lol it's like people don't know anything about anything in these forums. That is completely normal and happens all the time.
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People need take their game choices based on logic and not ignorance.
I don't even think Crawford is that fucked up...
Thats a pointed jab, not a discussion
It never would have gotten to that leve… morel if Kenny was cool headed like Lee was trying to be. There was never a single indication Larry was dead. He was passed out from a heart attack, and Kenny murdered him.
This is the reason for my last post.... you dont have any grounds to say "kenny murdered him" if it was that clear cut then the scene would not have worked, hence my post above...
I think you're a bit salty not because this argument has hit a nerve, but because it is an argument asking for an answer you cannot justify from a character you admire.
Admire? Nooo I dont think so..... hes a well written character thats adds lots to the game (or did untill S2) but I wouldn't want to be in RL situation with the guy.... hes a character..... I find his ways funny especially in S1, but no I dont admire the guy one bit..
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What makes it worse is that Kenny calls Lilly a murderer after he only recently killed her dad, Larry. She did kill Doug/Carley, but it's the fact that she was called a murderer by a murderer.
larry had a bad heart he didn't have any more nitrogen pills and was going to die CPR could have brought him back for about 1 hour before his heart gave out again just maybe for lilly to say goodbye. i tryed to help larry for that only i knew he was going to die there once he grabs his chest and so did larry that's because he said o god
What makes it worse is that Kenny calls Lilly a murderer after he only recently killed her dad, Larry. She did kill Doug/Carley, but it's the fact that she was called a murderer by a murderer.
a murderer calling a murderer a murderer, who then calls out another murderer for being a murderer, then the murderer gets mad at the other murderer for being a murderer, and not telling him he was a murderer earlier
What makes it worse is that Kenny calls Lilly a murderer after he only recently killed her dad, Larry. She did kill Doug/Carley, but it's the fact that she was called a murderer by a murderer.
Duck never attempted to kill anyone like Larry did to Lee.
No, so what. Just because someone does something bad doesn't mean you should reciprocate in kind.
3:Without nitro, the odd's of Larry surviving that heart attack were very slim and as big as he was, posed a far greater threat to everyone than a walker Duck would have.
Even So, it wasn't Kenny's choice to make. It wasn't Lee's choice, and Lilly asked for Lee to help her. He had more time, people take at least six minutes to die from when your heart stops beating, that is when brain activity starts dying.
your right Crazy, Kenny was a hypocrite in that case but there are a couple differences.
1: Duck was not bitten at that time
2:Duck ne… morever attempted to kill anyone like Larry did to Lee
3:Without nitro, the odd's of Larry surviving that heart attack were very slim and as big as he was, posed a far greater threat to everyone than a walker Duck would have.
I think if it would be reallife, I'd do the same if I was a father/mother. His only thought was about his boy, and if Larry would've turned and killed Kenny, who would have saved his boy then? In situations like that, I don't really think you care about morals or whatever. You just care about the ones you love. talking cheese off
I do get it, I just don't agree with you. I respect your opinion on the matter but I simply do not agree.
We all know Larry was Lilly's daughter and of course she wanted to keep trying to revive him. Anyone would fight to save their parent like this. It's completely reasonable and understood. But at the same time any father like Kenny would be willing to fight or do whatever was needed to save their own child or wife.
Larry was very possibly going to die (if he haden't already) and he would have been a difficult walker to contend with. Now I will also say that I think Kenny could have waited, til the moment Larry turned and used the salt lick in that moment before walker Larry could get up. Kenny rushed the gun a little I agree, but, he had as much right as anyone to make that decision in order to save his own life, so he could escape the meat locker and save his family.
You could have been the better person and tried to save him, revenge is pointless.
I wasn't concerned with being the better person and it wasn't about revenge, it was about self preservation. I was concerned with allowing Larry the opportunity to try to kill Lee again.
He already tried to kill Lee once and I think it foolish to give him the chance to try again. That's why I didn't give Larry the axe. Why would I hand a weapon to the man that just tried to kill me? I would have shot Larry at the end of S1E1 if given the opportunity, but Like everyone else we never had the chance to kill him til the meat locker and I took it. I helped Kenny. I would have used the salt lick myself if given that option.
Now you can look at it how you want, and you should, that's what this game is about, making the decision's YOU feel is right for YOU. I'm not saying I am right and you are wrong, I am saying we are different in our reasoning's and I'm explaining my view's and why I chose the option's I took.
Larry already tried to kill my Lee so as Lee I helped Kenny kill Larry
You could have been the better person and tried to save him, revenge is pointless.
Your second reason makes sense, if you think that way. (No use fighting it.)
You could have been the better person and tried to save him, revenge is pointless.
I wasn't concerned with being the better person and it… more wasn't about revenge, it was about self preservation. I was concerned with allowing Larry the opportunity to try to kill Lee again.
He already tried to kill Lee once and I think it foolish to give him the chance to try again. That's why I didn't give Larry the axe. Why would I hand a weapon to the man that just tried to kill me? I would have shot Larry at the end of S1E1 if given the opportunity, but Like everyone else we never had the chance to kill him til the meat locker and I took it. I helped Kenny. I would have used the salt lick myself if given that option.
Now you can look at it how you want, and you should, that's what this game is about, making the decision's YOU feel is right for YOU. I'm not saying I am right and you are wrong, I am saying we are different in our reasoning's and I'm explaining my view's and why I chose the option's I took.
Sure it can be seen as revenge, but as I already stated, it was about self preservation. You can try to re-define my word's to mean what you want, that still doesn't change my reason.
Sure it can be seen as revenge, but as I already stated, it was about self preservation. You can try to re-define my word's to mean what you want, that still doesn't change my reason.
Larry was originally supposed to say dying words to Lilly but in a scenario like that, at least Lilly probably wouldn't have gone insane or have hatred towards Kenny and determinantly Lee, also they weren't too far away from The Motor Inn, it only took them a few minutes to get to the St. John's Dairy Farm.
larry had a bad heart he didn't have any more nitrogen pills and was going to die CPR could have brought him back for about 1 hour before hi… mores heart gave out again just maybe for lilly to say goodbye. i tryed to help larry for that only i knew he was going to die there once he grabs his chest and so did larry that's because he said o god
a murderer calling a murderer a murderer, who then calls out another murderer for being a murderer, then the murderer gets mad at the other murderer for being a murderer, and not telling him he was a murderer earlier
I think if it would be reallife, I'd do the same if I was a father/mother. His only thought was about his boy, and if Larry would've turned … moreand killed Kenny, who would have saved his boy then? In situations like that, I don't really think you care about morals or whatever. You just care about the ones you love. talking cheese off
Yes I know you said its about self preservation but still, nothing changed about the revenge.
I wasn't concerned with being the better person and it wasn't about revenge, it was about self preservation. I was concerned with allowing Larry the opportunity to try to kill Lee again.
I understand this, but this my comment above still stands:
Larry already tried to kill my Lee so as Lee I helped Kenny kill Larry
It wasn't justified. One of the prime motivators of his actions could've been that he was never with good terms with Larry, so he was looking for a way to be rid him. But that probably isn't the whole story.
He probably was also panicking. After all, Larry was a very large, strong man who could knock Lee out with one strong punch. If he had reanimated, it would've been very difficult, and very dangerous, for everyone to try and stop him.
So there you go. This is a quite grey topic, I'm not sure what the right answer is. I think he was wrong to do it, and I wish he hadn't done it, but I don't think his actions warrant him to be condemned for all eternity. He messed up several times. But he's also helped several times as well.
I like your pragmatism. This is how discussions are brought to middle terms.
Have a like.
The only thing is that although the one action doesn't condemn him. It's what his actions were after, he was still actively hostile toward Lilly even after he had killed her dad. He could've at the very least tried mending her pain. Maybe going back with her and helping bury her father, or something... anything. It shows that killing Larry was only the first concerning sign of an eventual madman.
It wasn't justified. One of the prime motivators of his actions could've been that he was never with good terms with Larry, so he was lookin… moreg for a way to be rid him. But that probably isn't the whole story.
He probably was also panicking. After all, Larry was a very large, strong man who could knock Lee out with one strong punch. If he had reanimated, it would've been very difficult, and very dangerous, for everyone to try and stop him.
So there you go. This is a quite grey topic, I'm not sure what the right answer is. I think he was wrong to do it, and I wish he hadn't done it, but I don't think his actions warrant him to be condemned for all eternity. He messed up several times. But he's also helped several times as well.
CPR is effective for heart attack victims if you have medical personal to take over to perform what is required such as open heart surgery. Larry wasn't coming back and if by some chance he did regain consciousness, he'd have been dead soon after.
Larry had died. He had a history of heart problems (everyone knew it). He suffered a heart attack. Without the medical personal, and equipment required to repair a clogged artery there was nothing that could be done. Within moments of death he would have been a Walker, and a very powerful one at that. What Kenny did was right.
CPR is effective for heart attack victims if you have medical personal to take over to perform what is required such as open heart surgery. Larry wasn't coming back and if by some chance he did regain consciousness, he'd have been dead soon after.
It's ok. You can't talk sense into some of the Kenny fans. They believe, because Kenny (an experienced commercial fisherman) said Larry was dead. He was clinically dead.
It didn't matter if Larry got up and started doing the "Charleston." Kenny and a small sum of his extremely misguided fans would've thought he were dead all the same.
It can't be helped, just nod your head and move along I suppose...
Miracles happen
It's ok. You can't talk sense into some of the Kenny fans. They believe, because Kenny (an experienced commercial fi… moresherman) said Larry was dead. He was clinically dead.
It didn't matter if Larry got up and started doing the "Charleston." Kenny and a small sum of his extremely misguided fans would've thought he were dead all the same.
It can't be helped, just nod your head and move along I suppose...
I do get it, I just don't agree with you. I respect your opinion on the matter but I simply do not agree.
We all know Larry was Lilly's d… moreaughter and of course she wanted to keep trying to revive him. Anyone would fight to save their parent like this. It's completely reasonable and understood. But at the same time any father like Kenny would be willing to fight or do whatever was needed to save their own child or wife.
Larry was very possibly going to die (if he haden't already) and he would have been a difficult walker to contend with. Now I will also say that I think Kenny could have waited, til the moment Larry turned and used the salt lick in that moment before walker Larry could get up. Kenny rushed the gun a little I agree, but, he had as much right as anyone to make that decision in order to save his own life, so he could escape the meat locker and save his family.
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Pretty sure there's a difference between a heart attack and drowning. Also they weren't giving that person chest compressions.
The denial is strong. Want me to link you another 20 videos? Should i also include peer reviewed medical journals?
Fair enough.
Now hows about a beer? Im thirsty after all that lol
CG where are you? we need alcohol over here damnit
My counter argument is that this is a video game based off a post-zombie apocalyptic world.
What makes it worse is that Kenny calls Lilly a murderer after he only recently killed her dad, Larry. She did kill Doug/Carley, but it's the fact that she was called a murderer by a murderer.
I was thinking shots of Hennessey. But, I'm down for a little whistle wetting...
LOL!
Damn that gif just gave me a seizure lol
One could say his intentions were in the right place, but his actions were not.
larry had a bad heart he didn't have any more nitrogen pills and was going to die CPR could have brought him back for about 1 hour before his heart gave out again just maybe for lilly to say goodbye. i tryed to help larry for that only i knew he was going to die there once he grabs his chest and so did larry that's because he said o god
Exactly, the irony is sharp enough to cut through steel.
a murderer calling a murderer a murderer, who then calls out another murderer for being a murderer, then the murderer gets mad at the other murderer for being a murderer, and not telling him he was a murderer earlier
you still don't get it, it wasn't your choice to make. It was Lilly's father.
Neither was Larry
No, so what. Just because someone does something bad doesn't mean you should reciprocate in kind.
Even So, it wasn't Kenny's choice to make. It wasn't Lee's choice, and Lilly asked for Lee to help her. He had more time, people take at least six minutes to die from when your heart stops beating, that is when brain activity starts dying.
I think if it would be reallife, I'd do the same if I was a father/mother. His only thought was about his boy, and if Larry would've turned and killed Kenny, who would have saved his boy then? In situations like that, I don't really think you care about morals or whatever. You just care about the ones you love. talking cheese off
I do get it, I just don't agree with you. I respect your opinion on the matter but I simply do not agree.
We all know Larry was Lilly's daughter and of course she wanted to keep trying to revive him. Anyone would fight to save their parent like this. It's completely reasonable and understood. But at the same time any father like Kenny would be willing to fight or do whatever was needed to save their own child or wife.
Larry was very possibly going to die (if he haden't already) and he would have been a difficult walker to contend with. Now I will also say that I think Kenny could have waited, til the moment Larry turned and used the salt lick in that moment before walker Larry could get up. Kenny rushed the gun a little I agree, but, he had as much right as anyone to make that decision in order to save his own life, so he could escape the meat locker and save his family.
You could have been the better person and tried to save him, revenge is pointless.
I wasn't concerned with being the better person and it wasn't about revenge, it was about self preservation. I was concerned with allowing Larry the opportunity to try to kill Lee again.
He already tried to kill Lee once and I think it foolish to give him the chance to try again. That's why I didn't give Larry the axe. Why would I hand a weapon to the man that just tried to kill me? I would have shot Larry at the end of S1E1 if given the opportunity, but Like everyone else we never had the chance to kill him til the meat locker and I took it. I helped Kenny. I would have used the salt lick myself if given that option.
Now you can look at it how you want, and you should, that's what this game is about, making the decision's YOU feel is right for YOU. I'm not saying I am right and you are wrong, I am saying we are different in our reasoning's and I'm explaining my view's and why I chose the option's I took.
What about this?
Sounds like revenge to me.
Sure it can be seen as revenge, but as I already stated, it was about self preservation. You can try to re-define my word's to mean what you want, that still doesn't change my reason.
Okay, then. Why did you say this?
That's exactly what revenge is.
Best explanation of the scene ive heard to date....
Larry was originally supposed to say dying words to Lilly but in a scenario like that, at least Lilly probably wouldn't have gone insane or have hatred towards Kenny and determinantly Lee, also they weren't too far away from The Motor Inn, it only took them a few minutes to get to the St. John's Dairy Farm.
Murderers....
Scroll up, I've already explained this.
THIS!!!
Larry wanted to smash Duck's head in on an assumption that he was bit.
Kenny assuming Larry was dead and smashing his head in is sort of ironic in the end
Yes I know you said its about self preservation but still, nothing changed about the revenge.
I understand this, but this my comment above still stands:
It wasn't justified. One of the prime motivators of his actions could've been that he was never with good terms with Larry, so he was looking for a way to be rid him. But that probably isn't the whole story.
He probably was also panicking. After all, Larry was a very large, strong man who could knock Lee out with one strong punch. If he had reanimated, it would've been very difficult, and very dangerous, for everyone to try and stop him.
So there you go. This is a quite grey topic, I'm not sure what the right answer is. I think he was wrong to do it, and I wish he hadn't done it, but I don't think his actions warrant him to be condemned for all eternity. He messed up several times. But he's also helped several times as well.
I like your pragmatism. This is how discussions are brought to middle terms.
Have a like.
The only thing is that although the one action doesn't condemn him. It's what his actions were after, he was still actively hostile toward Lilly even after he had killed her dad. He could've at the very least tried mending her pain. Maybe going back with her and helping bury her father, or something... anything. It shows that killing Larry was only the first concerning sign of an eventual madman.
CPR is effective for heart attack victims if you have medical personal to take over to perform what is required such as open heart surgery. Larry wasn't coming back and if by some chance he did regain consciousness, he'd have been dead soon after.
Larry had died. He had a history of heart problems (everyone knew it). He suffered a heart attack. Without the medical personal, and equipment required to repair a clogged artery there was nothing that could be done. Within moments of death he would have been a Walker, and a very powerful one at that. What Kenny did was right.
Miracles happen.
Uh. Zombies.
It's ok. You can't talk sense into some of the Kenny fans. They believe, because Kenny (an experienced commercial fisherman) said Larry was dead. He was clinically dead.
It didn't matter if Larry got up and started doing the "Charleston." Kenny and a small sum of his extremely misguided fans would've thought he were dead all the same.
It can't be helped, just nod your head and move along I suppose...
boats.. gotta worship them
I actually kind of liked Larry's character, saying that if anything happens to Lilly AND Clementine kind of showed a bit of that ass charm.
I mean I hated the guy. But, that never even factored into me thinking it was ok to murder him because I'd be able to get off "scott-free."
I figured if I helped him, things would've been different. We could start anew, water under the bridge.
Well its over now , so it doesn't really matter. He is dead, Kenny is dead...
I am starting to feel like nick. WHAT IS THE POINT OF GOIN ON!
So you want an argument not based on logic? You want an emotional based argument just like most/all of the Pro-Larry ones?