Yeah, Telltale, I think, for all intents and purposes had created Lilly in the game to be the same one in the comic. It's obvious this is true due to Lilly having the same last name in the game as the comic character and having the same background (working at the Air Force Base).
Kirkman would have known about the fact that Telltale was using Lilly in the game, since we all knew from way back that characters such as Lilly, Glenn and Hershel from the comic were going to appear in the game. Instead he decided to write his book and use the same character with a different back story, which is extremely unfortunate.
Also, I'm positive Lilly used to be on this Telltale page announcing the survivors that are in the game from the comic:
It leaves us with a lot of silly questions though. How did he get a tiger in Georgia? A zoo? Why is the tiger so subservient? Was he the tigers master? How is the tiger not dead? Does it have enough sense not to bite a disease ridden zombie? How does the Saviours have enough resources to sustain a seemingly healthy tiger? Also why are they all medieval? How did they get all that armour? A museum? You'd think they'd be shotty replicas? What made them want to go back to a much more primitive life style? Are they all dorky roleplayers?
Yeah it does suck that both Lilly's aren't the same, but look at the bright side Telltale could now do whatever they want with their Lilly character, everybody assumed that she will find herself in Woodbury with the RV was kinda obvious if you read the comics, but now it's all wide open she could well appear in S2.
I'll just ignore the books and think of game Lilly as comic Lilly too. Game Lilly just seems to fit more with her comic counterpart than the one from the book. I also just can't resist the parallels between Lilly, Lee, and Kenny if game Lilly IS comic Lilly. All three do horrible things (Lee killed a Senator, Kenny let Shawn die and killed Larry, while Lilly murders Doug or Carley), but all three end up getting redemption right before the end (Lee saves Clem from the Stranger after helping her through the Apocalypse, Kenny saves Christa or mercy kills Ben at the cost of his own life, and Lilly kills The Governor and tries to lead the Woodbury soldiers to safety).
It leaves us with a lot of silly questions though. How did he get a tiger in Georgia? A zoo? Why is the tiger so subservient? Was he the tigers master? How is the tiger not dead? Does it have enough sense not to bite a disease ridden zombie? How does the Saviours have enough resources to sustain a seemingly healthy tiger? Also why are they all medieval? How did they get all that armour? A museum? You'd think they'd be shotty replicas? What made them want to go back to a much more primitive life style? Are they all dorky roleplayers?
Honestly I don't really like it that much.
You got me there... though I'd think a full suit of armour would be excellent protection against walkers. No rotting, decaying teeth are going to be biting through that. Maybe it would be a bad idea if they all piled on top of you and you couldn't move, but that's why they're a group.
I personally love the Medieval era, and would totally charge down a walker with a lance on a horse any day.
That kind of armor, REAL armor, is incredibly heavy.
You'd get weighed down in a horde and die of dehydration in a few days... assuming you didn't pass out somewhere from exhaustion while trying to get from point A to point B while wearing it.
That kind of armor, REAL armor, is incredibly heavy.
You'd get weighed down in a horde and die of dehydration in a few days... assuming you didn't pass out somewhere from exhaustion while trying to get from point A to point B while wearing it.
And heaven help you it you fell over..... lol
Well, that's why i mentioned groups. You'd be the front line warrior, the "wall" that holds off the walkers, and if you fall over or get overwhelmed by too many enemies then your allies(that are a safe distance away) shoot them off you and help you back up. It's not like you need strategy of any kind to combat them, so with full protection on your body there's a lot of room for mistakes(unless you're alone).
Yeah yeah, it's certainly not the best plan around. But you know what....i bet
if Lee were wearing some platemail when checking that garbage pile, he'd still be alive today.
Let's also not forget that all that metal on metal noise you'd have when moving....
It's good in theory, but not in practice.
You know, if you were really serious about medieval protection - you'd be better served with chainmail and some thick cloth underneath it. Gloves of some kind, of course and a gorget or something around the neck to avoid "blunt bite" trauma to your soft parts.
I'm seeing more and more opinions that the comic is much worse now(and not getting any better) than it was 50 issues ago. The common consensus is that the comic stopped being good after they
left the prison arc
and has not picked up since.
Your opinion is that the argument on the road was forced. My opinion was that it fit her character in the comic to a perfect T, with what little we saw of it. Neither can be right or wrong.
It wouldn't have been too upsetting if Kirkman did not give the go ahead to include such characters in the game to begin with, then change them afterward. A simple "we're writing something new that gives this character this specific back story, so don't make her like this or etc." could have been enough. Imagine if Hershel Greene was portrayed as a 10 year old child, or Glenn was an African American bodybuilder.
I doubt they could have even used these characters without Kirkman's permission at the start.
I always felt that the Lilly character in the comics was misunderstood to be honest. Because she did something bad to a character we knew and cared about she was seen as a villain. The way Telltale portrayed her was based on their perception of her. They saw her as someone who did something heinous and made her in the game, cold, bitchy and callous.
When I read the comics I saw her as a normal woman who was deceived by the Governor into believing that she was protecting her community from dangerous people. I didn't see her as being a member of the Governor's army or elite group who knew his wicked plans. So for me, seeing how Kirkman portrayed Lilly in the book fitted the way I perceived her character from the comics far more than how she came across in the game.
I never saw Lilly as crazy, paranoid or wicked in the comics. In fact I see a lot of similarities in how Andrea in the TV show was deceived by the Governor into fighting against Rick's people under the cover of smoke and how Lilly was manipulated by the Governor without the knowledge of the truth.
You got me there... though I'd think a full suit of armour would be excellent protection against walkers. No rotting, decaying teeth are going to be biting through that. Maybe it would be a bad idea if they all piled on top of you and you couldn't move, but that's why they're a group.
I personally love the Medieval era, and would totally charge down a walker with a lance on a horse any day.
Depends on the climate, in a place like Georgia where heat injuries are already pretty common during the summer, packing yourself into a 50 lbs. steel oven doesn't strike me as a particularly good idea. Even guys that were used to wearing the stuff in England would sometimes have to raise their visors just to breathe in the stuff while going uphill (which nearly resulted in the death of Henry V when he got an arrow to the face).
And while not necessarily detrimental to immediate survival, there's the unpleasant fact of what going to the bathroom entailed; afterall, a guy in armor couldn't really remove it himself. So some poor bastard had the job of cleaning out the armor after the fact.
Put Ben in a suit of armor, he'd probably have it rusted out by the day's end.
But seriously, where would anyone find a suit of armor like that outside of fairs. And why take the risk of going to look for one...
It seems kinda redundant, it wouldn't take that much to make yourself more or less bite-proof; even boiled leather would be more than enough and it's a lot easier to make.
It seems kinda redundant, it wouldn't take that much to make yourself more or less bite-proof; even boiled leather would be more than enough and it's a lot easier to make.
How about one of those suits the police wear when training their attack dogs? Might be easier to find than a suit of armor.
How about one of those suits the police wear when training their attack dogs? Might be easier to find than a suit of armor.
That seems like it would also restrict movement, and I'd assume that the police keep those in locked areas of the station. It might not be as hard to find, but it seems like it would be harder to get to if that were the case. And I can't see that being much more maneuverable than a suit of armor, at least not to an acceptable degree.
I used to hate the fact that Lilly was not the only from the comic, but as time went by it donned on me that it means Lilly can come back and be killed, so now I like the fact the novel was changed.
I used to hate the fact that Lilly was not the only from the comic, but as time went by it donned on me that it means Lilly can come back and be killed, so now I like the fact the novel was changed.
Is that really means smth for you? I thought that you didn't read comics.
I used to hate the fact that Lilly was not the only from the comic, but as time went by it donned on me that it means Lilly can come back and be killed, so now I like the fact the novel was changed.
I agree. My initial thought when I learned of the change was, "Aw, that kind of sucks, it's not comic Lilly after all.". But really, Lilly was only in the comics for a couple of panels with barely any lines, anyway, so it's not unrealistic to say these are two different Lilly's. There was nothing in the game that definitively defined game Lilly as comic Lilly, other than the first name. It'd be a problem if they tried to do that with, say, Glenn or Hershel. And now that we know it's a different Lilly, that means her fate is undetermined, and we just might see her again in season 2.
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Maybe already mentioned, but one of the comments mentions Lilly being on that page. So yeah, they edited it.
Honestly I don't really like it that much.
You got me there... though I'd think a full suit of armour would be excellent protection against walkers. No rotting, decaying teeth are going to be biting through that. Maybe it would be a bad idea if they all piled on top of you and you couldn't move, but that's why they're a group.
I personally love the Medieval era, and would totally charge down a walker with a lance on a horse any day.
That kind of armor, REAL armor, is incredibly heavy.
You'd get weighed down in a horde and die of dehydration in a few days... assuming you didn't pass out somewhere from exhaustion while trying to get from point A to point B while wearing it.
And heaven help you it you fell over..... lol
Well, that's why i mentioned groups. You'd be the front line warrior, the "wall" that holds off the walkers, and if you fall over or get overwhelmed by too many enemies then your allies(that are a safe distance away) shoot them off you and help you back up. It's not like you need strategy of any kind to combat them, so with full protection on your body there's a lot of room for mistakes(unless you're alone).
Yeah yeah, it's certainly not the best plan around. But you know what....i bet
Let's also not forget that all that metal on metal noise you'd have when moving....
It's good in theory, but not in practice.
You know, if you were really serious about medieval protection - you'd be better served with chainmail and some thick cloth underneath it. Gloves of some kind, of course and a gorget or something around the neck to avoid "blunt bite" trauma to your soft parts.
When I read the comics I saw her as a normal woman who was deceived by the Governor into believing that she was protecting her community from dangerous people. I didn't see her as being a member of the Governor's army or elite group who knew his wicked plans. So for me, seeing how Kirkman portrayed Lilly in the book fitted the way I perceived her character from the comics far more than how she came across in the game.
I never saw Lilly as crazy, paranoid or wicked in the comics. In fact I see a lot of similarities in how Andrea in the TV show was deceived by the Governor into fighting against Rick's people under the cover of smoke and how Lilly was manipulated by the Governor without the knowledge of the truth.
Depends on the climate, in a place like Georgia where heat injuries are already pretty common during the summer, packing yourself into a 50 lbs. steel oven doesn't strike me as a particularly good idea. Even guys that were used to wearing the stuff in England would sometimes have to raise their visors just to breathe in the stuff while going uphill (which nearly resulted in the death of Henry V when he got an arrow to the face).
And while not necessarily detrimental to immediate survival, there's the unpleasant fact of what going to the bathroom entailed; afterall, a guy in armor couldn't really remove it himself. So some poor bastard had the job of cleaning out the armor after the fact.
But seriously, where would anyone find a suit of armor like that outside of fairs. And why take the risk of going to look for one...
It seems kinda redundant, it wouldn't take that much to make yourself more or less bite-proof; even boiled leather would be more than enough and it's a lot easier to make.
How about one of those suits the police wear when training their attack dogs? Might be easier to find than a suit of armor.
That seems like it would also restrict movement, and I'd assume that the police keep those in locked areas of the station. It might not be as hard to find, but it seems like it would be harder to get to if that were the case. And I can't see that being much more maneuverable than a suit of armor, at least not to an acceptable degree.
Is that really means smth for you? I thought that you didn't read comics.
I have read comics in general and read the Walking Dead comics up to issue 101.
Never mind. I just mistaken.
I agree. My initial thought when I learned of the change was, "Aw, that kind of sucks, it's not comic Lilly after all.". But really, Lilly was only in the comics for a couple of panels with barely any lines, anyway, so it's not unrealistic to say these are two different Lilly's. There was nothing in the game that definitively defined game Lilly as comic Lilly, other than the first name. It'd be a problem if they tried to do that with, say, Glenn or Hershel. And now that we know it's a different Lilly, that means her fate is undetermined, and we just might see her again in season 2.
It's not, but it should be. Kirkman really blew it.
Umm, compadre, this discussion died 1.5 years ago. Don't necropost.
mmmmm its not the same lily
In 2016 i wi read the comment I posted here.