Yeah because Doug was black...oh wait. To the writer's credit they made a character of color who we all seemed to bond with. So his race really did not matter...how he was written was key. Trying to pin Clementine's race mixture down.all I can come up with is afro/asian fusion with some bubba thrown in along the way...still equals out to sweet pea.
I don't think race should have anything to do with it, be you white, black, yellow or pink with red spots. Of course, that is in an ideal world but we don't live in an ideal world.
You could have the same argument with Clementine of course. Many on here still don't believe shes mixed race, and prefer to say shes white.
In fact, I had someone turn round this very night and seeing her for the first time, said she was Chinese. So people will see what they want to.
At the end of the day, it's the quality of the game that matters not what race the characters are. I couldn't give two monkeys if Clementine was pink with yellow stripes had one arm, one leg and a third eye in her forehead. It wouldn't make me care for her any less.
I think Lee called him a racist as a reason to hide his past, because larry was an ass because of that.
So he made it up and explained larry was so angry because he was racist
* There might have been less people assuming Clementine was his daughter. Obviously, she could still be for a variety of reasons, but there … morewas an active effort to make Clementine look like she was Lee's daughter.
* Maybe Larry wouldn't be as much of a prick towards him. While not overtly racist, there are a few things Larry says that kind of go in that direction, but more than that I also have a hard time believing that Lee would say that to Mark just to talk shit about Larry. If he thinks Larry's a racist bastard, he's probably got good reason to think so.
* Every single character except for Clementine and Andre (who barely counts) in the first two episodes and most of three would have been white, finally changing when Omid and Christa showed up.
Other than that, I can't really think of anything that'd be all that different story-wise as a result of him being white rather than black, assuming that he's still a university profess… [view original content]
Possibly. Originally, I thought that options that were intended to be lies usually informed us of that in parentheses, but I just remembered the option to say we have no idea what Larry's problem is doesn't have that, and that's clearly a lie, so you're probably right on that one.
I think Lee called him a racist as a reason to hide his past, because larry was an ass because of that.
So he made it up and explained larry was so angry because he was racist
Of course the game the game is cannoned with the comics. Why do we have a skinny Hershel and Glen? Also, the police officer mentions the story of Thomas, who is a prisoner in the comics that kills women, to lee.
Unfortunately, that's what Walter White became, a monster.
He went from being decent, to being a greedy, power-hungry crimelord who was willing to do whatever it took to either enrich himself, or protect what he already gained.
I think the biggest lesson that Breaking Bad taught was that no matter how desperate you are, crime is never the answer.
As even if you do survive, you'll not only lose everything you care about, but you'll also lose yourself and who you are.
And that's exactly what happened to Walter White!
In other words, no matter the temporary gain, the pricetag for it will be astronomical, and in reality is just not worth it.
I don't think race should have anything to do with it, be you white, black, yellow or pink with red spots. Of course, that is in an ideal wo… morerld but we don't live in an ideal world.
You could have the same argument with Clementine of course. Many on here still don't believe shes mixed race, and prefer to say shes white.
In fact, I had someone turn round this very night and seeing her for the first time, said she was Chinese. So people will see what they want to.
At the end of the day, it's the quality of the game that matters not what race the characters are. I couldn't give two monkeys if Clementine was pink with yellow stripes had one arm, one leg and a third eye in her forehead. It wouldn't make me care for her any less.
I think it's because Fennoy changed his tone of how he speaks when voicing Bluebeard. Less African American Man-ish. Not trying to look racist (I'm Black myself to be honest)
I disagree with most people in this thread...sort of. I think that Lee being white instead of black shouldn’t have an effect on the game, in terms of how characters treat Lee or how Lee treats other characters. Also, obviously, I think everyone here (myself included) wouldn’t treat Lee any differently if he were white rather than black. However, saying “Lee being white instead of black wouldn’t make any difference at all,” is, I think, incredibly idealistic thinking, when we’re considering how other characters/people may have treated Lee throughout his life. Saying “Lee being white is the same as Lee being black” is the same as saying, “race doesn’t matter,” and this statement is kind of the same as implying that “racism doesn’t exist anymore” when it in fact, does. If you want to go for realism here, then that idealistic type of thinking isn’t exactly spot on.
Now if Lee were white, then of course he could’ve been exactly the same as the black-Lee. Of course he could’ve taken care of Clem with the same amount of care and affection as when he’s black.
But in considering a white-Lee vs. a black-Lee, I have to wonder how Lee could’ve been affected personality-wise, e.g. as a child in school. One thing I found on the wiki (though idk where they say this in the game; anyone know where?) is that Lee’s brother, B. Everett, when he was young, was apparently “bullied constantly based on his skin color, but one day, he fought back, giving them a big beating, regaining his confidence.” http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/B._Everett
Assuming this quote is true, I wonder if Lee could’ve faced similar issues when he was little, which is very possible, given brothers usually go to the same grade-schools…and I wonder if Lee would’ve faced the same issues, growing up in the same school, if he were white....
Someone also mentioned that we should remember Lee was a university professor. From this, we know Lee had to have been educated fairly well. This doesn’t really tell us much about Lee’s upbringing though. Now, it could have been, if Lee were black, that he as a child attended a good school where the teachers and fellow students supported him and believed in him, and he believed in himself, and he succeeded and pursued his career in academia because of this. It could also have been, if Lee were black, that he went to a worse school where the teachers and fellow students did not support him or believe in him, and they didn’t believe he would have the capability or the intelligence to do well, all assuming this from the color of his skin. However, as he still became a university teacher, he still must have overcome these obstacles to succeed. But it would have been harder to do so in the second scenario, and it would have been harder mostly because of his race, in that situation.
One particular, real-life individual who comes to mind when considering this thread and these situations is one David Oyelowo, a famous black actor recently known for playing Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. in the 2015 Best Picture Oscar-nominated film, “Selma.”
Oyelowo has a unique background in that he was born in the UK to Nigerian-emigrated parents, and he’s descended from Nigerian royalty (though he never saw money or any positional titles from this.) Oyelowo never believed his father when he said they were descended from royalty, but when they moved back to Nigeria, he found himself living on a street named after his family, and living in a compound named after his family, and found his father hadn't been fibbing. It was a strange thing for him to adapt to. Then he moved back to the UK, back into a school where he was surrounded by the inner-city black youth of London…and he was bullied--punched, and spat upon--by the other black students who thought he thought he was better than them. He says:
“In the UK, the reason I was being called a ‘coconut’ (black on the outside, white on the inside) is because to be black in the inner city school that I was going to was to be abusive to the teachers, to be getting as many girls pregnant as you possibly can, to be in trouble with the law—these were all things that were badges of honor where I grew up in North London. So to be a kid who wore his uniform correctly, who was respectful to his teachers, who put his head down and did his work, somehow I was trying to be something other than what I am supposed to be…It really confused me because here I am, literally having come back from the so-called motherland, and I had other people who looked like me saying that I was trying to not be what it is to be black, but that’s because they had taken on a false notion of what that should mean.”
Hopefully you guys can see where I’m going with this (whoever takes the time to read this all.) Oyelowo is unique in that he grew up in two different environments—1) one where he was treated as royalty, and a respectable human-being where his skin color didn’t matter (you could argue he was treated as if he was white), and 2) one where he was treated as a typical black boy in the inner-city, where people made generalizations of him from his skin color. He was the same person in both scenarios. But he knew --he realized --that there were some differences going on here, in how people were treating him. He also says this:
”To know you came from a lineage of kings…it makes you get out of your bed a very different way than if you feel like today is yet another fight. So that is something I carry with me that I know has been of huge benefit as a result of my family and where I’m from.”
He says his family and where he's from played a big part in his development.
Many black individuals like Oyelowo know they are better than the black stereotype. However, not all black individuals have this luxury, or this education. It is easy to fall into the mentality that because you are black, you are a bad student, you will never succeed, you can never get ahead in life, when every single person you know says that to you 24/7, and you start telling yourself the same thing. This is how sadly, many black youths think, when in reality they are capable of so much more. We do not know if black-Lee ever thought in this negative way, but it’s possible he could have. And if he did, then he rose above this mentality to become a professor of American history too.
But this is not a situation a child white-Lee is likely to have gone through in Macon, Georgia, where others would look down on his intellectual abilities because of his race. It is much more likely for it to have happened if Lee were black. Thus, these different experiences can possibly result in two different Lees, because of race. So yes, if Lee had been white, there could have been differences compared to him being black.
On a slightly separate note, saying, "Lee would be the same if he were white or black" is the same as saying, “race doesn’t matter,” and these statements are wrong in a different way. Everyone has cultural, positive differences that shouldn't be ignored, but should rather be celebrated and embraced. When you say "race doesn't matter" you're implying that you're ignoring positive differences too rather than celebrating/embracing them. I think what people mean to say is, "Race shouldn't matter, when it comes to our negative differences and how we treat each other." But saying "race doesn't matter" could be mistaken for saying something like, “There are no pieces of art or music or positive differences that come out of different cultures” or it could even be mistaken for saying something like, "Racism doesn't exist anymore" when these statements are not true.
Summary: Whether Lee is black or white should not make a difference in the game, or in Lee’s character in terms of how characters treat each other. However, to say that there is absolutely 100% no difference between a white-Lee and a black-Lee is incredibly idealistic thinking to the point of being unrealistic. The things Lee could have had to deal with in his past, such as his education or bullying when he was young, could have been affected by his race. A famous black actor, David Oyelowo, is unique in that he’s had two perspectives in two very different environments of 1) being treated negatively based on his race, and 2) being treated like royalty, treated like a human-being, not based on his race, and he recognizes that those two very different environments can produce very different individuals. So if Lee had been white, there might not have been differences, but there also could have been differences too. Also, the statement "Lee would be the same if he was black or white" implies statements like, "Race doesn’t matter”, "Racism doesn’t exist anymore,” and also “There are no positive things that come out of different races' cultures, like different works of art,” and none of these things are true.
You could have the same argument with Clementine of course. Many on here still don't believe shes mixed race, and prefer to say shes white.
Pretty sure this was tackled by members of telltale staff already, where the hell have you been the past three years? Clementine is black, not mixed, not swirled, not white. Just an FYI.
I had someone turn round this very night and seeing her for the first time, said she was Chinese. So people will see what they want to.
I don't think race should have anything to do with it, be you white, black, yellow or pink with red spots. Of course, that is in an ideal wo… morerld but we don't live in an ideal world.
You could have the same argument with Clementine of course. Many on here still don't believe shes mixed race, and prefer to say shes white.
In fact, I had someone turn round this very night and seeing her for the first time, said she was Chinese. So people will see what they want to.
At the end of the day, it's the quality of the game that matters not what race the characters are. I couldn't give two monkeys if Clementine was pink with yellow stripes had one arm, one leg and a third eye in her forehead. It wouldn't make me care for her any less.
Yeah because Doug was black...oh wait. To the writer's credit they made a character of color who we all seemed to bond with. So his race r… moreeally did not matter...how he was written was key. Trying to pin Clementine's race mixture down.all I can come up with is afro/asian fusion with some bubba thrown in along the way...still equals out to sweet pea.
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He wouldn't enter Clem's house? Wow, no, scratch that.
Carley wouldn't help white Lee. She liked black guys.
Yeah because Doug was black...oh wait. To the writer's credit they made a character of color who we all seemed to bond with. So his race really did not matter...how he was written was key. Trying to pin Clementine's race mixture down.all I can come up with is afro/asian fusion with some bubba thrown in along the way...still equals out to sweet pea.
Jesus Christ.... That's... Horrifying....
I don't think race should have anything to do with it, be you white, black, yellow or pink with red spots. Of course, that is in an ideal world but we don't live in an ideal world.
You could have the same argument with Clementine of course. Many on here still don't believe shes mixed race, and prefer to say shes white.
In fact, I had someone turn round this very night and seeing her for the first time, said she was Chinese. So people will see what they want to.
At the end of the day, it's the quality of the game that matters not what race the characters are. I couldn't give two monkeys if Clementine was pink with yellow stripes had one arm, one leg and a third eye in her forehead. It wouldn't make me care for her any less.
I think Lee called him a racist as a reason to hide his past, because larry was an ass because of that.
So he made it up and explained larry was so angry because he was racist
Possibly. Originally, I thought that options that were intended to be lies usually informed us of that in parentheses, but I just remembered the option to say we have no idea what Larry's problem is doesn't have that, and that's clearly a lie, so you're probably right on that one.
They're there to simply pay homage to the comics
I would think perhaps Donald Sutherland, from the Hunger games.
Unfortunately, that's what Walter White became, a monster.
He went from being decent, to being a greedy, power-hungry crimelord who was willing to do whatever it took to either enrich himself, or protect what he already gained.
I think the biggest lesson that Breaking Bad taught was that no matter how desperate you are, crime is never the answer.
As even if you do survive, you'll not only lose everything you care about, but you'll also lose yourself and who you are.
And that's exactly what happened to Walter White!
In other words, no matter the temporary gain, the pricetag for it will be astronomical, and in reality is just not worth it.
From the picture of her folks, she looks fully black to me.
That seems likely. But that is evidence enough that its cannoned with the comics
Bluebeard always looked kinda mixed to me.
Is... Is this a serious question?
Exactly!
You know how ridiculous I looked when I found out that this guy is the same guy that played as
I've watched this show before knowing about Breaking Bad. I feel dumb!
I think it's because Fennoy changed his tone of how he speaks when voicing Bluebeard. Less African American Man-ish. Not trying to look racist (I'm Black myself to be honest)
Okay...I got a long one for you guys.
I disagree with most people in this thread...sort of. I think that Lee being white instead of black shouldn’t have an effect on the game, in terms of how characters treat Lee or how Lee treats other characters. Also, obviously, I think everyone here (myself included) wouldn’t treat Lee any differently if he were white rather than black. However, saying “Lee being white instead of black wouldn’t make any difference at all,” is, I think, incredibly idealistic thinking, when we’re considering how other characters/people may have treated Lee throughout his life. Saying “Lee being white is the same as Lee being black” is the same as saying, “race doesn’t matter,” and this statement is kind of the same as implying that “racism doesn’t exist anymore” when it in fact, does. If you want to go for realism here, then that idealistic type of thinking isn’t exactly spot on.
Now if Lee were white, then of course he could’ve been exactly the same as the black-Lee. Of course he could’ve taken care of Clem with the same amount of care and affection as when he’s black.
But in considering a white-Lee vs. a black-Lee, I have to wonder how Lee could’ve been affected personality-wise, e.g. as a child in school. One thing I found on the wiki (though idk where they say this in the game; anyone know where?) is that Lee’s brother, B. Everett, when he was young, was apparently “bullied constantly based on his skin color, but one day, he fought back, giving them a big beating, regaining his confidence.” http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/B._Everett
Assuming this quote is true, I wonder if Lee could’ve faced similar issues when he was little, which is very possible, given brothers usually go to the same grade-schools…and I wonder if Lee would’ve faced the same issues, growing up in the same school, if he were white....
Someone also mentioned that we should remember Lee was a university professor. From this, we know Lee had to have been educated fairly well. This doesn’t really tell us much about Lee’s upbringing though. Now, it could have been, if Lee were black, that he as a child attended a good school where the teachers and fellow students supported him and believed in him, and he believed in himself, and he succeeded and pursued his career in academia because of this. It could also have been, if Lee were black, that he went to a worse school where the teachers and fellow students did not support him or believe in him, and they didn’t believe he would have the capability or the intelligence to do well, all assuming this from the color of his skin. However, as he still became a university teacher, he still must have overcome these obstacles to succeed. But it would have been harder to do so in the second scenario, and it would have been harder mostly because of his race, in that situation.
One particular, real-life individual who comes to mind when considering this thread and these situations is one David Oyelowo, a famous black actor recently known for playing Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. in the 2015 Best Picture Oscar-nominated film, “Selma.”
Oyelowo has a unique background in that he was born in the UK to Nigerian-emigrated parents, and he’s descended from Nigerian royalty (though he never saw money or any positional titles from this.) Oyelowo never believed his father when he said they were descended from royalty, but when they moved back to Nigeria, he found himself living on a street named after his family, and living in a compound named after his family, and found his father hadn't been fibbing. It was a strange thing for him to adapt to. Then he moved back to the UK, back into a school where he was surrounded by the inner-city black youth of London…and he was bullied--punched, and spat upon--by the other black students who thought he thought he was better than them. He says:
Hopefully you guys can see where I’m going with this (whoever takes the time to read this all.) Oyelowo is unique in that he grew up in two different environments—1) one where he was treated as royalty, and a respectable human-being where his skin color didn’t matter (you could argue he was treated as if he was white), and 2) one where he was treated as a typical black boy in the inner-city, where people made generalizations of him from his skin color. He was the same person in both scenarios. But he knew --he realized --that there were some differences going on here, in how people were treating him. He also says this:
Source of quotes and full interview: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=409718943&live=1
He says his family and where he's from played a big part in his development.
Many black individuals like Oyelowo know they are better than the black stereotype. However, not all black individuals have this luxury, or this education. It is easy to fall into the mentality that because you are black, you are a bad student, you will never succeed, you can never get ahead in life, when every single person you know says that to you 24/7, and you start telling yourself the same thing. This is how sadly, many black youths think, when in reality they are capable of so much more. We do not know if black-Lee ever thought in this negative way, but it’s possible he could have. And if he did, then he rose above this mentality to become a professor of American history too.
But this is not a situation a child white-Lee is likely to have gone through in Macon, Georgia, where others would look down on his intellectual abilities because of his race. It is much more likely for it to have happened if Lee were black. Thus, these different experiences can possibly result in two different Lees, because of race. So yes, if Lee had been white, there could have been differences compared to him being black.
On a slightly separate note, saying, "Lee would be the same if he were white or black" is the same as saying, “race doesn’t matter,” and these statements are wrong in a different way. Everyone has cultural, positive differences that shouldn't be ignored, but should rather be celebrated and embraced. When you say "race doesn't matter" you're implying that you're ignoring positive differences too rather than celebrating/embracing them. I think what people mean to say is, "Race shouldn't matter, when it comes to our negative differences and how we treat each other." But saying "race doesn't matter" could be mistaken for saying something like, “There are no pieces of art or music or positive differences that come out of different cultures” or it could even be mistaken for saying something like, "Racism doesn't exist anymore" when these statements are not true.
Summary: Whether Lee is black or white should not make a difference in the game, or in Lee’s character in terms of how characters treat each other. However, to say that there is absolutely 100% no difference between a white-Lee and a black-Lee is incredibly idealistic thinking to the point of being unrealistic. The things Lee could have had to deal with in his past, such as his education or bullying when he was young, could have been affected by his race. A famous black actor, David Oyelowo, is unique in that he’s had two perspectives in two very different environments of 1) being treated negatively based on his race, and 2) being treated like royalty, treated like a human-being, not based on his race, and he recognizes that those two very different environments can produce very different individuals. So if Lee had been white, there might not have been differences, but there also could have been differences too. Also, the statement "Lee would be the same if he was black or white" implies statements like, "Race doesn’t matter”, "Racism doesn’t exist anymore,” and also “There are no positive things that come out of different races' cultures, like different works of art,” and none of these things are true.
Pretty sure this was tackled by members of telltale staff already, where the hell have you been the past three years? Clementine is black, not mixed, not swirled, not white. Just an FYI.
Doesn't change facts.
But there was a black Doug
he would have had sex with a rhino