o… morer them" - Please. All your posts bring up how humanity should always be the priority (with the baby and Jane's sister), yet now you're saying sometimes you have to be rational? Doesn't that seem a bit hypocritical?
"You can never know the outcome of your choices, you can only believe you made the right call." - This means that the "SHE MANIPOLATED U teh baby was always alive wow such a bitch" argument falls flat immediately, right? Fine by me. Also destroys any argument involving Ben, who never meant to do any harm.
"He helps you if you mention family" - He sure does, but as soon as you refuse to let him murder Larry, he doesn't even try to help you with Danny in the barn. Also, I might be wrong on this one, but if you don't obsessively side with him, he won't help you when you're stuck under the do… [view original content]
From my point of view, I'd rather stay with Kenny. Can't pull the trigger to shoot him, cause he's my friend. Even a family to my Clem. When Luke asked what's the most important thing in life that would makes you go back even if it's dangerous, I answered directly: 'family'. That's what Kenny would do but Jane would never do, remember what happened to her sister? I may sound selfish to care only people who close to me but doesn't entirely emotional that I stay at Wellington with AJ. Kenny at least doesn't die and the world is open for him. He also got a bag of supply with a chance to come back again after few months if he survives.
But then again, I remembered I heard someone said that revenge isn't the strongest motivation in this world, love is. So, with Kenny you may be not the lone-wolf survivor but doesn't mean your chance of survival any less cause you would do ANYTHING if it's for the ones you love. That's why I chose Kenny and makes sure Clem and AJ stayed in a safer camp (Wellington). The ending feels with higher sense of closure and actually much more moving to me. I have seen anywhere people who chose Jane feels a bit regret of their choice and slightly prefer to choose Kenny's ending. There are also people who chose to leave Jane alone out of anger. I just never seen people who chose Kenny WANTS or WISHES a different ending.
Maybe because AJ is a few days old baby and the car was far for warm?
It was the safest and warmest place close to her.
The car was a lot warmer that outside, yes, but you are ignoring that the baby could freeze to death even in the car and ignoring that if the babies cries were audible in the Rest Stop the walkers, which are super sensitive to sound, could hear him easily, break the window and bite him.
And the zombies are frozen -_- AJ wasn't gonna get bitten.
How is a baby gonna freeze to death in a car? It was the safest and warmest place close to her. And the zombies are frozen -_- AJ wasn't gonna get bitten.
And holy shit did this go far...
Throwing yourself out of a window because of butt anger is an idiotic thing to do. I don't even know where to start, so I guess I'll just break it down.
So Lee killing the stranger was completely out of place because he was defensless at that time? so was Christa shooting the bandit that killed Omid, I mean, she dropped her gun and said she didn't mean it!.
Lee killing the stranger was justified, because the stranger was an immediate threat to Lee's life, if Lee did nothing, the stranger would've killed him, nothing, not Lee nor Clementine would have persuaded him to act otherwise. Think about it this way, if you do not strangle the stranger, he gains the upper hand and begins to strangle you. Compare the merely visual aspects of this scene (so don't cry about, "Kenny is not the same as the stranger, you son of a bitch! Stranger is EVOL!") with the scene of Kenny on Jane, trying to stab her. Kenny is doing the exact same thing the stranger was doing, except instead of his hands, Kenny favors the knife. Clementine shoots the stranger to stop him from murdering Lee, and if you so choose, she shoots Kenny in a similar way, to stop him from murdering Jane. In fact there are many parallels that can be drawn between Kenny and the stranger, and more importantly, their similar scenes. Both the stranger and Kenny have lost their families, and are clearly broken because of it. The stranger wants Lee dead because of the bad things he thinks he (Lee) has done, Kenny wants Jane dead when he thinks she had killed AJ. Both get into an intense struggle, and although the stranger dies either way, Clementine shooting him is comparable to her shooting Kenny, like I said.
As for Christa shooting Michelle, yes, I actually do think that was a rash, unnecessary action. Although I will admit, like many people, I cheered the moment it happened because I liked Omid a lot, and Michelle was a bitch. However, looking back, it was, I think, the wrong thing to do.
You can't be this dense, don't you get it? Jane would've done exactly the same. They both wanted to kill each other,
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, it's true that if given the chance, Jane probably would have tried to kill Kenny in a similar fashion, and if the tables were turned in such a way, I would've shot her. I didn't shoot Kenny because I hated him and loved Jane, I shot him because he was going to murder someone who wasn't immediately threatening his life. She wasn't doing anything to endanger him while he was on top of her, shoving a knife into her chest. You silly stinker, calling me dense.
Skipping some other shit you said because they're the same points every single person brings up.
It was self defense though, you know why? because she had tried to kill him with a SHARP OBJECT moments before. You see, She aggravated the whole situation by drawing out her knife when Kenny attacked her in the same fashion he had attacked Mike. She turned the battle into a death statement when she tried to kill Kenny by cutting his stomach. She was an active threat and she wouldn't stop until she was killed.
Jesus, it was not self-defense, "moments before", that's the proof. That's like me saying, "I shanked that bastard because he swung his knife at me moments ago! I was only defending myself!" She aggravated the situation, seriously? You even used the example of Kenny attacking her after she sheathes her knife! That was a signal to calm things down, but he lunged at her. Similarly to how he lunges at her a minute later, and in self-defense (there's a good example of how to use that term) slashes with her knife, hitting Kenny in the stomach.
She was an active threat and she wouldn't stop until she was killed.
I disagree, I think there were plenty of instances where either of the two could have been snapped out of their state-of-mind, and things could have calmed down. Example, when Jane sheathes her knife, or when Clementine pulls Jane off of Kenny, but both times, Kenny further escalates the fight. Nobody had to die, but Kenny had to be stopped in my opinion, from murdering Jane in similar vain to the stranger's attempted murder of Lee. "You son of a bitch, just go away. Die!" - The Stranger; "You fuckin' babykiller, I'll fuckin' kill you!" - Kenny.
If you still don't understand let me give you an example. I'm being persecuted by a crazy person who's trying to kill me, they fall and drop their weapon, so I take it, immobilize the offender with it and proceed to kill them because otherwise, they'd still go after me. That must make me the worst criminal in your eyes, because you don't consider intent behind action.
No, not the worst criminal, but definitely a criminal. What you just described is voluntary manslaughter if not second-degree murder, absolutely not self-defense. You said you "take it (the weapon), immobilize the offender with it and proceed to kill them because otherwise, they'd still go after me." Wait a rootin' tootin' second, how in the hell could they go after you if they're immobilized? What I'm thinking is you didn't need to go the extra mile and fucking kill them. Top Ramlel.
And killing Kenny is just as bad as murder. Killing anyone in a situation were both participants were actively trying to kill each other is bad,
The situation devolved into Kenny trying to kill Jane. Jane was trying to get Kenny off of her. If you get this impression, I didn't want to kill Kenny, but he needed to be stopped, which brings me to your next point:
the sane thing to do would be try to separate them and calm things down, but they didn't give you that choice in the end.
I agree with this, I would rather have ran over and flying-jump-kicked Kenny off of Jane, but sadly, Clementine wasn't immediately in the position to do something like that. She had just been knocked to the ground, her vision was pretty blurry, and her gunshot wound had been reopened.
Btw, Kenny stabbed Jane in the leg, which caused her to bump into Clem, which caused Clem to fall to the ground. Kenny planned it from the beginning, holyshit.jpg Illuminati, Kenny did 9/11. Myth busted. The end. I'm too fucking tired to pour all of this intelligent logic into any more posts. Goodnight, space cowboy.
To be completely honest, as soon as I read "Regardless of everything that happened during the fight," I felt like throwing myself out of the… more window. So Lee killing the stranger was completely out of place because he was defensless at that time? so was Christa shooting the bandit that killed Omid, I mean, she dropped her gun and said she didn't mean it!. You can't be this dense, don't you get it? Jane would've done exactly the same. They both wanted to kill each other, there was no stopping until one of them died or maybe there would've been if Jane had admitted she fucking hide the baby, putting AJ's integrity in danger but that wouldn't benefit her at all, oh no. So she created the perfect scenario to get rid of Kenny while making herself look like the damn victim, Kenny's anger was justified in every sense. You don't pull that shit on people.
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He could've survived the heart attack.
Miracles happen in real life too, besides, Lilly was there when Larry had heart attacks multiple times, I think she would know if she can save him or not.
You're getting internet hurt because I argued my point using masterful logic, while in an overall euphoric state of mind.
Oh forgive… more me for my sins master, your masterful logic had gotten the better of me (LOL).
You didn't use masterful logic, you used the internet to find words like aforementioned and put them in your sentence to make it look like "masterful logic", DAMN you're smug.
Do you know how hard it is to reply to multiple people at the same time? Anyway I didn't post my argument here, I just chose to post a list of good things Jane did. I never asked for an argument, but I got one anyway.
Is not that hard ´to reply to multiple people at the same time´. Also, how is this not looking for a argument:
She only met Clem for a couple of weeks and she already did more than Kenny would ever do/ever did. Infact Kenny always broke the group apart while Jane helped the group. Jane doesn't own anything to the group and she has the right to leave any time she wants but she came back for the group and that's why I saved her.
This:
But she did care and saved the group multiple times, just because she doesn't get saddened over their deaths doesn't mean she doesn't care about them.
She didn´t care about the whole group, just about Clem and has the begginings of a attachement to Luke because they fucked. She says so herself, that Clem is 90% the reason she came back, and Luke is obviously the other 10%.
I never ignored the fact that Jane killed Troy. You obviously didn't read my other posts, I said I was okay with Kenny killing Carver but it was a selfish act since he did it for himself. Also he wasted the groups precious time that could've been used to escape faster thus preventing Carlos and Nick from getting shot. I never said Kenny is a bad guy for beating on Carvers corpse.
You obviusly didn´t read my other posts, because I said that, regardless of how useful it was, Jane killing Troy in such a brutal manner doesn´t make her any better that Kenny.
Also how does Jane caring about the group because of Clem selfish?
Is selfish, because does what she does for the group only because of Clem, not because she cares about the group.
So if I decided to save someones mother but I actually don't care about her doesn't mean I'm selfish.
This is not remotely similar to the situation of the group and why Jane does anything for them.
She's already been talking about the issue for 2 episodes already.
When? The only think she did was talking with Clem behind Kenny´s back, she never brothered to talk it out.
After the car argument with Jane and Kenny, Jane had enough of Kenny's bullshit and decided to pull the plan.
She mocked Kenny about its eye, about not being there when Sarita was bitten or killed, she said that AJ is scared to death of him, she said that everybody is afraid of him, that even Sarita whispered behind its back, that Clementine also does it, that everytime somebody dies around him is his fault, that everybody around him knows they are going to die, even Clementine. How is that being ´tired of his bullshit´? She was trying to provoke him during the whole ride.
She knew that Clem would have a better chance of surviving with her and that's why she pulled the plan.
This is debatable, but in no going to say anything about that, I just going to say that your response doesn´t have anything to do with what I said. By consequences, I mean having to shoot a friend or a close person, emotional trauma.
Do you honestly think Kenny would've stopped even if she told him that AJ was alive?
Is not about telling him, is about that Jane could have run past Kenny to the car where AJ was and she didn´t.
He said " I'm done talking Clem "
And? Jane says I knew you would when Kenny screams I fucking kill you, Jane says is time to put this crusty piece of shit out of its misery. Don´t act like Kenny was the only one unwilling to stop.
I'm sorry, I thought you were of those people who insulted me before.
You still don´t see how frustrated you seem?
Nope, not at all.
Of course I ´chosen to make the same argument´. It was to see i… moref you actually could replay to my second post, which you didn´t. Twice. You say you were to lazy to replay back, and two days later you repost your entire argument in another tread instead of continuing our argument. How is that not running away?
Do you know how hard it is to reply to multiple people at the same time? Anyway I didn't post my argument here, I just chose to post a list of good things Jane did. I never asked for an argument, but I got one anyway.
I never said that taking care of Clem is selfish, but that only caring about her is selfish. Is not that she only got attached to ´Clem´, but that she couldn´t care if the group died if Clem didn´t care about them.
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Throwing yourself out of a window because of butt anger is an idiotic thing to do. I don't even know where to start, so I guess I'll just br… moreeak it down.
So Lee killing the stranger was completely out of place because he was defensless at that time? so was Christa shooting the bandit that killed Omid, I mean, she dropped her gun and said she didn't mean it!.
Lee killing the stranger was justified, because the stranger was an immediate threat to Lee's life, if Lee did nothing, the stranger would've killed him, nothing, not Lee nor Clementine would have persuaded him to act otherwise. Think about it this way, if you do not strangle the stranger, he gains the upper hand and begins to strangle you. Compare the merely visual aspects of this scene (so don't cry about, "Kenny is not the same as the stranger, you son of a bitch! Stranger is EVOL!") with the scene of Kenny on Jane, trying to stab her. Kenny is doing the exact same thing t… [view original content]
This doesn't have to turn into "He's replied, I have to say something else, too!". I don't want it to turn into that. If I have something I really want to say, I'll certainly do so, but I honestly don't see how anything else can be added concerning this topic that I haven't already heard before.
Where did the #retk go? kek. Anyways. I enjoy discussion and I'll keep throwing my two cents, I don't expect you to understand but I can certainly refute your points and I think that's what I'll do once I wake up in the morning, corazón. Night!
This doesn't have to turn into "He's replied, I have to say something else, too!". I don't want it to turn into that. If I have something I … morereally want to say, I'll certainly do so, but I honestly don't see how anything else can be added concerning this topic that I haven't already heard before.
There are scientific theories explaining why were exists, why this planet is here. You dont need supernatural creature to explain it.
You seem to lack the understanding what scientific theories and facts are. Science doesnt deal with absolutes, like religions does. Every fact science has about the universe is only the most likely right answer. We create a theory, gain evidence/proof for it and facts are based upon observation repeatable experiments. Gravity is just a theory also, so do you deny its existance?
there are scientific theories explaining this stuff?
Do you even realize what a theory is..? Theory =/= fact. There isn't even a log… moreical theory for stating that God does not exist.
Regardless, I would love to see a scientific theory explaining how a creator does not exist.. so I can laugh at how stupidly narrow minded it is. There is literally nothing that disproves the notion that a creator could exist. Just because you say something is so doesn't make it so.
Do you want to feel special, meaningful and with a purpose?
Yes, but that is not the reason why I choose to believe in a creator.
Big bang theory is candidate of how universe started, earth formed some billions years later. There are evidence like cosmic background radiation and expanding universe (and bunch of more... too lazy to start explaining something you probably dont understand).
You do realize that all scientific theories are facts? It is impossible (and arrogant) to say something is 100% true (absolute facts), so the meaning of word "fact" is "the most likely right answer". For a theory to become a fact, you need strong evidence to support it.
And using "god of the gaps" argument is pretty damn stupid. we have no knowledge of something, therefore god did it.
If you know scientific answers for how earth was formed and why we exists, why do you need a imaginary friend?
Easy. Because God is … moremy Father. Not because my religion says so, but because I say so. Sure I know theories of how people think the world began, but that's why it's called the Big Bang theory. A theory is not a fact. And there is no definite proof that the Big Bang ever happened, because there are all alternative explanations for all of the cosmological explanations.
Our viewpoints are on opposite sides of the spectrum. For example, I don't believe God is imaginary, but you do. I'm aware of your scientific theories, but that doesn't mean I believe in them. I'm not shoving my beliefs (or lack thereof) down your throat, or anyone's throat for that matter. I'm just explaining how keeping an open mind to the beliefs and viewpoints of others can benefit you as well as everyone else around you in the long run, to prevent misunde… [view original content]
First of all, atheism isnt religion, just like not collecting stamps isnt a hobby.
Im not trying to prove or disprove anything here, im trying to explain why its stupid to believe in something we have no evidence of and that its impossible to disprove negative.
You know, i would have saved a lot time if i knew most of the Kenny fans ive been debating with are religious. You cant listen to reason and you ignore all the facts.
If you are so sure that God doesn't exist, why are you so bent on proving it? Shouldn't you be confident enough in your thoughts that He isn… more't real, and just let others believe what they choose? Or is your goal to convert people to your religion, Atheism? Seriously, I understand that you are a very cynical individual, but don't go taking it out on others.
Kenny never tried to use AJ as a replacement for Duck
He did. He lost his Son and tried to replace him with AJ. He didnt raise duck well (admits that himself) and he is trying to do the right thing with AJ
This is literally the most funny thing I ever heard in my life. Someone should frame this.
He did. Lee always wanted a family but couldnt have it.
Psychopathy
1% of human population are psychopaths. Usually leaders of companies and so on. I dont see where you are going with this.
And Kenny has son complex?
Kenny never tried to use AJ as a replacement for Duck, Jan does try to use Clem as a replacement for her … moresister.
Lee had daughter complex?
This is literally the most funny thing I ever heard in my life. Someone should frame this.
Just because one doesnt care about random human beings, doesnt make him insane.
Psychopathy
This describes Jane perfectly.
(and bunch of more... too lazy to start explaining something you probably don't understand).
You're lucky that God's existence isn't proved, because if there is a God, he would think you are not worthy of a good life, you are telling a very smart girl (not only based on what I said, I also know her personally) that she won't understand something because her views of God contradict yours, be ashamed.
There are many religious scientists, the rabbi that prepared me for my bar-mitzvah was majoring in physics, there is no black or white here, not all people believing in a God are too stupid to understand what you are saying.
This all comes back to what I said, your arguments just don't worth our time, not only because it is impossible to disprove it, but also because while doing that you are acting like you are a more worthy organism than us, just because our views our different, their personality and life experience plays a major role in choosing their beliefs.
First you act like a human being and make sure you are a good person that does not stomp other people's opinions down just because they contradict yours, then you take on bigger subjects, in that order.
Big bang theory is candidate of how universe started, earth formed some billions years later. There are evidence like cosmic background radi… moreation and expanding universe (and bunch of more... too lazy to start explaining something you probably dont understand).
You do realize that all scientific theories are facts? It is impossible (and arrogant) to say something is 100% true (absolute facts), so the meaning of word "fact" is "the most likely right answer". For a theory to become a fact, you need strong evidence to support it.
And using "god of the gaps" argument is pretty damn stupid. we have no knowledge of something, therefore god did it.
No, i wasnt going to explain them because they are rather boring for those who arent interested in astronomy and science in general and if she actually knew about all that, she wouldnt have to believe in creator (logic and reasoning doesnt usually work that well with religious people anyway, since they want to keep their faith).
Ive said before that my life is completely meaningless and that i have no purpose. How does that imply that im better than any of you?
(and bunch of more... too lazy to start explaining something you probably don't understand).
You're lucky that God's existence isn't… more proved, because if there is a God, he would think you are not worthy of a good life, you are telling a very smart girl (not only based on what I said, I also know her personally) that she won't understand something because her views of God contradict yours, be ashamed.
There are many religious scientists, the rabbi that prepared me for my bar-mitzvah was majoring in physics, there is no black or white here, not all people believing in a God are too stupid to understand what you are saying.
This all comes back to what I said, your arguments just don't worth our time, not only because it is impossible to disprove it, but also because while doing that you are acting like you are a more worthy organism than us, just because our views our different, their personality and life experience plays a major ro… [view original content]
He did. He lost his Son and tried to replace him with AJ. He didnt raise duck well (admits that himself) and he is trying to do the right thing with AJ
You just proved my point. That he doesn´t want to commit the same mistakes he made with Duck, doesn´t mean AJ=Duck 2.0.
“I was no there for a lot of things, missed some others.”
“I used to think I enjoyed my time away for them, away for my family, but now I could give anything for just one more second with them.”
He did. Lee always wanted a family but couldnt have it.
Wanting a family despite he couldn´t have it, doesn´t mean that Lee took care of Clementine because of having a daughter complex. It was just kindness. What kind of monster just leaves a child behind?
1% of human population are psychopaths. Usually leaders of companies and so on. I dont see where you are going with this.
Kenny never tried to use AJ as a replacement for Duck
He did. He lost his Son and tried to replace him with AJ. He didnt raise duck … morewell (admits that himself) and he is trying to do the right thing with AJ
This is literally the most funny thing I ever heard in my life. Someone should frame this.
He did. Lee always wanted a family but couldnt have it.
Psychopathy
1% of human population are psychopaths. Usually leaders of companies and so on. I dont see where you are going with this.
Miracles happen if there's hope for the guy, having a heart attack after a series of heart problems without medical equipment nor doctors to asses the situation, he had no hope, and even if he did, it would risk their lives, including Clementine's.
He could've survived the heart attack.
Miracles happen in real life too, besides, Lilly was there when Larry had heart attacks multiple times, I think she would know if she can save him or not.
He did. He lost his Son and tried to replace him with AJ. He didnt raise duck well (admits that himself) and he is trying to do the right th… moreing with AJ
You just proved my point. That he doesn´t want to commit the same mistakes he made with Duck, doesn´t mean AJ=Duck 2.0.
“I was no there for a lot of things, missed some others.”
“I used to think I enjoyed my time away for them, away for my family, but now I could give anything for just one more second with them.”
He did. Lee always wanted a family but couldnt have it.
Wanting a family despite he couldn´t have it, doesn´t mean that Lee took care of Clementine because of having a daughter complex. It was just kindness. What kind of monster just leaves a child behind?
1% of human population are psychopaths. Usually leaders of companies and so on. I dont see where you are going with this.
Jane is. She is insane.
He did. He lost his Son and tried to replace him with AJ. He didnt raise duck well (admits that himself) and he is trying to do the right thing with AJ
He has the most experience with kids, and what did you expect him to do? Not take care of the baby and not raise him right? He only did the humane thing, and again he didn't replace him, he just wanted to be happy again in the world that took Duck away from him, no one can fill the gap of his first son, so excuse him that he tried.
He did. Lee always wanted a family but couldnt have it.
No, that's a dialogue choice if I remember correctly.
Kenny never tried to use AJ as a replacement for Duck
He did. He lost his Son and tried to replace him with AJ. He didnt raise duck … morewell (admits that himself) and he is trying to do the right thing with AJ
This is literally the most funny thing I ever heard in my life. Someone should frame this.
He did. Lee always wanted a family but couldnt have it.
Psychopathy
1% of human population are psychopaths. Usually leaders of companies and so on. I dont see where you are going with this.
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Just like when Kenny tried to tell Lee not to do anything about the bitten girl in Episode 3.
People change.
He could've survived the heart attack.
Miracles happen in real life too, besides, Lilly was there when Larry had heart attacks multiple times, I think she would know if she can save him or not.
To be completely honest, as soon as I read "Regardless of everything that happened during the fight," I felt like throwing myself out of the window. So Lee killing the stranger was completely out of place because he was defensless at that time? so was Christa shooting the bandit that killed Omid, I mean, she dropped her gun and said she didn't mean it!. You can't be this dense, don't you get it? Jane would've done exactly the same. They both wanted to kill each other, there was no stopping until one of them died or maybe there would've been if Jane had admitted she fucking hide the baby, putting AJ's integrity in danger but that wouldn't benefit her at all, oh no. So she created the perfect scenario to get rid of Kenny while making herself look like the damn victim, Kenny's anger was justified in every sense. You don't pull that shit on people.
It was self defense though, you know why? because she had tried to kill him with a SHARP OBJECT moments before. You see, She aggravated the whole situation by drawing out her knife when Kenny attacked her in the same fashion he had attacked Mike. She turned the battle into a death statement when she tried to kill Kenny by cutting his stomach. She was an active threat and she wouldn't stop until she was killed. If you still don't understand let me give you an example. I'm being persecuted by a crazy person who's trying to kill me, they fall and drop their weapon, so I take it, immobilize the offender with it and proceed to kill them because otherwise, they'd still go after me. That must make me the worst criminal in your eyes, because you don't consider intent behind action.
And killing Kenny is just as bad as murder. Killing anyone in a situation were both participants were actively trying to kill each other is bad, the sane thing to do would be try to separate them and calm things down, but they didn't give you that choice in the end.
After reading through this thread, I felt a little brave enough to register and pitch in my two cents. I'm not quite sure where I'm gonna end up going with this, as my thoughts about these things tend to be a bit disorganized, so please bear with me.
I'll start off by saying I really liked Kenny and Jane based off of their relationship with Clem-- admittedly, there were times I disliked their overall, individual characters-- and with that said, I absolutely cannot deny they both had their faults. Some faults can be justified, such as Kenny bashing in Larry's head to prevent him from reanimating, as well as Jane leaving her sister behind if you see that situation in a certain way, while other faults just can't be warranted for.
A similarity I draw between both Kenny and Jane's characters deal with their relationships with AJ and Clementine, respectively. I believe they saw a second chance in them, in the way that Kenny was devoted to having a fresh start as a father figure to a "son" after Duck's passing, and also in the way Jane (most likely) saw her sister in Clem, thus being devoted towards not allowing a similar fate to happen to the person closest to her after her sister. Jane didn't want Clem to be left in the hands of someone she viewed as a dangerous person, while Kenny thought the same about Jane with the addition of AJ as well. They clashed horribly with each other due to the fact they had a similar goal: to protect the people who meant the most to them at that point by all costs, by any means necessary, however, they only trusted themselves to care for and look after them, rather than trusting each other.
This particular goal sparks Jane to hide AJ in the car with an expectation of Kenny's reaction already in mind, all to prove to Clementine that she'd be better off with her. This is where my opinion starts forming. AJ is extremely important to Kenny; he expresses multiple times throughout Episode 4 and 5 that he'd like to serve as a great father figure to him (or something to that effect). Jane isn't ignorant about what happened to Kenny's family and loved ones. By implying that "AJ's death" happened under her watch, even by accident, opens a very sensitive wound, causing Kenny to lash out and start the fight. This was undoubtedly his breaking point. It's possible that Jane hadn't thought about her plan very well beforehand, especially due to her viewpoint on the whole "people dying in the apocalypse" situation, which is something like "that's just how it is", a viewpoint different from Kenny's. To put it simply, I think "killing off" the baby was way, way out of line, however, I don't condone Kenny's impulsive decision to murder her, either, if you went with that choice. (This paragraph is very weirdly worded on my part, so I apologize for that)
In other words, I prefer Kenny's endings over Jane's, but I don't hate Jane, either; her plan was just very, very not well thought out. It could also be argued, if the situation were flipped and Kenny "killed off" Clementine to drive away Jane, her reaction would be very similar, due to the similarity of their goals and relationship with Clem.
(If this was a confusing read, I don't blame you, because this was a little confusing for me to write, too)
well, he have this awesome beard
Not according to him.
lol
He can't, it's not his fault, that insult wasn't in place and neither everything you've said to date, you are ignorant.
I don't believe anything the bible says, but I still believe there might be a God, because again, religion was made by the people, it is not the word of God.
Ok, but I see Kenny as the only parental figure that cares most about her, her guardian.
Oh forgive me for my sins master, your masterful logic had gotten the better of me (LOL).
You didn't use masterful logic, you used the internet to find words like aforementioned and put them in your sentence to make it look like "masterful logic", DAMN you're smug.
If she's my sister, I would.
If you are so sure that God doesn't exist, why are you so bent on proving it? Shouldn't you be confident enough in your thoughts that He isn't real, and just let others believe what they choose? Or is your goal to convert people to your religion, Atheism? Seriously, I understand that you are a very cynical individual, but don't go taking it out on others.
If you make her change, it's up for you to decide in season 2.
You did call me an asshole before it became personal, even if it's only "when it comes to Jane".
I am vulgar, but it doesn't mean I'm offending people, it's just how I talk, I like to mix in the word "fuck" and "shit" sometimes because it helps get the point across, and it's too bad that you had to take that anger out on me.
I'm just one man, I can't read everything here and write scrolls to each and every one of you, that's why I sometimes make those comments you mentioned, not because I lack the answer, I believe I argued with a lot on this thread beforehand.
Whatever, I just don't have the energy to explain myself anymore, I'm sure other people in this thread had defended Kenny better than I do and can continue me from here.
Do you know the definition of the word?
He cares about her, not himself.
Yes, even though in the end he wasted his last bullet on Ben just to make sure he doesn't go in a painful way, instead of using it on himself, so don't tell me that he isn't good on this case.
The difference is that Arvo deserved to be hurt, he caused deaths, he will be punished, so no I'm not hypocritical.
No, doesn't give you an excuse to make the stupidest most rash call like she did, there other ways to prove what she did without breaking a man's heart.
Ok, I mostly agree, still doesn't get remotely close to what Jane did to him.
That isn't a good argument, looking at some of the things in the comics Rick did to the Hunters and such, I'd say he was rather easy on him, he just wanted Carver to feel pain and be punished, he deserved it.
His son was on a deathbed, how he reacted is relatively normal.
Bullshit, I never said what I did is the absolute truth, don't shove words and ideas I ridicule into my mouth.
From my point of view, I'd rather stay with Kenny. Can't pull the trigger to shoot him, cause he's my friend. Even a family to my Clem. When Luke asked what's the most important thing in life that would makes you go back even if it's dangerous, I answered directly: 'family'. That's what Kenny would do but Jane would never do, remember what happened to her sister? I may sound selfish to care only people who close to me but doesn't entirely emotional that I stay at Wellington with AJ. Kenny at least doesn't die and the world is open for him. He also got a bag of supply with a chance to come back again after few months if he survives.
But then again, I remembered I heard someone said that revenge isn't the strongest motivation in this world, love is. So, with Kenny you may be not the lone-wolf survivor but doesn't mean your chance of survival any less cause you would do ANYTHING if it's for the ones you love. That's why I chose Kenny and makes sure Clem and AJ stayed in a safer camp (Wellington). The ending feels with higher sense of closure and actually much more moving to me. I have seen anywhere people who chose Jane feels a bit regret of their choice and slightly prefer to choose Kenny's ending. There are also people who chose to leave Jane alone out of anger. I just never seen people who chose Kenny WANTS or WISHES a different ending.
Maybe because AJ is a few days old baby and the car was far for warm?
The car was a lot warmer that outside, yes, but you are ignoring that the baby could freeze to death even in the car and ignoring that if the babies cries were audible in the Rest Stop the walkers, which are super sensitive to sound, could hear him easily, break the window and bite him.
I dont know, maybe because they were not frozen?
Throwing yourself out of a window because of butt anger is an idiotic thing to do. I don't even know where to start, so I guess I'll just break it down.
Lee killing the stranger was justified, because the stranger was an immediate threat to Lee's life, if Lee did nothing, the stranger would've killed him, nothing, not Lee nor Clementine would have persuaded him to act otherwise. Think about it this way, if you do not strangle the stranger, he gains the upper hand and begins to strangle you. Compare the merely visual aspects of this scene (so don't cry about, "Kenny is not the same as the stranger, you son of a bitch! Stranger is EVOL!") with the scene of Kenny on Jane, trying to stab her. Kenny is doing the exact same thing the stranger was doing, except instead of his hands, Kenny favors the knife. Clementine shoots the stranger to stop him from murdering Lee, and if you so choose, she shoots Kenny in a similar way, to stop him from murdering Jane. In fact there are many parallels that can be drawn between Kenny and the stranger, and more importantly, their similar scenes. Both the stranger and Kenny have lost their families, and are clearly broken because of it. The stranger wants Lee dead because of the bad things he thinks he (Lee) has done, Kenny wants Jane dead when he thinks she had killed AJ. Both get into an intense struggle, and although the stranger dies either way, Clementine shooting him is comparable to her shooting Kenny, like I said.
As for Christa shooting Michelle, yes, I actually do think that was a rash, unnecessary action. Although I will admit, like many people, I cheered the moment it happened because I liked Omid a lot, and Michelle was a bitch. However, looking back, it was, I think, the wrong thing to do.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, it's true that if given the chance, Jane probably would have tried to kill Kenny in a similar fashion, and if the tables were turned in such a way, I would've shot her. I didn't shoot Kenny because I hated him and loved Jane, I shot him because he was going to murder someone who wasn't immediately threatening his life. She wasn't doing anything to endanger him while he was on top of her, shoving a knife into her chest. You silly stinker, calling me dense.
Skipping some other shit you said because they're the same points every single person brings up.
Jesus, it was not self-defense, "moments before", that's the proof. That's like me saying, "I shanked that bastard because he swung his knife at me moments ago! I was only defending myself!" She aggravated the situation, seriously? You even used the example of Kenny attacking her after she sheathes her knife! That was a signal to calm things down, but he lunged at her. Similarly to how he lunges at her a minute later, and in self-defense (there's a good example of how to use that term) slashes with her knife, hitting Kenny in the stomach.
I disagree, I think there were plenty of instances where either of the two could have been snapped out of their state-of-mind, and things could have calmed down. Example, when Jane sheathes her knife, or when Clementine pulls Jane off of Kenny, but both times, Kenny further escalates the fight. Nobody had to die, but Kenny had to be stopped in my opinion, from murdering Jane in similar vain to the stranger's attempted murder of Lee. "You son of a bitch, just go away. Die!" - The Stranger; "You fuckin' babykiller, I'll fuckin' kill you!" - Kenny.
No, not the worst criminal, but definitely a criminal. What you just described is voluntary manslaughter if not second-degree murder, absolutely not self-defense. You said you "take it (the weapon), immobilize the offender with it and proceed to kill them because otherwise, they'd still go after me." Wait a rootin' tootin' second, how in the hell could they go after you if they're immobilized? What I'm thinking is you didn't need to go the extra mile and fucking kill them. Top Ramlel.
The situation devolved into Kenny trying to kill Jane. Jane was trying to get Kenny off of her. If you get this impression, I didn't want to kill Kenny, but he needed to be stopped, which brings me to your next point:
I agree with this, I would rather have ran over and flying-jump-kicked Kenny off of Jane, but sadly, Clementine wasn't immediately in the position to do something like that. She had just been knocked to the ground, her vision was pretty blurry, and her gunshot wound had been reopened.
Btw, Kenny stabbed Jane in the leg, which caused her to bump into Clem, which caused Clem to fall to the ground. Kenny planned it from the beginning, holyshit.jpg Illuminati, Kenny did 9/11. Myth busted. The end. I'm too fucking tired to pour all of this intelligent logic into any more posts. Goodnight, space cowboy.
So you are asking the group to risk their lifes over a miracle. Uh, okay.
You know what I think? That Lilly was a daugther seeing her father drop to the ground, and was not rational at all.
Wrong again, buster, I'm Cinicage.
Okay. I not going to try again.
Is not that hard ´to reply to multiple people at the same time´. Also, how is this not looking for a argument:
This:
She didn´t care about the whole group, just about Clem and has the begginings of a attachement to Luke because they fucked. She says so herself, that Clem is 90% the reason she came back, and Luke is obviously the other 10%.
You obviusly didn´t read my other posts, because I said that, regardless of how useful it was, Jane killing Troy in such a brutal manner doesn´t make her any better that Kenny.
Is selfish, because does what she does for the group only because of Clem, not because she cares about the group.
This is not remotely similar to the situation of the group and why Jane does anything for them.
When? The only think she did was talking with Clem behind Kenny´s back, she never brothered to talk it out.
She mocked Kenny about its eye, about not being there when Sarita was bitten or killed, she said that AJ is scared to death of him, she said that everybody is afraid of him, that even Sarita whispered behind its back, that Clementine also does it, that everytime somebody dies around him is his fault, that everybody around him knows they are going to die, even Clementine. How is that being ´tired of his bullshit´? She was trying to provoke him during the whole ride.
This is debatable, but in no going to say anything about that, I just going to say that your response doesn´t have anything to do with what I said. By consequences, I mean having to shoot a friend or a close person, emotional trauma.
Is not about telling him, is about that Jane could have run past Kenny to the car where AJ was and she didn´t.
And? Jane says I knew you would when Kenny screams I fucking kill you, Jane says is time to put this crusty piece of shit out of its misery. Don´t act like Kenny was the only one unwilling to stop.
Its fine.
Lmao I'll reply to this tomorrow, I won't give up! but I'm certainly tired. I'll edit this same post with my reply. Kudos to you, you made chuckle
This doesn't have to turn into "He's replied, I have to say something else, too!". I don't want it to turn into that. If I have something I really want to say, I'll certainly do so, but I honestly don't see how anything else can be added concerning this topic that I haven't already heard before.
Kenny never tried to use AJ as a replacement for Duck, Jan does try to use Clem as a replacement for her sister.
This is literally the most funny thing I ever heard in my life. Someone should frame this.
Psychopathy
This describes Jane perfectly.
Where did the #retk go? kek. Anyways. I enjoy discussion and I'll keep throwing my two cents, I don't expect you to understand but I can certainly refute your points and I think that's what I'll do once I wake up in the morning, corazón. Night!
There are scientific theories explaining why were exists, why this planet is here. You dont need supernatural creature to explain it.
You seem to lack the understanding what scientific theories and facts are. Science doesnt deal with absolutes, like religions does. Every fact science has about the universe is only the most likely right answer. We create a theory, gain evidence/proof for it and facts are based upon observation repeatable experiments. Gravity is just a theory also, so do you deny its existance?
Big bang theory is candidate of how universe started, earth formed some billions years later. There are evidence like cosmic background radiation and expanding universe (and bunch of more... too lazy to start explaining something you probably dont understand).
You do realize that all scientific theories are facts? It is impossible (and arrogant) to say something is 100% true (absolute facts), so the meaning of word "fact" is "the most likely right answer". For a theory to become a fact, you need strong evidence to support it.
And using "god of the gaps" argument is pretty damn stupid. we have no knowledge of something, therefore god did it.
First of all, atheism isnt religion, just like not collecting stamps isnt a hobby.
Im not trying to prove or disprove anything here, im trying to explain why its stupid to believe in something we have no evidence of and that its impossible to disprove negative.
You know, i would have saved a lot time if i knew most of the Kenny fans ive been debating with are religious. You cant listen to reason and you ignore all the facts.
He did. He lost his Son and tried to replace him with AJ. He didnt raise duck well (admits that himself) and he is trying to do the right thing with AJ
He did. Lee always wanted a family but couldnt have it.
1% of human population are psychopaths. Usually leaders of companies and so on. I dont see where you are going with this.
You're lucky that God's existence isn't proved, because if there is a God, he would think you are not worthy of a good life, you are telling a very smart girl (not only based on what I said, I also know her personally) that she won't understand something because her views of God contradict yours, be ashamed.
There are many religious scientists, the rabbi that prepared me for my bar-mitzvah was majoring in physics, there is no black or white here, not all people believing in a God are too stupid to understand what you are saying.
This all comes back to what I said, your arguments just don't worth our time, not only because it is impossible to disprove it, but also because while doing that you are acting like you are a more worthy organism than us, just because our views our different, their personality and life experience plays a major role in choosing their beliefs.
First you act like a human being and make sure you are a good person that does not stomp other people's opinions down just because they contradict yours, then you take on bigger subjects, in that order.
"educate yourself" :P
No, i wasnt going to explain them because they are rather boring for those who arent interested in astronomy and science in general and if she actually knew about all that, she wouldnt have to believe in creator (logic and reasoning doesnt usually work that well with religious people anyway, since they want to keep their faith).
Ive said before that my life is completely meaningless and that i have no purpose. How does that imply that im better than any of you?
LOL XD
She was already bitten, you could see her getting bit.
You just proved my point. That he doesn´t want to commit the same mistakes he made with Duck, doesn´t mean AJ=Duck 2.0.
“I was no there for a lot of things, missed some others.”
“I used to think I enjoyed my time away for them, away for my family, but now I could give anything for just one more second with them.”
Wanting a family despite he couldn´t have it, doesn´t mean that Lee took care of Clementine because of having a daughter complex. It was just kindness. What kind of monster just leaves a child behind?
Jane is. She is insane.
Miracles happen if there's hope for the guy, having a heart attack after a series of heart problems without medical equipment nor doctors to asses the situation, he had no hope, and even if he did, it would risk their lives, including Clementine's.
I didn't tell you how you felt, you misunderstood me, sorry for the confusion.
He fucked up with duck and is trying to be better father with Aj... sounds like son complex to me.
First Lee just took care of Clementine but eventually she was like a daughter to him and he treated her like a daughter.
psychopathic behaviour (in a fucking zombie apocalypse) ≠ insane
He has the most experience with kids, and what did you expect him to do? Not take care of the baby and not raise him right? He only did the humane thing, and again he didn't replace him, he just wanted to be happy again in the world that took Duck away from him, no one can fill the gap of his first son, so excuse him that he tried.
No, that's a dialogue choice if I remember correctly.