I realize that many are not aware of the method "Ignore those who bother you", for it was once utilized greatly in ancient times, and is guaranteed to rarely fail. Perhaps it is time to educate our peers and resurrect this concept?
It is one thing to call someone out on their behavior, it is another to complain about someone behind their back with other people, whilst trying get them banned by rallying in others for your cause.
The direct approach is clearly not working. They have proven they deserve to be banned. I know several people who have flat out left because of them. All that will be left are the assholes and I for one am not willing to let them drive me off. And ignoring them = just letting them have their way with the forums.
It is one thing to call someone out on their behavior, it is another to complain about someone behind their back with other people, whilst trying get them banned by rallying in others for your cause.
Guys I just can't deal with these guys...
They comment something and then say something else to each other about how they feel sorry for … morethe mods for getting reports from me...
What's the point in being on the forums if this is the fanbase who actually gets the most support?
I'll take your word that it's against the rules, even though I can't find anything saying it's wrong to discuss their actions if they aren't banned, but if it's true, I regret it and apologise.
(What specific section of the TWD forum rules are you referring to? I thought I knew them pretty well!)
But I would argue that what I'm doing isn't quite the same as what lemoncakes is. I'm reporting what he says, and saying it upsets me. Whereas he is actually saying hurtful things. I'm sure he doesn't give a toss that I am upset by his words.
Nor do I see you standing up to him equally as you are to me, if you think the situations are the same. I mean, you acknowledge that, in your opinion, that makes me as bad as him, and that's a perfectly fair thing to say. But if that's true, why do you only point that out to me, and not him? Don't you think that seems a little unfair?
The way to say I have a problem is to report the post, not to PM it, in accordance with section 1.1 of the forum guidelines, and so I did so.
I've already replied to you, and others about this, but you do realize you aren't allowed to discuss other members in the public forums, esp… moreecially about them being banned?
Just stop it Flog. If you have a problem, talk to a mod in PM, not in public. It doesn't make you look any better than Lemoncakes.
lol... I couldn't have made it more obvious if I had put flashing lights and signs saying as much. This forum has made me hostile. Every time I dare step out there there is someone insulting me for what decisions I made in a fucking video game.
That kind of bullshit immaturity would make even Gandhi a little hostile!
lol... I couldn't have made it more obvious if I had put flashing lights and signs saying as much. This forum has made me hostile. Every t… moreime I dare step out there there is someone insulting me for what decisions I made in a fucking video game.
That kind of bullshit immaturity would make even Gandhi a little hostile!
I have no idea to which Jane fan you are talking about (that one who's name begins with Z? He hasn't posted NEARLY as much as lemoncakes) but regardless, just because you can successfully ignore one person doesn't mean everyone on the planet can ignore everyone on the planet.
I've already replied to you, and others about this, but you do realize you aren't allowed to discuss other members in the public forums, esp… moreecially about them being banned?
Just stop it Flog. If you have a problem, talk to a mod in PM, not in public. It doesn't make you look any better than Lemoncakes.
I'm not entirely sure it's in the rules (But honestly I have no idea what any of the forum rules are, as I am a bad motherfucker who likes to live life on the edge) but I believe I recall Blind Sniper saying something along the lines of what Tinni is saying in another thread (Which was one of the many Jane V Kenny threads).
I'll take your word that it's against the rules, even though I can't find anything saying it's wrong to discuss their actions if they aren't… more banned, but if it's true, I regret it and apologise.
(What specific section of the TWD forum rules are you referring to? I thought I knew them pretty well!)
But I would argue that what I'm doing isn't quite the same as what lemoncakes is. I'm reporting what he says, and saying it upsets me. Whereas he is actually saying hurtful things. I'm sure he doesn't give a toss that I am upset by his words.
Nor do I see you standing up to him equally as you are to me, if you think the situations are the same. I mean, you acknowledge that, in your opinion, that makes me as bad as him, and that's a perfectly fair thing to say. But if that's true, why do you only point that out to me, and not him? Don't you think that seems a little unfair?
The way to say I have a problem is to report the post, not to PM it, in accordance with section 1.1 of the forum guidelines, and so I did so.
I'm not entirely sure it's in the rules (But honestly I have no idea what any of the forum rules are, as I am a bad motherfucker who likes t… moreo live life on the edge) but I believe I recall Blind Sniper saying something along the lines of what Tinni is saying in another thread (Which was one of the many Jane V Kenny threads).
It may not be written, but mods have already told members numerous times not to discuss other members, and urging others to get him banned definitely falls into that category.
Lemoncakes is known to be quite the troll every now and then, but as I said previously, that doesn't constitute the discussion of getting him banned, and how annoying he is, unless it's in a PM. In the past, I have attempted to point out that Lemoncakes behavior is sometimes uncalled for/callous, but I don't think he really cares about that. Drawing from the saying "Don't feed the Trolls", I have found that ignoring him, or simply just replying to his good posts is a better method, that way he has no ammo for trolling. While doing this, I have found that Lemoncakes isn't as bad as other trolls on here. If you let him know he's bothering you, it's obvious he's not going to stop nor does he care.
Alright, then wait for them to take action. Don't broadcast your irritation with their lack to immediate action in public forums. And anyways, the best tactic with trolls has always been to ignore them.
I'll take your word that it's against the rules, even though I can't find anything saying it's wrong to discuss their actions if they aren't… more banned, but if it's true, I regret it and apologise.
(What specific section of the TWD forum rules are you referring to? I thought I knew them pretty well!)
But I would argue that what I'm doing isn't quite the same as what lemoncakes is. I'm reporting what he says, and saying it upsets me. Whereas he is actually saying hurtful things. I'm sure he doesn't give a toss that I am upset by his words.
Nor do I see you standing up to him equally as you are to me, if you think the situations are the same. I mean, you acknowledge that, in your opinion, that makes me as bad as him, and that's a perfectly fair thing to say. But if that's true, why do you only point that out to me, and not him? Don't you think that seems a little unfair?
The way to say I have a problem is to report the post, not to PM it, in accordance with section 1.1 of the forum guidelines, and so I did so.
Personally, I think it's silly to get upset to the point of leaving because of another member's conduct on an online forum. Sometimes direct approaches don't work, you are right. That is when you just plain ignore them, scroll past their posts and don't reply. It's not letting them have their way, because if you don't reply, you aren't letting them get a rise out of you, which is exactly what they want.
The direct approach is clearly not working. They have proven they deserve to be banned. I know several people who have flat out left becau… morese of them. All that will be left are the assholes and I for one am not willing to let them drive me off. And ignoring them = just letting them have their way with the forums.
Fuck that!
Well, people are different.
I have no idea to which Jane fan you are talking about (that one who's name begins with Z? He hasn't posted N… moreEARLY as much as lemoncakes) but regardless, just because you can successfully ignore one person doesn't mean everyone on the planet can ignore everyone on the planet.
It's really not though. There are plenty of people here who get on my nerves, and if they don't conduct themselves in a proper manner after I've pointed their behavior out to them, the easiest and best thing to do is ignore them.
Well for now I'll just abide by the actual forum guidelines until they change them, but thanks for bringing it to my attention.
I know we're supposed to ignore them etc. but it's much much harder to do when its personal stuff directed at yourself. It's perfectly natural to instinctively defend yourself. Now, that may not always be the best logical option, but as in instinct we don't always think logically, I essentially stick by what I've done, especially as none of it contradicts the forum rules as his posts have.
If I was really trying to 'broadcast' it, I would have made a new thread. No, I just commented here because lots of the people who I like hang out here, and would understand what I was going through.
It may not be written, but mods have already told members numerous times not to discuss other members, and urging others to get him banned d… moreefinitely falls into that category.
Lemoncakes is known to be quite the troll every now and then, but as I said previously, that doesn't constitute the discussion of getting him banned, and how annoying he is, unless it's in a PM. In the past, I have attempted to point out that Lemoncakes behavior is sometimes uncalled for/callous, but I don't think he really cares about that. Drawing from the saying "Don't feed the Trolls", I have found that ignoring him, or simply just replying to his good posts is a better method, that way he has no ammo for trolling. While doing this, I have found that Lemoncakes isn't as bad as other trolls on here. If you let him know he's bothering you, it's obvious he's not going to stop nor does he care.
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When personal insults come into play, that is when it is imperative to check out of the argument. Replying is playing right in to the troll's hands at that point. I understand what you mean by letting your anger get the best of you, it happens to me as well. All you can do at that point is flag them, and ignore them.
You are broadcasting it, because this is a public forum, you've commented on him several times throughout the thread, and have engaged in discussing with others why he should get banned, why hasn't he gotten banned etc. Those type of discussions are best for PMs.
Well for now I'll just abide by the actual forum guidelines until they change them, but thanks for bringing it to my attention.
I know we… more're supposed to ignore them etc. but it's much much harder to do when its personal stuff directed at yourself. It's perfectly natural to instinctively defend yourself. Now, that may not always be the best logical option, but as in instinct we don't always think logically, I essentially stick by what I've done, especially as none of it contradicts the forum rules as his posts have.
If I was really trying to 'broadcast' it, I would have made a new thread. No, I just commented here because lots of the people who I like hang out here, and would understand what I was going through.
It's really not though. There are plenty of people here who get on my nerves, and if they don't conduct themselves in a proper manner after I've pointed their behavior out to them, the easiest and best thing to do is ignore them.
You always talk about how this forum needs to be changed, and what changes need to be made in order to improve the forums, how people should be acting, and how they shouldn't be acting etc. In a way, you've appointed yourself to this position as someone who know's what's best, you are the ringleader in this movement. It's as if you want to be a moderator lately. All I'm saying is that when you are advocating appropriate conduct, you yourself must be practicing as you preach, especially given the position you've taken in the manner.
He, And a bunch of his friends used to team up against me on TWAU forums when i criticize Snow. He's the reason why I almost left the forums for the second time.
Nope. That guy is so horrible at debating. Never changes his mind, Never accepts a different view because they all make no sense to him. I w… moreish to see one argument he was involved in that ended up with him convinced that he was wrong, Or that he miscalculated things. He, And a bunch of his friends used to team up against me on TWAU forums when i criticize Snow. He's the reason why I almost left the forums for the second time. Whenever i make a valid point, He calls it nonsense, Always looking for a way to elude himself from admitting that he was wrong. I understand his loyalty to his favorite characters, But his one sided arguments need to stop.
Even when you engage him in the debate he resorts to "you're just making assumptions" when he has no actual way of winning the argument.
OR, You have no evidence.
Again, I really struggle with that. I can't just ignore someone if they're saying shit about me.
It's probably due to feeling helpless when I was young or whatever. Now I actually have the ability to stand up for myself, I can't control it.
The PM system here is very slow; it's far more easy to just stick on one thread and discuss it with people you get on with. Plus sometimes people you don't really know will just pop up and make you feel better, which is impossible in PMs
When personal insults come into play, that is when it is imperative to check out of the argument. Replying is playing right in to the troll'… mores hands at that point. I understand what you mean by letting your anger get the best of you, it happens to me as well. All you can do at that point is flag them, and ignore them.
You are broadcasting it, because this is a public forum, you've commented on him several times throughout the thread, and have engaged in discussing with others why he should get banned, why hasn't he gotten banned etc. Those type of discussions are best for PMs.
Oh I certainly don't want to be a moderator. I couldn't be even if I did; I have absolutely no time for that.
All I know is that I'm sticking up for the group I can empathise with, of course, and voicing my opinion that the forum guidelines need to be updated. You yourself would agree, seeing as you told me off for doing something which isn't in the guidelines but has been spoken against by mods: the guidelines need revising.
And, actually, I do practise what I preach. I respect people's opinions on the endings, yes, fine 100%. I argue with lemoncakes not about his choice of ending, but rather that he does not respect others' choices, which is rule 1.1 in the guidelines.
On the subject of me saying I know best, in this situation I haven't had one person come out and disagree with me that opinions should be respected. As a result, as far as I'm concerned, my sentiment is shared by most people here.
You always talk about how this forum needs to be changed, and what changes need to be made in order to improve the forums, how people should… more be acting, and how they shouldn't be acting etc. In a way, you've appointed yourself to this position as someone who know's what's best, you are the ringleader in this movement. It's as if you want to be a moderator lately. All I'm saying is that when you are advocating appropriate conduct, you yourself must be practicing as you preach, especially given the position you've taken in the manner.
I'm no saint, In the past I've said things to trolls on here that don't make me look any better than them. I'm only calling you out because of this movement, or whatever you'd call it, that you've started. The forum guidelines do need some revamping, you're right there.
Appropriate conduct/behavior isn't talking about other members behind their back, nor telling others how you want them banned.
Oh I certainly don't want to be a moderator. I couldn't be even if I did; I have absolutely no time for that.
All I know is that I'm stic… moreking up for the group I can empathise with, of course, and voicing my opinion that the forum guidelines need to be updated. You yourself would agree, seeing as you told me off for doing something which isn't in the guidelines but has been spoken against by mods: the guidelines need revising.
And, actually, I do practise what I preach. I respect people's opinions on the endings, yes, fine 100%. I argue with lemoncakes not about his choice of ending, but rather that he does not respect others' choices, which is rule 1.1 in the guidelines.
On the subject of me saying I know best, in this situation I haven't had one person come out and disagree with me that opinions should be respected. As a result, as far as I'm concerned, my sentiment is shared by most people here.
Maybe thats ignorant, I don't know.
Don't worry Belan, you're a great guy. Whenever I see one of your posts it brightens up my day because they are so thought out and never hostile to other posters, which can't be said for everyone.
He, And a bunch of his friends used to team up against me on TWAU forums when i criticize Snow. He's the reason why I almost left the forums for the second time.
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...the entire movement is about revampnig the guidelines so I'm not quite sure what you're point is.
I don't see how saying I wish someone were banned is inappropriate ethically.
As for talking behind his back, yeah I'd take that back if I could. But again, you seem to tell me off for this kind of thing when lots of people do it including him. And the stuff I'm saying is less offensive than what he did.
It just feels like you're picking on me sometimes.
I'm no saint, In the past I've said things to trolls on here that don't make me look any better than them. I'm only calling you out because … moreof this movement, or whatever you'd call it, that you've started. The forum guidelines do need some revamping, you're right there.
Appropriate conduct/behavior isn't talking about other members behind their back, nor telling others how you want them banned.
...the entire movement is about revampnig the guidelines so I'm not quite sure what you're point is.
I don't see how saying I wish someon… moree were banned is inappropriate ethically.
As for talking behind his back, yeah I'd take that back if I could. But again, you seem to tell me off for this kind of thing when lots of people do it including him. And the stuff I'm saying is less offensive than what he did.
It just feels like you're picking on me sometimes.
Allow me to be the first to say that I don't think all opinions should be respected by virtue of being an opinion. I don't think that people should be forced to respect opinions that they disagree with. If I find someone's opinion morally or logically incorrect, and just all around disagree with it, then I am not going to respect it. The point of a debate/argument is not to find ways to agree with each other so no one gets their feelings hurt, it is to establish a definite proposition. I may be a minority of one, but at least you'll respect my opinion.
And I'll end this with a humorous quote from George Carlin, "I have a right to my opinion, and my opinion is that you have no right to your opinion."
Oh I certainly don't want to be a moderator. I couldn't be even if I did; I have absolutely no time for that.
All I know is that I'm stic… moreking up for the group I can empathise with, of course, and voicing my opinion that the forum guidelines need to be updated. You yourself would agree, seeing as you told me off for doing something which isn't in the guidelines but has been spoken against by mods: the guidelines need revising.
And, actually, I do practise what I preach. I respect people's opinions on the endings, yes, fine 100%. I argue with lemoncakes not about his choice of ending, but rather that he does not respect others' choices, which is rule 1.1 in the guidelines.
On the subject of me saying I know best, in this situation I haven't had one person come out and disagree with me that opinions should be respected. As a result, as far as I'm concerned, my sentiment is shared by most people here.
Maybe thats ignorant, I don't know.
He, And a bunch of his friends used to team up against me on TWAU forums when i criticize Snow. He's the reason why I almost left the forums for the second time.
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I learned on these ancient tools. They taught me well, and showed me the color of green.
Well when i was shot in the hand i did cry. So maybe so
Haha such a beautiful scene!
Ahh those Robin WIlliams feels ;-; rip
It is one thing to call someone out on their behavior, it is another to complain about someone behind their back with other people, whilst trying get them banned by rallying in others for your cause.
Well we have now! You new here?
I thought those were just a myth!
An ancient artifact indeed, I recall seeing these on display in a museum.
The direct approach is clearly not working. They have proven they deserve to be banned. I know several people who have flat out left because of them. All that will be left are the assholes and I for one am not willing to let them drive me off. And ignoring them = just letting them have their way with the forums.
Fuck that!
FIGHT THE URGE, DON'T SINK TO THEIR LEVEL.
I'll take your word that it's against the rules, even though I can't find anything saying it's wrong to discuss their actions if they aren't banned, but if it's true, I regret it and apologise.
(What specific section of the TWD forum rules are you referring to? I thought I knew them pretty well!)
But I would argue that what I'm doing isn't quite the same as what lemoncakes is. I'm reporting what he says, and saying it upsets me. Whereas he is actually saying hurtful things. I'm sure he doesn't give a toss that I am upset by his words.
Nor do I see you standing up to him equally as you are to me, if you think the situations are the same. I mean, you acknowledge that, in your opinion, that makes me as bad as him, and that's a perfectly fair thing to say. But if that's true, why do you only point that out to me, and not him? Don't you think that seems a little unfair?
The way to say I have a problem is to report the post, not to PM it, in accordance with section 1.1 of the forum guidelines, and so I did so.
I'm sensing a very hostile tone from you. Don't deny it, I'm good at picking up on this stuff.
It's rather hard to do when they're one of the most vocal people on the forum AND they've broken the forum guidelines.
lol... I couldn't have made it more obvious if I had put flashing lights and signs saying as much. This forum has made me hostile. Every time I dare step out there there is someone insulting me for what decisions I made in a fucking video game.
That kind of bullshit immaturity would make even Gandhi a little hostile!
I think if i can ignore a certain vocal Jane fan, anyone can ignore anyone.
So being hostile to concerned forum users is how you end hostility on the forums?
Maybe not... But tiptoeing around the issue like eggshells sure as hell ain't doing shit.
Well, people are different.
I have no idea to which Jane fan you are talking about (that one who's name begins with Z? He hasn't posted NEARLY as much as lemoncakes) but regardless, just because you can successfully ignore one person doesn't mean everyone on the planet can ignore everyone on the planet.
EDIT: Ignore
I'm not entirely sure it's in the rules (But honestly I have no idea what any of the forum rules are, as I am a bad motherfucker who likes to live life on the edge) but I believe I recall Blind Sniper saying something along the lines of what Tinni is saying in another thread (Which was one of the many Jane V Kenny threads).
Such a great movie, and a fantastic scene.
Well if it's not in the forum guidelines I can hardly be blamed for doing it, considering I didn't know it isn't allowed...
It may not be written, but mods have already told members numerous times not to discuss other members, and urging others to get him banned definitely falls into that category.
Lemoncakes is known to be quite the troll every now and then, but as I said previously, that doesn't constitute the discussion of getting him banned, and how annoying he is, unless it's in a PM. In the past, I have attempted to point out that Lemoncakes behavior is sometimes uncalled for/callous, but I don't think he really cares about that. Drawing from the saying "Don't feed the Trolls", I have found that ignoring him, or simply just replying to his good posts is a better method, that way he has no ammo for trolling. While doing this, I have found that Lemoncakes isn't as bad as other trolls on here. If you let him know he's bothering you, it's obvious he's not going to stop nor does he care.
Alright, then wait for them to take action. Don't broadcast your irritation with their lack to immediate action in public forums. And anyways, the best tactic with trolls has always been to ignore them.
Personally, I think it's silly to get upset to the point of leaving because of another member's conduct on an online forum. Sometimes direct approaches don't work, you are right. That is when you just plain ignore them, scroll past their posts and don't reply. It's not letting them have their way, because if you don't reply, you aren't letting them get a rise out of you, which is exactly what they want.
I understand, all i can say is try
I don't want to single anyone out that is why i didn't name anyone.
It's really not though. There are plenty of people here who get on my nerves, and if they don't conduct themselves in a proper manner after I've pointed their behavior out to them, the easiest and best thing to do is ignore them.
Well for now I'll just abide by the actual forum guidelines until they change them, but thanks for bringing it to my attention.
I know we're supposed to ignore them etc. but it's much much harder to do when its personal stuff directed at yourself. It's perfectly natural to instinctively defend yourself. Now, that may not always be the best logical option, but as in instinct we don't always think logically, I essentially stick by what I've done, especially as none of it contradicts the forum rules as his posts have.
If I was really trying to 'broadcast' it, I would have made a new thread. No, I just commented here because lots of the people who I like hang out here, and would understand what I was going through.
When personal insults come into play, that is when it is imperative to check out of the argument. Replying is playing right in to the troll's hands at that point. I understand what you mean by letting your anger get the best of you, it happens to me as well. All you can do at that point is flag them, and ignore them.
You are broadcasting it, because this is a public forum, you've commented on him several times throughout the thread, and have engaged in discussing with others why he should get banned, why hasn't he gotten banned etc. Those type of discussions are best for PMs.
It's really not for you*.
As I mentioned to George, people are different. It's great that you can do that easily, congratulations.
I can't.
You always talk about how this forum needs to be changed, and what changes need to be made in order to improve the forums, how people should be acting, and how they shouldn't be acting etc. In a way, you've appointed yourself to this position as someone who know's what's best, you are the ringleader in this movement. It's as if you want to be a moderator lately. All I'm saying is that when you are advocating appropriate conduct, you yourself must be practicing as you preach, especially given the position you've taken in the manner.
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Again, I really struggle with that. I can't just ignore someone if they're saying shit about me.
It's probably due to feeling helpless when I was young or whatever. Now I actually have the ability to stand up for myself, I can't control it.
The PM system here is very slow; it's far more easy to just stick on one thread and discuss it with people you get on with. Plus sometimes people you don't really know will just pop up and make you feel better, which is impossible in PMs
Oh I certainly don't want to be a moderator. I couldn't be even if I did; I have absolutely no time for that.
All I know is that I'm sticking up for the group I can empathise with, of course, and voicing my opinion that the forum guidelines need to be updated. You yourself would agree, seeing as you told me off for doing something which isn't in the guidelines but has been spoken against by mods: the guidelines need revising.
And, actually, I do practise what I preach. I respect people's opinions on the endings, yes, fine 100%. I argue with lemoncakes not about his choice of ending, but rather that he does not respect others' choices, which is rule 1.1 in the guidelines.
On the subject of me saying I know best, in this situation I haven't had one person come out and disagree with me that opinions should be respected. As a result, as far as I'm concerned, my sentiment is shared by most people here.
Maybe thats ignorant, I don't know.
I'm no saint, In the past I've said things to trolls on here that don't make me look any better than them. I'm only calling you out because of this movement, or whatever you'd call it, that you've started. The forum guidelines do need some revamping, you're right there.
Appropriate conduct/behavior isn't talking about other members behind their back, nor telling others how you want them banned.
Don't worry Belan, you're a great guy. Whenever I see one of your posts it brightens up my day because they are so thought out and never hostile to other posters, which can't be said for everyone.
...the entire movement is about revampnig the guidelines so I'm not quite sure what you're point is.
I don't see how saying I wish someone were banned is inappropriate ethically.
As for talking behind his back, yeah I'd take that back if I could. But again, you seem to tell me off for this kind of thing when lots of people do it including him. And the stuff I'm saying is less offensive than what he did.
It just feels like you're picking on me sometimes.
Ugh. Tinni is such a bully.
If you're serious: She really isn't, she's an awesome person.
If you're not: Please don't mock me, that's really not helpful.
Allow me to be the first to say that I don't think all opinions should be respected by virtue of being an opinion. I don't think that people should be forced to respect opinions that they disagree with. If I find someone's opinion morally or logically incorrect, and just all around disagree with it, then I am not going to respect it. The point of a debate/argument is not to find ways to agree with each other so no one gets their feelings hurt, it is to establish a definite proposition. I may be a minority of one, but at least you'll respect my opinion.
And I'll end this with a humorous quote from George Carlin, "I have a right to my opinion, and my opinion is that you have no right to your opinion."
Sorry, just poking a little fun.
And you said Tinni was a bully...