Jane Could Have Been Replaced With Molly
So, this thread is about why instead of creating the character of Jane, they should have just used Molly.
First, let's start with how Jane and Molly are interchangeable:
- Molly could have been in Carver's Camp instead of Jane.
- When discussing the plan to escape Carver's camp, Molly could have proposed the plan to draw walkers using the PDA system.
- When leaving the camp, Molly could have used Hilda to slice open the walker and put the guts on herself.
- Molly could have used the cow-catcher idea as her own. That's how she got out of the walker infested savannah.
- Instead of a 30 minute conversation with Jane about her sister, we could fill that time with Molly by talking about what happened to them after they went their separate ways. Clementine: "I uh... I ran away. Lee said that we didn't have enough time to find my parents and... I couldn't bare leaving the city without knowing if they were alive or dead... or whatever they were. I needed to know. And it got everyone killed. Including Lee..." Molly: "After I left you guys/After I got out of Crawford I didn't know what to do. I was alone, which I was used to, but... it felt different after actually not being alone. I wandered around Savannah like I'd always done but then one day it just became swarmed. Everywhere I turned, there were more of them. So, after killing enough of them, I was covered in their blood. They stopped noticing me. That's how I got out. And it's how I've travelled ever since."
- Molly could teach you the kicking technique "I know Lee would have wanted you to be a little badass so... here's a trick for killing them."
- Molly could have had sex with Luke.
- Molly could have left at the end repeating that "It was nice, being with old faces again. But after what happened today, I remember why I left you in the first place... I can't watch more people die. I just can't. I'm sorry, Clementine. But, you'll be fine... You'll be better than fine. Lee did a good job with you."
- Molly could save us in the last episode and feel bad about killing that Russian.
- Molly's hatred of Kenny would already be there from the 1st Season and she could share the worry that he's "losing it."
- Molly could be persuaded over to the fire.
- Molly could have argued with Kenny in the car 'You're just a loud-mouthed, redneck, hypocrite who only like people that do what you say! That's why you hate me so much. I'm not as submissive as you'd like me to be."
- Molly could have left the baby in the car to get Kenny to attack her and they could have fought.
I feel like this would have been better than a whole new character because the love for Kenny and Molly would have been equal due to them both being in Season One. AND, there would be no criticism of Jane being to similar to Molly because she is Molly. Personally, I just feel like Molly was kind of a random character and it would have made a lot of sense to bring her back. What do you guys think?
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Though it would be better, it would be stupid for them to bring back ANOTHER character who really had zero to none chances of escaping Savannah.
I would have liked that better.
I've got a love/hate thing about Jane, mostly just with how they handled her and rewrote her to be less tough and more softie [and other bitter reasons >.<] but I think if it'd been Molly, I would've felt less forced into that decision at the end. Molly would've worked better in that role than Jane.
I definitely could have done without all the Jane sister talk but other than that I like Jane more than Molly. It is her attitude. I think I am in the minority on that.
Unlikely, but I like it. But I'm pretty sure Molly could beat the shit out of Kenny easily in the fight scene. But I like Jane a lot more, she seems more human to me.
I hated Jane and her attitude, Molly was a lot more... Relatable.
Edit: Maybe relatable isn't the best word to use...
That would have been awesome but Molly or Kenny would have been way harder then Kenny or Jane for me.
yeah Molly is hotter plus the fight would have been more fun since Kenny is an expierenced fighter too now
Molly seemed more up if that makes sense. Less of a dark personality than Jane.
I feel like Molly wouldn't have done some things. She knows Clementine, and would have faith in her knowing of Kenny. Molly wouldn't be ashamed of killing the Russian. Molly would've kicked Kenny's ass and left him if they did get in a fight. She can beat up Lee, is more agile than Jane, and she has a better weapon than everyone else does.
She was more likeable, Molly knew evil because of Crawford and didn't want to become them...Jane...Jane had the Crawford mentality.
Im not sure if Molly can beat up Kenny because you saw it your self he gets a fucking huge cut in the stomach and just continues fighting
I totally would have gone with Molly if she was in the choice but since she wasn't in it I would rather leave Jane and Kenny
Same shit, different face.
Dem Chucks
I hate both Jane and Molly (Jane moreso after ep. 5), but even I would've preferred this any day.
I agree that Molly would've been great to have in episodes 3-5 in Season 2, but I don't think Molly would put AJ in a car for any reason. Certainly not to prove a point.
Lets not turn Molly into Jane. I like Molly for Molly. She is someone i could run with, and feel comfortable about falling asleep. I wouldn't worry about her killing me in my sleep like Jane. The only thing i support is that Molly should sex up Luke. They would make a cute couple.
There's certainly a lot of overlap between them, but also some important differences too. Molly as a character never felt right with me for instance, her whole "one-man-machine, lone-wolf, ninja-skills" thing was way too cartoony and out of place, almost like a product of teen focus testing. Jane felt human.
I think that would've worked out better but than again i would have hard time deciding who to save at the end, this one was pretty easy.
Yet with Hilda, Molly would've gutted him.
Agreed
And would have a badass baby.
I read the title and thought this idea was kind of stupid, but then I read all your points, and I agree. I definatley think her hate for Kenny would've made much more sense with Molly instead of Jane. although I really liked jane, it wouldve been better for telltale to use Molly in replacement of Jane. Also, if they did this, I can see how people would be complaining how Clem reunited with Kenny and Molly, but if you put it in perspective, it's smarter.
Oh yes! How I would have preferred this. It would have helped to a much better season.
Every point you make is a valid one, and could have been done by Molly, instead of creating a carbon copy of her. It would have provided a much, much harder choice at the end, should you have to choose between them, and it would have been more interesting.
Molly was one of those characters I instantly liked, whereas with Jane, I never felt a bond - she just felt like Molly 2.0.
Molly would know your past, helping to reference Lee more, and would actually care for you from the start. It would increase rivalry between Kenny and Molly, which could make for an interesting storyline.
How much more I would have enjoyed this season if this were the story. Molly > Jane.
She could have been. But I'm glad she was not. Jane is a much more interesting character than Molly.
I dont think Molly would work in a final fight with Kenny, She cares so much for children for just abandon a Baby and provocate a fight with him. Jane was the best option for the fight
Yeah, sorry, but no. I like Molly, but Jane was a more interesting character. I'd say, let her replace Bonnie.
Too be honest tho, I'm surprised that she wasn't in on the "steal the boat" plan with Vernon. I always thought that that would've been a great follow-up to her sudden, and suspicious, rejection of Lee's offer, after she, you know, almost died trying to fix said boat. That, in my opinion, makes her not a very smart person. If she did steal the boat, then maybe we would've saw her in 400 Days, or part of Carver's group.
Jane, while cold and manipulative, knows that (despite her words) she needs others to survive, or at least act as shields so she can survive; that's why, despite her talking down of groups, she's been in many (but leaves just as the group moral starts to dissolve). Honestly, that makes her character very realistic, and smart; she's using all she can, including other people, to survive. Also, her abandoning her sister to survive makes for potentially interesting character moments, rather than the usual in Molly's tale of her sacrificing for her sister. Plus the way Jane loses her sister fits more with the theme of simply surviving; Molly's sister's death was more of a society thing, that didn't have much relevance to S2. Yes, Carver looked down on the weak, but he tried to find use for them, while Crawford didn't even allow children.
Yep, she just isn't that kind of person. Even if there weren't children she wouldn't have done something drastic to prove a point and win someone by manipulating them.
Honestly, it sounds out of character for Molly.
I actually agree with this.
The only other possible fights are Kenny vs Mike, Kenny vs Carlos Or Jane vs Carlos. Luke vs Kenny is impossible, Luke can't hit a fly and avoid fights
Molly was badass and caring. Jane was a loner who somewhat cared. I think, in my opinion: Caring Badass>Somewhat caring loner.
Yeah she was because she's more controversial, and more grey than Molly. IMO flawed characters add more to a story. Molly was too clean for my tastes.
Also, did you read the rest of my post? I explained why I'd rather have Jane, but also said that Molly should've/could've replaced Bonnie.
Molly replacing Bonnie? I think its worse. Molly would never f*ck with clementine group, never work with Carver and never (determinant) abandon clementine to Die. Like you said, just if Molly was a bad person who steal our boat and etc.
Just because he tries to avoids fights doesn't mean he can't hurt a fly. Luke wouldn't have any problem taking Kenny out. He's obviously much stronger than him.
Yeah pretty much. If she was in on stealing the boat, then her doing all that shit is plausible, but her not stealing the boat makes her too clean to do any of that.
Still, I like my flawed characters, so I say leave Jane in S2. Maybe she'll be in S3?
I hope Molly returns anyway. Would be cool see her and Jane tag along or something, two badass survivors ( Three with clem XD) Or Molly find Kenny again and they try to work together, even they not trusting each other. Molly can save Clem from the Zombie Horde or meet her in Welington. I like a DLC with Molly as the playable character finding clem. They just need to import your S2 save and put Molly where clem ended