With all the 'experience' from other mediums, Kenny isn't even that bad when it comes to what he's done
He killed two people in a relatively brutal fashion, and that's literally the worst he's done. Those are his stand-out actions. Characters from other mediums at their absolute least have done even worse than that. Let me emphasize: at their absolute least. For some characters, brutally killing people is them on a good day
If we're putting together a list of "most fucked up, murderous, and/or psychotic individuals" in the franchise, Kenny wouldn't even make the top 10
He barely won a fair fight with an 120lb woman with terrible fighting form.
Did you see her swinging that knife? She gave a very large opening. So Kenny can barely win a fight against a skinny inexperienced woman... What a great fighter.
Plus he's weak. It took him like a whole minute to overpower Jane, who had been laying down and had nearly an 100lb heavier guy trying to thrust a knife into her chest. How did it take him that damn long?
What with last fight with Jane? Kenny was able to stand on equal ground against Jane whilst sustaining a cut on his abdomen. Even when she … morehas a lethal weapon, he is able to stab and kill her in the fight. And in episode 2 he easily overpowers Mike. He can't fight in season 1 but in season 2 he is better at fight
Here we go again. If you have the right answers. There are no right answers. You pick the answers you want based on how you want to experience the game. Kenny did not have my back even when my Lee protected his family and even if you are nice to him, he's still nasty half the time, especially when he's drinking. His loyalty has a price tag.
Wow some of you people shock me...this is a easy answer if you show Kenny Loyalty he will show it right back and will have your back until t… morehe end..yeah he might come of the deep end sometimes but Loyalty is what counts here ..if you went with the right answers Kenny will go with you and have your back...Let me put it like this in real life if you trust some one and show them loyalty they will give it right back and if they don't then you go the other way now with that said you trust Jane for real only thing she talks about is how she left this person and that person and now with the baby do you think she will put herself on the line for you and that baby..for all the people who did not do that I know who I would not trust if crap hit the fan because you would prob flip sides or run away and leave me or the person you were with..if you don't think so go read some of your post..i guess some of you don't know what the word Loyalty means today ..you should answer like it was you and who will have you back until the end
I agree with GoonSquad stupid people..jane puts you in that spot and will leave you at any chance..bonnie and mike try to run away with the russain..stick by kenny
Irrelevant comment is irrelevant. I have actual reasons for hating Kenny btw. Nice job on making such a well thought out and educated response to my argument.
Irrelevant comment is irrelevant. Just like your uneducated argument against me that I should replay a game I am allowed to do what ever I choose to and play the way you want me to. Try again troll,
Irrelevant comment is irrelevant. I have actual reasons for hating Kenny btw. Nice job on making such a well thought out and educated response to my argument.
My god you won't even bother making counter arguments to my post to support your claim itt's hilarious. Go back to your cave Kenny fanboy, and come back when you've found an actual well thought out and educated argument against me to support your claim instead of just posting random nonsense. This comment is still irrelevant btw.
kenny is the best!!!! i learned to be a fisherman and i went to florida then wrestled and caught an 800-pound marlin with my bare hands and named it in his honor :-)
My god you won't even bother making counter arguments to my post to support your claim itt's hilarious. Go back to your cave Kenny fanboy, a… morend come back when you've found an actual well thought out and educated argument against me to support your claim instead of just posting random nonsense. This comment is still irrelevant btw.
kenny is the best!!!! i learned to be a fisherman and i went to florida then wrestled and caught an 800-pound marlin with my bare hands and named it in his honor :-)
Well a lot of people DID think Jane needed to die. Its all opinion based and its ok if a large majority of the people here have the same opinion as one another. I do dissagree with how people think him being alive up until s2e5 makes him heroic, i think he is heroic for many different reasons but lifespan means nothing. Carver could have stuck around for both seasons, and it would definitely not be villainous to kill him. I love Kenny but i know there are people who go overly-insane for him and forget his flaws, i dont. I mainly made this comment to say that and that i personally (along with others) really didnt like Jane as a character and wanted her gone
I don't hate Kenny.
What I do hate is some of his fans and their logic.
"Kennys powerful stache is stronger than humanity!!!!"
"Fuck Jane… more she needed to die, Kenny has been with you since season 1. Since his lifespan in twd is longer, it means killing him is evil."
etc etc
the reason Kenny was doing nothing is because you did nothing for him
Did nothing? I saved his son's life, I gave food to his kid, saved his kid again and his wife when bandits invaded us, helped his dying son while he was believing everything was just fine etc. and he still did nothing for me because I didn't agree with him in murdering some guy who might not even be dead or letting some poor girl suffer and be torn apart by shreds or letting some kid fall to his death because he made a mistake etc.
.if you played the right way
There is no right way. Try again troll.
bonnie pulled me out of the water and jane was not there I don't know were jane come in because she left and did not show up until the Russians attacked
and Bonnie and mike stole the truck and was going to leave everyone with the Russians and his supplies.
lol what does this have to do with anything? More irrelevancy by a troll.
if you lost your family twice would you take that from jane I bet not
Actual sane people would realize it was an accident and not try to murder someone for no reason. Losing your family doesn't give you the right to do what ever the hell you want. Try again.
jane will leave you with the baby alone
Baseless assumption
she left her sister to die
She wanted to die.
.big fail very big fail replay the game again
lol no. GTFO. I'll play it the way I want to. Not the way some random little nobody on the internet with little knowledge of the actual game wants me to.
I'm not even going to bother with all that other nonsense you posted in this since you clearly have a misunderstanding of the characters and the events that happened in this game. Since you clearly can't formulate what an opinion is. Since you clearly can't comprehend and which you choose to be ignorant about what this entire game is based on.
the reason Kenny was doing nothing is because you did nothing for him and have his back..you should replay the game and if you have Kenny ba… moreck he will be there for you at every step..if you played the right way Clem dose a lot for herself..Jane always saying she will leave and put you in that spot with the Russians because if you did not steal the supplies the first time clem would know what would happen..jane still took the Russian gun any way I bet you missed that.. she put you in that spot bonnie pulled me out of the water and jane was not there I don't know were jane come in because she left and did not show up until the Russians attacked and Bonnie and mike stole the truck and was going to leave everyone with the Russians and his supplies.. monster that is Kenny that is a joke.. jane put the group in that situation she was wanting that fight and if you lost your family twice would you take that from jane I bet not..at any time jane coul… [view original content]
lol as expected more nonsense and irrelevancy. You come up with anything yet sweetie ? If not than please try to stay on topic until you've thought of a well thought out and intellectual response to support your other baseless response. Mkay.
Oh and nice baseless labeling that had to do with absolutely nothing with the argument in an attempt to insult an entire fanbase based on one person's different opinion than you btw. Immaturity at its finest.
I liked Kenny. Probably it was sentimental... I am not a sensitive person, unless it comes to TWD the game (ekhem... the interactive movie) lol.
I shot him only cause it was an impulse. They were fighting, and I wanted to save both, but grabbed the gun cause this was the most obvious thing for me, and aimed... And just looking away wasn't fair enough for me. So I just pulled the trigger.
And as many youtubers I've seen, I regretted it.
Then I found out that Jane caused this. This was predictable, but I explained my actions above. But I couldn't forgive her... And left alone.
As I finished it yesterday (thanks, steam sale), I still constantly feel urge to replay the ending and go with Kenny. Again, sentimental. But at once I don't want to do this, cause that's what's TWD for you, and I am not sure if I want to ruin the magic of choice.
Kenny was paranoid, too paranoid. He could be jeopardizing Clementine and AJ's safety just by being irrational at times and very,very impulsive. This is not the same Kenny we met back when he had his family. While Jane is a fighter and a survivor, she knows and literally shows Clementine just how dangerous Kenny can be. Can I blame her that she lied about the baby? Partly yes, but in the end she was doing it to protect Clementine in the long run. When all the group decides not to listen to Kenny he still flips them off and does whatever the fuck he wants which in my personal opinion is stupid. Old friendship or not it doesn't give you the right to act as god.
Going off at Jane was more than an impulsive act IMO, as indicated by the line "I aint gonna let you.." line (while stabbing Jane).
Kenny… more knew that Clem being around Jane would eventually also result in a same fate similar to AJ's.. I know alot of people getting pissed by an attempt murder from a character we've known since Season 1. But you're essentially blaming the guy for doing what he though was the only way to protect the only and last person he cares most about in the world (Clem).
Also i wonder if the people who present Kenny as satan himself for that act would also blame Lee for doing the same thing?
As indicated by his talk with Vernon. Lee mentions (determinant) that anyone that tries to get between Clem and him is gonna end up dead. Which was exactly what Jane was up to. What gives you the right to get in between two old companions that survived the ZA for 2 years? She had no right AT ALL, they survived together this long, and they would've been fine without her presence in the future.
I don't hate Kenny. I was ambivalent towards him. He is...a good guy deep down. He cares about Clementine even if he is a hotheaded asshole and has been that way since he and Lee first met (My Lee and Kenny never really got along). He was a broken man, and every step of the way I tried to pull him back in when he went on the deep end. To try and keep all parties calm and contained. It was actually kind of sad the last moment with Kenny and Jane. I had this "I'm sorry Kenny, but this is the way it has to be, thank you for everything"-moment.
Kenny, was in the end, an irrational man with a temper and an aggression problem, he was also extremely prone to violence and would lose his shit and regret it afterward. People speak of loyalty, but that man did his own thing pushing everyone away. I stayed for the killing of Carver, and it was more gruesome than I had expected. I hate Arvo, Mike and Bonnie and I will kill them if the opportunity arises, but I understand them. Kenny was violent, wasting resources by beating up Arvo which in the end caused desperation between him and half the group. Kenny drove them away. I'm not going to forgive them for leaving with everything, but Kenny is not stable, no matter how hard you try to keep him that way. When I convinced him to re-join the group and take control and help Rebecca, I thought it was the redeeming moment, but Jane, in her manipulation, showed me his true colors.
That last moment, not knowing what had happened to AJ, Kenny lounged at her with the intention to kill her. She had no time to explain, he was overcome with rage and fury and even when she sheated her weapon indicating she didn't want to fight him, he jumped her. In the end, Kenny would end up killing a girl who, even if she is flaky, helped me save Sarah and Luke at the trailer park and came back for us with the russians. And for what? Because he doesn't have the self-control to find out what happened before he decides to maim and kill somebody? For all he knew, she might have been jumped by walkers and lost the baby and had to ssave herself. I shot him because I had to, and I asked him in his last moments why he made me do it. And he realizes it in his final moments that he screwed up.
So apart from the obvious "I won't let Kenny kill somebody for no reason", I'm glad I'm with Jane and turned away the family (although the last one I still feel iffy about, not knowing whether it was for the best or not). Kenny is...dangerous and his mood and alignments are shifty at best. If you go against him no matter how much you have supported him earlier he will dislike you, and if he dislikes you, you might risk him turning against you. That wouldn't be too much of a problem if it wasn't for his tendency of fits of rage and his propensity for violence. You screw ut, he gets angry, whatever, you might find yourself at the end of a bludgeoning. He will go down to his knees and cry afterwards, he will apologize and regret. But as he himself said, apologies doesn't change anything. You'd still be dead.
I don't trust him, he's unstable and violent, and even if he "deep down" is a good guy, he's would've gotten me killed. Jane is flaky, but good-natured, and she might leave if things get rough, but she's not gonna smack me down with a lead pipe in a fit of rage. I dislike her for her manipulation, but I understand it, in the end, she only helped me realize what the situation truly was. Unlike Kenny who through his violent behavior made his own prophesies come through.
There was a long time I told myself "he might be a bastard, but he's my bastard", but I realized that wasn't true.
I have only one big thing I didn't like about Kenny is how much he wants everybody to side with him. When I helped Duck at the Hershell's Farm, Kenny considered me a "good friend", but when I disagreed with him a couple times, by S2 he considered Lee as just a good guy in his group who helped his son at the drugstore.
they hate him and me too because he always thinks his desicions are right and everybody else is wrong and if you dont agree with him he hates you for it to be honest he is the last person i would have wanted to continue on into season 2 it should have been lee.
You know, when I think about the whole "leaving Lee to die under a door" thing in Long Road Ahead, was he really trying to leave him to die, or just trying to get a little bit of petty revenge?
Think about it: Kenny has the backpack full of supplies, he's close to the exit, no zombies are currently going for him, and Lee is trapped under a door with all the zombies going for him. He has every reason to just leave right then and there, but he doesn't. He stays in the building, and once Lee pushes the door off himself, he proceeds to call out the fridge to him, and then covers him. Why?
If he really wanted to leave Lee to truly die, why would he stay behind and actually help him to some degree? The only thing he'd be losing is the rifle Lee has. I think he wanted to get a kind of petty revenge on Lee for the meat locker situation. He wasn't planning on truly leaving him to die, just planning on leaving him to suffer a little before he jumped in to help. It's like if your friend got into a fight with someone, and you let them get punched around a bit before you finally jump in and help.
"How does it feel when no one has your back when you need them? Like when you left me to take care of Larry by myself?"
(not trying to defend his actions necessarily, just providing a different way to look at it)
You know, when I think about the whole "leaving Lee to die under a door" thing in Long Road Ahead, was he really trying to leave him to die,… more or just trying to get a little bit of petty revenge?
Think about it: Kenny has the backpack full of supplies, he's close to the exit, no zombies are currently going for him, and Lee is trapped under a door with all the zombies going for him. He has every reason to just leave right then and there, but he doesn't. He stays in the building, and once Lee pushes the door off himself, he proceeds to call out the fridge to him, and then covers him. Why?
If he really wanted to leave Lee to truly die, why would he stay behind and actually help him to some degree? The only thing he'd be losing is the rifle Lee has. I think he wanted to get a kind of petty revenge on Lee for the meat locker situation. He wasn't planning on truly leaving him to die, just planning on leaving him to suffer a little before he jum… [view original content]
I don't hate Kenny. I was ambivalent towards him. He is...a good guy deep down. He cares about Clementine even if he is a hotheaded asshole … moreand has been that way since he and Lee first met (My Lee and Kenny never really got along). He was a broken man, and every step of the way I tried to pull him back in when he went on the deep end. To try and keep all parties calm and contained. It was actually kind of sad the last moment with Kenny and Jane. I had this "I'm sorry Kenny, but this is the way it has to be, thank you for everything"-moment.
Kenny, was in the end, an irrational man with a temper and an aggression problem, he was also extremely prone to violence and would lose his shit and regret it afterward. People speak of loyalty, but that man did his own thing pushing everyone away. I stayed for the killing of Carver, and it was more gruesome than I had expected. I hate Arvo, Mike and Bonnie and I will kill them if the opportunity arise… [view original content]
Perhaps what Kenny did to Lee appeared petty and insignificant to him, but in real life it'd be considered 'murder by inaction'. At that point when Lee was about to be eaten by walkers when trapped under the door, Kenny basically contemplating his desire to see Lee dead over what happened in the past. And he doesn't step in to cover him until it's too long too late when Lee manages to free himself, stands up, and head towards the exit while angrily calling Kenny out for his inaction. He could have covered Lee as soon as Lee was trapped under the door, but chose not to help until Lee had to fix the problem himself.
Thanks to sheer luck that Lee happened to have enough upper-body strength to push himself free. But suppose that Lee did die because Kenny didn't help and he couldn't free himself in time, how would Kenny explain to his group, especially to Clementine, how he abandoned Lee to be devoured when he could have step in to rescue him but didn't?
Basically, to Kenny it was a form of petty revenge. To some players however it was beyond past prettiness and more closer to cruelty and malice.
You know, when I think about the whole "leaving Lee to die under a door" thing in Long Road Ahead, was he really trying to leave him to die,… more or just trying to get a little bit of petty revenge?
Think about it: Kenny has the backpack full of supplies, he's close to the exit, no zombies are currently going for him, and Lee is trapped under a door with all the zombies going for him. He has every reason to just leave right then and there, but he doesn't. He stays in the building, and once Lee pushes the door off himself, he proceeds to call out the fridge to him, and then covers him. Why?
If he really wanted to leave Lee to truly die, why would he stay behind and actually help him to some degree? The only thing he'd be losing is the rifle Lee has. I think he wanted to get a kind of petty revenge on Lee for the meat locker situation. He wasn't planning on truly leaving him to die, just planning on leaving him to suffer a little before he jum… [view original content]
I dont Hate him, but i dont have any respect for him. He is a man who is on the edge, and he cannot see it. He thinks he has all the answers and wont even listen to his companions opinions. He has to be right all of the time, or he flies off the handle. Whether you try to placate him or not. He will get an idea in his head and then theres no convincing him otherwise. Look at the Boat situation.
I was done with him in season 1, and when they brought him back, i did everything i could to distance myself from him. No hugs, no "but hes my friend", nothing supportive of him at all, unless it was something i wouldve done anyways if he wasnt in he picture. And as we went further into season 2, i just knew he would ruin it all for us, and he did. Over and over. I was happy to put him out of all of our misery by the end.
Stupid asshole screams at me for something i had no control over, and then almost lets me freeze to death so he can beat on a 15 yr old. And then, after said 15 yr old shoots me, he starts acting like a child and picking fights with the only other Adult around to help. Then while they are fighting each other, i try to stop them; and then kenny knocks me around . Then he tries to kill jane, no matter what i tried to say.
I dont think it matters why he tried to leave him, just that the thought crossed his mind at all. But if he put Lee in danger just to get some petty revenge, thats even worse than doing it just to save his own bacon.
You know, when I think about the whole "leaving Lee to die under a door" thing in Long Road Ahead, was he really trying to leave him to die,… more or just trying to get a little bit of petty revenge?
Think about it: Kenny has the backpack full of supplies, he's close to the exit, no zombies are currently going for him, and Lee is trapped under a door with all the zombies going for him. He has every reason to just leave right then and there, but he doesn't. He stays in the building, and once Lee pushes the door off himself, he proceeds to call out the fridge to him, and then covers him. Why?
If he really wanted to leave Lee to truly die, why would he stay behind and actually help him to some degree? The only thing he'd be losing is the rifle Lee has. I think he wanted to get a kind of petty revenge on Lee for the meat locker situation. He wasn't planning on truly leaving him to die, just planning on leaving him to suffer a little before he jum… [view original content]
Kenny s personally my favourite character in Season 2 (behind Clementine, of course), but rather than just focus on all the good things about him I also realised why some people dislike him. He's rash, acts without thinking; he's stubborn as hell; he's vengeful and holds grudges; and sometimes he can just be a jerk. Yep, there's a lot to hate about him.
But those things, for me at least, are overshadowed by his other attributes- his loyalty, his compassion, his humanity. His only flaw is that he cares too much about those he loves, and this can make him act without thinking.
As for that fight with Jane: she knew Kenny had lost so much and that losing the baby would push him over the edge; she manipulated that fight in order to kill him and seem as if she was in the right, when she had deceived Clementine and pushed Kenny too far. How anyone can defend her actions is incredible to me. Her logic centres around her selfishness. Kenny is too human- that's his one problem.
Even his line to Lee afterwards seems to back up that he sees it as relatively insignificant in his own mind; "They're everywhere! You took care of yourself, didn't ya?"
He's just like "you're still alive, so why are you complaining"
My point being: his head's so far up his own ass that he's not really acknowledging how dire any of this is. To him, he's getting some small payback; returning the favor. To everyone else, it looks like he's leaving someone to die.
Perhaps what Kenny did to Lee appeared petty and insignificant to him, but in real life it'd be considered 'murder by inaction'. At that poi… morent when Lee was about to be eaten by walkers when trapped under the door, Kenny basically contemplating his desire to see Lee dead over what happened in the past. And he doesn't step in to cover him until it's too long too late when Lee manages to free himself, stands up, and head towards the exit while angrily calling Kenny out for his inaction. He could have covered Lee as soon as Lee was trapped under the door, but chose not to help until Lee had to fix the problem himself.
Thanks to sheer luck that Lee happened to have enough upper-body strength to push himself free. But suppose that Lee did die because Kenny didn't help and he couldn't free himself in time, how would Kenny explain to his group, especially to Clementine, how he abandoned Lee to be devoured when he could have step in to rescue him b… [view original content]
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With all the 'experience' from other mediums, Kenny isn't even that bad when it comes to what he's done
He killed two people in a relatively brutal fashion, and that's literally the worst he's done. Those are his stand-out actions. Characters from other mediums at their absolute least have done even worse than that. Let me emphasize: at their absolute least. For some characters, brutally killing people is them on a good day
If we're putting together a list of "most fucked up, murderous, and/or psychotic individuals" in the franchise, Kenny wouldn't even make the top 10
I don't hate Kenny, i just hate the fan worship.
He barely won a fair fight with an 120lb woman with terrible fighting form.
Did you see her swinging that knife? She gave a very large opening. So Kenny can barely win a fight against a skinny inexperienced woman... What a great fighter.
Plus he's weak. It took him like a whole minute to overpower Jane, who had been laying down and had nearly an 100lb heavier guy trying to thrust a knife into her chest. How did it take him that damn long?
Here we go again. If you have the right answers. There are no right answers. You pick the answers you want based on how you want to experience the game. Kenny did not have my back even when my Lee protected his family and even if you are nice to him, he's still nasty half the time, especially when he's drinking. His loyalty has a price tag.
Calling people stupid for having a different opinion then you? The immaturity of Kenny fans at its finest.
Irrelevant comment is irrelevant. I have actual reasons for hating Kenny btw. Nice job on making such a well thought out and educated response to my argument.
Irrelevant comment is irrelevant. Just like your uneducated argument against me that I should replay a game I am allowed to do what ever I choose to and play the way you want me to. Try again troll,
You want me to elaborate? Bad argument = Bad response
Its the beard, they cant handle it, they cant understand its powers.
My god you won't even bother making counter arguments to my post to support your claim itt's hilarious. Go back to your cave Kenny fanboy, and come back when you've found an actual well thought out and educated argument against me to support your claim instead of just posting random nonsense. This comment is still irrelevant btw.
kenny is the best!!!! i learned to be a fisherman and i went to florida then wrestled and caught an 800-pound marlin with my bare hands and named it in his honor :-)
Jesus Bonnie fanboys are the most aggresive individuals.
I bought a boat and named it after kennys boat.
Well a lot of people DID think Jane needed to die. Its all opinion based and its ok if a large majority of the people here have the same opinion as one another. I do dissagree with how people think him being alive up until s2e5 makes him heroic, i think he is heroic for many different reasons but lifespan means nothing. Carver could have stuck around for both seasons, and it would definitely not be villainous to kill him. I love Kenny but i know there are people who go overly-insane for him and forget his flaws, i dont. I mainly made this comment to say that and that i personally (along with others) really didnt like Jane as a character and wanted her gone
Did nothing? I saved his son's life, I gave food to his kid, saved his kid again and his wife when bandits invaded us, helped his dying son while he was believing everything was just fine etc. and he still did nothing for me because I didn't agree with him in murdering some guy who might not even be dead or letting some poor girl suffer and be torn apart by shreds or letting some kid fall to his death because he made a mistake etc.
There is no right way. Try again troll.
Nice lie
, did you even play the game?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhCda5z-vwQ&index=13&list=PL9MoLfABC7y65dShVq3YXsnpQunoXLCEm
lol what does this have to do with anything? More irrelevancy by a troll.
Actual sane people would realize it was an accident and not try to murder someone for no reason. Losing your family doesn't give you the right to do what ever the hell you want. Try again.
Baseless assumption
She wanted to die.
lol no. GTFO. I'll play it the way I want to. Not the way some random little nobody on the internet with little knowledge of the actual game wants me to.
I'm not even going to bother with all that other nonsense you posted in this since you clearly have a misunderstanding of the characters and the events that happened in this game. Since you clearly can't formulate what an opinion is. Since you clearly can't comprehend and which you choose to be ignorant about what this entire game is based on.
lol fail argument goodbye.
lol as expected more nonsense and irrelevancy. You come up with anything yet sweetie
? If not than please try to stay on topic until you've thought of a well thought out and intellectual response to support your other baseless response. Mkay.
Oh and nice baseless labeling that had to do with absolutely nothing with the argument in an attempt to insult an entire fanbase based on one person's different opinion than you btw. Immaturity at its finest.
I liked Kenny. Probably it was sentimental... I am not a sensitive person, unless it comes to TWD the game (ekhem... the interactive movie) lol.
I shot him only cause it was an impulse. They were fighting, and I wanted to save both, but grabbed the gun cause this was the most obvious thing for me, and aimed... And just looking away wasn't fair enough for me. So I just pulled the trigger.
And as many youtubers I've seen, I regretted it.
Then I found out that Jane caused this. This was predictable, but I explained my actions above. But I couldn't forgive her... And left alone.
As I finished it yesterday (thanks, steam sale), I still constantly feel urge to replay the ending and go with Kenny. Again, sentimental. But at once I don't want to do this, cause that's what's TWD for you, and I am not sure if I want to ruin the magic of choice.
Nice struggle for christmas eve, huh?
Kenny was paranoid, too paranoid. He could be jeopardizing Clementine and AJ's safety just by being irrational at times and very,very impulsive. This is not the same Kenny we met back when he had his family. While Jane is a fighter and a survivor, she knows and literally shows Clementine just how dangerous Kenny can be. Can I blame her that she lied about the baby? Partly yes, but in the end she was doing it to protect Clementine in the long run. When all the group decides not to listen to Kenny he still flips them off and does whatever the fuck he wants which in my personal opinion is stupid. Old friendship or not it doesn't give you the right to act as god.
I don't hate Kenny. I was ambivalent towards him. He is...a good guy deep down. He cares about Clementine even if he is a hotheaded asshole and has been that way since he and Lee first met (My Lee and Kenny never really got along). He was a broken man, and every step of the way I tried to pull him back in when he went on the deep end. To try and keep all parties calm and contained. It was actually kind of sad the last moment with Kenny and Jane. I had this "I'm sorry Kenny, but this is the way it has to be, thank you for everything"-moment.
Kenny, was in the end, an irrational man with a temper and an aggression problem, he was also extremely prone to violence and would lose his shit and regret it afterward. People speak of loyalty, but that man did his own thing pushing everyone away. I stayed for the killing of Carver, and it was more gruesome than I had expected. I hate Arvo, Mike and Bonnie and I will kill them if the opportunity arises, but I understand them. Kenny was violent, wasting resources by beating up Arvo which in the end caused desperation between him and half the group. Kenny drove them away. I'm not going to forgive them for leaving with everything, but Kenny is not stable, no matter how hard you try to keep him that way. When I convinced him to re-join the group and take control and help Rebecca, I thought it was the redeeming moment, but Jane, in her manipulation, showed me his true colors.
That last moment, not knowing what had happened to AJ, Kenny lounged at her with the intention to kill her. She had no time to explain, he was overcome with rage and fury and even when she sheated her weapon indicating she didn't want to fight him, he jumped her. In the end, Kenny would end up killing a girl who, even if she is flaky, helped me save Sarah and Luke at the trailer park and came back for us with the russians. And for what? Because he doesn't have the self-control to find out what happened before he decides to maim and kill somebody? For all he knew, she might have been jumped by walkers and lost the baby and had to ssave herself. I shot him because I had to, and I asked him in his last moments why he made me do it. And he realizes it in his final moments that he screwed up.
So apart from the obvious "I won't let Kenny kill somebody for no reason", I'm glad I'm with Jane and turned away the family (although the last one I still feel iffy about, not knowing whether it was for the best or not). Kenny is...dangerous and his mood and alignments are shifty at best. If you go against him no matter how much you have supported him earlier he will dislike you, and if he dislikes you, you might risk him turning against you. That wouldn't be too much of a problem if it wasn't for his tendency of fits of rage and his propensity for violence. You screw ut, he gets angry, whatever, you might find yourself at the end of a bludgeoning. He will go down to his knees and cry afterwards, he will apologize and regret. But as he himself said, apologies doesn't change anything. You'd still be dead.
I don't trust him, he's unstable and violent, and even if he "deep down" is a good guy, he's would've gotten me killed. Jane is flaky, but good-natured, and she might leave if things get rough, but she's not gonna smack me down with a lead pipe in a fit of rage. I dislike her for her manipulation, but I understand it, in the end, she only helped me realize what the situation truly was. Unlike Kenny who through his violent behavior made his own prophesies come through.
There was a long time I told myself "he might be a bastard, but he's my bastard", but I realized that wasn't true.
Rest in Peace Kenny.
I have only one big thing I didn't like about Kenny is how much he wants everybody to side with him. When I helped Duck at the Hershell's Farm, Kenny considered me a "good friend", but when I disagreed with him a couple times, by S2 he considered Lee as just a good guy in his group who helped his son at the drugstore.
they hate him and me too because he always thinks his desicions are right and everybody else is wrong and if you dont agree with him he hates you for it to be honest he is the last person i would have wanted to continue on into season 2 it should have been lee.
You know, when I think about the whole "leaving Lee to die under a door" thing in Long Road Ahead, was he really trying to leave him to die, or just trying to get a little bit of petty revenge?
Think about it: Kenny has the backpack full of supplies, he's close to the exit, no zombies are currently going for him, and Lee is trapped under a door with all the zombies going for him. He has every reason to just leave right then and there, but he doesn't. He stays in the building, and once Lee pushes the door off himself, he proceeds to call out the fridge to him, and then covers him. Why?
If he really wanted to leave Lee to truly die, why would he stay behind and actually help him to some degree? The only thing he'd be losing is the rifle Lee has. I think he wanted to get a kind of petty revenge on Lee for the meat locker situation. He wasn't planning on truly leaving him to die, just planning on leaving him to suffer a little before he jumped in to help. It's like if your friend got into a fight with someone, and you let them get punched around a bit before you finally jump in and help.
"How does it feel when no one has your back when you need them? Like when you left me to take care of Larry by myself?"
(not trying to defend his actions necessarily, just providing a different way to look at it)
This is close to how I have always interpreted this situation as well. In his mind, he was simply returning Lee the favor.
I totally agree. Plus Jane wasn't the only one that wanted to do something about Kenny. Jane just had the guts to do something about it.
Perhaps what Kenny did to Lee appeared petty and insignificant to him, but in real life it'd be considered 'murder by inaction'. At that point when Lee was about to be eaten by walkers when trapped under the door, Kenny basically contemplating his desire to see Lee dead over what happened in the past. And he doesn't step in to cover him until it's too long too late when Lee manages to free himself, stands up, and head towards the exit while angrily calling Kenny out for his inaction. He could have covered Lee as soon as Lee was trapped under the door, but chose not to help until Lee had to fix the problem himself.
Thanks to sheer luck that Lee happened to have enough upper-body strength to push himself free. But suppose that Lee did die because Kenny didn't help and he couldn't free himself in time, how would Kenny explain to his group, especially to Clementine, how he abandoned Lee to be devoured when he could have step in to rescue him but didn't?
Basically, to Kenny it was a form of petty revenge. To some players however it was beyond past prettiness and more closer to cruelty and malice.
I dont Hate him, but i dont have any respect for him. He is a man who is on the edge, and he cannot see it. He thinks he has all the answers and wont even listen to his companions opinions. He has to be right all of the time, or he flies off the handle. Whether you try to placate him or not. He will get an idea in his head and then theres no convincing him otherwise. Look at the Boat situation.
I was done with him in season 1, and when they brought him back, i did everything i could to distance myself from him. No hugs, no "but hes my friend", nothing supportive of him at all, unless it was something i wouldve done anyways if he wasnt in he picture. And as we went further into season 2, i just knew he would ruin it all for us, and he did. Over and over. I was happy to put him out of all of our misery by the end.
Stupid asshole screams at me for something i had no control over, and then almost lets me freeze to death so he can beat on a 15 yr old. And then, after said 15 yr old shoots me, he starts acting like a child and picking fights with the only other Adult around to help. Then while they are fighting each other, i try to stop them; and then kenny knocks me around . Then he tries to kill jane, no matter what i tried to say.
He was too far gone, so i killed him. No regrets.
I dont think it matters why he tried to leave him, just that the thought crossed his mind at all. But if he put Lee in danger just to get some petty revenge, thats even worse than doing it just to save his own bacon.
Kenny s personally my favourite character in Season 2 (behind Clementine, of course), but rather than just focus on all the good things about him I also realised why some people dislike him. He's rash, acts without thinking; he's stubborn as hell; he's vengeful and holds grudges; and sometimes he can just be a jerk. Yep, there's a lot to hate about him.
But those things, for me at least, are overshadowed by his other attributes- his loyalty, his compassion, his humanity. His only flaw is that he cares too much about those he loves, and this can make him act without thinking.
As for that fight with Jane: she knew Kenny had lost so much and that losing the baby would push him over the edge; she manipulated that fight in order to kill him and seem as if she was in the right, when she had deceived Clementine and pushed Kenny too far. How anyone can defend her actions is incredible to me. Her logic centres around her selfishness. Kenny is too human- that's his one problem.
Kenny= 100% controversy
BTW I left Wellington if anyone's curious on my ending.
And she was the one trying to tell Clementine that she could bring Kenny back from the dark path he's in.
Even his line to Lee afterwards seems to back up that he sees it as relatively insignificant in his own mind; "They're everywhere! You took care of yourself, didn't ya?"
He's just like "you're still alive, so why are you complaining"
My point being: his head's so far up his own ass that he's not really acknowledging how dire any of this is. To him, he's getting some small payback; returning the favor. To everyone else, it looks like he's leaving someone to die.
Yeah and in the end he was a lost cause.