I dont buy the whole irrational argument. If it was in the moment sure, but its been 2 days. Not saying he wasnt still feeling grief, but he seemed pretty freaking rational when he was quietly escaping with Mike and Bonnie.
Are you fucking kidding? "Blame the writers"
Yeah no shit we can blame them for everything cause they (you guessed it) wrote the game. They wanted him to be a russian motherfucker and that's what we got. Are you really trying to say he is a good person but the writers made him bad. He doesn't have an own will. He was created a piece of shit and that's what he stayed. I see nobody saying: "blame the writers, carver is actually a really nice person" because we need antagonists. And arvo is one. No doubt.
Blame the writers. They didn't give Arvo a chance for redemption at all. No reversal of character or anything. Nope, he was just a plan old Russian villain, fueled in this belief by Kenny's bigotry. I hate that he wasn't ever given a chance.
I don't give a fuck how old he is.. My Clem stood up for him and gave him his meds back and tried to help him out and he goes and SHOOTS AN 11 YEAR OLD GIRL! who gave up her gun... He was a person who knew exactly what he was doing.
When he pulled that trigger he knew he could of ended a little girls life at any moment.
The way I saw Arvo, he was just a guy who liked to blame other people for his own mistakes. If he has been living with his sister for 2 years then why does he willingly lead her to danger? Even if Jane and Clem stole the supplies, he could have just said some walkers trashed the place. There was no need for him to get his group to go after Clem's group. He just seemed to have gone after Clem to satisfy his own ego and he blamed Clem for his siter's death because he didn't want to blame himself.
Blame the writers. They didn't give Arvo a chance for redemption at all. No reversal of character or anything. Nope, he was just a plan old Russian villain, fueled in this belief by Kenny's bigotry. I hate that he wasn't ever given a chance.
That sounds like the reasoning of a coward who doesn't want to take responsibility for robbing someone.
What would I do if some people tried to rob me? Make sure they're dead. It's the most practical thing to do. And don't you dare think you wouldn't want the same thing. When you're wronged, you want to make things even.
Don't act like you wouldn't have done that same thing, because I guarantee most people lack the "strength' to let grudges go. And that's really what Arvo reveals about many players - they're perfectly happy about victims of robberies putting up with it, and are HAPPY to kill them for wanting to do something about their mistreatment.
Y'all need to get robbed yourself before you open your big mouths.
The way I saw Arvo, he was just a guy who liked to blame other people for his own mistakes. If he has been living with his sister for 2 year… mores then why does he willingly lead her to danger? Even if Jane and Clem stole the supplies, he could have just said some walkers trashed the place. There was no need for him to get his group to go after Clem's group. He just seemed to have gone after Clem to satisfy his own ego and he blamed Clem for his siter's death because he didn't want to blame himself.
He didn't see his sister was a zombie. For all he knew, she was crawling because the CPR he performed on her worked - remember that he was being held at gunpoint by a guy who was twisting him away from a clear view of his sister.
He's a young boy, that's evident. Around the same age as Ben. It doesn't diminish either of their misdeeds, but there is a reason why juveniles are treated differently than adults - their cognition is not fully developed yet.
If we're gonna hold grudges, why not hate on Carlos for being the one who suggested the idea that would have killed Clementine had she not had the foresight to disobey him and save herself?
Arvo was a hateful little shit. Pure and simple.
You just.. had to… pull.. the trigger. Pull.. the trigger.. The next move she makes, … moreyou immediately construe as a threat, and shoot out of a combination of fear and spite. That moment, the little girl hits the snow and both of your new friends show immediate concern. Mike looks to you and immediately… you regret it. It shows on your face. You aren’t angry any longer, and what you did doesn’t make you proud—you shot someone. You shot someone. You just kept repeating it to your self and, before you knew it, you ran out of there.
You don't know if that's what was going through his head. I didn't see any sign of regret on his face after pulling the trigger. Only malice. Only hate.
And don't give me the "he thought Clem shot his sister" excuse. This is TWD. Almost two years into the apocalypse. Two years. He knows what happens to people when they die. If he had any kind of intellig… [view original content]
In the end, this is the same kind of linearity that makes the idea of choice meaningless. Arvo shot you because the writers wanted you to hate Mike and Arvo and thought that it'd be "shocking" to transition into the obligatory Lee dream sequence by having a child get shot.
Never mind that they then minimize the impact of said child getting shot by claiming that "Oh the bullet went through" and not using logic to realize that Clem should probably be maimed and close to death.
So he thinks there is a chance Kenny might come out while Clem and Mike are talking, and his method of preventing that is to fire a loud gun… more into the chest of a little girl, pretty much ensuring the thing he was trying to prevent????? How does that make ANY kind of sense??? Like what are these "reasons" that are only solved by shooting a little girl?????
People are fucked in the head if they think shooting kids is ok, Arvo can go fuck himself.. I gave him back his supplies.. he could of shut his mouth and fucked off but nope... he had to come back and fuck everything up and annihilate Clem's entire group and almost kill Clem herself.
That sounds like the reasoning of a coward who doesn't want to take responsibility for robbing someone.
What would I do if some people tr… moreied to rob me? Make sure they're dead. It's the most practical thing to do. And don't you dare think you wouldn't want the same thing. When you're wronged, you want to make things even.
Don't act like you wouldn't have done that same thing, because I guarantee most people lack the "strength' to let grudges go. And that's really what Arvo reveals about many players - they're perfectly happy about victims of robberies putting up with it, and are HAPPY to kill them for wanting to do something about their mistreatment.
Y'all need to get robbed yourself before you open your big mouths.
If you look at writing technique and storytelling structure then no, it's worse. Definitively. You can like it more, I'm never gonna deny you that, if you think that way go ahead. My complaint was about people who say it's just as good and tell people who think differently that they are stupid/assholes...So like what you just did
The title in itself is disrespectful, He may have a point, But he's not portraying it well. Therefore, His thread doesn't even deserve to be read or understood.
Well I understand his situation. I even tried to sympathize with him. I didn't agree with how Kenny treated him. Yes he thought his was "alive" when Clem shot her. But honestly, it's gonna be VERY hard for me to forgive him after shooting Clem. I would hate myself forever if I did what he did(which I would never do, I'd just be angry and be hateful to her if I never knew her before but that's it). You can't just forgive people just like that-- you work hard to make up for the things you've done. THAT'S HOW IT GOES. So no, I'm not gonna forgive him unless he makes up for it if he returns next season. I'll give the guy one chance in redemption, THAT'S ALL THE SLACK I'M GIVING HIM. But who knows, people change. Arvo may be worse next season. BTW Nick also shot at Clem, people were pissed, but he apologized and made up for on the way. One of the reasons a lot like him.
He shot her, you don't accidentally shoot someone your aiming at, he meant to do it. Look at the evil eye he gives Clem during the shootout. He wanted to kill Clementine for two reasons in my mind. The nick situation was totally different. Nick points his gun at Matthew, Matthew points his gun at Nick, at that point it was whoever shoots first. Know what i'm tryhing to say, i don't know if i'm making sense i drank too much last night.
Arvo wanted Kenny to suffer, he knows Clementine is the only person that he is close to.
Arvo blames Clementine for shooting his zombie sister, "apparently he didn't know his sister became a zombie so he got all but hurt at Clementine when she defended Kenny from the zombie.
We dont know if Arvos intent was to kill Clementine, he shot her in total fear you can see his reaction afterwards he wasnt trying to kill Clementine.. Arvo isnt some murderer he is just a teenager.
Well i never called stupid or an asshole. I never said what your stating is wrong, infact i never even said i like Season two more.. i dont i stated that everyone has there reasons and too respect them.
If you look at writing technique and storytelling structure then no, it's worse. Definitively. You can like it more, I'm never gonna deny yo… moreu that, if you think that way go ahead. My complaint was about people who say it's just as good and tell people who think differently that they are stupid/assholes...So like what you just did
Nick is a murderer but was his intent to kill Matthew? No. Matthew didnt have his gun raised, everyone acts like Nick is a god and Arvo should die.
The only thing i cant understand is Arvo knew what was going on and Nick didnt, my Clementine screamed for Kenny and Jane so to me it makes sense on why Arvo did it.
She was standing still. After putting her gun down and posing no danger to Arvo, Mike, or Bonnie at that point.
So yeah, Arvo was clearly… more trying to kill her. Unless standing completely still with no intent to cause any harm is some form of threat, the only thing that keeps Arvo from becoming an actual murderer is that the bullet was just a little off center.
I dont know.....every time Arvo stared at Clem was like "you shot my sister!!!".
It really didn't matter how Clem treats Arvo afterwards because in his eyes, he can only remember the scene where Clem shot Natasha in the forehead.
Going back to episode 4, we can tell Arvo's willing to do anything to keep his sister alive. He was looking for a spot to hide the medicine/supplies for his sister alone but was caught by Clem and Jane.
I don't want to say this in a mean way but I'm more surprised Arvo didnt kill Clem (or maybe he thought he did) when they were trying to steal the truck.
I guess it's a stretch to say this with the evidence given to us in the actual game, but I believe that had Kenny not terrorised Arvo and tr… moreeat him less as a punching bag and more as someone who made a stupid mistake that gets his team killed, the shooting of Clementine wouldn't have happened.
I can understand why Arvo shot Clem. To be honest, it's hard to find a reason to live in a zombie apocalypse. The only reason he's still going at it is because he had his sister. In episode 4 he was so week and scared when Jane had him hostage but then again in episode 5, he did not give a f about Kenny beating him up and possibly and most definitely wont hesitate to shoot him. We can refer to Kenny's behaviour changes after he lost both his wife and kid in season one. He was lucky to find another lady to fall in love with only to lose her again. What it looks like was Arvo was turning into Kenny, at least from my point of view that's the road he'll end up walking anyways.
Maybe we'll see him again in season 3 as the main villain.....or some one who just wants to kill Clem to avenge his sister.
Well, I dunno what I'd do if I were him. But I could never live knowing that I'd stooped so low to the point of shooting a kid. I'd at least immediately regret my decision and face my rightful punishment or run off into the forest and commit suicide.
Don't forget "I picked Kenny, as did the rest of the Kenny fanbase, so MY choice is now canon, any other is wrong. Also You're an idiot to go with any other ending. Kenny4life assholes"
It's borne out of frustration after the calm, measured approach doesn't work. And evidently it hasn't changed - people who are set in their ways still refuse to even read, just as they refused to read or think when the OP was calmer.
The title in itself is disrespectful, He may have a point, But he's not portraying it well. Therefore, His thread doesn't even deserve to be read or understood.
Then he shouldn't be affected by them. The forums are full of extremists that the mods refuse to ban. Such as, Lemoncake for example. But, One shouldn't let those extremists affect one's average style of debating.
It's borne out of frustration after the calm, measured approach doesn't work. And evidently it hasn't changed - people who are set in their ways still refuse to even read, just as they refused to read or think when the OP was calmer.
The point is that Arvo had the mindset to fully justify shooting her - Mike had the situation under his control. It wasn't a life or death situation he was in; he just took the impulse to take revenge. I can see the hatred that Arvo holds for her, but in any case; its that pause, that moment of quiet where he considers his options that made me decide he did step too far. If Clem had threatened Mike further at gunpoint / began to run inside i would've been a bit more understanding.
Thanks for your calm responses too It's nice to hear different opinions and your post did make me think
I've explained several times that pity isn't what I'm looking for for Arvo--just for people to understand his thoughts and emotions because,… more surprisingly enough, there is a huge amount of people that think Arvo shot Clementine for no reason.
Please don't spin that age argument again. I'm sick of it. I know you mean well and your morality is in the right place but--honestly, analyze this for a second.
Age doesn't matter. Arvo is at most 18 and, the youngest I've seen speculated is 15. It's not like he's Lee's age--the fact that she's a child means nothing to him because he's a child too. Also, the whole point of him doing it in the first place was exacting revenge for the sister he thought Clementine shot dead.
Kenny said it best; ''You think just because you're a little girl you can just get people killed?'' There's no passes for Clementine just because she's a kid. There's no room for passes in the apocalypse.
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Why do we have to justify not caring about an undeveloped character that only affected the group negatively? Just because you apply fanfic logic to make them into someone you like doesn't mean others are wrong by using only what is presented.
Nick isn't a murderer. He thought that Matthew was robbing his friends and rushed out onto the bridge, against Luke's wishes, and shot Matthew in what he thought was self defense. Nick is a fuck up. What he did was stupid and it cost someone his life, but he never did it with any malice. That's why Nick is better.
Arvo will shoot Clem no matter what. Is it understandable if he shoots her for calling to Kenny and Jane? I guess so. Is it understandable if Clem puts down her gun and is willing to let Mike, Bonnie, and Arvo go peacefully? No. Not in the slightest. He was intent on murdering her. If he wasn't, then why would he shoot Clem after she'd surrendered?
Nick is a murderer but was his intent to kill Matthew? No. Matthew didnt have his gun raised, everyone acts like Nick is a god and Arvo shou… moreld die.
The only thing i cant understand is Arvo knew what was going on and Nick didnt, my Clementine screamed for Kenny and Jane so to me it makes sense on why Arvo did it.
Dude take a chill pill. Yeah the writers created him like that but I don't think he was that bad. Nick shot Matthew, is he evil? What about your Kenny huh? Volent temper verging on psychotic, yet he cared for the kids. Does that make him evil? No of course not! My point is that Arvo had NO chance at all. We see him through Kenny's perception, a "Ruskie" who caused the deaths of Rebecca and Luke, and just because he is Russian means he's the enemy. But through anyone else's view, you can see a scared victim surrounded by hostile enemies who want nothing more than to cause him pain and misery. All he did was take advantage of a momentary chance at seizing power through the gun. That's the problem with people like you, **you can't see things from anyone else's point of view. ** Kenny calls Arvo the villain so he must be right. Kenny said we have to go to Wellington he must be right. Kenny calls Clem a stupid fucking kid for killing Sarita. Kenny is love, Kenny is life, blah blah blah. Screw Kenny.
Are you fucking kidding? "Blame the writers"
Yeah no shit we can blame them for everything cause they (you guessed it) wrote the game. The… morey wanted him to be a russian motherfucker and that's what we got. Are you really trying to say he is a good person but the writers made him bad. He doesn't have an own will. He was created a piece of shit and that's what he stayed. I see nobody saying: "blame the writers, carver is actually a really nice person" because we need antagonists. And arvo is one. No doubt.
Dude take a chill pill. Yeah the writers created him like that but I don't think he was that bad. Nick shot Matthew, is he evil? What about … moreyour Kenny huh? Volent temper verging on psychotic, yet he cared for the kids. Does that make him evil? No of course not! My point is that Arvo had NO chance at all. We see him through Kenny's perception, a "Ruskie" who caused the deaths of Rebecca and Luke, and just because he is Russian means he's the enemy. But through anyone else's view, you can see a scared victim surrounded by hostile enemies who want nothing more than to cause him pain and misery. All he did was take advantage of a momentary chance at seizing power through the gun. That's the problem with people like you, **you can't see things from anyone else's point of view. ** Kenny calls Arvo the villain so he must be right. Kenny said we have to go to Wellington he must be right. Kenny calls Clem a stupid fucking kid for killing Sarita. Kenny is love, Kenny is life, blah blah blah. Screw Kenny.
I wonder what lee wouldve done with arvo if he was there. I mean, he can threaten andy st john for taking clementine hostage with "You fucker! I'LL KILL YOU!". And if he actually saw arvo shoot clem, arvo better find a way to hobble faster than the speed of light.
Okay with this Arvo thing, as I understand it, he got pissed off at Clementine for taking his meds/Jane threaten him and took his gun - that depends on the players actions. in ep5 however Clementine shoots his sister (this done default the player has nothing to do with it, so it was a mercy killing), because she comes back as a zombie. This action make Arvo pissed off at Clementine, he gales at her and cries. This leads to the idea that the Russians didn't know about that fact if a person dies other then getting a zombie bite they will come back as a zombie no matter what, everyone has this factor- shoot in the head is the quickest way to put that person out of misery. For Arvo he was doing CPR on his sister, when she got up it would be a relief then someone kills her again.
Again I am not blaming Clementine at all. I am just explain to a person who didn't know that important info about the zombies its understandable that Arvo is pissed off at Clementine, this leads to Arvo shoots Clementine latter on in the episode - the players hate that about him, cause everyone loves Clementine. But Arvo is not totally irrational he shoot her because what happens to his sister, and he didn't understand what really happened.
This is different. Clem can interact with people. Clem has little interaction with Arvo so therefore no chance of redemption/change of perception for him. It's not like I can talk to Voldemort can I?
He's... a fictional character. So......
Yeah..... of COURSE you can blame the writers.
Mad at (wizard) for killing Harry's (spoiler)? BLAME THE WRITERS! Don't hate the character!
This is different. Clem can interact with people. Clem has little interaction with Arvo so therefore no chance of redemption/change of perception for him. It's not like I can talk to Voldemort can I?
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That he seemed-at was-, rational when he was escaping with Mike and Bonnie doesn´t mean he was not blocking up any possibility that Clem was innocent.
Are you fucking kidding? "Blame the writers"
Yeah no shit we can blame them for everything cause they (you guessed it) wrote the game. They wanted him to be a russian motherfucker and that's what we got. Are you really trying to say he is a good person but the writers made him bad. He doesn't have an own will. He was created a piece of shit and that's what he stayed. I see nobody saying: "blame the writers, carver is actually a really nice person" because we need antagonists. And arvo is one. No doubt.
I don't give a fuck how old he is.. My Clem stood up for him and gave him his meds back and tried to help him out and he goes and SHOOTS AN 11 YEAR OLD GIRL! who gave up her gun... He was a person who knew exactly what he was doing.
When he pulled that trigger he knew he could of ended a little girls life at any moment.
The way I saw Arvo, he was just a guy who liked to blame other people for his own mistakes. If he has been living with his sister for 2 years then why does he willingly lead her to danger? Even if Jane and Clem stole the supplies, he could have just said some walkers trashed the place. There was no need for him to get his group to go after Clem's group. He just seemed to have gone after Clem to satisfy his own ego and he blamed Clem for his siter's death because he didn't want to blame himself.
He's... a fictional character. So......
Yeah..... of COURSE you can blame the writers.
Mad at (wizard) for killing Harry's (spoiler)? BLAME THE WRITERS! Don't hate the character!
That sounds like the reasoning of a coward who doesn't want to take responsibility for robbing someone.
What would I do if some people tried to rob me? Make sure they're dead. It's the most practical thing to do. And don't you dare think you wouldn't want the same thing. When you're wronged, you want to make things even.
Don't act like you wouldn't have done that same thing, because I guarantee most people lack the "strength' to let grudges go. And that's really what Arvo reveals about many players - they're perfectly happy about victims of robberies putting up with it, and are HAPPY to kill them for wanting to do something about their mistreatment.
Y'all need to get robbed yourself before you open your big mouths.
A quadruple facepalm is in order for people who haven't even tried to read this thread or let reason overcome their emotions.
He didn't see his sister was a zombie. For all he knew, she was crawling because the CPR he performed on her worked - remember that he was being held at gunpoint by a guy who was twisting him away from a clear view of his sister.
He's a young boy, that's evident. Around the same age as Ben. It doesn't diminish either of their misdeeds, but there is a reason why juveniles are treated differently than adults - their cognition is not fully developed yet.
If we're gonna hold grudges, why not hate on Carlos for being the one who suggested the idea that would have killed Clementine had she not had the foresight to disobey him and save herself?
In the end, this is the same kind of linearity that makes the idea of choice meaningless. Arvo shot you because the writers wanted you to hate Mike and Arvo and thought that it'd be "shocking" to transition into the obligatory Lee dream sequence by having a child get shot.
Never mind that they then minimize the impact of said child getting shot by claiming that "Oh the bullet went through" and not using logic to realize that Clem should probably be maimed and close to death.
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Please TT, give me the option to kill Arvo in S3.
People are fucked in the head if they think shooting kids is ok, Arvo can go fuck himself.. I gave him back his supplies.. he could of shut his mouth and fucked off but nope... he had to come back and fuck everything up and annihilate Clem's entire group and almost kill Clem herself.
If you look at writing technique and storytelling structure then no, it's worse. Definitively. You can like it more, I'm never gonna deny you that, if you think that way go ahead. My complaint was about people who say it's just as good and tell people who think differently that they are stupid/assholes...So like what you just did
The title in itself is disrespectful, He may have a point, But he's not portraying it well. Therefore, His thread doesn't even deserve to be read or understood.
Well I understand his situation. I even tried to sympathize with him. I didn't agree with how Kenny treated him. Yes he thought his was "alive" when Clem shot her. But honestly, it's gonna be VERY hard for me to forgive him after shooting Clem. I would hate myself forever if I did what he did(which I would never do, I'd just be angry and be hateful to her if I never knew her before but that's it). You can't just forgive people just like that-- you work hard to make up for the things you've done. THAT'S HOW IT GOES. So no, I'm not gonna forgive him unless he makes up for it if he returns next season. I'll give the guy one chance in redemption, THAT'S ALL THE SLACK I'M GIVING HIM. But who knows, people change. Arvo may be worse next season. BTW Nick also shot at Clem, people were pissed, but he apologized and made up for on the way. One of the reasons a lot like him.
But, uh, good post overall. Have a like.
He shot her, you don't accidentally shoot someone your aiming at, he meant to do it. Look at the evil eye he gives Clem during the shootout. He wanted to kill Clementine for two reasons in my mind. The nick situation was totally different. Nick points his gun at Matthew, Matthew points his gun at Nick, at that point it was whoever shoots first. Know what i'm tryhing to say, i don't know if i'm making sense i drank too much last night.
Arvo wanted Kenny to suffer, he knows Clementine is the only person that he is close to.
Arvo blames Clementine for shooting his zombie sister, "apparently he didn't know his sister became a zombie so he got all but hurt at Clementine when she defended Kenny from the zombie.
I frankly understand his situation and why he acted the way he did.
But in the end, that doesn´t erase my anger towards him for shooting a child (Clementine, at that). So if I have the option in S3...it´s payback time.
Well i never called stupid or an asshole. I never said what your stating is wrong, infact i never even said i like Season two more.. i dont i stated that everyone has there reasons and too respect them.
Nick is a murderer but was his intent to kill Matthew? No. Matthew didnt have his gun raised, everyone acts like Nick is a god and Arvo should die.
The only thing i cant understand is Arvo knew what was going on and Nick didnt, my Clementine screamed for Kenny and Jane so to me it makes sense on why Arvo did it.
I dont know.....every time Arvo stared at Clem was like "you shot my sister!!!".
It really didn't matter how Clem treats Arvo afterwards because in his eyes, he can only remember the scene where Clem shot Natasha in the forehead.
Going back to episode 4, we can tell Arvo's willing to do anything to keep his sister alive. He was looking for a spot to hide the medicine/supplies for his sister alone but was caught by Clem and Jane.
I don't want to say this in a mean way but I'm more surprised Arvo didnt kill Clem (or maybe he thought he did) when they were trying to steal the truck.
I can understand why Arvo shot Clem. To be honest, it's hard to find a reason to live in a zombie apocalypse. The only reason he's still going at it is because he had his sister. In episode 4 he was so week and scared when Jane had him hostage but then again in episode 5, he did not give a f about Kenny beating him up and possibly and most definitely wont hesitate to shoot him. We can refer to Kenny's behaviour changes after he lost both his wife and kid in season one. He was lucky to find another lady to fall in love with only to lose her again. What it looks like was Arvo was turning into Kenny, at least from my point of view that's the road he'll end up walking anyways.
Maybe we'll see him again in season 3 as the main villain.....or some one who just wants to kill Clem to avenge his sister.
Don't forget "I picked Kenny, as did the rest of the Kenny fanbase, so MY choice is now canon, any other is wrong. Also You're an idiot to go with any other ending. Kenny4life assholes"
It's borne out of frustration after the calm, measured approach doesn't work. And evidently it hasn't changed - people who are set in their ways still refuse to even read, just as they refused to read or think when the OP was calmer.
Then he shouldn't be affected by them. The forums are full of extremists that the mods refuse to ban. Such as, Lemoncake for example. But, One shouldn't let those extremists affect one's average style of debating.
The point is that Arvo had the mindset to fully justify shooting her - Mike had the situation under his control. It wasn't a life or death situation he was in; he just took the impulse to take revenge. I can see the hatred that Arvo holds for her, but in any case; its that pause, that moment of quiet where he considers his options that made me decide he did step too far. If Clem had threatened Mike further at gunpoint / began to run inside i would've been a bit more understanding.
Thanks for your calm responses too
It's nice to hear different opinions and your post did make me think
Why do we have to justify not caring about an undeveloped character that only affected the group negatively? Just because you apply fanfic logic to make them into someone you like doesn't mean others are wrong by using only what is presented.
Nick isn't a murderer. He thought that Matthew was robbing his friends and rushed out onto the bridge, against Luke's wishes, and shot Matthew in what he thought was self defense. Nick is a fuck up. What he did was stupid and it cost someone his life, but he never did it with any malice. That's why Nick is better.
Arvo will shoot Clem no matter what. Is it understandable if he shoots her for calling to Kenny and Jane? I guess so. Is it understandable if Clem puts down her gun and is willing to let Mike, Bonnie, and Arvo go peacefully? No. Not in the slightest. He was intent on murdering her. If he wasn't, then why would he shoot Clem after she'd surrendered?
Dude take a chill pill. Yeah the writers created him like that but I don't think he was that bad. Nick shot Matthew, is he evil? What about your Kenny huh? Volent temper verging on psychotic, yet he cared for the kids. Does that make him evil? No of course not! My point is that Arvo had NO chance at all. We see him through Kenny's perception, a "Ruskie" who caused the deaths of Rebecca and Luke, and just because he is Russian means he's the enemy. But through anyone else's view, you can see a scared victim surrounded by hostile enemies who want nothing more than to cause him pain and misery. All he did was take advantage of a momentary chance at seizing power through the gun. That's the problem with people like you, **you can't see things from anyone else's point of view. ** Kenny calls Arvo the villain so he must be right. Kenny said we have to go to Wellington he must be right. Kenny calls Clem a stupid fucking kid for killing Sarita. Kenny is love, Kenny is life, blah blah blah. Screw Kenny.
Kenny is an awesome god:)
I wonder what lee wouldve done with arvo if he was there. I mean, he can threaten andy st john for taking clementine hostage with "You fucker! I'LL KILL YOU!". And if he actually saw arvo shoot clem, arvo better find a way to hobble faster than the speed of light.
Carver got humiliated? How? I mean, he did get his face bashed in.. but really don't see how it's humiliation?
Okay with this Arvo thing, as I understand it, he got pissed off at Clementine for taking his meds/Jane threaten him and took his gun - that depends on the players actions. in ep5 however Clementine shoots his sister (this done default the player has nothing to do with it, so it was a mercy killing), because she comes back as a zombie. This action make Arvo pissed off at Clementine, he gales at her and cries. This leads to the idea that the Russians didn't know about that fact if a person dies other then getting a zombie bite they will come back as a zombie no matter what, everyone has this factor- shoot in the head is the quickest way to put that person out of misery. For Arvo he was doing CPR on his sister, when she got up it would be a relief then someone kills her again.
Again I am not blaming Clementine at all. I am just explain to a person who didn't know that important info about the zombies its understandable that Arvo is pissed off at Clementine, this leads to Arvo shoots Clementine latter on in the episode - the players hate that about him, cause everyone loves Clementine. But Arvo is not totally irrational he shoot her because what happens to his sister, and he didn't understand what really happened.
I understand Arvo, but that doesn't mean I pity him.
Oh boy...
This is different. Clem can interact with people. Clem has little interaction with Arvo so therefore no chance of redemption/change of perception for him. It's not like I can talk to Voldemort can I?
Dat wall of text.
He got shot in both of his legs and had to crawl around on the floor, waiting for kenny to put him out of his misery... I would feel humiliated
The point is that they wrote him that way.
The way they wrote him is cannon, and while I like the way they wrote him, when I pretend that he's real I hate him and want him to die in a fire.
They did a good job.