Couldn't have said it better myself. Again no problem bringing him back (Even if it was stupid and fan-induced with ZERO explanation). But he was FORCED onto us and dominated the story undeservedly. And in the end ruined other characters' development.
Honestly, this season would have been fine if the writers didn't have a Kenny infatuation. I would have done it like this. Make it so Kenny … moredoesn't wake up in time for the group to leave Howe's, so they have to abandon him in the end, leaving his status unknown and the character possibly alive or dead. A great series doesn't listen to it's fans every whim and need (see Game of Thrones). A great series will do everything in its power to create compelling characters and relationships and not giving one specific person special treatment. Great development of Cabin Group and Carver early who got screwed over by the large trainwreck that was Kenny.
I was originally expecting that they were going to fridge him to flesh out Sarita's character a bit more and give her some interesting dynamics with Clem. Like maybe Kenny dies saving Sarita and Clem helps her cope with that survivor's guilt and in turn deals with her own guilt over Lee. But alas, they just gave him the same arc again but put it upfront and center this time.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Again no problem bringing him back (Even if it was stupid and fan-induced with ZERO explanation). But h… moree was FORCED onto us and dominated the story undeservedly. And in the end ruined other characters' development.
For some sick strange reason, extreme Kenny fanatics have the hardest time in the world understanding that there are people out there who don't like him for a very legitimate reason and label anyone like that as a "Kenny hater" Meanwhile, there are people like us who understand Kenny and don't hate him yet understand that the quality of the story as a whole declines noticeably when the whole thing is centered around one nut who majority of on screen characters don't like. I just don't get it. It's sickening.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Again no problem bringing him back (Even if it was stupid and fan-induced with ZERO explanation). But h… moree was FORCED onto us and dominated the story undeservedly. And in the end ruined other characters' development.
Sorry for not jumping on the awesome over the top character-hate bandwagon we've got going on here. I realise I must feel a little out of place as a result. Hey, think what it's like for me in my little bubble of 'actually, I kind of like these characters even if there is some odd writing moments and have trouble spewing hate'. It's lonely here.
Okay. And I like every character to. In this particular thread, the OP says everything Lee does does not matter, because in the end Kenny takes over as the #1 guy in the narrative although majority of Season 1 was spent preparing Clementine for the role. Season 2 was meant to be Clementine's story according to the original vision of Sean Vanaman and the crew of Season 1 writers. Instead Season 2 writers brought back Kenny and decided to copy his previous tragedy arc when they couldn't come up with anything after Nick Breckon's work in Ep. 1 and 2. It's just a lack of respect for the work of art that was Season 1. Instead of developing Clementine further, we are forced to be a spectator along for the ride in the tragedy of Kenny V.2.0 as we see him happy with Sarita then he goes down the same depressed and irrational route he did last Season. Hell, we even repeat the boat with Wellington! I do not hate Kenny. I think he is one of the most well-developed characters Telltale has created. But he was meant to die in that alley/room.
Sorry for not jumping on the awesome over the top character-hate bandwagon we've got going on here. I realise I must feel a little out of pl… moreace as a result. Hey, think what it's like for me in my little bubble of 'actually, I kind of like these characters even if there is some odd writing moments and have trouble spewing hate'. It's lonely here.
But this wouldn't be exclusive to Kenny and yet we end up with another Kenny thread. Season 2 is Clem's story but there were always going to be other characters in there. That doesn't devalue Lee in any way and that's what I'm failing to see in the actual post - sure, have Kenny problems and that's fine but how does that possibly devalue Lee? Season 2 has so much more going on than just Kenny and Jane and yet everyone just seems fixated on what effectively happens in just the last couple of moments in the game and it has riled them up about either or both.
As for whether he was meant to die in the alley, I never thought he was dead (I got the one where he goes after Ben though so I realise it could be different with other options). But that's just a difference of how we took that moment and it actually has no bearing on whether he devalues Lee.
Basically, I'm just not seeing the actual thread title backed up and, whatever about your view on Kenny (which seems to be more balanced), the opening post here does appear to be just an angry Kenny hate post.
Okay. And I like every character to. In this particular thread, the OP says everything Lee does does not matter, because in the end Kenny ta… morekes over as the #1 guy in the narrative although majority of Season 1 was spent preparing Clementine for the role. Season 2 was meant to be Clementine's story according to the original vision of Sean Vanaman and the crew of Season 1 writers. Instead Season 2 writers brought back Kenny and decided to copy his previous tragedy arc when they couldn't come up with anything after Nick Breckon's work in Ep. 1 and 2. It's just a lack of respect for the work of art that was Season 1. Instead of developing Clementine further, we are forced to be a spectator along for the ride in the tragedy of Kenny V.2.0 as we see him happy with Sarita then he goes down the same depressed and irrational route he did last Season. Hell, we even repeat the boat with Wellington! I do not hate Kenny. I think he is one of the most well… [view original content]
Sure I would have loved something like that as well, but guess what; then we'd be talking about pepople being alienated into the Kenny friendship even more. It's intentionally left vage and that is also why you have options to both show understanding and opposition to him.
So what if it is a Kenny hate post? God knows we have enough of those. What harm could one more do? Except this one has legitimate reasoning behind it that I agree with. Kenny's "problems' take up so much screen time away from anyone else, making the other characters just convenient placeholders with no purpose than to screw something up. Literally everything Kenny does is justfied and takes up so much away.
Oh he's incredibly furious at Clem? That's okay, he just lost Sarita.
Oh look, he says Wellington is out there? Well wow! It is! imagine that!
Oh look, Mike and Jane don't agree with Kenny about Wellington? Well screw them haha b/c we get dragged up north either way! Mike was evil anyway! He wants to leave them with no supplies!
Oh, he's abusing Arvo again? That's okay since Arvo shoots Clem. (So OOC for Arvo)
Let it be said again. I do not hate Kenny. He just doesn't add anything new to Season 2 and he is painted out to be a tragic hero in a group of morons.
But this wouldn't be exclusive to Kenny and yet we end up with another Kenny thread. Season 2 is Clem's story but there were always going to… more be other characters in there. That doesn't devalue Lee in any way and that's what I'm failing to see in the actual post - sure, have Kenny problems and that's fine but how does that possibly devalue Lee? Season 2 has so much more going on than just Kenny and Jane and yet everyone just seems fixated on what effectively happens in just the last couple of moments in the game and it has riled them up about either or both.
As for whether he was meant to die in the alley, I never thought he was dead (I got the one where he goes after Ben though so I realise it could be different with other options). But that's just a difference of how we took that moment and it actually has no bearing on whether he devalues Lee.
Basically, I'm just not seeing the actual thread title backed up and, whatever about your vie… [view original content]
The topic is "Kenny in season 2 devalues everything about Lee". I don't disagree with much of what you've written here and yet not one part of it actually relates to that statement. It's a bait and switch and all we end up with is the same old stuff that's in a ton of other threads.
So what if it is a Kenny hate post? God knows we have enough of those. What harm could one more do? Except this one has legitimate reasoning… more behind it that I agree with. Kenny's "problems' take up so much screen time away from anyone else, making the other characters just convenient placeholders with no purpose than to screw something up. Literally everything Kenny does is justfied and takes up so much away.
Oh he's incredibly furious at Clem? That's okay, he just lost Sarita.
Oh look, he says Wellington is out there? Well wow! It is! imagine that!
Oh look, Mike and Jane don't agree with Kenny about Wellington? Well screw them haha b/c we get dragged up north either way! Mike was evil anyway! He wants to leave them with no supplies!
Oh, he's abusing Arvo again? That's okay since Arvo shoots Clem. (So OOC for Arvo)
Let it be said again. I do not hate Kenny. He just doesn't add anything new to Season 2 and he is painted out to be a tragic hero in a group of morons.
The problem is that Telltale became too enamored with their own character, and got new writers who apparently believed Kenny was the second-most important character after Clem.
Similar problem with Jane TBH. This Molly clone never needed to exist in the first place, not when the first episode introduced characters who needed to be fleshed out more. What do we know about Alvin other than him being a nice guy who (determinantly) sacrifices himself heroically?
Honestly, this season would have been fine if the writers didn't have a Kenny infatuation. I would have done it like this. Make it so Kenny … moredoesn't wake up in time for the group to leave Howe's, so they have to abandon him in the end, leaving his status unknown and the character possibly alive or dead. A great series doesn't listen to it's fans every whim and need (see Game of Thrones). A great series will do everything in its power to create compelling characters and relationships and not giving one specific person special treatment. Great development of Cabin Group and Carver early who got screwed over by the large trainwreck that was Kenny.
I will admit that perhaps the OP went a bit too far in saying
lee you don't matter, Kenny will replace you and have a happy ending with Clementine. Oh and Duck and Katjaa, you don't matter either, kenny will replace you as well. It's all about Kenny in the end."
Obviously Lee is still in the thoughts of Kenny and Clem, being such an integral part of Season 1. However, it's just how Kenny is. He will listen to what you say then still do what he wants to do.
Kenny in Season 1
"We get a fucking boat!"
Kenny in Season 2
Kenny: "Look I don't give two shits about what you people think! I fixed this truck so I get to say where we go! And we're going fuckin north!"
then in the car
Clem: "Dammit Kenny! Look around! There's nothing up here! Wellington doesn't exist. It's just a story."
Kenny: "Tomorrow, you'll see how wrong you are."
An endless cycle of Kenny being Kenny and walking all over the story in places he doesn't belong.
The topic is "Kenny in season 2 devalues everything about Lee". I don't disagree with much of what you've written here and yet not one part … moreof it actually relates to that statement. It's a bait and switch and all we end up with is the same old stuff that's in a ton of other threads.
As you say, we have enough of those.
Agreed. In "In Harm's Way" I don't believe Jane had a single speaking line before their escape. She has far too much development in Ep. 4 for my liking that was just poured on relentlessly. Eliminating Kenny and Jane from the story (Leaving Kenny at Howe's, Jane dying at the ice lake is how I would have done it) would have allowed for the original characters of Ep. 1, the Cabin Group to have more meaning. Carlos could have taken Kenny's arc and Nick could have more meaning than getting stuck in a fence.
The problem is that Telltale became too enamored with their own character, and got new writers who apparently believed Kenny was the second-… moremost important character after Clem.
Similar problem with Jane TBH. This Molly clone never needed to exist in the first place, not when the first episode introduced characters who needed to be fleshed out more. What do we know about Alvin other than him being a nice guy who (determinantly) sacrifices himself heroically?
Again, not disagreeing with your interpretation of Kenny there but not seeing how it devalues Lee. How can it possibly affect Lee one way or another? Kenny didn't replace Lee and that one sentence you quote is the only mention of the issue in the original post. In fact as mentioned by you and many others, his role is very similar to his role in season 1, where he was with Lee.
Without backing that up, it's just a headline to justify the same old Kenny thread. Like if I wrote a thread titled "Mike's shoes are awesome" and began the thread with "But Kenny's shoes are shit and here's a whole bunch of other things that are shit about Kenny...". Actually I probably linked the thread title and content better than intended there. Hopefully you see the point. The thread title just led to same old, same old...
I will admit that perhaps the OP went a bit too far in saying
lee you don't matter, Kenny will replace you and have a happy ending wit… moreh Clementine. Oh and Duck and Katjaa, you don't matter either, kenny will replace you as well. It's all about Kenny in the end."
Obviously Lee is still in the thoughts of Kenny and Clem, being such an integral part of Season 1. However, it's just how Kenny is. He will listen to what you say then still do what he wants to do.
Kenny in Season 1
"We get a fucking boat!"
Kenny in Season 2
Kenny: "Look I don't give two shits about what you people think! I fixed this truck so I get to say where we go! And we're going fuckin north!"
then in the car
Clem: "Dammit Kenny! Look around! There's nothing up here! Wellington doesn't exist. It's just a story."
Kenny: "Tomorrow, you'll see how wrong you are."
An endless cycle of Kenny being Kenny and walking all over the story in places he doesn't belong.
A few week ago, I had this epic post about my version of Season 2 that accidentally got thwarted thanks to my computer shutting off. But it involved Sarita's role being beefed up to have her be a single mom (with no boyfriend) and trying to become a mentor to Clem.
Agreed. In "In Harm's Way" I don't believe Jane had a single speaking line before their escape. She has far too much development in Ep. 4 fo… morer my liking that was just poured on relentlessly. Eliminating Kenny and Jane from the story (Leaving Kenny at Howe's, Jane dying at the ice lake is how I would have done it) would have allowed for the original characters of Ep. 1, the Cabin Group to have more meaning. Carlos could have taken Kenny's arc and Nick could have more meaning than getting stuck in a fence.
Aw man that sucks about the computer shutting off. Sounds pretty sweet though! Rewrite it one day when you have the time! It would be good to see Sarita in a new light besides Kenny's second dead lover.
A few week ago, I had this epic post about my version of Season 2 that accidentally got thwarted thanks to my computer shutting off. But it… more involved Sarita's role being beefed up to have her be a single mom (with no boyfriend) and trying to become a mentor to Clem.
Hell, the writers tried to guilt the players into feeling bad that they shot him in S2E5 because his insatiable blood lust was, yet again, out of control.
Did you even read the entire thread? Or are you just gonna sit there and pretend that good conversations aren't happening in this "hate thread". I'll wait.
Again, not disagreeing with your interpretation of Kenny there but not seeing how it devalues Lee. How can it possibly affect Lee one way or… more another? Kenny didn't replace Lee and that one sentence you quote is the only mention of the issue in the original post. In fact as mentioned by you and many others, his role is very similar to his role in season 1, where he was with Lee.
Without backing that up, it's just a headline to justify the same old Kenny thread. Like if I wrote a thread titled "Mike's shoes are awesome" and began the thread with "But Kenny's shoes are shit and here's a whole bunch of other things that are shit about Kenny...". Actually I probably linked the thread title and content better than intended there. Hopefully you see the point. The thread title just led to same old, same old...
I have read it actually (you use caps to great effect) and in two pages I haven't yet seen the issue of Lee being devalued demonstrated or even discussed.
Did you even read the entire thread? Or are you just gonna sit there and pretend that good conversations aren't happening in this "hate thread". I'll wait.
Honestly, this season would have been fine if the writers didn't have a Kenny infatuation. I would have done it like this. Make it so Kenny … moredoesn't wake up in time for the group to leave Howe's, so they have to abandon him in the end, leaving his status unknown and the character possibly alive or dead. A great series doesn't listen to it's fans every whim and need (see Game of Thrones). A great series will do everything in its power to create compelling characters and relationships and not giving one specific person special treatment. Great development of Cabin Group and Carver early who got screwed over by the large trainwreck that was Kenny.
If anything, Clem winding up with Kenny actually gives Lee even more value than he already had. He was the perfect caretaker for Clem, and as much as I love Kenny, he could never be Lee. Hell, Kenny even knows that he can't measure up to Lee. Lee was usually level headed and tried to think things through and do what was best for Clementine despite whatever emotions he was feeling. In Season 2, with Kenny attempting to take up Lee's role, we see exactly how much Kenny isn't qualified to be "Lee 2.0". Kenny is emotional, he's reckless, and by the end he's straight up dangerous to everyone around him, including Clem. Understand that I'm not saying he's intentionally out to get everyone, but he's too broken to be taking care of Clem despite how much he loves her. Even though he's a good man in my opinion, if you compare how he and Lee act toward Clem then, well, it just makes Lee shine all the brighter to me.
Yep. Kenny was always a loose cannon, even in season 1. Even when he means well, it's that part of him that will mean he could never be Lee. In ways, I think Clem had outgrown him by season 2 anyway even at 11 years old. Whereas Lee could have still been that father figure and Clem would still have been a child with Lee around.
If anything, Clem winding up with Kenny actually gives Lee even more value than he already had. He was the perfect caretaker for Clem, and a… mores much as I love Kenny, he could never be Lee. Hell, Kenny even knows that he can't measure up to Lee. Lee was usually level headed and tried to think things through and do what was best for Clementine despite whatever emotions he was feeling. In Season 2, with Kenny attempting to take up Lee's role, we see exactly how much Kenny isn't qualified to be "Lee 2.0". Kenny is emotional, he's reckless, and by the end he's straight up dangerous to everyone around him, including Clem. Understand that I'm not saying he's intentionally out to get everyone, but he's too broken to be taking care of Clem despite how much he loves her. Even though he's a good man in my opinion, if you compare how he and Lee act toward Clem then, well, it just makes Lee shine all the brighter to me.
He had metal plating in his head which deflected the bullet, if Clem decided to shoot him in the head. He got lucky, real lucky. He just had to rest there. If he kept the arm, his urban powers kept him alive through the infection.
they had a great history and both knew Lee well, Kenny went out to hunt or get supplies with Lee the whole time Kenny: "don't forget to look under the counter this time Lee".
He could have returned. But the way they did it was disrespectful, and asinine "I got lucky" LOL GREAT explanation writers. I'm sure if Clem… more didn't shoot Lee and he showed up at the lodge perfect with one arm him saying "I got lucky" would suffice. Give me a break.
A great series doesn't listen to it's fans every whim and need (see Game of Thrones).
Oh, that's right. A great series does the exac… moret opposite by raping and slaughtering anyone who's even remotely likeable.
I can understand some of the criticism regarding Kenny, but you guys seriously need to get a grip.
Game of Thrones is great at making things come around full circle. It's karma, if you do something stupid or evil, it comes back to bite you in the ass. There is no discrimination when it comes to justice in that series. Kenny on the other hand, was proven right in everything he ever endeavored to do. No matter how hard he pushed the group, how hard he fought with everyone, how wrong his demented pursuit for a pipe dream all seemed, he was proven right. How is that right? Everyone else has opinions yet he says "I'm doing this so you people have to follow me." Then the story randomly writes people as villains and Kenny can do no wrong. What up with that?
A great series doesn't listen to it's fans every whim and need (see Game of Thrones).
Oh, that's right. A great series does the exac… moret opposite by raping and slaughtering anyone who's even remotely likeable.
I can understand some of the criticism regarding Kenny, but you guys seriously need to get a grip.
Yep. Kenny was always a loose cannon, even in season 1. Even when he means well, it's that part of him that will mean he could never be Lee.… more In ways, I think Clem had outgrown him by season 2 anyway even at 11 years old. Whereas Lee could have still been that father figure and Clem would still have been a child with Lee around.
The whole i'm more superiour than you is the whole problem with this game a lot of deaths are from human to human
just look at carver he kills someone because someone didn't pick their berries correctly
Don't people realise that Kenny sustained brain damage from Carver and this is why he becomes increasingly violent in the last 2 episodes of S2, Kenny is no saint but neither are any of the other characters from S1 and S2
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Couldn't have said it better myself. Again no problem bringing him back (Even if it was stupid and fan-induced with ZERO explanation). But he was FORCED onto us and dominated the story undeservedly. And in the end ruined other characters' development.
I was originally expecting that they were going to fridge him to flesh out Sarita's character a bit more and give her some interesting dynamics with Clem. Like maybe Kenny dies saving Sarita and Clem helps her cope with that survivor's guilt and in turn deals with her own guilt over Lee. But alas, they just gave him the same arc again but put it upfront and center this time.
For some sick strange reason, extreme Kenny fanatics have the hardest time in the world understanding that there are people out there who don't like him for a very legitimate reason and label anyone like that as a "Kenny hater" Meanwhile, there are people like us who understand Kenny and don't hate him yet understand that the quality of the story as a whole declines noticeably when the whole thing is centered around one nut who majority of on screen characters don't like. I just don't get it. It's sickening.
You haven't actually said a single thing in your post that backs up your thread title. It's just another Kenny hate thread.
Oh just go away.
Sorry for not jumping on the awesome over the top character-hate bandwagon we've got going on here. I realise I must feel a little out of place as a result. Hey, think what it's like for me in my little bubble of 'actually, I kind of like these characters even if there is some odd writing moments and have trouble spewing hate'. It's lonely here.
Okay. And I like every character to. In this particular thread, the OP says everything Lee does does not matter, because in the end Kenny takes over as the #1 guy in the narrative although majority of Season 1 was spent preparing Clementine for the role. Season 2 was meant to be Clementine's story according to the original vision of Sean Vanaman and the crew of Season 1 writers. Instead Season 2 writers brought back Kenny and decided to copy his previous tragedy arc when they couldn't come up with anything after Nick Breckon's work in Ep. 1 and 2. It's just a lack of respect for the work of art that was Season 1. Instead of developing Clementine further, we are forced to be a spectator along for the ride in the tragedy of Kenny V.2.0 as we see him happy with Sarita then he goes down the same depressed and irrational route he did last Season. Hell, we even repeat the boat with Wellington! I do not hate Kenny. I think he is one of the most well-developed characters Telltale has created. But he was meant to die in that alley/room.
But this wouldn't be exclusive to Kenny and yet we end up with another Kenny thread. Season 2 is Clem's story but there were always going to be other characters in there. That doesn't devalue Lee in any way and that's what I'm failing to see in the actual post - sure, have Kenny problems and that's fine but how does that possibly devalue Lee? Season 2 has so much more going on than just Kenny and Jane and yet everyone just seems fixated on what effectively happens in just the last couple of moments in the game and it has riled them up about either or both.
As for whether he was meant to die in the alley, I never thought he was dead (I got the one where he goes after Ben though so I realise it could be different with other options). But that's just a difference of how we took that moment and it actually has no bearing on whether he devalues Lee.
Basically, I'm just not seeing the actual thread title backed up and, whatever about your view on Kenny (which seems to be more balanced), the opening post here does appear to be just an angry Kenny hate post.
Doesn't need to be. The point to story driven game choices is that the player has some untold agency to decide that for themselves.
Sure I would have loved something like that as well, but guess what; then we'd be talking about pepople being alienated into the Kenny friendship even more. It's intentionally left vage and that is also why you have options to both show understanding and opposition to him.
So what if it is a Kenny hate post? God knows we have enough of those. What harm could one more do? Except this one has legitimate reasoning behind it that I agree with. Kenny's "problems' take up so much screen time away from anyone else, making the other characters just convenient placeholders with no purpose than to screw something up. Literally everything Kenny does is justfied and takes up so much away.
Oh he's incredibly furious at Clem? That's okay, he just lost Sarita.
Oh look, he says Wellington is out there? Well wow! It is! imagine that!
Oh look, Mike and Jane don't agree with Kenny about Wellington? Well screw them haha b/c we get dragged up north either way! Mike was evil anyway! He wants to leave them with no supplies!
Oh, he's abusing Arvo again? That's okay since Arvo shoots Clem. (So OOC for Arvo)
Let it be said again. I do not hate Kenny. He just doesn't add anything new to Season 2 and he is painted out to be a tragic hero in a group of morons.
The topic is "Kenny in season 2 devalues everything about Lee". I don't disagree with much of what you've written here and yet not one part of it actually relates to that statement. It's a bait and switch and all we end up with is the same old stuff that's in a ton of other threads.
As you say, we have enough of those.
I greatly prefer Kenny's kind of crazy to "i know whats best for everybody and I'm going to manipulate you for your own good" kind.
The problem is that Telltale became too enamored with their own character, and got new writers who apparently believed Kenny was the second-most important character after Clem.
Similar problem with Jane TBH. This Molly clone never needed to exist in the first place, not when the first episode introduced characters who needed to be fleshed out more. What do we know about Alvin other than him being a nice guy who (determinantly) sacrifices himself heroically?
I will admit that perhaps the OP went a bit too far in saying
Obviously Lee is still in the thoughts of Kenny and Clem, being such an integral part of Season 1. However, it's just how Kenny is. He will listen to what you say then still do what he wants to do.
Kenny in Season 1
"We get a fucking boat!"
Kenny in Season 2
Kenny: "Look I don't give two shits about what you people think! I fixed this truck so I get to say where we go! And we're going fuckin north!"
then in the car
Clem: "Dammit Kenny! Look around! There's nothing up here! Wellington doesn't exist. It's just a story."
Kenny: "Tomorrow, you'll see how wrong you are."
An endless cycle of Kenny being Kenny and walking all over the story in places he doesn't belong.
Agreed. In "In Harm's Way" I don't believe Jane had a single speaking line before their escape. She has far too much development in Ep. 4 for my liking that was just poured on relentlessly. Eliminating Kenny and Jane from the story (Leaving Kenny at Howe's, Jane dying at the ice lake is how I would have done it) would have allowed for the original characters of Ep. 1, the Cabin Group to have more meaning. Carlos could have taken Kenny's arc and Nick could have more meaning than getting stuck in a fence.
Again, not disagreeing with your interpretation of Kenny there but not seeing how it devalues Lee. How can it possibly affect Lee one way or another? Kenny didn't replace Lee and that one sentence you quote is the only mention of the issue in the original post. In fact as mentioned by you and many others, his role is very similar to his role in season 1, where he was with Lee.
Without backing that up, it's just a headline to justify the same old Kenny thread. Like if I wrote a thread titled "Mike's shoes are awesome" and began the thread with "But Kenny's shoes are shit and here's a whole bunch of other things that are shit about Kenny...". Actually I probably linked the thread title and content better than intended there. Hopefully you see the point. The thread title just led to same old, same old...
A few week ago, I had this epic post about my version of Season 2 that accidentally got thwarted thanks to my computer shutting off. But it involved Sarita's role being beefed up to have her be a single mom (with no boyfriend) and trying to become a mentor to Clem.
Aw man that sucks about the computer shutting off. Sounds pretty sweet though! Rewrite it one day when you have the time! It would be good to see Sarita in a new light besides Kenny's second dead lover.
Knowing how the writers favor Kenny, i would guess that he gets to die like a hero.
Hell, the writers tried to guilt the players into feeling bad that they shot him in S2E5 because his insatiable blood lust was, yet again, out of control.
Man, fuck Kenny.
Kenny is the best,I cry of happiness in my ending.(if Wellington dont want Kenny,screw them)
Did you even read the entire thread? Or are you just gonna sit there and pretend that good conversations aren't happening in this "hate thread". I'll wait.
I have read it actually (you use caps to great effect) and in two pages I haven't yet seen the issue of Lee being devalued demonstrated or even discussed.
Oh, that's right. A great series does the exact opposite by raping and slaughtering anyone who's even remotely likeable.
I can understand some of the criticism regarding Kenny, but you guys seriously need to get a grip.
In my opinion Season 2 was great.
If anything, Clem winding up with Kenny actually gives Lee even more value than he already had. He was the perfect caretaker for Clem, and as much as I love Kenny, he could never be Lee. Hell, Kenny even knows that he can't measure up to Lee. Lee was usually level headed and tried to think things through and do what was best for Clementine despite whatever emotions he was feeling. In Season 2, with Kenny attempting to take up Lee's role, we see exactly how much Kenny isn't qualified to be "Lee 2.0". Kenny is emotional, he's reckless, and by the end he's straight up dangerous to everyone around him, including Clem. Understand that I'm not saying he's intentionally out to get everyone, but he's too broken to be taking care of Clem despite how much he loves her. Even though he's a good man in my opinion, if you compare how he and Lee act toward Clem then, well, it just makes Lee shine all the brighter to me.
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Yep. Kenny was always a loose cannon, even in season 1. Even when he means well, it's that part of him that will mean he could never be Lee. In ways, I think Clem had outgrown him by season 2 anyway even at 11 years old. Whereas Lee could have still been that father figure and Clem would still have been a child with Lee around.
"urban"powers ? what kind of 70s frase is that
they had a great history and both knew Lee well, Kenny went out to hunt or get supplies with Lee the whole time Kenny: "don't forget to look under the counter this time Lee".
So i see the bond
My grand-gramma just died, then one day, she ringed my house and I said: GRANDMA??!!!!
Grandma- I got lucky... Real lucky...
Well, S2 did that with Nick, Sarah, and Luke, but not Kenny, because the new writers are too much in love with Kenny.
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Game of Thrones is great at making things come around full circle. It's karma, if you do something stupid or evil, it comes back to bite you in the ass. There is no discrimination when it comes to justice in that series. Kenny on the other hand, was proven right in everything he ever endeavored to do. No matter how hard he pushed the group, how hard he fought with everyone, how wrong his demented pursuit for a pipe dream all seemed, he was proven right. How is that right? Everyone else has opinions yet he says "I'm doing this so you people have to follow me." Then the story randomly writes people as villains and Kenny can do no wrong. What up with that?
a cellphone in her casket? Thats lucky...
The whole i'm more superiour than you is the whole problem with this game a lot of deaths are from human to human
just look at carver he kills someone because someone didn't pick their berries correctly
That cannon part is the reason he is still around i guess
To be fair though, poor berry-pickers are incredibly frustrating.
Don't people realise that Kenny sustained brain damage from Carver and this is why he becomes increasingly violent in the last 2 episodes of S2, Kenny is no saint but neither are any of the other characters from S1 and S2