Is Clementine "Good"?Is anyone? (Season 2)
To be honest, the term "good" is a vague term. "Good" is somewhat a word that we use when a person is beneficial to us. Kenny to Clementine is a good person, but everyone else view him as a villain.
The Howes group,asides Carver, probably viewed the Clem's group as threat or "bad guys" in there eyes, for destroying their community. The herd plan probably inadvertently killed innocent people in the Howes community that never wronged her. In a way, Clementines group is somewhat a bad group to the innocent Howes people.
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There is no good or bad, it's all just grey. There is however moral choices and immoral choices, and we decide what road she will take. Morality is also something up for debate as the views of moral and immoral change for each person. I think my Clem is moral but she does make immoral decisions sometimes.
In that sense, Mark was really really good to the St. John brothers.
that's funny.:) But mark is from season 1. Jane was really good to Luke.;)
The moral greys of this Season weren't really explored that well.
There was room for Carver's community to be not entirely evil, but we never got to interact with a likable person who was loyal to the community - Bonnie is a weak-willed traitor, Reggie is a failure of a traitor whose loyalty to Carver is punished by Carver killing him, and Troy is just pathetic. Nobody in the story hesitates with the moral wrongness of getting dozens of possibly innocent people killed in the process of escaping.
The Russians also could have been more sympathetic, but they get killed off seconds after we meet them and we never learn who the hell Arvo is.
Point being, Clementine can still remain a 'good' person even though the sloppy writing can inadvertently make her unpleasant at times.
So. We ALL are the bad Guys?
Bad guys are cool.
My Clementine is a survivalist at heart. Take that as you will.
She won't die like Sarah did, she'll fight 'till the day she dies... and she'll do it alone if she has too.
What way did Sarah die for you?
Mourning over her recently deceased father killed right in front of her and left by her best friends for dead and ripped apart while screaming for help?
OR
Trapped under wooden posts and screaming for help and being devoured while everyone watched?
So she won't have a stupid, physics-defying, totally random accidental death? Or she won't inexplicably get stuck in a fence off-screen?
Both. Sarah was a dead (girl) walking the moment her dad died.
The cabin group didn't give a shit about her well-being and as we learned Sarah was too far gone to be brought back by sympathy.
Both isn't a proper answer to this.
Clemetine is good but I prefer oranges.
Ooh, it still hurts and makes me angry when I think of that.
Yes it is.
Sarah died for shit, nada, nothing, zip. Her death didn't mean shit, just like her existence. And knowing that sucks but (my) Clementine learned that life's value is ultimately worthless. So she'll flail and fight and survive until her existence is cut-off.
And she'll see that she has no cause to wind up the way Sarah did. Completely lost.
That's not what I'm asking though, I just want to know which Sarah death you got, it isn't that hard to answer.
Nah, no one's really 'good' anymore, despite how people tend to see these characters as black and white. Maybe not even to begin with because it's all just a matter of perspective when it comes down to it.
Edit: Changed my mind. Everyone in Amid The Ruins didn't give a crap about Sarah.
The Sarah death I "got" to witness was her trapped underneath the deck, crying for salvation as the people she thought cared for her watched as she had the flesh from her body devoured.
Okay, that's all I wanted, thank you.
Sure he did.
Was that before of after he was screaming at her or when he was content to just leave Sarah behind to be ripped apart by a pack of walkers because his "poor ribs were too sore to help Sarah." Oh, but he could screw Jane all day without missing a beat, couldn't he?
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It's unfortunate, but that's the way it is.
Honestly, I'm not very good at expressing my opinion, which is why I use cold hard facts to try and show my viewpoint. But I'll try.
No one in this universe, real or in TWD, is morally sound. Humans will all make mistakes, ones we regret and ones we don't. Which is one of the reasons I try to give everyone the benefit of doubt. Too many times have I seen people judged based on one action, as if that completely defines them. However, we're all complex with different layers and personalities we don't always show to people. It's one of the reasons I don't just go telling people that I hate someone because they wronged me in some way, it's why I try to find the reason for it.
A lot of times people judge the action and not the situation and how it eventually got to that point. This is where we hit the morally grey aspect. Yeah, you might have done something wrong, or even horrible, but were you wrong in doing so? And if you were wrong, can you admit it to yourself? And if you can, can you beg for forgiveness or forgive yourself?
That's what I try to judge on. The reasoning, logic and buildup to an action and the aftermath, not the action itself.
Good, bad. They're both based on opinion. imo
I think, at least for the world she lives in, she's good...she still has her humanity (mostly) and is compassionate and kind. She's doing a lot better than she could be.
No such thing as good or bad, Black or white.
It's more immoral and moral based on your personal opinion. All the lines are blurred to me.
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