Did anyone suggest something that wasn't "walk through a herd"? Luke suggested laying low and trying to find a weakness to exploit, but Kenny wasn't having it, so neither was the group.
My point is that it doesn't matter what other, more sensible options are available. This season, what Kenny says, goes in one form or another. Kenny is always right and the player has no power to say otherwise. Better to accept it and just go along with whatever he says. It will be less painful that way. It doesn't really matter that the plan was modified. All they did was add one more step; cover everyone in gore.
Oh wait. No. That didn't happen. Kenny puts forth a plan, and bitches at anyone who doesn't agree with him until they accept his idea.
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Dude, seriously...I know everyone plays the game in their own way, but I'm starting to wonder if you played a version of episode 3 that wasn't available to anyone else. Saying they "went ahead with Kenny's plan" is just a teensy bit ridiculous. The cast used the BASIC OUTLINE of Kenny's strategy, yes, but they also heavily modified it so they wouldn't necessarily have to worry about...oh, I don't know, getting eaten alive by the herd of zombies right outside Carver's compound.
Kenny was decently written in season one, no more than someone like Omid or Chuck or some other minor character though. Season two, he was a cartoon character. He was like BJ Blazkowicz or the Doom guy, minus the charm.
Kenny was decently written in season one, no more than someone like Omid or Chuck or some other minor character though. Season two, he was a… more cartoon character. He was like BJ Blazkowicz or the Doom guy, minus the charm.
most nuanced characters to come out of video games.
I wonder if you sucked up to Kenny the entire season? As if I don't already know the answer.
I thought it was a waste to unnecessarily kill off Kenny in Season 1.
In Season 2, I didn't find it believable for him to come back. I th… moreink they only brought him back because Clem's supporting characters were a bit weak, and they needed a character to play the father/uncle figure role in the plot.
However, I thoroughly enjoyed the interaction between Clem and Kenny. It brought back memories of her interactions with Lee.
I think the ratings of seas 2 were down so they've added a familiar face, and i think they had to choose between lily and kenny and kenny beeing the more favorite after his sacrifice so there he was
Yess and they didn't have to add him, but familiair faces sell.
One sentence doesn't make that much of a difference , just like ep 5 were Kenny was supposed to fight Luke they chose Jane at the last moment
Yess and they didn't have to add him, but familiair faces sell.
One sentence doesn't make that much of a difference , just like ep 5 were Kenny was supposed to fight Luke they chose Jane at the last moment
I disagree with you. Kenny should stay alive. Why?
I have a thread created about Fans reactions to Kenny and write the same reasons here.
I couldn't kill Kenny, he reminds me too much of Season 1 with Lee and everyone else.
Kenny is the only one who cares about Clementine and AJ!
Kenny always tries to protect Clementine and AJ, while all other leave Clementine.
I honestly don't see Kenny getting out of this alive. He's just one of those characters who will be with you, almost to the end.
"Oh, thank god, you're okay" - Kenny
"You didn't have to take the radio. Carver wouldn't have hurt me like this" - Clementine
"'Course I had to. No telling what that asswipe would have done to you" - Kenny
I couldn't kill Kenny, he reminds me too much of Season 1 with Lee and everyone else.
Kenny is the only one who cares about Clementine and AJ!
Kenny always tries to protect Clementine and AJ, while all other leave Clementine.
I honestly don't see Kenny getting out of this alive. He's just one of those characters who will be with you, almost to the end.
Of course, Kenny was sometimes aggressive, but for good reason!:
Carlos was beaten by Carver and Carlos had to beat Sarah, because Carver wanted to. Kenny has beaten Carver, yes. That was a good thing, because Carver has damaged Kenny's Eye. I mean, Carver deserves to die.
Kenny wanted to Wellington with the whole group, but none of the group didn't want to Kenny's perspective (Clementine is determinative). And we must not forget Christa wanted to Wellington with Clementine. That is the reason why Kenny was angry and couldn't communicate so well with the group.
Kenny was the only one who could fix the car. What do Mike, Bonnie and Arvo? Try to run away with the car.
Arvo shoots Clementine. Kenny was worried about Clementine:
Kenny: Oh my God, Clem...
Kenny: What the FUCK did you do?!
Kenny: Clem!
Kenny: What did you DO?!
Kenny: Clem!
Kenny: CLEM!
I will show you how Fans react to Kenny. I've found in Youtube reactions from Fans on Kenny.
The real reason why many people shot Kenny dead is: Many people don't know what Jane was doing, after they shot Kenny. That's why many people were Kenny with their decision to shoot angry. Many players would have wished the option: [Shoot Jane]. Of course, a shoot Jane option would've been good after Kenny dies.
Here is another picture:
Wellington can only take the kids, and Kenny sacrifices himself. When you Stay with Kenny and Leave Wellington, is that the real reason, because Clementine said that we are all one family. No one will ever leave the other alone. Kenny is like a father for AJ and Clementine. Of course, Lee was like a father for Clementine. But I know that Lee would want that Clementine and Kenny should stay together.
Another one picture:
Of course, Kenny was never a bad person. If you think Kenny's a bad person, because he killed Hershel's son and Lily's father. Then you're wrong, because:
Lily's father was dying. Where would you find more medicine for his heart? Lily's father was always with his reaction to a heart attack.
Kenny is not proud that he has killed Hershel's son.
Kenny: Lee, you got a second?
Lee: Sure.
Kenny: Back on Hershel's farm...
Lee: Yeah?
Kenny: I panicked, you know. I'm not proud of it.
Lee: It happens.
Kenny: I guess, but I can't stop seeing him in my head.
Lee: Yeah, that's...rough.
Kenny: I killed that boy. We could've saved him together.
Lee: You didn't have a choice. You think you do, when you think back on it. But in a moment? When things are really out of control? You don't have any choice.
Kenny: I guess.
Lee: Try to let it go.
Kenny will remember your loyalty.
I PREFER THIS ENDING:
Stay with Kenny and Leave Wellington, because I honestly don't see Kenny getting out of this alive. He's just one of those characters who will be with you, almost to the end.
It really just feels like they sugarcoated Kenny in Season 2... if you think about it, there is literally no direct way you can disagree wit… moreh or hate Kenny, you can be pissed but they made Clementine someone who would forgive Kenny in the end no matter how bad he becomes and no matter how much you try to dislike him, the Clementine of the plot was given the option to instantly forgive Kenny.
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I disagree with you. Kenny should stay alive. Why?
I have a thread created about Fans reactions to Kenny and write… more the same reasons here.
* I couldn't kill Kenny, he reminds me too much of Season 1 with Lee and everyone else.
* Kenny is the only one who cares about Clementine and AJ!
* Kenny always tries to protect Clementine and AJ, while all other leave Clementine.
* I honestly don't see Kenny getting out of this alive. He's just one of those characters who will be with you, almost to the end.
"Oh, thank god, you're okay" - Kenny
"You didn't have to take the radio. Carver wouldn't have hurt me like this" - Clementine
"'Course I had to. No telling what that asswipe would have done to you" - Kenny
I couldn't kill Kenny, he reminds me too much of Season 1 with Lee and everyone else.
Kenny is the only one who cares about Clementine and AJ!
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Are people still going to be bitching about this by the time the first episode of season 3 is released? I'd love to see if the Kenny-haters get just as vitriolic if Telltale decides to bring Lilly back.
This is why I don't like the Wellington ending(s). It just feels a major contrivance to justify going with Kenny in the end. All we know about Wellington before the ending is it's suppose to be safe and Kenny says it's near Michigan, which is a pretty big search area. So with just that information a man, an eleven year old that was recently shot and a baby, with virtually no remaining supplies or provisions, brave the increasingly worse winter by going north several hundred miles and find this legendary place apparently just on luck in less than ten days. With the only caveat being they're full so we can have the split or stay together crap for dramatic purposes.
Really the whole last thirty minutes of No Going Back feel like just twisting things to retroactively justify Kenny's bullshit. Kenny's turning into a psycho and keeps beating Arvo just cause, but it's okay because Arvo eventually shoots Clem! Everyone else thinks driving further North in a snowstorm to find something that both, may not exist and even if it does could be hundreds of miles away, is a terrible idea. But it's okay because Mike was planning on taking the truck all of sudden! Kenny wants to murder Jane because she accidentally lost AJ while running through a snowstorm chased by zombies, but it's totes all right because for some reason Jane made some elaborate manipulative scheme while in the middle of running for her life in a snowstorm to prove something to Clem and so dedicated to proving Kenny was crazy she decided it was worth dying for instead of revealing the truth even when Kenny was inches away from sticking a knife in her!
Personally I like to think Wellington is just a giant wall, and there's nothing on the other side of it. Edith is just some crazy person manning a wall that was never finished. Those supply bags are just full of rocks and that radio doesn't work. Clementine gets on the other side of the gate and there's just a bunch of garbage arranged to resemble people that Edith introduces Clem to. Makes as much sense as the rest of the finale. =P
It really just feels like they sugarcoated Kenny in Season 2... if you think about it, there is literally no direct way you can disagree wit… moreh or hate Kenny, you can be pissed but they made Clementine someone who would forgive Kenny in the end no matter how bad he becomes and no matter how much you try to dislike him, the Clementine of the plot was given the option to instantly forgive Kenny.
I wonder if this "90 minute episodes" policy had something to do with this. I wasn't on the forums when that was supposedly announced, but was that like a company wide decision? Did someone on top make it and current projects had to adjust to fit it? Because if they had to cut things down just to keep the run time short that might help explain why most of the characters are so poorly developed. And why they kept coming back to Kenny, he had the benefit of being developed over the previous season.
That or Telltale were just huge fans of Kenny themselves and wanted to do more with him or both, clearly this "90 minute" policy kind of bit them in the ass with dumbing down alot of things that made the first season so beloved, and sometimes I wonder if The Wolf Among Us would've been better if Telltale didn't rush the story or gameplay though I think TWD S2 suffered the most in that aspect when it got to episode 3.
I wonder if this "90 minute episodes" policy had something to do with this. I wasn't on the forums when that was supposedly announced, but w… moreas that like a company wide decision? Did someone on top make it and current projects had to adjust to fit it? Because if they had to cut things down just to keep the run time short that might help explain why most of the characters are so poorly developed. And why they kept coming back to Kenny, he had the benefit of being developed over the previous season.
Well... "KENNY CONFIRMED FOR SEASON 2" was pretty bad and that went on for a good few months
EDIT: An again they could have brought Kenny back but actually have him do something different and plot worthy rather than just some hero crap and repeating the same stuff all over again , Lilly has that potential as does Arvo and Mike as someone we dont particularly like meeting up with them again and the trust issues between them, Christa being cold with Clementine due to Omid etc.
Are people still going to be bitching about this by the time the first episode of season 3 is released? I'd love to see if the Kenny-haters get just as vitriolic if Telltale decides to bring Lilly back.
Well, to be honest, the majority of your claims are inaccurate as well. I'm not going to go through the whole diologue option situation btw - as that would take a heck of a long time - and that discussion would mostly consist of opinions and bullshit, to be frank.
So because you don´t like a character you think it could be better to ignore everything that suggested Wellington was real and make it nothing but a rumur, or to see Wellington destroyed? Okay.
First of all, there should have been no Washington due to the fact that - this is the zombie apocalypse - there's a VERY slim chance a stable community would arise, as the fighting for food and what not would tear it down. I would expect a small community - such as Carvers, but not a group where they actually hand of gift baskets to random people who arrive. The existence of this community makes The Walking Dead Game a little less surreal.
Okay, you got me there, but is sunny in all the endings, not just in Kenny´s endings.
It is sunny in other endings due to the fact that they are NOT within the cold depths of winter - in Jane and Clem ending's - they leave this area, and I believe this holds true to the Clementine being Alone ending as well - as there are absolutely no snow in sight.
Also - in somewhat of a random addition - I believe it would be pretty redundant to establish a base up where Kenny and Clementine's ending had happen - as even they can run and laugh and play and do a whole load of stuff there, without getting affected by the cold. If they could do it, why can't zombies? Also, in Carver's base - there were a multitude of zombies at the outer edge of the base, the people in Washington are literally the only food source fit for a king. I would expect a few zombies here and there at least.
Is not that Kenny is fine with it, but that he wants the kids to stay. Wellington can make everything he wanted for Clem and Aj-safety-come true. It was not a matter how him trusting the people at Wellington or anything like that, just it was Clem and AJ´s best chance.
And once again - Kenny is absolutely fine with Clementine leaving if you cannot forgive him for the fact that he killed Jane, once you find the baby - you can decided whether or not to stay with Kenny - if not, Kenny won't really plead for forgiveness and what not - this contradicts with you saying - as Kenny is letting Clementine go with a baby to the middle of nowhere, which would surely cause death. Heck, even Jane acted considered and started to get upset.
Even Clem is agaist him, and Kenny fells wortless and that she be better withouth him. Propably, in that ending, as soon as Clem is out there he will kill himself.
Well - we never saw Kenny kill himself - and why in the heck would he kill himself for some random girl and a random baby? He didn't even kill himself for his son or wife. He even said what Katjaa (his first wife who killed herself,) did was wrong. I highly doubt a man who hates suicide, and didn't kill himself because of his son and wife - would kill himself because Clementine and AJ left.
And that is all folks - sorry if some of my arguments come off as one sided, but I tried to be as unbiased as possible. (≧◡≦)/
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Now, seriously, I will … moreadress the points about the endings. Maybe I will edit this post to cover everything else-maybe-but I just don´t have the time rigth now.
After the fight the bias becomes unreal, Clem gets pissed of at Jane for hiding the baby but not at Kenny for murdering someone for next to no reason. We have a clear choice to leave jane but not to leave Kenny.
She can get pissed. There a lot of dialogue options where Clem can express anger at Kenny for killing Jane. And you can leave Kenny.
If you choose to leave Kenny through dialogue he just lets you go... seriously he lets the only two people he cares about wander into a snowstorm alone and hes happy about it thats just completley out of charcacter
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To try and make us feel like he has lost something - and is a victim of the apocalyspe - Telltale wanted him to become a surviver, and to be honest, he's loses were so dramatic in comparison to others. Lee wasn't as upset when he lost his brother, Bonnie wasn't as upset when she "lost" Luke, Rebecca wasn't as upset when she lost Alvin, Luke wasn't even SLIGHTLY upset when he lost Nick, Nick wasn't as upset when he lost Pete. The majority of Kenny's losses were simply there to make us feel sorry for him. I'm almost certain that - if Kenny didn't lose his family and what not - that he would not have gained this much popularity.
Kenny is a fan-favorite and a writer's pet.
Telltale slaughtered Kenny's wife, child, AND his Indian girlfriend. How does this qualify the character as a "writer's pet?"
Your kind of missing the point, sure you like Kenny but bringing him back impacted the rest of the character poorly.
This isnt about liki… moreng the character its about liking how they were implicated or used in the story, Kenny overshadowed the rest of the cast
See I don't get that vibe, least not in the first couple of episodes. It really felt like there were plans for the cabin group that got dropped because of restraints. Maybe from Episode three onward when they switched up writers, but not initially. There was so much they set-up in those first two episodes that has no payoff at all.
Sarah learning to use a Gun (or not)
Luke's foreshadowing of Carlos being dangerous
Nick's depression and the possibility you promised Pete to look after him.
Rebecca's baby daddy drama. (Technically that's resolved in that Carver dies and it wasn't his. But nothing ever comes from it. Alvin never even knows it may not have been his child.)
Alvin killing George. He seems like the least likely to kill after Sarah and yet the how and why is never touched on.
Carter's warning to Clem that she doesn't know the cabin people. They really don't do anything unexpected. They don't do shit most of the time actually.
*"...It had some awesome Alvin lines where he was complaining about holding fish, and some pretty funny Clementine animations where she was trying to grab onto fish and put them in a cooler."
Apparently they got as far as animating part of it before it was axed, so I really think this policy change, or just budget and time restraints, forced them to lose a lot of important character buildings elements and going forward they clung to Kenny because he had the benefit of being well developed in the previous season.
That or Telltale were just huge fans of Kenny themselves and wanted to do more with him or both, clearly this "90 minute" policy kind of bit… more them in the ass with dumbing down alot of things that made the first season so beloved, and sometimes I wonder if The Wolf Among Us would've been better if Telltale didn't rush the story or gameplay though I think TWD S2 suffered the most in that aspect when it got to episode 3.
And again your missing the point, this isnt about Kenny as a person in the game, I didnt like him in season 1 but felt his character was well done; I even said it was how the writers implemented Kenny this season and how it negative impacted a lot of things
The reason clementine cried at the end was because she didn't want to have Kenny leave. Proving that she actually liked Kenny and didn't want to have him go.
I didn't miss the point, you just said what I said, that it was the problem of the writers' implementation of Kenny. Kenny was a great character in Season 1 and he could have returned in Season 2 with a great impact. It's not a matter of should Kenny have returned (I think he should have), it is a matter of how well he was integrated into the plot.
And again your missing the point, this isnt about Kenny as a person in the game, I didnt like him in season 1 but felt his character was wel… morel done; I even said it was how the writers implemented Kenny this season and how it negative impacted a lot of things
Nick Breckon seemed like he was going somewhere with the characters and story when it came to his writing despite a few inconsistent hiccups with characters like Rebecca and Carlos. Pierre's writing in In Harm's Way just seemed like " I'm not interested in this, so I'm just going through the motions and just throw in some things here or there, because these notes tell me to." (God, I hate In Harm's Way) JT Petty seemed like he had a vision for episode 4, but it kind of ended up being messy and at times downright terrible, but at least there seemed to be some effort, this "90 minute" policy needs to kind of go, because it's really just not working for me and for alot of fans.
See I don't get that vibe, least not in the first couple of episodes. It really felt like there were plans for the cabin group that got drop… moreped because of restraints. Maybe from Episode three onward when they switched up writers, but not initially. There was so much they set-up in those first two episodes that has no payoff at all.
* Sarah learning to use a Gun (or not)
* Luke's foreshadowing of Carlos being dangerous
* Nick's depression and the possibility you promised Pete to look after him.
* Rebecca's baby daddy drama. (Technically that's resolved in that Carver dies and it wasn't his. But nothing ever comes from it. Alvin never even knows it may not have been his child.)
* Alvin killing George. He seems like the least likely to kill after Sarah and yet the how and why is never touched on.
* Carter's warning to Clem that she doesn't know the cabin people. They really don't do anything unexpected. They don't do shit most of the t… [view original content]
Are people still going to be bitching about this by the time the first episode of season 3 is released? I'd love to see if the Kenny-haters get just as vitriolic if Telltale decides to bring Lilly back.
To be fair, yes at exactly the same point it would have wrecked the cabin groups development however with Lilly Clementine would have a real dilemma, for most people they would be on a scale of distrustful to aggressive with Lilly however you do know her from before, unlike with Kenny who honestly why wouldnt you just want to ditch the cabin group at that point, you barely know them besides that a psycho is after them. Also Lilly having a redemption arc would be new development for the character. And no before people say it I'm not a lilly fanboy or anything.
I agree Kenny should've taken a backseat to season 2. He took up way too much screen time. I also think it would've been interesting to see Carlos beat Carver to death. Especially given Luke's previous lines to Sarah about how he wouldn't do anything "not nice". Kenny took up way too much screen time which resulted in most of the cabin members being underdeveloped apart from Luke and Rebecca. Alvin was extremely underdeveloped I mean I saved his life in my playthough and I thought his second death was very brave and noble however I wasn't really attached to him. Maybe if we got some brief lines about how even though he's apprehensive about a baby being born in a zombie world he's still excited about it. Also this is pretty unrelated but the whole Carver/Rebecca thing sort of confused me. It's heavily implied that Carver raped or sexually assaulted Rebecca so why is she so scared that the baby might not have been Alvin's? Wouldn't he be understanding especially seeing how Carver is.
Remember when the evil Jane was saving Clementine from freezing to death (which I hear is a particularly horrible way to die) while the great Kenny is occupied with beating up a guy for completely selfish reasons?
Yeah and thats why she took the knife in her chest in my game... and peace was restored, no more leave that one behind and this one. Persona… morelly i think Jane will kill the ginger man in her ending because of issues in her past she eventuallu wants to kill every man if she gets the chance
Probably another case of set-ups that the writers of episodes 3 & 4 either discarded or simply weren't clued in on. I think Carver was originally suppose to less of a villain and the cabin crew were suppose to be more morally questionable. Rebecca's a straight up asshole in episode one, Luke foreshadows Carlos being dangerous in EP2, Alvin supposedly killed someone George and Carver warns Clem that she doesn't actually know the people she's staying with.
If the original plan was the cabin crew weren't very good people themselves (which might explain why they stick an eleven year girl in a shed to bleed to death) than it's possible Rebecca was actually having an affair with Carver, or vice versa. Maybe she was suppose to have been Carver's wife and she fell in love with Alvin and ran off or something. Who knows. Whatever the original plan was is all up in the air now.
I agree Kenny should've taken a backseat to season 2. He took up way too much screen time. I also think it would've been interesting to see … moreCarlos beat Carver to death. Especially given Luke's previous lines to Sarah about how he wouldn't do anything "not nice". Kenny took up way too much screen time which resulted in most of the cabin members being underdeveloped apart from Luke and Rebecca. Alvin was extremely underdeveloped I mean I saved his life in my playthough and I thought his second death was very brave and noble however I wasn't really attached to him. Maybe if we got some brief lines about how even though he's apprehensive about a baby being born in a zombie world he's still excited about it. Also this is pretty unrelated but the whole Carver/Rebecca thing sort of confused me. It's heavily implied that Carver raped or sexually assaulted Rebecca so why is she so scared that the baby might not have been Alvin's? Wouldn't he be understanding especially seeing how Carver is.
Yes she is....
ohhh and you forgot that she wanted to leave sarah/rebecca/aj behind ?
Selfish reasons? He ran away and tried to rob the group before that what could have been the last straw for rebecca who died and luke got shot in the attempted robbery and drowned(is it weird that walkers freeze in a blizzard but were fighting bonnie luke under the ice?)
Jane is so evil, isn't she?
Remember when the evil Jane was saving Clementine from freezing to death (which I hear is a particularly horrible way to die) while the great Kenny is occupied with beating up a guy for completely selfish reasons?
First of all, there should have been no Washington due to the fact that - this is the zombie apocalypse - there's a VERY slim chance a stable community would arise, as the fighting for food and what not would tear it down. I would expect a small community - such as Carvers, but not a group where they actually hand of gift baskets to random people who arrive. The existence of this community makes The Walking Dead Game a little less surreal.
If Woodbury can exist, why not Wellington?
It is sunny in other endings due to the fact that they are NOT within the cold depths of winter - in Jane and Clem ending's - they leave this area, and I believe this holds true to the Clementine being Alone ending as well - as there are absolutely no snow in sight.
Yes.
Also - in somewhat of a random addition - I believe it would be pretty redundant to establish a base up where Kenny and Clementine's ending had happen - as even they can run and laugh and play and do a whole load of stuff there, without getting affected by the cold. If they could do it, why can't zombies?
Because it was sunny, not cold.
Also, in Carver's base - there were a multitude of zombies at the outer edge of the base, the people in Washington are literally the only food source fit for a king. I would expect a few zombies here and there at least.
And? That were not show zombies in Wellington doesn´t mean they don´t go there.
And once again - Kenny is absolutely fine with Clementine leaving if you cannot forgive him for the fact that he killed Jane, once you find the baby - you can decided whether or not to stay with Kenny - if not, Kenny won't really plead for forgiveness and what not -** this contradicts with you saying** -
How does it contradict what I am saying, exactly? Kenny had literally lost everything twice, and now even Clementine is afraid of him. She won´t love him anymore. Why should he not despair? Why should he not think that it was better for Clem to be without him? Hell, why should he not think that I could be better if he was dead?
as Kenny is letting Clementine go with a baby to the middle of nowhere, which would surely cause death.
How so?
In the Alone Ending, Clementine and the baby seem to be just fine.
Heck, even Jane acted considered and started to get upset.
What are you babbling about?
She only cared about herself, in the end.
Jane: I can´t do this without you! Is that what you want to hear?!
Well - we never saw Kenny kill himself - and why in the heck would he kill himself for some random girl and a random baby?
Because is not a random girl and a random baby?
Just a thought.
He didn't even kill himself for his son or wife. He even said what Katjaa (his first wife who killed herself,) did was wrong. I highly doubt a man who hates suicide, and didn't kill himself because of his son and wife - would kill himself because Clementine and AJ left.
Not because Clem and AJ had left, but because:
-He had gotten back a normal life.
-He had a girlfriend
-Matthew died.
-Walter died.
-Sarita dies.
-If you cut off her arm, Clem basically killed Sarita.
-Everybody talks being is bad.
-Clem is shot.
-AJ is dead.
-He had just killed Jane.
Everybody has a breaking point, and I think that if you leave Kenny behind at the Rest Stop he reaches his breaking point.
Well, to be honest, the majority of your claims are inaccurate as well. I'm not going to go through the whole diologue option situation btw … more- as that would take a heck of a long time - and that discussion would mostly consist of opinions and bullshit, to be frank.
So because you don´t like a character you think it could be better to ignore everything that suggested Wellington was real and make it nothing but a rumur, or to see Wellington destroyed? Okay.
First of all, there should have been no Washington due to the fact that - this is the zombie apocalypse - there's a VERY slim chance a stable community would arise, as the fighting for food and what not would tear it down. I would expect a small community - such as Carvers, but not a group where they actually hand of gift baskets to random people who arrive. The existence of this community makes The Walking Dead Game a little less surreal.
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First of all, Jane had her reasons to why she wanted to not get attached to people. It almost broke her before, she was scared. But she obviously cared very much for Clem's wellbeing. And she didn't leave AJ behind, she carried him and then found a spot where the baby would be safe... at least for the time being. Now, it's not a good thing. But, I'll tell you right now, she could've done FAR worse than that.
Now, what you've stated about Kenny is kind of silly. Sure, I hate Arvo as much as Kenny. But the priority at that moment was Clementine's (and determinately Bonnie's) safety, meaning getting them warmed up and not just violently beating someone else because he pissed you off.
Yes she is....
ohhh and you forgot that she wanted to leave sarah/rebecca/aj behind ?
Selfish reasons? He ran away and tried to rob the g… moreroup before that what could have been the last straw for rebecca who died and luke got shot in the attempted robbery and drowned(is it weird that walkers freeze in a blizzard but were fighting bonnie luke under the ice?)
Yeah, everybody has their reasons for doing what they do.
And Kenny wanted to teach him a lesson so that he would never do that again and in that Z-A world losing someone of your group weakens the group so i understand why he did it even though it was harsh of him doing so
First of all, Jane had her reasons to why she wanted to not get attached to people. It almost broke her before, she was scared. But she obvi… moreously cared very much for Clem's wellbeing. And she didn't leave AJ behind, she carried him and then found a spot where the baby would be safe... at least for the time being. Now, it's not a good thing. But, I'll tell you right now, she could've done FAR worse than that.
Now, what you've stated about Kenny is kind of silly. Sure, I hate Arvo as much as Kenny. But the priority at that moment was Clementine's (and determinately Bonnie's) safety, meaning getting them warmed up and not just violently beating someone else because he pissed you off.
Lee did not know is brother was going to die for hours, he did not watch his brother get worse and worse, he did not desperately think that it could be different, that it could not happen to him too. But Kenny knew that Duck was going to die, he had to watch Duck get worse and worse, desperately thinking that it could not happen to him too and, most of all, Katjaa killed herself right in front of him and Duck. Kenny can even be forced to shoot Duck himself.
And that´s only in season 1.
Bonnie wasn't as upset when she "lost" Luke,
She does a complete personality turn and/or leaves a child for death.
Rebecca wasn't as upset when she lost Alvin,
Rebecca: Kill him!
And she stayed to watch Kenny kill Carver, regardless of what you do, without even flinching.
Luke wasn't even SLIGHTLY upset when he lost Nick,
Luke: How did we get here? Sittin' in the snow... leaned up against a tree... bullet in my leg... but alive. When so many of my friends are dead... for no good reason... and I couldn't do anything to stop it. Everyone we set out with, just... gone... Nick, Pete... Alvin and Becca... Carlos... Sarah... I could have done more. And that ain't up for debate. I know it in my bones... and I've gotta live with it.
Nick wasn't as upset when he lost Pete.
dafuq? Nick loss the will to live after Pete died, and kills Matthew for no good reason.
The majority of Kenny's losses were simply there to make us feel sorry for him. I'm almost certain that - if Kenny didn't lose his family and what not - that he would not have gained this much popularity.
To try and make us feel like he has lost something - and is a victim of the apocalyspe - Telltale wanted him to become a surviver, and to be… more honest, he's loses were so dramatic in comparison to others. Lee wasn't as upset when he lost his brother, Bonnie wasn't as upset when she "lost" Luke, Rebecca wasn't as upset when she lost Alvin, Luke wasn't even SLIGHTLY upset when he lost Nick, Nick wasn't as upset when he lost Pete. The majority of Kenny's losses were simply there to make us feel sorry for him. I'm almost certain that - if Kenny didn't lose his family and what not - that he would not have gained this much popularity.
Nick: Nick was a good man. He had once protected Clementine. I think, he would be a good protector for Clementine, but not for long. Clementine had to bring back Nick, because Nick was drunk. I wish he hadn't died. Nick was better than Luke.
Uncle Pete: Uncle Pete was a good uncle. Maybe he would have opportunities for Clementine and AJ, but unfortunately he died early.
Luke: Luke would never stand close to Clementine, because Luke has no idea how to protect a child. In addition, Luke chose Jane. Luke fell in love with Jane.
Jane: Jane and her sneaky way. You can't trust her. She left the group and came back. Jane would run away again and let Clementine alone with AJ. Especially AJ. Jane has left alone in the car AJ. What if AJ would die from the cold or a walker would find AJ in the car and bite. And Jane says nothing what happened to the baby. Jane's fault that Kenny is going to death. I hate Jane.
Rebecca and Alvin: Rebecca and Alvin didn't look like a survivor. They had a hard enough that Carver pursues.
Carlos and Sarah: Carlos and Sarah have been hard enough. Carlos had keep an eye on Sarah, because Sarah was afraid and didn't look like a surviving without their father.
Mike, Bonnie and Arvo: Mike, Bonnie and Arvo left Clementine. They left Clementine with a huge large wound. What would have happened if Clementine was dead? Thank God that Kenny was worried about Clementine.
Do you see? No one cares about Clementine and AJ.
Kenny is the only one that he cares about Clementine and AJ.
Your kind of missing the point, sure you like Kenny but bringing him back impacted the rest of the character poorly.
This isnt about liki… moreng the character its about liking how they were implicated or used in the story, Kenny overshadowed the rest of the cast
No matter what you say, it was bad that instead of trying to get Clementine (and possibly Bonnie) warm, he thought the better plan was to beat on Arvo (which again, I don't mind if the scenario were different).
The priority at that point should've been helping the eleven year old girl from freezing to death.
Yeah, everybody has their reasons for doing what they do.
And Kenny wanted to teach him a lesson so that he would never do that again and… more in that Z-A world losing someone of your group weakens the group so i understand why he did it even though it was harsh of him doing so
Woodbury also causes us to lose immerse within the comic books or the TV series, but much less so than Wellington - as Woodbury were literally a community built up by the remains of infrastructure and whatnot unlike Wellington, where they built community made up of iron crates and seemingly impenetrable walls.
Also, I never wanted the existence of Woodbury either.
Yes.
Yes. To this.
Because it was sunny, not cold.
So are you saying that the sun would not make it cold? Because when the scene with Jane and Kenny fought began, it wasn't at night - it was sunny, and it certainly was cold.
Also there's a whole load of other permanent factors that would support my case such as the altitude and the latitude of Wellington, but we have no idea why they are in a geographical sense - so really, I have no idea why it's not cold near Wellington. It could be a number of reasons. I do not know.
And? That were not show zombies in Wellington doesn´t mean they don´t go there.
But there were none at the time, and I'm suppose to take that as a big fat coincidence?
How does it contradict what I am saying, exactly? Kenny had literally lost everything twice, and now even Clementine is afraid of him. She won´t love him anymore. Why should he not despair? Why should he not think that it was better for Clem to be without him? Hell, why should he not think that I could be better if he was dead?
I never said he should not despair, that is the whole point. He didn't say "Clementine, you would be better off without me.." which, if he wanted Clem be better off without him, he would have done or "Clementine, come with meee.." when you accept his apology, which, if he wanted Clem be better off without him, he would have done. In both those scenarios, Kenny has no opinion, he just goes along with Clementine's choices. You may say..
"But he is not selfish! He lets Clementine pick what she wants!"
But - there is a clear difference between selfishness and caring. I could say to my 11-Year-Old daughter "You're not allowed to leave this house and not come back!" Is that selfish? That's caring for someone. It contradicts with your statement because you have said that Kenny wanted Clementine and AJ to have the best chance - with the Wellington situation anyway. If Kenny wanted Clementine and AJ to have the best chance - than why didn't he care whether or not Clementine and the baby stay with him or not? Did he not care back then - did he think Clementine leaving and Clementine staying with him would have the same chance - Was he awe struck with amazement that he killed Jane? Kenny certainly didn't care back then.
How so? In the Alone Ending, Clementine and the baby seem to be just fine.
Really? There's a zombie horde in front of Clementine, and she's holding a baby that could become a siren in about 1 second.
What are you babbling about? She only cared about herself, in the end.
Jane: I can´t do this without you! Is that what you want to hear?!
OK, I'll give you that. But she still had an opinion on something, she still cared for someone.
Because is not a random girl and a random baby? Just a thought.
But he barely had a relationship with her! I mean my god, he started acting like he was his father at Episode 3. They barely talked in Season 1 (unless they had a secret meeting or something.) Suddenly, Kenny acts as if they were best buds. When they had little to no interaction with each in Season 1, it was all Lee and Kenny.
Also, a little side note, remember Episode 2's teaser? Seems as if Kenny was going to act stern with her if she didn't try to find him in Episode 2, wonder why that went.
Not because Clem and AJ had left, but because:
-He had gotten back a normal life.
-He had a girlfriend
-Matthew died.
-Walter died.
-Sarita dies.
-If you cut off her arm, Clem basically killed Sarita.
-Everybody talks being is bad.
-Clem is shot.
-AJ is dead.
-He had just killed Jane.
Everybody has a breaking point, and I think that if you leave Kenny behind at the Rest Stop he reaches his breaking point.
"You don’t just give up. You stick it out and help the folks you care about." I think Kenny believes suicide is not an option, only death by the hands of another. I personally think that Kenny may go an turn on his Savannah state - and become a mindless drone like Sarita said. He lost all of his friends and family in Savannah, and he lost all his friends and family in Wellington - and lost an eye too.
Practically the same scenario, right?
Once again - my options may appear a little biased, but I tried to be unbiased. So yeah. Also, I know this is going to start turning into a flame war, so to end this.. I'll just agree with what you said - so we can stop this. Ok? Or no?
First of all, there should have been no Washington due to the fact that - this is the zombie apocalypse - there's a VERY slim chance a stabl… moree community would arise, as the fighting for food and what not would tear it down. I would expect a small community - such as Carvers, but not a group where they actually hand of gift baskets to random people who arrive. The existence of this community makes The Walking Dead Game a little less surreal.
If Woodbury can exist, why not Wellington?
It is sunny in other endings due to the fact that they are NOT within the cold depths of winter - in Jane and Clem ending's - they leave this area, and I believe this holds true to the Clementine being Alone ending as well - as there are absolutely no snow in sight.
Yes.
Also - in somewhat of a random addition - I believe it would be pretty redundant to establish a base up where Kenny and Clementine's ending had happen - as even they can… [view original content]
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Did anyone suggest something that wasn't "walk through a herd"? Luke suggested laying low and trying to find a weakness to exploit, but Kenny wasn't having it, so neither was the group.
My point is that it doesn't matter what other, more sensible options are available. This season, what Kenny says, goes in one form or another. Kenny is always right and the player has no power to say otherwise. Better to accept it and just go along with whatever he says. It will be less painful that way. It doesn't really matter that the plan was modified. All they did was add one more step; cover everyone in gore.
Pretty much. I loved that Latin man. His voice sang to me in my dreams.
Why couldnt they keep Pete around to play father/uncle figure? I liked him a lot more.
This seems odd as he was clearly added in before episode 1 was even out with the I thought you were dead thing
I thought Pete was more than a bit of a jerk, myself, in the short screentime that he had. As Clem, I asked him to stop picking on Nick so much.
Yess and they didn't have to add him, but familiair faces sell.
One sentence doesn't make that much of a difference , just like ep 5 were Kenny was supposed to fight Luke they chose Jane at the last moment
I dont agree with the Luke thing, just because everyone assumed it was gonna be Kenny or Luke....
There was a discussion that it was supposed to be Luke vs Kenny but that it was changed at the last moment.
Don't know if it was true though
False, Gavin Hammon, the voice actor for Kenny, confirmed that Luke's death was in early versions of the episode 5 script.
Hello Firewallcano
I disagree with you. Kenny should stay alive. Why?
I have a thread created about Fans reactions to Kenny and write the same reasons here.
I couldn't kill Kenny, he reminds me too much of Season 1 with Lee and everyone else.
Kenny is the only one who cares about Clementine and AJ!
Kenny always tries to protect Clementine and AJ, while all other leave Clementine.
I honestly don't see Kenny getting out of this alive. He's just one of those characters who will be with you, almost to the end.
"Oh, thank god, you're okay" - Kenny
"You didn't have to take the radio. Carver wouldn't have hurt me like this" - Clementine
"'Course I had to. No telling what that asswipe would have done to you" - Kenny
I couldn't kill Kenny, he reminds me too much of Season 1 with Lee and everyone else.
Kenny is the only one who cares about Clementine and AJ!
Kenny always tries to protect Clementine and AJ, while all other leave Clementine.
I honestly don't see Kenny getting out of this alive. He's just one of those characters who will be with you, almost to the end.
Of course, Kenny was sometimes aggressive, but for good reason!:
Carlos was beaten by Carver and Carlos had to beat Sarah, because Carver wanted to. Kenny has beaten Carver, yes. That was a good thing, because Carver has damaged Kenny's Eye. I mean, Carver deserves to die.
Kenny wanted to Wellington with the whole group, but none of the group didn't want to Kenny's perspective (Clementine is determinative). And we must not forget Christa wanted to Wellington with Clementine. That is the reason why Kenny was angry and couldn't communicate so well with the group.
Kenny was the only one who could fix the car. What do Mike, Bonnie and Arvo? Try to run away with the car.
Arvo shoots Clementine. Kenny was worried about Clementine:
Kenny: Oh my God, Clem...
Kenny: What the FUCK did you do?!
Kenny: Clem!
Kenny: What did you DO?!
Kenny: Clem!
Kenny: CLEM!
I will show you how Fans react to Kenny. I've found in Youtube reactions from Fans on Kenny.
I hope you enjoy this videos:
Fans React To Kenny's Return:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpb3lFQVVok
Another one to - Fans React To Kenny's Return:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZjelZrWUoU
Fans React to Carver Beats Kenny:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlsxRa-yKfA
Fans React to Kenny Death scene:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHnJmS3J9iY
The Fact is:
The real reason why many people shot Kenny dead is: Many people don't know what Jane was doing, after they shot Kenny. That's why many people were Kenny with their decision to shoot angry. Many players would have wished the option: [Shoot Jane]. Of course, a shoot Jane option would've been good after Kenny dies.
Another one picture:
Kenny: Lee, you got a second?
Lee: Sure.
Kenny: Back on Hershel's farm...
Lee: Yeah?
Kenny: I panicked, you know. I'm not proud of it.
Lee: It happens.
Kenny: I guess, but I can't stop seeing him in my head.
Lee: Yeah, that's...rough.
Kenny: I killed that boy. We could've saved him together.
Lee: You didn't have a choice. You think you do, when you think back on it. But in a moment? When things are really out of control? You don't have any choice.
Kenny: I guess.
Lee: Try to let it go.
Kenny will remember your loyalty.
I PREFER THIS ENDING:
Stay with Kenny and Leave Wellington, because I honestly don't see Kenny getting out of this alive. He's just one of those characters who will be with you, almost to the end.
Forever Lee, Clementine and Kenny.
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Your kind of missing the point, sure you like Kenny but bringing him back impacted the rest of the character poorly.
This isnt about liking the character its about liking how they were implicated or used in the story, Kenny overshadowed the rest of the cast
Are people still going to be bitching about this by the time the first episode of season 3 is released? I'd love to see if the Kenny-haters get just as vitriolic if Telltale decides to bring Lilly back.
This is why I don't like the Wellington ending(s). It just feels a major contrivance to justify going with Kenny in the end. All we know about Wellington before the ending is it's suppose to be safe and Kenny says it's near Michigan, which is a pretty big search area. So with just that information a man, an eleven year old that was recently shot and a baby, with virtually no remaining supplies or provisions, brave the increasingly worse winter by going north several hundred miles and find this legendary place apparently just on luck in less than ten days. With the only caveat being they're full so we can have the split or stay together crap for dramatic purposes.
Really the whole last thirty minutes of No Going Back feel like just twisting things to retroactively justify Kenny's bullshit. Kenny's turning into a psycho and keeps beating Arvo just cause, but it's okay because Arvo eventually shoots Clem! Everyone else thinks driving further North in a snowstorm to find something that both, may not exist and even if it does could be hundreds of miles away, is a terrible idea. But it's okay because Mike was planning on taking the truck all of sudden! Kenny wants to murder Jane because she accidentally lost AJ while running through a snowstorm chased by zombies, but it's totes all right because for some reason Jane made some elaborate manipulative scheme while in the middle of running for her life in a snowstorm to prove something to Clem and so dedicated to proving Kenny was crazy she decided it was worth dying for instead of revealing the truth even when Kenny was inches away from sticking a knife in her!
Personally I like to think Wellington is just a giant wall, and there's nothing on the other side of it. Edith is just some crazy person manning a wall that was never finished. Those supply bags are just full of rocks and that radio doesn't work. Clementine gets on the other side of the gate and there's just a bunch of garbage arranged to resemble people that Edith introduces Clem to. Makes as much sense as the rest of the finale. =P
I wonder if this "90 minute episodes" policy had something to do with this. I wasn't on the forums when that was supposedly announced, but was that like a company wide decision? Did someone on top make it and current projects had to adjust to fit it? Because if they had to cut things down just to keep the run time short that might help explain why most of the characters are so poorly developed. And why they kept coming back to Kenny, he had the benefit of being developed over the previous season.
That or Telltale were just huge fans of Kenny themselves and wanted to do more with him or both, clearly this "90 minute" policy kind of bit them in the ass with dumbing down alot of things that made the first season so beloved, and sometimes I wonder if The Wolf Among Us would've been better if Telltale didn't rush the story or gameplay though I think TWD S2 suffered the most in that aspect when it got to episode 3.
Well... "KENNY CONFIRMED FOR SEASON 2" was pretty bad and that went on for a good few months
EDIT: An again they could have brought Kenny back but actually have him do something different and plot worthy rather than just some hero crap and repeating the same stuff all over again , Lilly has that potential as does Arvo and Mike as someone we dont particularly like meeting up with them again and the trust issues between them, Christa being cold with Clementine due to Omid etc.
Well, to be honest, the majority of your claims are inaccurate as well. I'm not going to go through the whole diologue option situation btw - as that would take a heck of a long time - and that discussion would mostly consist of opinions and bullshit, to be frank.
First of all, there should have been no Washington due to the fact that - this is the zombie apocalypse - there's a VERY slim chance a stable community would arise, as the fighting for food and what not would tear it down. I would expect a small community - such as Carvers, but not a group where they actually hand of gift baskets to random people who arrive. The existence of this community makes The Walking Dead Game a little less surreal.
It is sunny in other endings due to the fact that they are NOT within the cold depths of winter - in Jane and Clem ending's - they leave this area, and I believe this holds true to the Clementine being Alone ending as well - as there are absolutely no snow in sight.
Also - in somewhat of a random addition - I believe it would be pretty redundant to establish a base up where Kenny and Clementine's ending had happen - as even they can run and laugh and play and do a whole load of stuff there, without getting affected by the cold. If they could do it, why can't zombies? Also, in Carver's base - there were a multitude of zombies at the outer edge of the base, the people in Washington are literally the only food source fit for a king. I would expect a few zombies here and there at least.
And once again - Kenny is absolutely fine with Clementine leaving if you cannot forgive him for the fact that he killed Jane, once you find the baby - you can decided whether or not to stay with Kenny - if not, Kenny won't really plead for forgiveness and what not - this contradicts with you saying - as Kenny is letting Clementine go with a baby to the middle of nowhere, which would surely cause death. Heck, even Jane acted considered and started to get upset.
Well - we never saw Kenny kill himself - and why in the heck would he kill himself for some random girl and a random baby? He didn't even kill himself for his son or wife. He even said what Katjaa (his first wife who killed herself,) did was wrong. I highly doubt a man who hates suicide, and didn't kill himself because of his son and wife - would kill himself because Clementine and AJ left.
And that is all folks - sorry if some of my arguments come off as one sided, but I tried to be as unbiased as possible. (≧◡≦)/
To try and make us feel like he has lost something - and is a victim of the apocalyspe - Telltale wanted him to become a surviver, and to be honest, he's loses were so dramatic in comparison to others. Lee wasn't as upset when he lost his brother, Bonnie wasn't as upset when she "lost" Luke, Rebecca wasn't as upset when she lost Alvin, Luke wasn't even SLIGHTLY upset when he lost Nick, Nick wasn't as upset when he lost Pete. The majority of Kenny's losses were simply there to make us feel sorry for him. I'm almost certain that - if Kenny didn't lose his family and what not - that he would not have gained this much popularity.
That's not really Kenny's fault though is it? Telltale could have introduced Kenny into this season but still expand the other supporting characters.
See I don't get that vibe, least not in the first couple of episodes. It really felt like there were plans for the cabin group that got dropped because of restraints. Maybe from Episode three onward when they switched up writers, but not initially. There was so much they set-up in those first two episodes that has no payoff at all.
Just poking around I found out they apparently cut a whole scene with Clem and Alvin fishing in episode one.
*"...It had some awesome Alvin lines where he was complaining about holding fish, and some pretty funny Clementine animations where she was trying to grab onto fish and put them in a cooler."
Apparently they got as far as animating part of it before it was axed, so I really think this policy change, or just budget and time restraints, forced them to lose a lot of important character buildings elements and going forward they clung to Kenny because he had the benefit of being well developed in the previous season.
And again your missing the point, this isnt about Kenny as a person in the game, I didnt like him in season 1 but felt his character was well done; I even said it was how the writers implemented Kenny this season and how it negative impacted a lot of things
The reason clementine cried at the end was because she didn't want to have Kenny leave. Proving that she actually liked Kenny and didn't want to have him go.
I didn't miss the point, you just said what I said, that it was the problem of the writers' implementation of Kenny. Kenny was a great character in Season 1 and he could have returned in Season 2 with a great impact. It's not a matter of should Kenny have returned (I think he should have), it is a matter of how well he was integrated into the plot.
Nick Breckon seemed like he was going somewhere with the characters and story when it came to his writing despite a few inconsistent hiccups with characters like Rebecca and Carlos. Pierre's writing in In Harm's Way just seemed like " I'm not interested in this, so I'm just going through the motions and just throw in some things here or there, because these notes tell me to." (God, I hate In Harm's Way) JT Petty seemed like he had a vision for episode 4, but it kind of ended up being messy and at times downright terrible, but at least there seemed to be some effort, this "90 minute" policy needs to kind of go, because it's really just not working for me and for alot of fans.
I wish Lilly came back instead.
Why would we?
To be fair, yes at exactly the same point it would have wrecked the cabin groups development however with Lilly Clementine would have a real dilemma, for most people they would be on a scale of distrustful to aggressive with Lilly however you do know her from before, unlike with Kenny who honestly why wouldnt you just want to ditch the cabin group at that point, you barely know them besides that a psycho is after them. Also Lilly having a redemption arc would be new development for the character. And no before people say it I'm not a lilly fanboy or anything.
I agree Kenny should've taken a backseat to season 2. He took up way too much screen time. I also think it would've been interesting to see Carlos beat Carver to death. Especially given Luke's previous lines to Sarah about how he wouldn't do anything "not nice". Kenny took up way too much screen time which resulted in most of the cabin members being underdeveloped apart from Luke and Rebecca. Alvin was extremely underdeveloped I mean I saved his life in my playthough and I thought his second death was very brave and noble however I wasn't really attached to him. Maybe if we got some brief lines about how even though he's apprehensive about a baby being born in a zombie world he's still excited about it. Also this is pretty unrelated but the whole Carver/Rebecca thing sort of confused me. It's heavily implied that Carver raped or sexually assaulted Rebecca so why is she so scared that the baby might not have been Alvin's? Wouldn't he be understanding especially seeing how Carver is.
Jane is so evil, isn't she?
Remember when the evil Jane was saving Clementine from freezing to death (which I hear is a particularly horrible way to die) while the great Kenny is occupied with beating up a guy for completely selfish reasons?
Probably another case of set-ups that the writers of episodes 3 & 4 either discarded or simply weren't clued in on. I think Carver was originally suppose to less of a villain and the cabin crew were suppose to be more morally questionable. Rebecca's a straight up asshole in episode one, Luke foreshadows Carlos being dangerous in EP2, Alvin supposedly killed someone George and Carver warns Clem that she doesn't actually know the people she's staying with.
If the original plan was the cabin crew weren't very good people themselves (which might explain why they stick an eleven year girl in a shed to bleed to death) than it's possible Rebecca was actually having an affair with Carver, or vice versa. Maybe she was suppose to have been Carver's wife and she fell in love with Alvin and ran off or something. Who knows. Whatever the original plan was is all up in the air now.
Yes she is....
ohhh and you forgot that she wanted to leave sarah/rebecca/aj behind ?
Selfish reasons? He ran away and tried to rob the group before that what could have been the last straw for rebecca who died and luke got shot in the attempted robbery and drowned(is it weird that walkers freeze in a blizzard but were fighting bonnie luke under the ice?)
If Woodbury can exist, why not Wellington?
Yes.
Because it was sunny, not cold.
And? That were not show zombies in Wellington doesn´t mean they don´t go there.
How does it contradict what I am saying, exactly? Kenny had literally lost everything twice, and now even Clementine is afraid of him. She won´t love him anymore. Why should he not despair? Why should he not think that it was better for Clem to be without him? Hell, why should he not think that I could be better if he was dead?
How so?
In the Alone Ending, Clementine and the baby seem to be just fine.
What are you babbling about?
She only cared about herself, in the end.
Jane: I can´t do this without you! Is that what you want to hear?!
Because is not a random girl and a random baby?
Just a thought.
Not because Clem and AJ had left, but because:
-He had gotten back a normal life.
-He had a girlfriend
-Matthew died.
-Walter died.
-Sarita dies.
-If you cut off her arm, Clem basically killed Sarita.
-Everybody talks being is bad.
-Clem is shot.
-AJ is dead.
-He had just killed Jane.
Everybody has a breaking point, and I think that if you leave Kenny behind at the Rest Stop he reaches his breaking point.
First of all, Jane had her reasons to why she wanted to not get attached to people. It almost broke her before, she was scared. But she obviously cared very much for Clem's wellbeing. And she didn't leave AJ behind, she carried him and then found a spot where the baby would be safe... at least for the time being. Now, it's not a good thing. But, I'll tell you right now, she could've done FAR worse than that.
Now, what you've stated about Kenny is kind of silly. Sure, I hate Arvo as much as Kenny. But the priority at that moment was Clementine's (and determinately Bonnie's) safety, meaning getting them warmed up and not just violently beating someone else because he pissed you off.
Yeah, everybody has their reasons for doing what they do.
And Kenny wanted to teach him a lesson so that he would never do that again and in that Z-A world losing someone of your group weakens the group so i understand why he did it even though it was harsh of him doing so
Lee did not know is brother was going to die for hours, he did not watch his brother get worse and worse, he did not desperately think that it could be different, that it could not happen to him too. But Kenny knew that Duck was going to die, he had to watch Duck get worse and worse, desperately thinking that it could not happen to him too and, most of all, Katjaa killed herself right in front of him and Duck. Kenny can even be forced to shoot Duck himself.
And that´s only in season 1.
She does a complete personality turn and/or leaves a child for death.
Rebecca: Kill him!
And she stayed to watch Kenny kill Carver, regardless of what you do, without even flinching.
Luke: How did we get here? Sittin' in the snow... leaned up against a tree... bullet in my leg... but alive. When so many of my friends are dead... for no good reason... and I couldn't do anything to stop it. Everyone we set out with, just... gone... Nick, Pete... Alvin and Becca... Carlos... Sarah... I could have done more. And that ain't up for debate. I know it in my bones... and I've gotta live with it.
dafuq? Nick loss the will to live after Pete died, and kills Matthew for no good reason.
No sure if serious…
What?
Kenny doesn't overshadow the rest of the cast!
Look here:
Nick: Nick was a good man. He had once protected Clementine. I think, he would be a good protector for Clementine, but not for long. Clementine had to bring back Nick, because Nick was drunk. I wish he hadn't died. Nick was better than Luke.
Uncle Pete: Uncle Pete was a good uncle. Maybe he would have opportunities for Clementine and AJ, but unfortunately he died early.
Luke: Luke would never stand close to Clementine, because Luke has no idea how to protect a child. In addition, Luke chose Jane. Luke fell in love with Jane.
Jane: Jane and her sneaky way. You can't trust her. She left the group and came back. Jane would run away again and let Clementine alone with AJ. Especially AJ. Jane has left alone in the car AJ. What if AJ would die from the cold or a walker would find AJ in the car and bite. And Jane says nothing what happened to the baby. Jane's fault that Kenny is going to death. I hate Jane.
Rebecca and Alvin: Rebecca and Alvin didn't look like a survivor. They had a hard enough that Carver pursues.
Carlos and Sarah: Carlos and Sarah have been hard enough. Carlos had keep an eye on Sarah, because Sarah was afraid and didn't look like a surviving without their father.
Mike, Bonnie and Arvo: Mike, Bonnie and Arvo left Clementine. They left Clementine with a huge large wound. What would have happened if Clementine was dead? Thank God that Kenny was worried about Clementine.
Do you see? No one cares about Clementine and AJ.
Kenny is the only one that he cares about Clementine and AJ.
No matter what you say, it was bad that instead of trying to get Clementine (and possibly Bonnie) warm, he thought the better plan was to beat on Arvo (which again, I don't mind if the scenario were different).
The priority at that point should've been helping the eleven year old girl from freezing to death.
Woodbury also causes us to lose immerse within the comic books or the TV series, but much less so than Wellington - as Woodbury were literally a community built up by the remains of infrastructure and whatnot unlike Wellington, where they built community made up of iron crates and seemingly impenetrable walls.
Also, I never wanted the existence of Woodbury either.
Yes. To this.
So are you saying that the sun would not make it cold? Because when the scene with Jane and Kenny fought began, it wasn't at night - it was sunny, and it certainly was cold.
Also there's a whole load of other permanent factors that would support my case such as the altitude and the latitude of Wellington, but we have no idea why they are in a geographical sense - so really, I have no idea why it's not cold near Wellington. It could be a number of reasons. I do not know.
But there were none at the time, and I'm suppose to take that as a big fat coincidence?
I never said he should not despair, that is the whole point. He didn't say "Clementine, you would be better off without me.." which, if he wanted Clem be better off without him, he would have done or "Clementine, come with meee.." when you accept his apology, which, if he wanted Clem be better off without him, he would have done. In both those scenarios, Kenny has no opinion, he just goes along with Clementine's choices. You may say..
"But he is not selfish! He lets Clementine pick what she wants!"
But - there is a clear difference between selfishness and caring. I could say to my 11-Year-Old daughter "You're not allowed to leave this house and not come back!" Is that selfish? That's caring for someone. It contradicts with your statement because you have said that Kenny wanted Clementine and AJ to have the best chance - with the Wellington situation anyway. If Kenny wanted Clementine and AJ to have the best chance - than why didn't he care whether or not Clementine and the baby stay with him or not? Did he not care back then - did he think Clementine leaving and Clementine staying with him would have the same chance - Was he awe struck with amazement that he killed Jane? Kenny certainly didn't care back then.
Really? There's a zombie horde in front of Clementine, and she's holding a baby that could become a siren in about 1 second.
Jane: I can´t do this without you! Is that what you want to hear?!
OK, I'll give you that. But she still had an opinion on something, she still cared for someone.
But he barely had a relationship with her! I mean my god, he started acting like he was his father at Episode 3. They barely talked in Season 1 (unless they had a secret meeting or something.) Suddenly, Kenny acts as if they were best buds. When they had little to no interaction with each in Season 1, it was all Lee and Kenny.
Also, a little side note, remember Episode 2's teaser? Seems as if Kenny was going to act stern with her if she didn't try to find him in Episode 2, wonder why that went.
-He had gotten back a normal life.
-He had a girlfriend
-Matthew died.
-Walter died.
-Sarita dies.
-If you cut off her arm, Clem basically killed Sarita.
-Everybody talks being is bad.
-Clem is shot.
-AJ is dead.
-He had just killed Jane.
Everybody has a breaking point, and I think that if you leave Kenny behind at the Rest Stop he reaches his breaking point.
"You don’t just give up. You stick it out and help the folks you care about." I think Kenny believes suicide is not an option, only death by the hands of another. I personally think that Kenny may go an turn on his Savannah state - and become a mindless drone like Sarita said. He lost all of his friends and family in Savannah, and he lost all his friends and family in Wellington - and lost an eye too.
Practically the same scenario, right?
Once again - my options may appear a little biased, but I tried to be unbiased. So yeah. Also, I know this is going to start turning into a flame war, so to end this.. I'll just agree with what you said - so we can stop this. Ok? Or no?