I know, but the point i'm getting across is if say he bumps into a complete stranger in S3 he might say something that would insult an oversensitive person of another race.
Nope, the whole "urban" thing was just him making an assumption based on stereotypes. If he was racist, I highly doubt he would have been as… more friendly as he was to Lee initially.
As for his comments toward the Russians, I think he was just pissed off and automatically resorted to the easiest means to insult them. And as others have pointed out, both of his love interests were foreign.
I know, but the point i'm getting across is if say he bumps into a complete stranger in S3 he might say something that would insult an oversensitive person of another race.
I suspect the reason why the foreigner that Kenneth beats up was Russian rather than Latino (which'd be MUCH more likely in this setting) was that the writers were afraid that Kenneth's bigotry would be a lot more noticeable if 'Arvo' was not white. A white guy beating up a Mexican teenager while yelling racial slurs at him would probably garner a lot more negative attention from audiences, because almost no one wants to accept being a racist.
Yeah, a lot of dumb-ass Americans think that Russians are still communists, but that's of an older generation and Russians are still considered white. Right now, Latino immigrants are much more prevalent in the American consciousness as the current face of immigration, and it'd have made a lot more sense for a gang of Mexicans to have appeared in Tennessee rather than some Russian gangsters straight out of a goofy Tom Clancy novel.
Telltale was too uncomfortable to make Kenneth be blatanty racist, so they made his victim a white guy so that his bigotry would get a 'pass'. IMO that's cowardice.
Racism is ingrained, virtually everyone has it without even being consciously aware of it. Outright displays of hatred are hated, but the more subtle, insidious perspectives are excused.
Was that before or after he offered Lee a lift off the farm? Do you think a racist would do that? What about protecting AJ? Would a racist want to risk his life to protect a child that was half black? What about when Lee was knocked out, and Kenny helped him up when they were escaping the pharmacy? Yeah a really obviously racist. When he's not wearing his hat, he has on his white hood.
I don't think he had bigotry. How would you respond to people jumping you, and trying to kill you? I don't know about you but I'd be pretty damn pissed off at them for a long time. Arvo getting a beating? So fucking what, it's not like he can send him to prison. If he lets him go, he might return to kill them. If he shoots him in the head, it's murder. That's the problem when society breaks down, it's pretty tough to make decisions in that kind of situation.
I suspect the reason why the foreigner that Kenneth beats up was Russian rather than Latino (which'd be MUCH more likely in this setting) wa… mores that the writers were afraid that Kenneth's bigotry would be a lot more noticeable if 'Arvo' was not white. A white guy beating up a Mexican teenager while yelling racial slurs at him would probably garner a lot more negative attention from audiences, because almost no one wants to accept being a racist.
Yeah, a lot of dumb-ass Americans think that Russians are still communists, but that's of an older generation and Russians are still considered white. Right now, Latino immigrants are much more prevalent in the American consciousness as the current face of immigration, and it'd have made a lot more sense for a gang of Mexicans to have appeared in Tennessee rather than some Russian gangsters straight out of a goofy Tom Clancy novel.
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Look Kenny might not judge people for being not white, through he would if a person say something he doesn't agree with, he will just assume that what the person says is nonsense. Example of this is in episode 3 of series 2. Carlos comments "I am pointing out that, regardless of intent, there are consequences to rash actions. something that he seems to be misreading as capitulation." Kenny replies "I dunno what the f**k you are saying, but I know it's bullshit! we have to do something!". the other time when was racist in series 1 was when he "assumed" Lee could lock pick the st. johns barn door. The only other case was with Avro, was when he was push to the edge and just snapped.
Look Kenny is one of those characters, you either liked him or you don't, he is just one of those characters that push morals all the time, testing the player if they like him or hate him. I would say that Kenny isn't completely racist, but he is more then a little racist. He would be in the middle, that is just what I think. Look Kenny fans will defend this character with passion, I am just saying that Kenny is just one of those characters that like him one min and hate him next, then like him again. He likes to test people's morals
Arvo didn't 'jump' or 'try to kill you', that was Buricko the baldy who started the gunfight in the first place. Kenny's anger doesn't even make sense since nobody we knew died - it's a ridiculous overreaction, and truly childish.
He beat up Arvo for standing up to him, and yells all that moronic shit about "Speak American" and calling a teenage boy a slur that went out of date in 1991.
Again, people will excuse all the nastiest shit from characters they love.
I don't think he had bigotry. How would you respond to people jumping you, and trying to kill you? I don't know about you but I'd be prett… morey damn pissed off at them for a long time. Arvo getting a beating? So fucking what, it's not like he can send him to prison. If he lets him go, he might return to kill them. If he shoots him in the head, it's murder. That's the problem when society breaks down, it's pretty tough to make decisions in that kind of situation.
I can't really blame Buricko in that situation, because either Clem or Kenny shot first, even I'd have overreacted and thought they were trying to kill my group.
Arvo didn't 'jump' or 'try to kill you', that was Buricko the baldy who started the gunfight in the first place. Kenny's anger doesn't even… more make sense since nobody we knew died - it's a ridiculous overreaction, and truly childish.
He beat up Arvo for standing up to him, and yells all that moronic shit about "Speak American" and calling a teenage boy a slur that went out of date in 1991.
Again, people will excuse all the nastiest shit from characters they love.
I can't really blame Buricko in that situation, because either Clem or Kenny shot first, even I'd have overreacted and thought they were trying to kill my group.
They shot a woman who seemed alive to them. Apparently the Russians are really bad at telling the living apart from the dead.
Point still stands - from what Arvo tells you and Buricko's own behavior, it's the bald jackass who is really to blame. Yet Kenny, being a child at heart, decides to abuse a skinny disabled kid rather than go on a good ol' fashioned mutilation spree on Buricko's corpse.
Yeah after all Florida doesn't have a huge amount of different types of people. I mean Cubans, blacks, Hispanic... Yeah they don't have any real variety :Insert sarcasm:
Kenny is just about as racist as anyone else in the series, he's just more vocal about what makes him mad obviously.
Katjaa, a Belgian woman whom he married, never said anything rude/insensitive about her.
Lee an African American, a black man, and depending on OUR choices, Kenny will stay with us till the end and call us his best friend and say we are his only family. In the same group was Christa, a African American whom Kenny never said anything about. Kenny saying 'urban' was not insensitive. It's what Kenny was insinuating was insensitive. And we've all been guilty of assuming things about other groups or people of ethnicity.
Clem = AFRICAN AMERICAN / AJ = AFRICAN AMERICAN = Kenny was more than willing to treat them both like his own children. He even offers to sacrifice his own well being for them in the Wellington ending.
Sarita = Indian woman, he loved her.
Arvo = I won't defend all the things Kenny said about Arvo, but when you're that pissed off at someone it doesn't matter what the hell you say to them.
AND ANOTHER THING:
Why does everyone call him racist? Is it because he's a redneck? Is it because when people think Kenny says redneck, he's a gun toting, racist, conservative, bible thumping arrogant ingrate?
Because if so, I have to say, when people assume those things about Kenny simply because of him being a 'redneck' then you are guilty of the very thing you accuse Kenny of doing. So to anyone who calls rednecks all of these above things, get off your damn high horse and quit saying Kenny and rednecks are racist. Not every redneck is racist, but some racists are redneck. THERE YA GO.
Everyone is guilty of racism and prejudice to a degree. So no, Kenny is not racist. Just an extremely pissed off 'redneck'.
Kenny is just about as racist as anyone else in the series, he's just more vocal about what makes him mad obviously.
Katjaa, a Belgian wo… moreman whom he married, never said anything rude/insensitive about her.
Lee an African American, a black man, and depending on OUR choices, Kenny will stay with us till the end and call us his best friend and say we are his only family. In the same group was Christa, a African American whom Kenny never said anything about. Kenny saying 'urban' was not insensitive. It's what Kenny was insinuating was insensitive. And we've all been guilty of assuming things about other groups or people of ethnicity.
Clem = AFRICAN AMERICAN / AJ = AFRICAN AMERICAN = Kenny was more than willing to treat them both like his own children. He even offers to sacrifice his own well being for them in the Wellington ending.
Sarita = Indian woman, he loved her.
Arvo = I won't defend all the things Kenny said about Arvo, but … [view original content]
It's almost kind of sad that this stuff actually needs to be fleshed out for people, but I'm glad you had the patience to say that. Anyone who insists that Kenny is/was racist is seriously not even giving 10 seconds of thought to the matter.
Kenny is just about as racist as anyone else in the series, he's just more vocal about what makes him mad obviously.
Katjaa, a Belgian wo… moreman whom he married, never said anything rude/insensitive about her.
Lee an African American, a black man, and depending on OUR choices, Kenny will stay with us till the end and call us his best friend and say we are his only family. In the same group was Christa, a African American whom Kenny never said anything about. Kenny saying 'urban' was not insensitive. It's what Kenny was insinuating was insensitive. And we've all been guilty of assuming things about other groups or people of ethnicity.
Clem = AFRICAN AMERICAN / AJ = AFRICAN AMERICAN = Kenny was more than willing to treat them both like his own children. He even offers to sacrifice his own well being for them in the Wellington ending.
Sarita = Indian woman, he loved her.
Arvo = I won't defend all the things Kenny said about Arvo, but … [view original content]
I agree, if Kenny were racist I'd admit it, but given how many chances he's had to say racist things about other characters, he just isn't. Besides, we've seen self control is not his strong suit, he had a lot of chances to say shit about Carlos, about Lee, Arvo just got the brunt of his 'prejudice'.
However, if someone didn't like Kenny because themselves and their Lee didn't get along with him, racism is a convenient excuse. (But I can see why they wouldn't like him.) It seems to be an incredibly convenient thing to say nowadays. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but as far as Kenny goes, I don't believe it was an issue.
It's almost kind of sad that this stuff actually needs to be fleshed out for people, but I'm glad you had the patience to say that. Anyone who insists that Kenny is/was racist is seriously not even giving 10 seconds of thought to the matter.
I'm not going to call every northerner a Yankee, I just ask that people not assume all rednecks are just as I described above. Is that too much to ask? And if they are calling Kenny a racist or calling rednecks racist, then they need to realize what they're accusing him off they're guilty themselves.
Kenny is very vocal, and vocal people tend to say the things everyone is thinking, but don't have the balls or the stupidity to say. Kenny is definitely not the smartest, like my momma told me, think before you talk. Kenny could probably benefit from that advice.
Why does everyone call him racist?
Because he called Lee "Urban" and Arvo a "commie bastard."
I agree with your post by the way, I don't think he's racist but he seems very vocal about the things he says.
I only mean that a few of the things Kenny said might cause offence to someone who is oversensitive, by the way you couldn't be more wrong I am not racist and Kenny is a character I like a lot, I also like Daryl from the TV series. I am fond of the majority of Rednecks I have seen on TV and in games.
Kenny is just about as racist as anyone else in the series, he's just more vocal about what makes him mad obviously.
Katjaa, a Belgian wo… moreman whom he married, never said anything rude/insensitive about her.
Lee an African American, a black man, and depending on OUR choices, Kenny will stay with us till the end and call us his best friend and say we are his only family. In the same group was Christa, a African American whom Kenny never said anything about. Kenny saying 'urban' was not insensitive. It's what Kenny was insinuating was insensitive. And we've all been guilty of assuming things about other groups or people of ethnicity.
Clem = AFRICAN AMERICAN / AJ = AFRICAN AMERICAN = Kenny was more than willing to treat them both like his own children. He even offers to sacrifice his own well being for them in the Wellington ending.
Sarita = Indian woman, he loved her.
Arvo = I won't defend all the things Kenny said about Arvo, but … [view original content]
I don't think rednecks are all like that but when you mix a "redneck" with racism, it gets generalized like that. I don't see it that way, but it definitely doesn't help Kenny.
I'm not going to call every northerner a Yankee, I just ask that people not assume all rednecks are just as I described above. Is that too m… moreuch to ask? And if they are calling Kenny a racist or calling rednecks racist, then they need to realize what they're accusing him off they're guilty themselves.
Kenny is very vocal, and vocal people tend to say the things everyone is thinking, but don't have the balls or the stupidity to say. Kenny is definitely not the smartest, like my momma told me, think before you talk. Kenny could probably benefit from that advice.
Sorry, I wasn't trying to call you out on anything. It's just I've seen a lot of posts about Kenny and the whole Racist redneck thing. So, it just pisses me off because people think redneck and racism go hand in hand.
And the reason why some people don't like Kenny is because they don't agree with him on how he's handled things, not because he's a racist redneck. Which he isn't. So people can no longer use the racism card as an excuse to say why they don't like him, they should try to be more constructive about it at the very least for anyone to take them seriously.
And if you're a fan of him and able to recognize that Kenny has said offensive things, that people might consider racist, that means you're in a far better state self awareness, and your character fairness scale is very good. I respect that about you.
I only mean that a few of the things Kenny said might cause offence to someone who is oversensitive, by the way you couldn't be more wrong I… more am not racist and Kenny is a character I like a lot, I also like Daryl from the TV series. I am fond of the majority of Rednecks I have seen on TV and in games.
I don't think rednecks are all like that but when you mix a "redneck" with racism, it gets generalized like that. I don't see it that way, but it definitely doesn't help Kenny.
Thanks man, consider it apology accepted. I know people can be very stereotypical about rednecks, I don't think its right. You sound like a really nice guy.
Sorry, I wasn't trying to call you out on anything. It's just I've seen a lot of posts about Kenny and the whole Racist redneck thing. So, i… moret just pisses me off because people think redneck and racism go hand in hand.
And the reason why some people don't like Kenny is because they don't agree with him on how he's handled things, not because he's a racist redneck. Which he isn't. So people can no longer use the racism card as an excuse to say why they don't like him, they should try to be more constructive about it at the very least for anyone to take them seriously.
And if you're a fan of him and able to recognize that Kenny has said offensive things, that people might consider racist, that means you're in a far better state self awareness, and your character fairness scale is very good. I respect that about you.
Thanks man, consider it apology accepted. I know people can be very stereotypical about rednecks, I don't think its right. You sound like a really nice guy.
Was that before or after he offered Lee a lift off the farm? Do you think a racist would do that? What about protecting AJ? Would a racis… moret want to risk his life to protect a child that was half black? What about when Lee was knocked out, and Kenny helped him up when they were escaping the pharmacy? Yeah a really obviously racist. When he's not wearing his hat, he has on his white hood.
Arvo didn't jump or try to kill the group? So the group wasn't surrounded by armed people, and confronted by Arvo? Arvo proved he was plenty capable when he shot Clementine. He was a drug addict. His sister didn't need the meds.
Arvo didn't 'jump' or 'try to kill you', that was Buricko the baldy who started the gunfight in the first place. Kenny's anger doesn't even… more make sense since nobody we knew died - it's a ridiculous overreaction, and truly childish.
He beat up Arvo for standing up to him, and yells all that moronic shit about "Speak American" and calling a teenage boy a slur that went out of date in 1991.
Again, people will excuse all the nastiest shit from characters they love.
You know I bet if people could listen to every private conversation you ever had with anyone I bet they could call you a racist, or a bigot. Have you ever called anyone a fag in your entire life? If you have you are a bigot.
Yeah a really obviously racist.
Your name is Kennyftw, so that means your opinion isn't at all biased. Huh?
"Say it in American, asshole." "You commie piece of shit." "You're... you know, urban." Yup, Kenny's racist.
Have you ever called anyone a fag in your entire life?
Are you serious? Have I ever called anyone a "fag" in my life? And if I have, say, jokingly called a friend that, that makes me a bigot?
Now, I have never used that word in spite. Mostly cause it's a very immature thing to say. Just like saying "say it American, asshole." Immaturity and ignorance breeds bigotry. Kenny has both immaturity and ignorance by the boat loads. So that's why he's racist, and the hell with "casual racism." You either are racist or you aren't, there is no in-between.
You know I bet if people could listen to every private conversation you ever had with anyone I bet they could call you a racist, or a bigot. Have you ever called anyone a fag in your entire life? If you have you are a bigot.
I think you're caught up a little too much in political correctness. You don't actually know what racism is. The KKK is racist. The people of today have grown up in such a pussy environment they don't actually know what real bigotry is. Hanging someone because of their skin color is hate, not some of this name calling you seem to think is racism.
Have you ever called anyone a fag in your entire life?
Are you serious? Have I ever called anyone a "fag" in my life? And if I have,… more say, jokingly called a friend that, that makes me a bigot?
Now, I have never used that word in spite. Mostly cause it's a very immature thing to say. Just like saying "say it American, asshole." Immaturity and ignorance breeds bigotry. Kenny has both immaturity and ignorance by the boat loads. So that's why he's racist, and the hell with "casual racism." You either are racist or you aren't, there is no in-between.
I'm sorry, but everything you've said, without exception was wrong.
rac·ism
/ˈrāˌsizəm/
noun
noun: racism
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
•prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
Kenny thought Lee could pick a lock because he was "urban." That's racial profiling at it's finest.
I think you're caught up a little too much in political correctness. You don't actually know what racism is. The KKK is racist. The peopl… moree of today have grown up in such a pussy environment they don't actually know what real bigotry is. Hanging someone because of their skin color is hate, not some of this name calling you seem to think is racism.
Arvo never did anything to our group, it was his sister, and those other two, that were adamant on stealing from you. When he shot Clem, it was out of fear of her calling the abusive redneck that's been beating on him for no reason back to beat him some more. Why would he not shoot, or want to stay in that situation?
Also, he was a drug addict...yet showed no signs of withdrawal, after two days without his fix? Everybody needs meds in an environment where medical supplies are scarce, like a ZA. You get a wound, but need to keep moving despite the pain? That's what the Oxycontin is for.
Jeez, try to look at this from his, or an outsider's, perspective. It's not always black and white in a ZA, and, in an un-bias POV, anybody should see how Kenny's actions were completely unnecessary.
Arvo didn't jump or try to kill the group? So the group wasn't surrounded by armed people, and confronted by Arvo? Arvo proved he was plenty capable when he shot Clementine. He was a drug addict. His sister didn't need the meds.
Example of this is in episode 3 of series 2. Carlos comments "I am pointing out that, regardless of intent, there are consequences to rash actions. something that he seems to be misreading as capitulation." Kenny replies "I dunno what the f**k you are saying, but I know it's bullshit! we have to do something!"
I'm not gonna lie, I almost fell out of my chair laughing when that exchange happened.
Racism is a big problem, it is really degrading
Look Kenny might not judge people for being not white, through he would if a person say s… moreomething he doesn't agree with, he will just assume that what the person says is nonsense. Example of this is in episode 3 of series 2. Carlos comments "I am pointing out that, regardless of intent, there are consequences to rash actions. something that he seems to be misreading as capitulation." Kenny replies "I dunno what the f**k you are saying, but I know it's bullshit! we have to do something!". the other time when was racist in series 1 was when he "assumed" Lee could lock pick the st. johns barn door. The only other case was with Avro, was when he was push to the edge and just snapped.
Look Kenny is one of those characters, you either liked him or you don't, he is just one of those characters that push morals all the time, testing the player if they like him or hate him. I would say that Kenny… [view original content]
Example of this is in episode 3 of series 2. Carlos comments "I am pointing out that, regardless of intent, there are consequences to rash a… morections. something that he seems to be misreading as capitulation." Kenny replies "I dunno what the f**k you are saying, but I know it's bullshit! we have to do something!"
I'm not gonna lie, I almost fell out of my chair laughing when that exchange happened.
Kenny isn't really racist, per se, but he seems to be willfully ignorant, and unwilling, or uncaring enough, to even attempt to change his ways for the better. One of the reasons why I liked Jane was because even tho she saw people as burdens, and straight didn't like people, she did what a lot of us would do in the same situation: just dealt with the shit long enough to get along, and keep safe in the group as long as she deemed it necessary/stable (until ep 5 lol). That realistic, and relatable, to many of us; we do that at our jobs, on sports teams and at school. Plenty of us think thoughts that could be seen as racist, or offensive, even if we know we are not, BUT we have the sense of mind to suppress the urges, or just stop thinking that way.
Kenny has a serious lack of self-control, and that's why he can come off as stupid, hot tempered, and possibly racist. His lack of control is why he lost an eye, and why every one (potentially including Clem) turned on him. If he would just stop, and THINK, he'd be so much more competent in surviving AND socially. In S1, when he showed self-control, and contrition, he was so much more efficient and cool.
The way he was going, if we didn't escape Howe's, then Kenny would've eventually pissed off Troy, or Carver, enough to waste just cuz. Gotta no when to hide your animosity; especially when being held captive by highly immoral people (Carver and Troy).
Still, it's because of his flaws that I still appreciate the character character so much.
Kenny isn't really racist, per se, but he seems to be willfully ignorant, and unwilling, or uncaring enough, to even attempt to change his w… moreays for the better. One of the reasons why I liked Jane was because even tho she saw people as burdens, and straight didn't like people, she did what a lot of us would do in the same situation: just dealt with the shit long enough to get along, and keep safe in the group as long as she deemed it necessary/stable (until ep 5 lol). That realistic, and relatable, to many of us; we do that at our jobs, on sports teams and at school. Plenty of us think thoughts that could be seen as racist, or offensive, even if we know we are not, BUT we have the sense of mind to suppress the urges, or just stop thinking that way.
Kenny has a serious lack of self-control, and that's why he can come off as stupid, hot tempered, and possibly racist. His lack of control is why he lost an eye, and why every one (potentially in… [view original content]
No he lost an eye because he stupid enough to call a man, cruel enough to push a handicapped man off a building, a fucker to his face...right after being found out to be conspiring to escape from said man's holding cell.
Sorry, but that's stupid. He's lucky Carver didn't cap when had him down.
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I know, but the point i'm getting across is if say he bumps into a complete stranger in S3 he might say something that would insult an oversensitive person of another race.
And that person be like:
Me too. Why can't we all just get along without these stupid politicians telling us what to do?
I suspect the reason why the foreigner that Kenneth beats up was Russian rather than Latino (which'd be MUCH more likely in this setting) was that the writers were afraid that Kenneth's bigotry would be a lot more noticeable if 'Arvo' was not white. A white guy beating up a Mexican teenager while yelling racial slurs at him would probably garner a lot more negative attention from audiences, because almost no one wants to accept being a racist.
Yeah, a lot of dumb-ass Americans think that Russians are still communists, but that's of an older generation and Russians are still considered white. Right now, Latino immigrants are much more prevalent in the American consciousness as the current face of immigration, and it'd have made a lot more sense for a gang of Mexicans to have appeared in Tennessee rather than some Russian gangsters straight out of a goofy Tom Clancy novel.
Telltale was too uncomfortable to make Kenneth be blatanty racist, so they made his victim a white guy so that his bigotry would get a 'pass'. IMO that's cowardice.
Racism is ingrained, virtually everyone has it without even being consciously aware of it. Outright displays of hatred are hated, but the more subtle, insidious perspectives are excused.
C.f. this entire thread.
Was that before or after he offered Lee a lift off the farm? Do you think a racist would do that? What about protecting AJ? Would a racist want to risk his life to protect a child that was half black? What about when Lee was knocked out, and Kenny helped him up when they were escaping the pharmacy? Yeah a really obviously racist. When he's not wearing his hat, he has on his white hood.
I don't think he had bigotry. How would you respond to people jumping you, and trying to kill you? I don't know about you but I'd be pretty damn pissed off at them for a long time. Arvo getting a beating? So fucking what, it's not like he can send him to prison. If he lets him go, he might return to kill them. If he shoots him in the head, it's murder. That's the problem when society breaks down, it's pretty tough to make decisions in that kind of situation.
Racism is a big problem, it is really degrading
Look Kenny might not judge people for being not white, through he would if a person say something he doesn't agree with, he will just assume that what the person says is nonsense. Example of this is in episode 3 of series 2. Carlos comments "I am pointing out that, regardless of intent, there are consequences to rash actions. something that he seems to be misreading as capitulation." Kenny replies "I dunno what the f**k you are saying, but I know it's bullshit! we have to do something!". the other time when was racist in series 1 was when he "assumed" Lee could lock pick the st. johns barn door. The only other case was with Avro, was when he was push to the edge and just snapped.
Look Kenny is one of those characters, you either liked him or you don't, he is just one of those characters that push morals all the time, testing the player if they like him or hate him. I would say that Kenny isn't completely racist, but he is more then a little racist. He would be in the middle, that is just what I think. Look Kenny fans will defend this character with passion, I am just saying that Kenny is just one of those characters that like him one min and hate him next, then like him again. He likes to test people's morals
Arvo didn't 'jump' or 'try to kill you', that was Buricko the baldy who started the gunfight in the first place. Kenny's anger doesn't even make sense since nobody we knew died - it's a ridiculous overreaction, and truly childish.
He beat up Arvo for standing up to him, and yells all that moronic shit about "Speak American" and calling a teenage boy a slur that went out of date in 1991.
Again, people will excuse all the nastiest shit from characters they love.
But my friend haven't you heard? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RovF1zsDoeM
Because my country is shitty
Although i shouldn't be posting that, i might get killed literally if someone from Serbia sees this.
I can't really blame Buricko in that situation, because either Clem or Kenny shot first, even I'd have overreacted and thought they were trying to kill my group.
Lol, they shot Rebecca just in front of them.. What's there to misunderstand?
They shot a woman who seemed alive to them. Apparently the Russians are really bad at telling the living apart from the dead.
Point still stands - from what Arvo tells you and Buricko's own behavior, it's the bald jackass who is really to blame. Yet Kenny, being a child at heart, decides to abuse a skinny disabled kid rather than go on a good ol' fashioned mutilation spree on Buricko's corpse.
It was a joke....
Kenny is just about as racist as anyone else in the series, he's just more vocal about what makes him mad obviously.
Katjaa, a Belgian woman whom he married, never said anything rude/insensitive about her.
Lee an African American, a black man, and depending on OUR choices, Kenny will stay with us till the end and call us his best friend and say we are his only family. In the same group was Christa, a African American whom Kenny never said anything about. Kenny saying 'urban' was not insensitive. It's what Kenny was insinuating was insensitive. And we've all been guilty of assuming things about other groups or people of ethnicity.
Clem = AFRICAN AMERICAN / AJ = AFRICAN AMERICAN = Kenny was more than willing to treat them both like his own children. He even offers to sacrifice his own well being for them in the Wellington ending.
Sarita = Indian woman, he loved her.
Arvo = I won't defend all the things Kenny said about Arvo, but when you're that pissed off at someone it doesn't matter what the hell you say to them.
AND ANOTHER THING:
Why does everyone call him racist? Is it because he's a redneck? Is it because when people think Kenny says redneck, he's a gun toting, racist, conservative, bible thumping arrogant ingrate?
Because if so, I have to say, when people assume those things about Kenny simply because of him being a 'redneck' then you are guilty of the very thing you accuse Kenny of doing. So to anyone who calls rednecks all of these above things, get off your damn high horse and quit saying Kenny and rednecks are racist. Not every redneck is racist, but some racists are redneck. THERE YA GO.
Everyone is guilty of racism and prejudice to a degree. So no, Kenny is not racist. Just an extremely pissed off 'redneck'.
Because he called Lee "Urban" and Arvo a "commie bastard."
I agree with your post by the way, I don't think he's racist but he seems very vocal about the things he says.
It's almost kind of sad that this stuff actually needs to be fleshed out for people, but I'm glad you had the patience to say that. Anyone who insists that Kenny is/was racist is seriously not even giving 10 seconds of thought to the matter.
I agree, if Kenny were racist I'd admit it, but given how many chances he's had to say racist things about other characters, he just isn't. Besides, we've seen self control is not his strong suit, he had a lot of chances to say shit about Carlos, about Lee, Arvo just got the brunt of his 'prejudice'.
However, if someone didn't like Kenny because themselves and their Lee didn't get along with him, racism is a convenient excuse. (But I can see why they wouldn't like him.) It seems to be an incredibly convenient thing to say nowadays. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but as far as Kenny goes, I don't believe it was an issue.
I'm not going to call every northerner a Yankee, I just ask that people not assume all rednecks are just as I described above. Is that too much to ask? And if they are calling Kenny a racist or calling rednecks racist, then they need to realize what they're accusing him off they're guilty themselves.
Kenny is very vocal, and vocal people tend to say the things everyone is thinking, but don't have the balls or the stupidity to say. Kenny is definitely not the smartest, like my momma told me, think before you talk. Kenny could probably benefit from that advice.
I only mean that a few of the things Kenny said might cause offence to someone who is oversensitive, by the way you couldn't be more wrong I am not racist and Kenny is a character I like a lot, I also like Daryl from the TV series. I am fond of the majority of Rednecks I have seen on TV and in games.
I don't think rednecks are all like that but when you mix a "redneck" with racism, it gets generalized like that. I don't see it that way, but it definitely doesn't help Kenny.
Sorry, I wasn't trying to call you out on anything. It's just I've seen a lot of posts about Kenny and the whole Racist redneck thing. So, it just pisses me off because people think redneck and racism go hand in hand.
And the reason why some people don't like Kenny is because they don't agree with him on how he's handled things, not because he's a racist redneck. Which he isn't. So people can no longer use the racism card as an excuse to say why they don't like him, they should try to be more constructive about it at the very least for anyone to take them seriously.
And if you're a fan of him and able to recognize that Kenny has said offensive things, that people might consider racist, that means you're in a far better state self awareness, and your character fairness scale is very good. I respect that about you.
I appreciate that you don't see them all that way, but I've seen it thrown around a lot on the forums and I just wanted to clarify once more. lol
Thanks man, consider it apology accepted. I know people can be very stereotypical about rednecks, I don't think its right. You sound like a really nice guy.
It's all good man. Just one thing...
Thats cool
Your name is Kennyftw, so that means your opinion isn't at all biased. Huh?
"Say it in American, asshole." "You commie piece of shit." "You're... you know, urban." Yup, Kenny's racist.
Arvo didn't jump or try to kill the group? So the group wasn't surrounded by armed people, and confronted by Arvo? Arvo proved he was plenty capable when he shot Clementine. He was a drug addict. His sister didn't need the meds.
You know I bet if people could listen to every private conversation you ever had with anyone I bet they could call you a racist, or a bigot. Have you ever called anyone a fag in your entire life? If you have you are a bigot.
Are you serious? Have I ever called anyone a "fag" in my life? And if I have, say, jokingly called a friend that, that makes me a bigot?
Now, I have never used that word in spite. Mostly cause it's a very immature thing to say. Just like saying "say it American, asshole." Immaturity and ignorance breeds bigotry. Kenny has both immaturity and ignorance by the boat loads. So that's why he's racist, and the hell with "casual racism." You either are racist or you aren't, there is no in-between.
I think you're caught up a little too much in political correctness. You don't actually know what racism is. The KKK is racist. The people of today have grown up in such a pussy environment they don't actually know what real bigotry is. Hanging someone because of their skin color is hate, not some of this name calling you seem to think is racism.
I'm sorry, but everything you've said, without exception was wrong.
/ˈrāˌsizəm/
noun
noun: racism
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
•prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
Kenny thought Lee could pick a lock because he was "urban." That's racial profiling at it's finest.
Arvo never did anything to our group, it was his sister, and those other two, that were adamant on stealing from you. When he shot Clem, it was out of fear of her calling the abusive redneck that's been beating on him for no reason back to beat him some more. Why would he not shoot, or want to stay in that situation?
Also, he was a drug addict...yet showed no signs of withdrawal, after two days without his fix? Everybody needs meds in an environment where medical supplies are scarce, like a ZA. You get a wound, but need to keep moving despite the pain? That's what the Oxycontin is for.
Jeez, try to look at this from his, or an outsider's, perspective. It's not always black and white in a ZA, and, in an un-bias POV, anybody should see how Kenny's actions were completely unnecessary.
I'm not gonna lie, I almost fell out of my chair laughing when that exchange happened.
Same here, I laugh at that moment, however its still racist. It is a good example.
Kenny isn't really racist, per se, but he seems to be willfully ignorant, and unwilling, or uncaring enough, to even attempt to change his ways for the better. One of the reasons why I liked Jane was because even tho she saw people as burdens, and straight didn't like people, she did what a lot of us would do in the same situation: just dealt with the shit long enough to get along, and keep safe in the group as long as she deemed it necessary/stable (until ep 5 lol). That realistic, and relatable, to many of us; we do that at our jobs, on sports teams and at school. Plenty of us think thoughts that could be seen as racist, or offensive, even if we know we are not, BUT we have the sense of mind to suppress the urges, or just stop thinking that way.
Kenny has a serious lack of self-control, and that's why he can come off as stupid, hot tempered, and possibly racist. His lack of control is why he lost an eye, and why every one (potentially including Clem) turned on him. If he would just stop, and THINK, he'd be so much more competent in surviving AND socially. In S1, when he showed self-control, and contrition, he was so much more efficient and cool.
The way he was going, if we didn't escape Howe's, then Kenny would've eventually pissed off Troy, or Carver, enough to waste just cuz. Gotta no when to hide your animosity; especially when being held captive by highly immoral people (Carver and Troy).
Still, it's because of his flaws that I still appreciate the character character so much.
I used to watch that cartoon as a little kid all the time..
He lost an eye thanks to the cabin group, especially Luke.
No he lost an eye because he stupid enough to call a man, cruel enough to push a handicapped man off a building, a fucker to his face...right after being found out to be conspiring to escape from said man's holding cell.
Sorry, but that's stupid. He's lucky Carver didn't cap when had him down.