How can you be so sure unless you're in that situation? Even after the situation at hand has bean dealt with, will you still be sure? The unknowingness of our actions in such situations can be very different from what we think they will be if we were to be in said situations.
When Lee is talking with the Stranger and you say that you hurt your wife, there comes dialogue where he says it.
"she travelled for work. I didnt like that. I wanted a family"
He did. He lost his Son and tried to replace him with AJ. He didnt raise duck well (admits that himself) and he is trying to do the right th… moreing with AJ
He has the most experience with kids, and what did you expect him to do? Not take care of the baby and not raise him right? He only did the humane thing, and again he didn't replace him, he just wanted to be happy again in the world that took Duck away from him, no one can fill the gap of his first son, so excuse him that he tried.
He did. Lee always wanted a family but couldnt have it.
No, that's a dialogue choice if I remember correctly.
You still don´t see how frustrated you seem?
Nope, not at all.
Of course I ´chosen to make the same argument´. It was to see i… moref you actually could replay to my second post, which you didn´t. Twice. You say you were to lazy to replay back, and two days later you repost your entire argument in another tread instead of continuing our argument. How is that not running away?
Do you know how hard it is to reply to multiple people at the same time? Anyway I didn't post my argument here, I just chose to post a list of good things Jane did. I never asked for an argument, but I got one anyway.
I never said that taking care of Clem is selfish, but that only caring about her is selfish. Is not that she only got attached to ´Clem´, but that she couldn´t care if the group died if Clem didn´t care about them.
But she did care and saved the group multiple times, just because she doesn't get saddened over their deaths doesn… [view original content]
You can't make her stay the same in Season 2 as she was in Season 1, change is a part of growth and adaption, double that in a world filled with corpses and living.
So I guess that's an excuse to let someone suffer? Just because they can die means that there's no point? She was bitten recently, if they had a melee weapon, they could've saved her. I guess the welfare of others outside the group doesn't matter since we play as only one group, just goes to show how playing in a character's perspective changes how we see other characters.
(and bunch of more... too lazy to start explaining something you probably don't understand).
don't understand, why wouldn't they? You clearly implied she does not have the mindset to understand what you would have explained. They are smart, maybe not as smart as you clearly think you are, but enough to understand it.
and if she actually knew about all that, she wouldnt have to believe in creator (logic and reasoning doesnt usually work that well with religious people anyway, since they want to keep their faith).
She told you that she isn't a stubborn religious woman, I know her and I also know that even though she was raised in a certain way, she never had blindly followed her teachers and always knew that nothing is known in advance, and that we always learn new things that may or may not change our current view on God and life as a whole.
My point is that she would still be able to believe in a creator even if she understands everything you say, because nothing is absolute, God isn't absolute either.
No, i wasnt going to explain them because they are rather boring for those who arent interested in astronomy and science in general and if s… morehe actually knew about all that, she wouldnt have to believe in creator (logic and reasoning doesnt usually work that well with religious people anyway, since they want to keep their faith).
Ive said before that my life is completely meaningless and that i have no purpose. How does that imply that im better than any of you?
Lee risked his life and it was a miracle that he managed to save Clementine before turning.
Kenny returning in Season 2 was a miracle despite the fact that he was originally dead in Season 1.
Was Kenny rational when Duck was bitten and dying? With Larry there is no proof on either side to say he was turning into a Walker or reviving as a human.
Miracles happen in real life too
So you are asking the group to risk their lifes over a miracle. Uh, okay.
besides, Lilly was … morethere when Larry had heart attacks multiple times, I think she would know if she can save him or not.
You know what I think? That Lilly was a daugther seeing her father drop to the ground, and was not rational at all.
I didnt bother to explain, because even if she understood it, she would most likely just ignore it. They are religious for a reason in times like these, when all the information is available in internet.
You clearly said:
(and bunch of more... too lazy to start explaining something you probably don't understand).
don't understan… mored, why wouldn't they? You clearly implied she does not have the mindset to understand what you would have explained. They are smart, maybe not as smart as you clearly think you are, but enough to understand it.
and if she actually knew about all that, she wouldnt have to believe in creator (logic and reasoning doesnt usually work that well with religious people anyway, since they want to keep their faith).
She told you that she isn't a stubborn religious woman, I know her and I also know that even though she was raised in a certain way, she never had blindly followed her teachers and always knew that nothing is known in advance, and that we always learn new things that may or may not change our current view on God and life as a whole.
My point is that she would still be able to believe in… [view original content]
I'm confident that I would manage to pull it off, that does not mean I would actually succeed no matter what, but at least I'd try more than Jane did, seeing that I have already thought of a couple things she could have done to either save her or make her death quicker and a hell of a lot less painful.
How can you be so sure unless you're in that situation? Even after the situation at hand has bean dealt with, will you still be sure? The un… moreknowingness of our actions in such situations can be very different from what we think they will be if we were to be in said situations.
So I guess there's no point in trying? You wouldn't take a risk to save someone? I know I would, in my opinion, it's a negative act to let someone die when there is a chance for them to live, just because he has had heart problems in the past doesn't make it hopeless to try and save him. Also, so what if he had a heart attack? People have been revived from heart attacks via CPR, even without the use of medical equipment nor doctors to asses in the situation, so you can't really come to assumptions that it was hopeless to try and save Larry, Kenny didn't give us the chance.
Miracles
Miracles happen if there's hope for the guy, having a heart attack after a series of heart problems without medical equipme… morent nor doctors to asses the situation, he had no hope, and even if he did, it would risk their lives, including Clementine's.
I didnt bother to explain, because even if she understood it, she would most likely just ignore it. They are religious for a reason in times like these, when all the information is available in internet.
You can't make her stay the same in Season 2 as she was in Season 1, change is a part of growth and adaption, double that in a world filled with corpses and living.
It isn't an excuse, I just thought it's worth mentioning because you made it look like Kenny was just abandoning someone that still had hope in saving.
And no, you couldn't save her, she was bitten in the leg and hand I believe (or one of them), and until they would get there she would have already been bitten a couple more times, since it was a little far and they already had a grasp of her, there was no chance of saving her from there, and if a miracle happened and they did manage so amputate the infected limbs, she would've died of blood loss on the way back or at the motel where the only doctor (veterinarian who had failed in saving an amputee in episode 2) they have would be too late in managing to save her.
So I guess that's an excuse to let someone suffer? Just because they can die means that there's no point? She was bitten recently, if they h… moread a melee weapon, they could've saved her. I guess the welfare of others outside the group doesn't matter since we play as only one group, just goes to show how playing in a character's perspective changes how we see other characters.
A series of indirectly caused deaths by Ben and Arvo.
Ever thought that Jane's heart may have been broken? It's evident that she takes insults to heart.
Jane hiding AJ to show Clementine how violent Kenny can get causing in the death of one or the other or even both is worse then letting a friend fight all the battles without pitching in? Especially with the chance that they could meet their fate and they have helped you allot of times non-determinantly? Also, it takes the mentioning of family for Kenny just to come help you search for a little girl whose in danger? Also I will mention the fact that Kenny killed Larry in front of Lilly and has the nerve to say that it was the right thing without evidence of Larry's state at the time and then he has a bigger nerve to call her a murderer and let Lee stay with him and want Lilly to be left behind despite what she has done for the group and her state of mind after losing the one person she cares about?
So making someone suffer because they deserved it is better than just shooting them without suffering? In my opinion, that part made Kenny sink down to Carver's level, possible even lower. He had succumbed to revenge and the only one by his side was Rebecca.
How he reacted was normal, yes, but he only cared for his son, he cared not for other bite victims, showing how selfish Kenny was, he never even showed remorse for allot of the things he had done.
"Ben caused the death of his family." - Is that a reason to want someone dead so bad?
Yes, even though in the end he wasted his last… more bullet on Ben just to make sure he doesn't go in a painful way, instead of using it on himself, so don't tell me that he isn't good on this case.
"That dumb shitbird deserved it", "It's either us or them" - Please. All your posts bring up how humanity should always be the priority (with the baby and Jane's sister), yet now you're saying sometimes you have to be rational? Doesn't that seem a bit hypocritical?
The difference is that Arvo deserved to be hurt, he caused deaths, he will be punished, so no I'm not hypocritical.
"You can never know the outcome of your choices, you can only believe you made the right call." - This means that the "SHE MANIPOLATED U teh baby was always alive wow such a bitch" argument falls flat immediately, right? Fine by me. Also destroys any argument involvi… [view original content]
She explained that walkers kept coming and she couldnt hold them back. She couldnt force her sister to keep going or throw her to next roof so she had to leave her there. Jamies death is by no means Janes fault. Its like blaming Kenny for letting Katjaa shoot her brains out. Nothing they could have done.
Jane leaving Jaime behind is debatable.
Jane left her sister to die and she might have been able to do something to prevent that.
On t… morehe other hand, Jaime wanted to die, Jane was dragging her all around restricting her fate from her, letting her die how she wanted to in the first place is a debatable action. It's bad in terms of giving up on someone you care about, but good for the person who wants to meet their end in a horrid world.
In "following blindly" I meant listening and going according to all rules of religion, as in being a fanatic of the religion and doing everything for that religion blindly, even if it does not make sense, which she doesn't.
When Lee is talking with the Stranger and you say that you hurt your wife, there comes dialogue where he says it.
"she travelled for work. I didnt like that. I wanted a family"
Well of course he's going to confess to indirectly causing deaths, at least he knows what he'd done and was willing to accept his fate.
The risks of taking allot of food from The Stranger's car was bigger than they thought not to mention that only Kenny and Katjaa also determinantly Lee agreed to the idea.
Kenny killed Larry in cold blood with no knowing of his current status during the situation. Kenny kills Carver for revenge. Kenny kills Jane, determinantly, for revenge.
Just because it was an indirect death does not mean he didn't cause the problem.
By saving Sarita, we knew she could talk, what if she told Kenny it wasn't her fault, which seems like what she was trying to say, but Kenny just blamed Clementine anyway? Kenny just goes off on people... that's no excuse, did you see Rebecca go off on anyone when Alvin died? Bonnie only determinantly goes off on Clementine if you didn't try and save Luke. Did you see Sarah going off on anyone when Carlos died? Did you see Clementine going off on someone when Lee died? Did you see Christa going off on someone when Omid died? Did you see Vernon going off on someone when Brie died? The only character in the group that went off on someone was Lilly, but she lost the last person she truly cared about, how Kenny just went off at Clementine showed his true level of care for Clementine.
He may have been mislead but he never gave Jane the benefit of the doubt.
Don't give enough of a fuck to make arguments for everything so lemme just take away the stupid points
He persuaded Lee to let a girl … moresuffer for the groups' own benefit....
A random fucking girl who gets bit anyway. So instead if putting her out of her misery, aka you killing her, you get medicine for the entire group.
He wanted Lee to let Ben die....
And Ben was the guy that caused a bunch of deaths and confessed to them.
He takes food from The Stranger's Family Car causing problems for The Stranger....
The stranger left a car full of food on, unlocked, and away for no good reason. Why would he not take the food?
He wants to leave Lilly behind, which is practically a death sentence....
Lilly also just killed a group member in cold blood for no reason.
He gets Walter killed indirectly by shooting first....
"indirectly"
He gets mad at Clementine no matter what she does… [view original content]
So making someone suffer because they deserved it is better than just shooting them without suffering? In my opinion, that part made Kenny sink down to Carver's level, possible even lower. He had succumbed to revenge and the only one by his side was Rebecca.
No, that's your opinion, I think people like Carver deserve pain, eye for an eye to the people they harmed.
A series of indirectly caused deaths by Ben and Arvo.
Ever thought that Jane's heart may have been broken? It's evident that she takes in… moresults to heart.
Jane hiding AJ to show Clementine how violent Kenny can get causing in the death of one or the other or even both is worse then letting a friend fight all the battles without pitching in? Especially with the chance that they could meet their fate and they have helped you allot of times non-determinantly? Also, it takes the mentioning of family for Kenny just to come help you search for a little girl whose in danger? Also I will mention the fact that Kenny killed Larry in front of Lilly and has the nerve to say that it was the right thing without evidence of Larry's state at the time and then he has a bigger nerve to call her a murderer and let Lee stay with him and want Lilly to be left behind despite what she has done for the group and her state of mind after losing the one person she … [view original content]
I did try, and I would risk it to save someone, but he was as good as dead because he had a history of heart problems, people do not recover from things like that without the things I have stated above, and even though I tried to revive him with CPR along with Lilly, I was glad that he dropped that saltlick when he did, because Larry was about to come for us either way, and I already took a risk.
So I guess there's no point in trying? You wouldn't take a risk to save someone? I know I would, in my opinion, it's a negative act to let s… moreomeone die when there is a chance for them to live, just because he has had heart problems in the past doesn't make it hopeless to try and save him. Also, so what if he had a heart attack? People have been revived from heart attacks via CPR, even without the use of medical equipment nor doctors to asses in the situation, so you can't really come to assumptions that it was hopeless to try and save Larry, Kenny didn't give us the chance.
So making someone suffer because they deserved it is better than just shooting them without suffering? In my opinion, that part made Kenny s… moreink down to Carver's level, possible even lower. He had succumbed to revenge and the only one by his side was Rebecca.
No, that's your opinion, I think people like Carver deserve pain, eye for an eye to the people they harmed.
Same with Arvo.
he cared not for other bite victims,
No one was bitten but Duck.
it was a miracle that he managed to save Clementine before turning.
Your opinion, to me it was just the will power of a man who had tried to save the person he cared about most, no godly involvement in that, it was very possible to pull off in the first place.
he was originally dead in Season 1.
He wasn't, his status was presumed dead.
Was Kenny rational when Duck was bitten and dying?
No he wasn't, and you can't blame him as much as we can't blame her for trying, but they were both as good as dead.
Lee risked his life and it was a miracle that he managed to save Clementine before turning.
Kenny returning in Season 2 was a miracle des… morepite the fact that he was originally dead in Season 1.
Was Kenny rational when Duck was bitten and dying? With Larry there is no proof on either side to say he was turning into a Walker or reviving as a human.
We don't know what kind of situation she was in, therefore you can't say that you'd try more than Jane did when you don't know what she had tried and how limited her time was or what the situation was like. I admire your confidence though
And you think I don't know that?
I'm confident that I would manage to pull it off, that does not mean I would actually succeed no matter … morewhat, but at least I'd try more than Jane did, seeing that I have already thought of a couple things she could have done to either save her or make her death quicker and a hell of a lot less painful.
Well she did manage to live without assistance for a longer than expected period of time, but then again we don't fully know what happened to her on the outside. As for Katjaa not being able to save an amputee, she was originally supposed to, the power of the writers rule all rules.
It isn't an excuse, I just thought it's worth mentioning because you made it look like Kenny was just abandoning someone that still had hope… more in saving.
And no, you couldn't save her, she was bitten in the leg and hand I believe (or one of them), and until they would get there she would have already been bitten a couple more times, since it was a little far and they already had a grasp of her, there was no chance of saving her from there, and if a miracle happened and they did manage so amputate the infected limbs, she would've died of blood loss on the way back or at the motel where the only doctor (veterinarian who had failed in saving an amputee in episode 2) they have would be too late in managing to save her.
No hope.
She explained that walkers kept coming and she couldnt hold them back. She couldnt force her sister to keep going or throw her to next roof … moreso she had to leave her there. Jamies death is by no means Janes fault. Its like blaming Kenny for letting Katjaa shoot her brains out. Nothing they could have done.
I personally know people who have been in Larry's condition or worse and have been brought back in tact with CPR... there is hope. Kenny's action with Larry is rather debatable, the worst fact on this matter is how he treats Lilly after killing Larry without trying that hard to comfort her.
I did try, and I would risk it to save someone, but he was as good as dead because he had a history of heart problems, people do not recover… more from things like that without the things I have stated above, and even though I tried to revive him with CPR along with Lilly, I was glad that he dropped that saltlick when he did, because Larry was about to come for us either way, and I already took a risk.
He didn't care as much as you'd think with Lee, he starts an argument that you can end, it's one of the tough decisions therefore it's not a determinant act...
So making someone suffer because they deserved it is better than just shooting them without suffering? In my opinion, that part made Kenny s… moreink down to Carver's level, possible even lower. He had succumbed to revenge and the only one by his side was Rebecca.
No, that's your opinion, I think people like Carver deserve pain, eye for an eye to the people they harmed.
Same with Arvo.
he cared not for other bite victims,
No one was bitten but Duck.
Not only not helping Lee initially in is search of Vernon´s group hideout is determinant, but is attitude quickly changes and he helps Lee and the group look for Clem. Also, he apologizes to Lee.
"We are going to get that little girl back, with or without you."
Awesomo you're the biggest wuss I've ever seen, "Omg @Tinni halp me I can't argue for sihz1!!!" Why the flying fuck are you hiding behind your girlfriend on the internet ...
Also you get butthurt by simple insults, "Omg Am I an asshole? someone called me an asshole and im so sad right now!" "Omg someone called me retarted on this thread i am so sad! waaa waaa" " Omg flog succeeded in making me feel shitty today because he said bad too me waaa waaa" Seriously? Man the fuck up.
You seem to be bringing only a small portion of the arguments me and Tinni told you, go look through the comments again and tell me that it'… mores really "all you ever see them saying".
-Blinded by the truth
-Close-minded
-Ignorant
-Pathetic and rude
-Lack logic in their comments
-Stubborn
@Tinni Can you please help me reasoning with this man? It seems like you were right, they really are lacking a brain at the moment.
Thanks, but I'm saying this going with the personality and life agenda she showed in the game, it's logical to say she didn't try too much if "survival of the fittest" and "when push comes to shove" is what she is saying, and just trying to survive.
We don't know what kind of situation she was in, therefore you can't say that you'd try more than Jane did when you don't know what she had tried and how limited her time was or what the situation was like. I admire your confidence though
So, what you are saying is that once Katjaa shot her brains out, Kenny should have done the same?
Why should they commit suicide with the people they care about?
Well if we're going to be technical about this, I might as well pitch in because science.
Nothing holds in heat on its own and heat is constantly in a state of transferring to where there is less to equal out. Whatever heat was in the car since the last summer has dissipated and spread out, and winter just isn't making it any easier. Further from the sun, the most of the heat is escaping to to the atmosphere, and then in turn to space. Furthermore, cars aren't airtight. Colder temperatures can still reach the inside of cars through vents. "Safe" in this sense would only translate to being shielded from harm by lving things and zombies outside the car, and even then only temporarily. Because babies cry, and no matter how slow a zombie gets, it can still hit things. Given enough time, one zombie can break through a car window with hands that get bruised by the smashing and slashed by the broken glass. The zombies you see sort of hanging out aren't completely frozen. This isn't Antarctica. There's still enough heat to allow some movement.
Over time, AJ most certainly would die from frostbite if never found.
How is a baby gonna freeze to death in a car? It was the safest and warmest place close to her. And the zombies are frozen -_- AJ wasn't gonna get bitten.
And holy shit did this go far...
Thanks, but I'm saying this going with the personality and life agenda she showed in the game, it's logical to say she didn't try too much if "survival of the fittest" and "when push comes to shove" is what she is saying, and just trying to survive.
They could have needed them, and we are never show the characters doing things like eating or shitting, so I don’t know why you assumed that because we are not show them using the medicine means they don´t use it at all.
Well of course he's going to confess to indirectly causing deaths, at least he knows what he'd done and was willing to accept his fate.
Doesn´t change the fact that is pretty good reason to hate somebody.
Kenny killed Larry in cold blood with no knowing of his current status during the situation.
Nope. He is all 'I am sorry Lily, but you know this has to be done' because he was worried about having to fight walker Larry with no weapons. That is hardly murdering in cold blood. Either way, Kenny doesn´t have the luxury we have as players, so judging him for killing Larry and doing the hard thing is pretty illogical, considering that Larry could reanimate in any second and that they were trapped in a small room, weaponless.
Kenny kills Carver for revenge.
Carver was a complete moster. He totally deserved that.
Kenny kills Jane, determinantly, for revenge.
Because he thougth she had killed AJ, and because she try to kill him first by slashing his stomach.
Just because it was an indirect death does not mean he didn't cause the problem.
At that moment, Kenny had no reason to think Carver couldn´t just kill him if he gave himself up.
By saving Sarita, we knew she could talk, what if she told Kenny it wasn't her fault, which seems like what she was trying to say, but Kenny just blamed Clementine anyway? Kenny just goes off on people... that's no excuse, did you see Rebecca go off on anyone when Alvin died? Bonnie only determinantly goes off on Clementine if you didn't try and save Luke. Did you see Sarah going off on anyone when Carlos died? Did you see Clementine going off on someone when Lee died? Did you see Christa going off on someone when Omid died? Did you see Vernon going off on someone when Brie died? The only character in the group that went off on someone was Lilly, but she lost the last person she truly cared about, how Kenny just went off at Clementine showed his true level of care for Clementine.
This entire wall of text is stupid, because there is one crucial detail not presented in any situation but Sarita´s death: is Clem´s fault, no matter what choice you pick. If you cut off her arm, she just had the bright idea to cut off a person´s arm in the middle of walker herd, like she didn´t expect Sarita to scream while even Lee screamed and passed out if you chose to cut off its arm, dragging the walkers attention to her and getting her dragged into the ground and bitten. If you don´t cut off her arm, them Clem is responsible because the infection spreads far enough for Sarita to be unsalvageable, and she doesn´t even think of explaining and cutting her arm once they are not surrounded by walkers.
He may have been mislead but he never gave Jane the benefit of the doubt.
Doest this change that what Jane did was fucked up?
Medicine that they didn't even use...
Well of course he's going to confess to indirectly causing deaths, at least he knows what he'd done… more and was willing to accept his fate.
The risks of taking allot of food from The Stranger's car was bigger than they thought not to mention that only Kenny and Katjaa also determinantly Lee agreed to the idea.
Kenny killed Larry in cold blood with no knowing of his current status during the situation. Kenny kills Carver for revenge. Kenny kills Jane, determinantly, for revenge.
Just because it was an indirect death does not mean he didn't cause the problem.
By saving Sarita, we knew she could talk, what if she told Kenny it wasn't her fault, which seems like what she was trying to say, but Kenny just blamed Clementine anyway? Kenny just goes off on people... that's no excuse, did you see Rebecca go off on anyone when Alvin died? Bonnie only determinantly goes off on Clementine if you didn't try… [view original content]
I never said that... when did I say Kenny should commit suicide? Also, where did I mention Katjaa? It was evident that Jaime was the only person Jane cared about at that point in time, if she wanted to, she could've stayed with her till the end, I'm not trying to imply suicide, I'm just saying that Jane could've stayed a while longer to see her sister before her death since she had enough time to get away...
So, what you are saying is that once Katjaa shot her brains out, Kenny should have done the same?
Why should they commit suicide with the people they care about?
Well if we're going to be technical about this, I might as well pitch in because science.
Nothing holds in heat on its own and heat is co… morenstantly in a state of transferring to where there is less to equal out. Whatever heat was in the car since the last summer has dissipated and spread out, and winter just isn't making it any easier. Further from the sun, the most of the heat is escaping to to the atmosphere, and then in turn to space. Furthermore, cars aren't airtight. Colder temperatures can still reach the inside of cars through vents. "Safe" in this sense would only translate to being shielded from harm by lving things and zombies outside the car, and even then only temporarily. Because babies cry, and no matter how slow a zombie gets, it can still hit things. Given enough time, one zombie can break through a car window with hands that get bruised by the smashing and slashed by the broken glass. The zombies you see sort of hanging out … [view original content]
He apologizes to Lee way after he found out that Lee was bitten and still, determinantly, needed you to convince him to go with you the first time. Took him quite allot of time and a bit of alcohol to apologize...
He behaved like total prick when Lee gets bit.
Not only not helping Lee initially in is search of Vernon´s group hideout is dete… morerminant, but is attitude quickly changes and he helps Lee and the group look for Clem. Also, he apologizes to Lee.
"We are going to get that little girl back, with or without you."
I personally know people who have been in Larry's condition or worse and have been brought back in tact with CPR... there is hope. Kenny's a… morection with Larry is rather debatable, the worst fact on this matter is how he treats Lilly after killing Larry without trying that hard to comfort her.
Are you saying that because you think everyone will automatically regard it as fact? Or are you deliberately baiting them? There are other, appropriate places to make such a statement without derailing an entire thread. On this site, that would be the Telltale Talk subforum.
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How can you be so sure unless you're in that situation? Even after the situation at hand has bean dealt with, will you still be sure? The unknowingness of our actions in such situations can be very different from what we think they will be if we were to be in said situations.
When Lee is talking with the Stranger and you say that you hurt your wife, there comes dialogue where he says it.
"she travelled for work. I didnt like that. I wanted a family"
From what I remember, you were the one who insulted us:
You can't make her stay the same in Season 2 as she was in Season 1, change is a part of growth and adaption, double that in a world filled with corpses and living.
So I guess that's an excuse to let someone suffer? Just because they can die means that there's no point? She was bitten recently, if they had a melee weapon, they could've saved her. I guess the welfare of others outside the group doesn't matter since we play as only one group, just goes to show how playing in a character's perspective changes how we see other characters.
You clearly said:
don't understand, why wouldn't they? You clearly implied she does not have the mindset to understand what you would have explained. They are smart, maybe not as smart as you clearly think you are, but enough to understand it.
She told you that she isn't a stubborn religious woman, I know her and I also know that even though she was raised in a certain way, she never had blindly followed her teachers and always knew that nothing is known in advance, and that we always learn new things that may or may not change our current view on God and life as a whole.
My point is that she would still be able to believe in a creator even if she understands everything you say, because nothing is absolute, God isn't absolute either.
Lee risked his life and it was a miracle that he managed to save Clementine before turning.
Kenny returning in Season 2 was a miracle despite the fact that he was originally dead in Season 1.
Was Kenny rational when Duck was bitten and dying? With Larry there is no proof on either side to say he was turning into a Walker or reviving as a human.
I didnt bother to explain, because even if she understood it, she would most likely just ignore it. They are religious for a reason in times like these, when all the information is available in internet.
And you think I don't know that?
I'm confident that I would manage to pull it off, that does not mean I would actually succeed no matter what, but at least I'd try more than Jane did, seeing that I have already thought of a couple things she could have done to either save her or make her death quicker and a hell of a lot less painful.
So I guess there's no point in trying? You wouldn't take a risk to save someone? I know I would, in my opinion, it's a negative act to let someone die when there is a chance for them to live, just because he has had heart problems in the past doesn't make it hopeless to try and save him. Also, so what if he had a heart attack? People have been revived from heart attacks via CPR, even without the use of medical equipment nor doctors to asses in the situation, so you can't really come to assumptions that it was hopeless to try and save Larry, Kenny didn't give us the chance.
Maybe others, but she isn't like you think, following religion blindly.
So believing in thing which we have no evidence of is not blindly following something?
No, there are still morals that form in your childhood, and Clem had good morals, unless you change them in season 2.
It isn't an excuse, I just thought it's worth mentioning because you made it look like Kenny was just abandoning someone that still had hope in saving.
And no, you couldn't save her, she was bitten in the leg and hand I believe (or one of them), and until they would get there she would have already been bitten a couple more times, since it was a little far and they already had a grasp of her, there was no chance of saving her from there, and if a miracle happened and they did manage so amputate the infected limbs, she would've died of blood loss on the way back or at the motel where the only doctor (veterinarian who had failed in saving an amputee in episode 2) they have would be too late in managing to save her.
No hope.
A series of indirectly caused deaths by Ben and Arvo.
Ever thought that Jane's heart may have been broken? It's evident that she takes insults to heart.
Jane hiding AJ to show Clementine how violent Kenny can get causing in the death of one or the other or even both is worse then letting a friend fight all the battles without pitching in? Especially with the chance that they could meet their fate and they have helped you allot of times non-determinantly? Also, it takes the mentioning of family for Kenny just to come help you search for a little girl whose in danger? Also I will mention the fact that Kenny killed Larry in front of Lilly and has the nerve to say that it was the right thing without evidence of Larry's state at the time and then he has a bigger nerve to call her a murderer and let Lee stay with him and want Lilly to be left behind despite what she has done for the group and her state of mind after losing the one person she cares about?
So making someone suffer because they deserved it is better than just shooting them without suffering? In my opinion, that part made Kenny sink down to Carver's level, possible even lower. He had succumbed to revenge and the only one by his side was Rebecca.
How he reacted was normal, yes, but he only cared for his son, he cared not for other bite victims, showing how selfish Kenny was, he never even showed remorse for allot of the things he had done.
Mew.
She explained that walkers kept coming and she couldnt hold them back. She couldnt force her sister to keep going or throw her to next roof so she had to leave her there. Jamies death is by no means Janes fault. Its like blaming Kenny for letting Katjaa shoot her brains out. Nothing they could have done.
In "following blindly" I meant listening and going according to all rules of religion, as in being a fanatic of the religion and doing everything for that religion blindly, even if it does not make sense, which she doesn't.
Is that a choice or mandatory?
Medicine that they didn't even use...
Well of course he's going to confess to indirectly causing deaths, at least he knows what he'd done and was willing to accept his fate.
The risks of taking allot of food from The Stranger's car was bigger than they thought not to mention that only Kenny and Katjaa also determinantly Lee agreed to the idea.
Kenny killed Larry in cold blood with no knowing of his current status during the situation. Kenny kills Carver for revenge. Kenny kills Jane, determinantly, for revenge.
Just because it was an indirect death does not mean he didn't cause the problem.
By saving Sarita, we knew she could talk, what if she told Kenny it wasn't her fault, which seems like what she was trying to say, but Kenny just blamed Clementine anyway? Kenny just goes off on people... that's no excuse, did you see Rebecca go off on anyone when Alvin died? Bonnie only determinantly goes off on Clementine if you didn't try and save Luke. Did you see Sarah going off on anyone when Carlos died? Did you see Clementine going off on someone when Lee died? Did you see Christa going off on someone when Omid died? Did you see Vernon going off on someone when Brie died? The only character in the group that went off on someone was Lilly, but she lost the last person she truly cared about, how Kenny just went off at Clementine showed his true level of care for Clementine.
He may have been mislead but he never gave Jane the benefit of the doubt.
No, that's your opinion, I think people like Carver deserve pain, eye for an eye to the people they harmed.
Same with Arvo.
No one was bitten but Duck.
I did try, and I would risk it to save someone, but he was as good as dead because he had a history of heart problems, people do not recover from things like that without the things I have stated above, and even though I tried to revive him with CPR along with Lilly, I was glad that he dropped that saltlick when he did, because Larry was about to come for us either way, and I already took a risk.
He didnt care about random girl at the town near pharmacy, he just let her get eaten alive.
He behaved like total prick when Lee gets bit.
Your opinion, to me it was just the will power of a man who had tried to save the person he cared about most, no godly involvement in that, it was very possible to pull off in the first place.
He wasn't, his status was presumed dead.
No he wasn't, and you can't blame him as much as we can't blame her for trying, but they were both as good as dead.
We don't know what kind of situation she was in, therefore you can't say that you'd try more than Jane did when you don't know what she had tried and how limited her time was or what the situation was like. I admire your confidence though
Well she did manage to live without assistance for a longer than expected period of time, but then again we don't fully know what happened to her on the outside. As for Katjaa not being able to save an amputee, she was originally supposed to, the power of the writers rule all rules.
Kenny didn't have to shoot Sarita's brains out.
Jane could've stayed with the only person she cared about till the very end.
I personally know people who have been in Larry's condition or worse and have been brought back in tact with CPR... there is hope. Kenny's action with Larry is rather debatable, the worst fact on this matter is how he treats Lilly after killing Larry without trying that hard to comfort her.
The bitten girl who was roaming the street...
He didn't care as much as you'd think with Lee, he starts an argument that you can end, it's one of the tough decisions therefore it's not a determinant act...
Not only not helping Lee initially in is search of Vernon´s group hideout is determinant, but is attitude quickly changes and he helps Lee and the group look for Clem. Also, he apologizes to Lee.
"We are going to get that little girl back, with or without you."
Awesomo you're the biggest wuss I've ever seen, "Omg @Tinni halp me I can't argue for sihz1!!!" Why the flying fuck are you hiding behind your girlfriend on the internet ...
Also you get butthurt by simple insults, "Omg Am I an asshole? someone called me an asshole and im so sad right now!" "Omg someone called me retarted on this thread i am so sad! waaa waaa" " Omg flog succeeded in making me feel shitty today because he said bad too me waaa waaa" Seriously? Man the fuck up.
Thanks, but I'm saying this going with the personality and life agenda she showed in the game, it's logical to say she didn't try too much if "survival of the fittest" and "when push comes to shove" is what she is saying, and just trying to survive.
So, what you are saying is that once Katjaa shot her brains out, Kenny should have done the same?
Why should they commit suicide with the people they care about?
Well if we're going to be technical about this, I might as well pitch in because science.
Nothing holds in heat on its own and heat is constantly in a state of transferring to where there is less to equal out. Whatever heat was in the car since the last summer has dissipated and spread out, and winter just isn't making it any easier. Further from the sun, the most of the heat is escaping to to the atmosphere, and then in turn to space. Furthermore, cars aren't airtight. Colder temperatures can still reach the inside of cars through vents. "Safe" in this sense would only translate to being shielded from harm by lving things and zombies outside the car, and even then only temporarily. Because babies cry, and no matter how slow a zombie gets, it can still hit things. Given enough time, one zombie can break through a car window with hands that get bruised by the smashing and slashed by the broken glass. The zombies you see sort of hanging out aren't completely frozen. This isn't Antarctica. There's still enough heat to allow some movement.
Over time, AJ most certainly would die from frostbite if never found.
She could've became a ruthless survivor after her sister, Jaime, died.
They could have needed them, and we are never show the characters doing things like eating or shitting, so I don’t know why you assumed that because we are not show them using the medicine means they don´t use it at all.
Doesn´t change the fact that is pretty good reason to hate somebody.
Nope. He is all 'I am sorry Lily, but you know this has to be done' because he was worried about having to fight walker Larry with no weapons. That is hardly murdering in cold blood. Either way, Kenny doesn´t have the luxury we have as players, so judging him for killing Larry and doing the hard thing is pretty illogical, considering that Larry could reanimate in any second and that they were trapped in a small room, weaponless.
Carver was a complete moster. He totally deserved that.
Because he thougth she had killed AJ, and because she try to kill him first by slashing his stomach.
At that moment, Kenny had no reason to think Carver couldn´t just kill him if he gave himself up.
This entire wall of text is stupid, because there is one crucial detail not presented in any situation but Sarita´s death: is Clem´s fault, no matter what choice you pick. If you cut off her arm, she just had the bright idea to cut off a person´s arm in the middle of walker herd, like she didn´t expect Sarita to scream while even Lee screamed and passed out if you chose to cut off its arm, dragging the walkers attention to her and getting her dragged into the ground and bitten. If you don´t cut off her arm, them Clem is responsible because the infection spreads far enough for Sarita to be unsalvageable, and she doesn´t even think of explaining and cutting her arm once they are not surrounded by walkers.
Doest this change that what Jane did was fucked up?
I never said that... when did I say Kenny should commit suicide? Also, where did I mention Katjaa? It was evident that Jaime was the only person Jane cared about at that point in time, if she wanted to, she could've stayed with her till the end, I'm not trying to imply suicide, I'm just saying that Jane could've stayed a while longer to see her sister before her death since she had enough time to get away...
Dude, you are awesome.
He apologizes to Lee way after he found out that Lee was bitten and still, determinantly, needed you to convince him to go with you the first time. Took him quite allot of time and a bit of alcohol to apologize...
Leaving aside that you have no proof to your claim, that must have be with proper medical attention, which Larry did not have.
Are you saying that because you think everyone will automatically regard it as fact? Or are you deliberately baiting them? There are other, appropriate places to make such a statement without derailing an entire thread. On this site, that would be the Telltale Talk subforum.