Once the fight was heated like that, there's no turning back. Fuck the truth at that point, he has to get beat down. She dies over it, she proves her point. Even if she said anything, I doubt he'd stop. Anger gets the best of most of us.
The real question that we need to ask ourself is why did she not reveal that AJ was fine when she was about to lose the fight. I think she wanted to push Clem to kill Kenny
Well, I'll be honest, when it came to Jane's turn to write it out I couldn't be bothered really. But I did briefly say it and I'm still not bothered to put it into full detail.
You didn't make any case why Jane "needed" to die; just "I don't like Jane so fuck it" basically. Now that's cool, and your opinion, but to … moresay "Hear me out", as if you were going to say something that proved that Jane needed to die and just say that...lol.
I mean, she say that he's fine, Kenny lost his anger and stop fighting, then Jane show us AJ and we tell that she is a crazy bitch and we leave her there.
Nope, she didn't, because Kenny had already proved her right: He was going psycho, and to keep him with them could endanger their lives.
… moreSo yeah, she tells him it was all ploy, and that AJ is alright, are they supposed to still travel with this man? The man just just tried to kill someone over a supposed accident (which was very plausible given they were in a blizzard with walker about, and she was carrying a newborn)? No, they shouldn't.
The moment Kenny proved that he was willing to senselessly kill to let out his frustrations (along with the fact that he simply refuses to work well in groups), he became expendable. Yes, the ZA fucked up his mind, but that can't be helped.
Is killing ever right ? If you had ask if Kenny had right to hate Jane, then i would say yes. She was willing to put just born baby life in danger, just to prove a point (and just when i was starting like her -_- ) ? I dont think either them had really good reason to kill each other (they merely didnt like each other).
For that note; i would rather let Jane live then Kenny, because Kenny was already broken in heart and mind. He was becoming more dangerous by the moment and i am pretty sure he would try to harm Clementine in the future, also didnt want him to suffer no more (poor guy).
Oh so the crazy one isn't the guy who just tried to commit murder because he was mad over what was (to his knowledge) an accident? The same guy who fractured their group? The same guy who could've got people killed with his stupid escape "plan" at the beginning of ep 3? The same guy who got Walter killed because he fired into a hostage situation without thinking?
Yeah, good luck surviving the ZA, and protecting a newborn, with him.
I mean, she say that he's fine, Kenny lost his anger and stop fighting, then Jane show us AJ and we tell that she is a crazy bitch and we leave her there.
Uh huh. Well it appears after further examination I was in fact in fact wrong. It seemed like my love for Kenny has blinded me. Kenny had absolutely no right to kill Jane. He was willing to kill someone over a mistake without any prior knowledge of the incident. Which in fact shows his insanity at that moment and was no better than Lilly and Carver. At the end of the day, both are fucking insane mentally and emotionally disturbed people that a little girl and a baby boy shouldn't have in their lives. Better to kill them both.
I wouldn't say it was that cut in dry. Once Jane pulls out the knife, she chose that ending. She isn't exactly innocent in this. When your fighting for your life, you will do anything to survive, including kill someone. Kenny had every right to murder Jane in that moment, she pulled a knife on him which escalated the violence.
Uh huh. Well it appears after further examination I was in fact in fact wrong. It seemed like my love for Kenny has blinded me. Kenny had ab… moresolutely no right to kill Jane. He was willing to kill someone over a mistake without any prior knowledge of the incident. Which in fact shows his insanity at that moment and was no better than Lilly and Carver. At the end of the day, both are fucking insane mentally and emotionally disturbed people that a little girl and a baby boy shouldn't have in their lives. Better to kill them both.
Oh so the crazy one isn't the guy who just tried to commit murder because he was mad over what was (to his knowledge) an accident? The same … moreguy who fractured their group? The same guy who could've got people killed with his stupid escape "plan" at the beginning of ep 3? The same guy who got Walter killed because he fired into a hostage situation without thinking?
Yeah, good luck surviving the ZA, and protecting a newborn, with him.
* "tried to commit murder because he was mad over what was (to his knowledge) an accident?"
* Common we could saw Jane lying face from mile… mores!
* " who fractured their group? "
* So Mike and Bonnie were doing the right thing?
* "his stupid escape "plan" at the beginning of ep 3?"
* Using a horde was a brilliant idea, he was just too impatient to wait a good opportunity.
* "who got Walter killed because he fired into a hostage situation without thinking?"
* And what would you do in a hostage situation, he did what he could do to save us, Walter death is Carver's fault!
He was willing to kill her even before she used lethal force. Jane defended herself. Not saying Jane is innocent in this either. She played with fire and got the consequence.
Kenny had absolutely no right to kill Jane.
I wouldn't say it was that cut in dry. Once Jane pulls out the knife, she chose that end… moreing. She isn't exactly innocent in this. When your fighting for your life, you will do anything to survive, including kill someone. Kenny had every right to murder Jane in that moment, she pulled a knife on him which escalated the violence.
She sheathed the knife and backed away first; she wanted him to initiated the fight, as that would've proved her right...and he did. So yeah, she's not innocent, but she didn't start the fight; that doesn't help her cause in Clem.
Kenny had absolutely no right to kill Jane.
I wouldn't say it was that cut in dry. Once Jane pulls out the knife, she chose that end… moreing. She isn't exactly innocent in this. When your fighting for your life, you will do anything to survive, including kill someone. Kenny had every right to murder Jane in that moment, she pulled a knife on him which escalated the violence.
1) Yes Clem could see she was lying...after her demeanor changed when Kenny temporarily left the build.
2) there weren't right to leave a preteen and a newborn without any supplies, but they were right to leave the angry psycho man who yelled at and beat on those he didn't like.
3) I was talking about the beginning of ep 3, where he was gonna charge at their automatic gun wielding captors the moment the open the delivery truck; if they were to fire in self-defense/surprise then he and others could've died. With the horde, Kenny doesn't even know how to travel thru hordes, and Clem (due bad writing) didn't remember until Jane brought it up. He doesn't think things thru AT ALL.
4) Carver had the advantage, and hostages, that included children, a pregnant lady and his new lady friend, yet he fired into that not knowing how these people were; if Carver killed Sarita, Kenny would've been devastated.
Kenny doesn't think things thru at all, and puts people's lives in danger many times.
* "tried to commit murder because he was mad over what was (to his knowledge) an accident?"
* Common we could saw Jane lying face from mile… mores!
* " who fractured their group? "
* So Mike and Bonnie were doing the right thing?
* "his stupid escape "plan" at the beginning of ep 3?"
* Using a horde was a brilliant idea, he was just too impatient to wait a good opportunity.
* "who got Walter killed because he fired into a hostage situation without thinking?"
* And what would you do in a hostage situation, he did what he could do to save us, Walter death is Carver's fault!
She sheathed the knife and backed away first; she wanted him to initiated the fight, as that would've proved her right...and he did. So yeah, she's not innocent, but she didn't start the fight; that doesn't help her cause in Clem.
1) Yes Clem could see she was lying...after her demeanor changed when Kenny temporarily left the build.
2) there weren't right to leave a… more preteen and a newborn without any supplies, but they were right to leave the angry psycho man who yelled at and beat on those he didn't like.
3) I was talking about the beginning of ep 3, where he was gonna charge at their automatic gun wielding captors the moment the open the delivery truck; if they were to fire in self-defense/surprise then he and others could've died. With the horde, Kenny doesn't even know how to travel thru hordes, and Clem (due bad writing) didn't remember until Jane brought it up. He doesn't think things thru AT ALL.
4) Carver had the advantage, and hostages, that included children, a pregnant lady and his new lady friend, yet he fired into that not knowing how these people were; if Carver killed Sarita, Kenny would've been devastated.
Kenny doesn't think things thru at all, and puts people's lives in danger many times.
1) Yes Clem could see she was lying...after her demeanor changed when Kenny temporarily left the build.
2) there weren't right to leave a… more preteen and a newborn without any supplies, but they were right to leave the angry psycho man who yelled at and beat on those he didn't like.
3) I was talking about the beginning of ep 3, where he was gonna charge at their automatic gun wielding captors the moment the open the delivery truck; if they were to fire in self-defense/surprise then he and others could've died. With the horde, Kenny doesn't even know how to travel thru hordes, and Clem (due bad writing) didn't remember until Jane brought it up. He doesn't think things thru AT ALL.
4) Carver had the advantage, and hostages, that included children, a pregnant lady and his new lady friend, yet he fired into that not knowing how these people were; if Carver killed Sarita, Kenny would've been devastated.
Kenny doesn't think things thru at all, and puts people's lives in danger many times.
He was willing to kill her even before she used lethal force. Jane defended herself. Not saying Jane is innocent in this either. She played with fire and got the consequence.
EDIT: After replaying the fight again it appears you were wrong. After Jane started whaling on Kenny, if you don't intervene he will say "You're Fucking Dead!". Now keep in mind this was before Jane had used lethal force. Kenny was going to kill her regardless. This is not speculation.
He was willing to kill her even before she used lethal force
We don't know that for sure. Its speculation.
Jane defended hers… moreelf.
Jane pulled out a knife, that means its on.
But like you said both had mental problems and probably won't be in S3 so it doesn't matter.
I hate Jane
But there was no real reason to kill her.
He could have abandoned her , if it was Mike who was up to kill her i would probably have killed Mike.
But i will nerver kill Kenny as long as he won`t hurt me ,because Kenny is a good guy in his heard!
Stop it. Jane was also trying to kill Kenny. ( The determinant '' go, run! '' shows this ), but he was not right either, depending of your morals. The right thing? Abandon him, or shot Kenny and abandon Jane. You have the option, then... make what you want .-.
Mind to clarify what I said was "not what you meant?"
Cause your arguments are usually very flimsy, saying Kenny is nullified from any consequence because he "wasn't in control of his actions" is laughably bad and juvenile at best.
I'm a "Jane fan" then, cool. I ended up with the alone ending, but I'm a "Jane fan." Remember when I was talking about your arguments being flimsy?
When did I say Kenny was "nullified from any consequence?"
He was completely in the wrong, but his mind was so far gone, there was simply no way to prevent Kenny from taking Jane's life without killing him outright.
Sounds like you have a problem accepting when something's gone too far, you know Kenny was in the wrong yet just stood idly by and allowed him to murder a woman that he deemed dangerous, not to the survival of Clementine, but to his own inabilities. Remember when I was talking about your arguments being flimsy?
but it was my preference
So then your choice wasn't based on "justice" it was based on you wanting to have Kenny in the plot longer. Remember when I... ah, you get it.
What exactly did Jane do wrong? The baby is fucking worthless in an apocalypse except maybe as food in a pinch.
She risked sacrificing that useless thing to engineer a situation that might, potentially (albeit indirectly), save the life of a relatively resourceful girl that actually has a figthing chance by teaching her an important lesson about some of the remaining people.
For the record, I was actually ANGRY at Telltale for never giving me the option to toss the baby in a ditch myself, blame it on someone and move on unhindered by the living burden.
And, also, for not giving me the option to keep my gun in hand at all times (oh, you forgot to take it into the stall! Too bad! No, i didn't I was that coming and you did not give me a fucking prompt) and just shoot on sight or run from people as my first response to everything.
No Ben and his buddies (I tried to chop the tree KNOWING I would fail because I wanted to leave them ALL BEHIND; and my first instinct upon seeing the dead body in the camp was to wonder if we could eat it) No cannibal brothers, No Lily going nuts because at that point she's alreeady been forfed a serving of lead, no Omid dying, no annoying survivor group of very dubious help after the dog scene, no Bonnie coming back after sizing us up, no Carverland because I DON'T SEEK KENNY, I RUN FOR DEAR LIFE AND LEAVE EVERYONE, no FUCKING ARVO (seriously, I wanted to knock him out and start eating him part by part on our first encounter but, no, he walks INVARIABLY)... sigh
I've ended up hating this series. It forces me to be TOO FUCKING NICE.
Heck, the first forced choice is to take Clem and at no point you can leave her to her own fate.
That annoyed me all the way through season one.
I never wanted a kid. If anything, in what's almost an extinction event, a kid that's not my own is my food or my sextoy.
I don't understand something here.
What exactly did Jane do wrong?
The baby is fucking worthless in an apocalypse except maybe as food i… moren a pinch.
She risked sacrificing that useless thing to engineer a situation that might, potentially (albeit indirectly), save the life of a relatively resourceful girl that actually has a figthing chance by teaching her an important lesson about some of the remaining people.
For the record, I was actually ANGRY at Telltale for never giving me the option to toss the baby in a ditch myself, blame it on someone and move on unhindered by the living burden.
And, also, for not giving me the option to keep my gun in hand at all times (oh, you forgot to take it into the stall! Too bad! No, i didn't I was that coming and you did not give me a fucking prompt) and just shoot on sight or run from people as my first response to everything.
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Jane didn't belong in this story so yeah.
"What? Fuck no!"-Eddie
Wasn't his call.
He was right.
Once the fight was heated like that, there's no turning back. Fuck the truth at that point, he has to get beat down. She dies over it, she proves her point. Even if she said anything, I doubt he'd stop. Anger gets the best of most of us.
No.
Well, I'll be honest, when it came to Jane's turn to write it out I couldn't be bothered really. But I did briefly say it and I'm still not bothered to put it into full detail.
I didn't justify it. I explained it. There's a difference between the two.
Well, he was trying to do that.
Then either Clementine intervenes, or Jane knees him in the grapes.
Is that possible? Can she actually do that?
One of the Jane's victim list is:
Herself (Indirectly Caused, Determinant)
She pretty much killed herself, if she tried to stop Kenny by saying AJ was fine however, but Jane would rather die than telling the truth.
Yep.
I mean, she say that he's fine, Kenny lost his anger and stop fighting, then Jane show us AJ and we tell that she is a crazy bitch and we leave her there.
Sure it is fine to let him kill her just tell your self it is okay to murder because you are angry.
you ARE kenny tho... isnt this cheating? XP
I like this, funny.
Is killing ever right ? If you had ask if Kenny had right to hate Jane, then i would say yes. She was willing to put just born baby life in danger, just to prove a point (and just when i was starting like her -_- ) ? I dont think either them had really good reason to kill each other (they merely didnt like each other).
For that note; i would rather let Jane live then Kenny, because Kenny was already broken in heart and mind. He was becoming more dangerous by the moment and i am pretty sure he would try to harm Clementine in the future, also didnt want him to suffer no more (poor guy).
There is no valid reason for those two to kill each other. Both were morons and poor clementine has to put up with their stupidity.
Oh so the crazy one isn't the guy who just tried to commit murder because he was mad over what was (to his knowledge) an accident? The same guy who fractured their group? The same guy who could've got people killed with his stupid escape "plan" at the beginning of ep 3? The same guy who got Walter killed because he fired into a hostage situation without thinking?
Yeah, good luck surviving the ZA, and protecting a newborn, with him.
Uh huh. Well it appears after further examination I was in fact in fact wrong. It seemed like my love for Kenny has blinded me. Kenny had absolutely no right to kill Jane. He was willing to kill someone over a mistake without any prior knowledge of the incident. Which in fact shows his insanity at that moment and was no better than Lilly and Carver. At the end of the day, both are fucking insane mentally and emotionally disturbed people that a little girl and a baby boy shouldn't have in their lives. Better to kill them both.
I wouldn't say it was that cut in dry. Once Jane pulls out the knife, she chose that ending. She isn't exactly innocent in this. When your fighting for your life, you will do anything to survive, including kill someone. Kenny had every right to murder Jane in that moment, she pulled a knife on him which escalated the violence.
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He was willing to kill her even before she used lethal force. Jane defended herself. Not saying Jane is innocent in this either. She played with fire and got the consequence.
She sheathed the knife and backed away first; she wanted him to initiated the fight, as that would've proved her right...and he did. So yeah, she's not innocent, but she didn't start the fight; that doesn't help her cause in Clem.
1) Yes Clem could see she was lying...after her demeanor changed when Kenny temporarily left the build.
2) there weren't right to leave a preteen and a newborn without any supplies, but they were right to leave the angry psycho man who yelled at and beat on those he didn't like.
3) I was talking about the beginning of ep 3, where he was gonna charge at their automatic gun wielding captors the moment the open the delivery truck; if they were to fire in self-defense/surprise then he and others could've died. With the horde, Kenny doesn't even know how to travel thru hordes, and Clem (due bad writing) didn't remember until Jane brought it up. He doesn't think things thru AT ALL.
4) Carver had the advantage, and hostages, that included children, a pregnant lady and his new lady friend, yet he fired into that not knowing how these people were; if Carver killed Sarita, Kenny would've been devastated.
Kenny doesn't think things thru at all, and puts people's lives in danger many times.
Correct.
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"puts people's lives in danger many times."Like many other people in the game, we can't always do the good choices.
We don't know that for sure. Its speculation.
Jane pulled out a knife, that means its on.
But like you said both had mental problems and probably won't be in S3 so it doesn't matter.
EDIT: After replaying the fight again it appears you were wrong. After Jane started whaling on Kenny, if you don't intervene he will say "You're Fucking Dead!". Now keep in mind this was before Jane had used lethal force. Kenny was going to kill her regardless. This is not speculation.
I hate Jane
But there was no real reason to kill her.
He could have abandoned her , if it was Mike who was up to kill her i would probably have killed Mike.
But i will nerver kill Kenny as long as he won`t hurt me ,because Kenny is a good guy in his heard!
And? Does that make what I said false? No, it doesn't.
Again, Jane is not an innocent party here, but she was right about Kenny.
I accept ending only with Kenny, and of course he's right to kill Jane.
Stop it. Jane was also trying to kill Kenny. ( The determinant '' go, run! '' shows this ), but he was not right either, depending of your morals. The right thing? Abandon him, or shot Kenny and abandon Jane. You have the option, then... make what you want .-.
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I'm a "Jane fan" then, cool. I ended up with the alone ending, but I'm a "Jane fan." Remember when I was talking about your arguments being flimsy?
Sounds like you have a problem accepting when something's gone too far, you know Kenny was in the wrong yet just stood idly by and allowed him to murder a woman that he deemed dangerous, not to the survival of Clementine, but to his own inabilities. Remember when I was talking about your arguments being flimsy?
So then your choice wasn't based on "justice" it was based on you wanting to have Kenny in the plot longer. Remember when I... ah, you get it.
Uh no he wasn't because I killed Kenny XD
KENNY DID NOT KILL JANE
YOU the player let him do it. If you did not shoot Kenny or if you did nothing (let the timer expire) then it was YOU that allowed it to happen!
So the question of this topic should have been, "Should I have let Kenny kill Jane"
I don't understand something here.
What exactly did Jane do wrong?
The baby is fucking worthless in an apocalypse except maybe as food in a pinch.
She risked sacrificing that useless thing to engineer a situation that might, potentially (albeit indirectly), save the life of a relatively resourceful girl that actually has a figthing chance by teaching her an important lesson about some of the remaining people.
For the record, I was actually ANGRY at Telltale for never giving me the option to toss the baby in a ditch myself, blame it on someone and move on unhindered by the living burden.
And, also, for not giving me the option to keep my gun in hand at all times (oh, you forgot to take it into the stall! Too bad! No, i didn't I was that coming and you did not give me a fucking prompt) and just shoot on sight or run from people as my first response to everything.
No Ben and his buddies (I tried to chop the tree KNOWING I would fail because I wanted to leave them ALL BEHIND; and my first instinct upon seeing the dead body in the camp was to wonder if we could eat it) No cannibal brothers, No Lily going nuts because at that point she's alreeady been forfed a serving of lead, no Omid dying, no annoying survivor group of very dubious help after the dog scene, no Bonnie coming back after sizing us up, no Carverland because I DON'T SEEK KENNY, I RUN FOR DEAR LIFE AND LEAVE EVERYONE, no FUCKING ARVO (seriously, I wanted to knock him out and start eating him part by part on our first encounter but, no, he walks INVARIABLY)... sigh
I've ended up hating this series. It forces me to be TOO FUCKING NICE.
Heck, the first forced choice is to take Clem and at no point you can leave her to her own fate.
That annoyed me all the way through season one.
I never wanted a kid. If anything, in what's almost an extinction event, a kid that's not my own is my food or my sextoy.
Hmm...thou dost tryth to hard to be...edgy.