This won't happen sadly but i'd laugh if they made his determinant status last all through season 3 as well and although dead in your game, you'd have to put up with constantly hearing about him haha. Shame TTG can't effectively make 2 entirely different stories due to how much work it would be
He's dead now in my story and is now a determinant in everyone else's... His stranglehold on the franchise is about done and shit like that won't be happening for much longer for people that did choose to go with him.
And you seem just as invested in making accusations about me as you feel I do about Ken. Either way, Kenny-boy is a character who I very intensely distain so either way, it should make no difference to you whether one person hates a character you happen to love. I've never stated In any post that anyone who likes him is awful, like him if you want.
I truly hope there is another character they bring in that you hate as much as Kenny. Im sure there will be someone. Maybe then we won't hear haters like you talking shit about him all the time lol
I'd laugh if he died in the first scene of season three. Probably won't happen, but I'd love to see a handful of people complain about how the "best character" bit the dust before his first three sentences were given.
This won't happen sadly but i'd laugh if they made his determinant status last all through season 3 as well and although dead in your game, … moreyou'd have to put up with constantly hearing about him haha. Shame TTG can't effectively make 2 entirely different stories due to how much work it would be
Well we have to assume during the 3 month time jump in season 1 that they bonded then. Besides, i think its more of the fact that they have been around each other a lot in season 1 as to why they are close in season 2.
Just because they conversed off-screen it doesn't mean that we're meant to fill in the blanks with Clementine and Kenny bonding. Sure they've spent three months together, but when Kenny speaks to Clementine on-screen in a minimum of two instances compared to other characters, it's hard to imagine that Clementine and Kenny are supposed to be "close" as the narrative describes, and their relationship in Season 2 ends up looking forced as a result.
Besides, if we're taking time scale of Clementine and another person bonding together off-screen, then Christa and Omid have spent more time off-screen with her for much longer than Kenny ever did. Omid spent eight months with her before dying, and Christa spent two years with her before disappearing. The idea that Clementine has a bond with Kenny, and not with either Christa or Omid, is baffling, especially when Kenny is shown to have only spoken to her at least twice in Season 1.
Well we have to assume during the 3 month time jump in season 1 that they bonded then. Besides, i think its more of the fact that they have … morebeen around each other a lot in season 1 as to why they are close in season 2. He's the closest thing she has to Lee in season 2 whether people like it or not
Yeah, because we all know it's definitely not a grown man's fault for failing to control his anger and end up accidentally hitting a girl he's supposed to be protecting.
Yeah, because we all know it's definitely not a grown man's fault for failing to control his anger and end up accidentally hitting a girl he's supposed to be protecting.
I think Clementine literally does not say one word to Kenny in season 1, and Kenny speaks to her once saying something like 'get on' at the motor inn. Not to mention the fact that he determinantly refuses to save her from the stranger.
The only thing I'm questioning is the Kenny loves Clementine thing, how do we truly know this? Especially when the two individuals barely in… moreteracted with one another in Season One, in Season Two they were only together for less than a week and automatically were forced to bond by the plot, I'm not saying Kenny doesn't love Clementine but it just doesn't sound like love to me if they seem to barely know each other, Lee is really the only reason the two are close in any way.
I think Clementine literally does not say one word to Kenny in season 1, and Kenny speaks to her once saying something like 'get on' at the motor inn. Not to mention the fact that he determinantly refuses to save her from the stranger.
I'd laugh if he died in the first scene of season three. Probably won't happen, but I'd love to see a handful of people complain about how the "best character" bit the dust before his first three sentences were given.
Well...invested in defending him from you and the haters actually but he's not a wanker in my opinion, friend. At least i would be capable of forgiving someone for bad choices or if they act like an asshole. I'm a forgiving person. Something the haters should consider.
And no man believe it or not i respect the haters opinions for not liking him, it's yours/their choice and maybe i do sound like i don't like people who hate him but thats not actually the case. I will however defend him when people talk shit about him
Kenny's a fucking wanker, friend.
And you seem just as invested in making accusations about me as you feel I do about Ken. Either way, Ke… morenny-boy is a character who I very intensely distain so either way, it should make no difference to you whether one person hates a character you happen to love. I've never stated In any post that anyone who likes him is awful, like him if you want.
I just don't.
You could also consider the fact she was close to Duck meant she felt that seeing Ken again brought back those memories.
Well its like i said, either way, Kenny was as close to Lee as she could get after Christa and Omid. What i think should have happened in season 2 when she saw Kenny again is depending on how Lee and Kenny's friendship went in season 1, Clem should appear happy or not bothered and have 2 completely different personalities on how she treats him
Well we have to assume during the 3 month time jump in season 1 that they bonded then. Besides, i think its more of the fact that they have … morebeen around each other a lot in season 1 as to why they are close in season 2.
Just because they conversed off-screen it doesn't mean that we're meant to fill in the blanks with Clementine and Kenny bonding. Sure they've spent three months together, but when Kenny speaks to Clementine on-screen in a minimum of two instances compared to other characters, it's hard to imagine that Clementine and Kenny are supposed to be "close" as the narrative describes, and their relationship in Season 2 ends up looking forced as a result.
Besides, if we're taking time scale of Clementine and another person bonding together off-screen, then Christa and Omid have spent more time off-screen with her for much longer than Kenny ever did. Omid spent eight months with her before dying, and Christa spent two years wit… [view original content]
And that's fine and dandy that you're so forgiving of people. But there's a huge difference in forgiving someone for making a mistake, and then forgiving someone's entire character flaw or flaws constantly and without question.
Well...invested in defending him from you and the haters actually but he's not a wanker in my opinion, friend. At least i would be capable o… moref forgiving someone for bad choices or if they act like an asshole. I'm a forgiving person. Something the haters should consider.
And no man believe it or not i respect the haters opinions for not liking him, it's yours/their choice and maybe i do sound like i don't like people who hate him but thats not actually the case. I will however defend him when people talk shit about him
Not really. I have friend who is extremely selfish and only nice when it suits him. He had a tough upbringing. It may not make him Mr nice guy of the year but i understand what he's been through and i see through his flaws and stand by him and try to tell him not to be selfish or horrible at times. That's what friends do and i see nothing wrong in forgiving someone's entire character as you say but ah well that's just you i guess so fair enough
And that's fine and dandy that you're so forgiving of people. But there's a huge difference in forgiving someone for making a mistake, and then forgiving someone's entire character flaw or flaws constantly and without question.
Yeah I agree pretty much. Even if Kenny and Lee weren't close, Clementine should probably still be happy to see him considering they were part of the same crew for a pretty long time and both likely presumed the other dead. Man I don't know why it bothers people so much that Kenny and Clementine didn't talk much in season 1 but did talk a lot in season 2. I don't remember any closeness between Nick and Sarah, but obviously if their whole crew died and it was just them and another crew then they would talk a lot more.
You could also consider the fact she was close to Duck meant she felt that seeing Ken again brought back those memories.
Well its like i sa… moreid, either way, Kenny was as close to Lee as she could get after Christa and Omid. What i think should have happened in season 2 when she saw Kenny again is depending on how Lee and Kenny's friendship went in season 1, Clem should appear happy or not bothered and have 2 completely different personalities on how she treats him
Yeah I agree pretty much. Even if Kenny and Lee weren't close, Clementine should probably still be happy to see him considering they were pa… morert of the same crew for a pretty long time and both likely presumed the other dead. Man I don't know why it bothers people so much that Kenny and Clementine didn't talk much in season 1 but did talk a lot in season 2. I don't remember any closeness between Nick and Sarah, but obviously if their whole crew died and it was just them and another crew then they would talk a lot more.
Again, that's great and all that you stick by someone who is selfish. However, I don't. I wouldn't.
A friend isn't truly a friend if they're only thinking of themselves and not concerned with others. I myself can be a bit cold and distant, but I'd never bring harm upon someone I consider a friend because of some contrived self-centered reason.
And that is the definition of Kenny, a fair-weather friend. Someone who will speak with passion about people he thinks are close to him but actions speak far louder than words and time in and time out Kenny has proven without reasonable doubt that he is not truly trust worthy. But if people are willing to stick by people like him, they'll always have their audience to play and manipulate.
Not really. I have friend who is extremely selfish and only nice when it suits him. He had a tough upbringing. It may not make him Mr nice g… moreuy of the year but i understand what he's been through and i see through his flaws and stand by him and try to tell him not to be selfish or horrible at times. That's what friends do and i see nothing wrong in forgiving someone's entire character as you say but ah well that's just you i guess so fair enough
I'd laugh if he died in the first scene of season three. Probably won't happen, but I'd love to see a handful of people complain about how the "best character" bit the dust before his first three sentences were given.
True but when you've known the friend all your life and connected with your family due to parents being friends too? its kind of hard to not stay friends to be fair.
So is that what you think they do? Play and manipulate us fans and you think we are idiots playing into their hands just because we have different opinions? Yeah? Ok fair enough if you think Kenny fans are dickheads. You probably don't like me for it but as i have said time and time again, fans that like Kenny such as myself feel an attachment to him because of the season 1 history, especially those that agreed with some or most of his choices, good or bad. As you know, i "mostly" agreed with his choices. I felt the same attachment to Omid and Christa, and they weren't even around as long as Kenny was.
I liked Katjaa and Duck, in my game i looked out for his family, yes there were many times he was selfish and only thought of them and himself instead of Lee and the others but again i looked past that because it was his family after all. I felt bad when he lost his family, it was understandable how he was feeling and took it out on Lee but I didn't hate him for that. I've known lots of people with short tempers who don't mean to be horrible to people they care about and that is exactly how it is with Kenny. I still felt he redeemed himself at the end of season 1 whether it was the Ben or Christa scenario.
Jane never ever would have done that for anyone. She'd have pulled a Molly and just selfishly left most likely. Despite Kenny's flaws, i always felt he was a damn more caring person that Jane ever was as proven at the end of season 1 and the Wellington ending of season 2. In fact he gave more of a damn about Clem than anyone in season 2 in my opinion. Did Jane protect Clem from Carver over the radio thing? Nope. She insisted on leaving Sarah behind in the trailer park just because "she couldn't be helped" when actually she could have "done the right thing". Even if she was saved the first time, she reluctantly tried to help her but still didn't want to. Then faking a baby's death to make a point to Clem actually putting her in danger and upsetting a man who was already unstable and being pushed over the edge (he could have had brain damage after his eye bashing, ever thought thats why Kenny changed dramatically in Ep4 and 5??). Her actions were selfish and stupid and what's to say she wouldn't pull the same crap again in another situation with Clem that could put her in more danger?
You've heard all this before and sorry for the long post but i felt like putting it all here again. I guess i'm going to get a backlash but oh well.
Again, that's great and all that you stick by someone who is selfish. However, I don't. I wouldn't.
A friend isn't truly a friend if they… more're only thinking of themselves and not concerned with others. I myself can be a bit cold and distant, but I'd never bring harm upon someone I consider a friend because of some contrived self-centered reason.
And that is the definition of Kenny, a fair-weather friend. Someone who will speak with passion about people he thinks are close to him but actions speak far louder than words and time in and time out Kenny has proven without reasonable doubt that he is not truly trust worthy. But if people are willing to stick by people like him, they'll always have their audience to play and manipulate.
Anyway man I don't wanna argue with you anymore. I think as you agree it's been done to death. We'll leave our opinions at that and i wom't harrass you again
Again, that's great and all that you stick by someone who is selfish. However, I don't. I wouldn't.
A friend isn't truly a friend if they… more're only thinking of themselves and not concerned with others. I myself can be a bit cold and distant, but I'd never bring harm upon someone I consider a friend because of some contrived self-centered reason.
And that is the definition of Kenny, a fair-weather friend. Someone who will speak with passion about people he thinks are close to him but actions speak far louder than words and time in and time out Kenny has proven without reasonable doubt that he is not truly trust worthy. But if people are willing to stick by people like him, they'll always have their audience to play and manipulate.
This won't happen sadly but i'd laugh if they made his determinant status last all through season 3 as well and although dead in your game, … moreyou'd have to put up with constantly hearing about him haha. Shame TTG can't effectively make 2 entirely different stories due to how much work it would be
To be fair, Clementine kind of deserved it in this situation. I am in NO WAY advocating child abuse. I have lived through an abusive father, I grew up with it, and I don't think kids deserve any abusive treatment. But Arvo screwed everyone over in that scene, especially Luke (and Bonnie if you gave up on Luke like I did.). Arvo deserved every punch he got, and Clem was getting in the way. I love Clem, I mean, not as much as I loved Jane, Sarah and Luke of course, but it was fucking ridiculous of her not to let Kenny end it all right there. The group had what they needed, they didn't have to "Risk becoming murderers" because they already killed a lot of Carver's group, a bunch of bandits in Season 1, and all of Arvo's friends, and Arvo was useless to them at that point. Clem deserved that hit to the face purely because she was trying to stop something that seriously needed to be done.
How did Arvo screw everyone over? He did exactly what he said he was going to, led them to shelter and food. It wasnt good enough for his highness so he had a typical over the top reaction. Saying Arvo deserved to be beaten to death for it is ludicrous, or are you advocating that they should have just executed him on the spot? Whatever you feel about Arvo, saying Clementine deserved to get punch in the face, I cant even fathom this.
To be fair, Clementine kind of deserved it in this situation. I am in NO WAY advocating child abuse. I have lived through an abusive father,… more I grew up with it, and I don't think kids deserve any abusive treatment. But Arvo screwed everyone over in that scene, especially Luke (and Bonnie if you gave up on Luke like I did.). Arvo deserved every punch he got, and Clem was getting in the way. I love Clem, I mean, not as much as I loved Jane, Sarah and Luke of course, but it was fucking ridiculous of her not to let Kenny end it all right there. The group had what they needed, they didn't have to "Risk becoming murderers" because they already killed a lot of Carver's group, a bunch of bandits in Season 1, and all of Arvo's friends, and Arvo was useless to them at that point. Clem deserved that hit to the face purely because she was trying to stop something that seriously needed to be done.
He ran across the lake, making everyone panic and run too. And then of course, no one was paying attention to Luke, which got him killed.
It wasnt good enough for his highness so he had a typical over the top reaction.
Look, I hate Kenny as much as the next guy, but he was in the right to have that reaction. Arvo indirectly got Luke killed and risked AJ's life, he made the situation with Rebecca even worse, he had the entire group down his neck for no reason, and he was basically going through more than anyone else. If I were in that situation, I'd have already killed Bonnie, Jane, Mike and Arvo before we even got inside. I know how it feels to have everyone against you at once, and it fucking sucks. Arvo just added onto that.
Saying Arvo deserved to be beaten to death for it is ludicrous,
No, it was ludicrous. It would have been ludicrous for me to say that before Arvo showed his true colors, shot Clem, and abandoned the group. It's not ludicrous now that we know he's actually a fucking dick.
or are you advocating that they should have just executed him on the spot?
No. Because then they couldn't get what they wanted out of him. You get what you need, and then you kill him. He has nothing he can tell you. The zombie apocalypse isn't about keeping morals intact. The fact is, Arvo is a fucking asshole, and he deserved to die. People praise Rick, Carol and Daryl for brutally murdering assholes in a post apocalyptic universe. And some of those people they kill were just people doing their jobs. Arvo tattled to his group for no fucking reason, (at least in my playthough), and fucked everyone over. Along with doing very questionable acts later on, and not one person decided to kill him. And now people, most likely the very people who praise Daryl, Rick and Carol for murder, are going to get butthurt and offended when I say the asshole who deserved to die deserves to die.
Whatever you feel about Arvo, saying Clementine deserved to get punch in the face
Of course she deserved to get punched, as a matter of fact, every single human being (Except AJ of course) in the group at the time DESERVED to be punched, for losing their shit on Kenny for trying to finish the job and do them a favor. But Clem had to get involved just like the rest of the assholes who had no common sense what-so-ever. You could indeed argue that they got his sister and his whole group killed, but how about Tara? Her group was COMPLETELY in the wrong and mislead by some guy. Not all of them deserved to die though, they were just being mislead. Rick and the others killed ALL of her group, her sister, everyone, even those who had a clear head. What did she do? Did she steal all the food, shoot Carl and leave in the middle of the night, so that way Judith would be defenseless? No. She pledged herself to the group, to stand by them no matter what. Kenny was completely in the right to treat Arvo like shit, and he should have known that, but then there was Mike, Bonnie and Jane who tried defending him. People who wanted to help him, and a defenseless fucking baby sitting in the cold. What did he do? He shot Clem and stole all the food.
Whether you like it or not, Clem, and everyone else deserved a good smack in the fucking mouth for not letting Ken finish it.
How did Arvo screw everyone over? He did exactly what he said he was going to, led them to shelter and food. It wasnt good enough for his hi… moreghness so he had a typical over the top reaction. Saying Arvo deserved to be beaten to death for it is ludicrous, or are you advocating that they should have just executed him on the spot? Whatever you feel about Arvo, saying Clementine deserved to get punch in the face, I cant even fathom this.
There's a lot more to it than that.
How did Arvo screw everyone over?
He ran across the lake, making everyone panic and run to… moreo. And then of course, no one was paying attention to Luke, which got him killed.
It wasnt good enough for his highness so he had a typical over the top reaction.
Look, I hate Kenny as much as the next guy, but he was in the right to have that reaction. Arvo indirectly got Luke killed and risked AJ's life, he made the situation with Rebecca even worse, he had the entire group down his neck for no reason, and he was basically going through more than anyone else. If I were in that situation, I'd have already killed Bonnie, Jane, Mike and Arvo before we even got inside. I know how it feels to have everyone against you at once, and it fucking sucks. Arvo just added onto that.
Saying Arvo deserved to be beaten to death for it is ludicrous,
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They won't if he's dead but if alive they would but if our ending choices do carry over to season 3, i think it will only be for about 10 minutes and then each scenario will lead to the same path whatever the S3's story will be
Yeah, Arvo would have been killed straight after the shootout by most groups. It's amazing that he not only instantly became a member of the group, but was also leading the way. If you're not gonna kill him, then don't bring him with you as part of the group. It was a disaster waiting to happen. Of course he's gonna shoot at the people that killed his sister as soon as he has a gun.
There's a lot more to it than that.
How did Arvo screw everyone over?
He ran across the lake, making everyone panic and run to… moreo. And then of course, no one was paying attention to Luke, which got him killed.
It wasnt good enough for his highness so he had a typical over the top reaction.
Look, I hate Kenny as much as the next guy, but he was in the right to have that reaction. Arvo indirectly got Luke killed and risked AJ's life, he made the situation with Rebecca even worse, he had the entire group down his neck for no reason, and he was basically going through more than anyone else. If I were in that situation, I'd have already killed Bonnie, Jane, Mike and Arvo before we even got inside. I know how it feels to have everyone against you at once, and it fucking sucks. Arvo just added onto that.
Saying Arvo deserved to be beaten to death for it is ludicrous,
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Nope, sorry, I dont agree with your "facts" or this kill 'em all attitude. You put a lot of weight on Arvo's actions but Kenny is completely in the right? Im as big of a Rick fan as there is, and I dont agree with everything he does, or Daryl and Carol. Kenny was completely wrong IMO for what he was doing to Arvo becaue in my view it was for no other reason than having a scapegoat for his rage. His actions were completely selfish and irrational and ireedemable to me.
There's a lot more to it than that.
How did Arvo screw everyone over?
He ran across the lake, making everyone panic and run to… moreo. And then of course, no one was paying attention to Luke, which got him killed.
It wasnt good enough for his highness so he had a typical over the top reaction.
Look, I hate Kenny as much as the next guy, but he was in the right to have that reaction. Arvo indirectly got Luke killed and risked AJ's life, he made the situation with Rebecca even worse, he had the entire group down his neck for no reason, and he was basically going through more than anyone else. If I were in that situation, I'd have already killed Bonnie, Jane, Mike and Arvo before we even got inside. I know how it feels to have everyone against you at once, and it fucking sucks. Arvo just added onto that.
Saying Arvo deserved to be beaten to death for it is ludicrous,
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Clem walked right into Kenny's elbow lol I hardly feel sorry for her. Plus Arvo deserved a beat down for what he did - and I have no idea why Kenny was the only one who was upset at him.
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This won't happen sadly but i'd laugh if they made his determinant status last all through season 3 as well and although dead in your game, you'd have to put up with constantly hearing about him haha. Shame TTG can't effectively make 2 entirely different stories due to how much work it would be
Kenny's a fucking wanker, friend.
And you seem just as invested in making accusations about me as you feel I do about Ken. Either way, Kenny-boy is a character who I very intensely distain so either way, it should make no difference to you whether one person hates a character you happen to love. I've never stated In any post that anyone who likes him is awful, like him if you want.
I just don't.
I'd laugh if he died in the first scene of season three. Probably won't happen, but I'd love to see a handful of people complain about how the "best character" bit the dust before his first three sentences were given.
Just because they conversed off-screen it doesn't mean that we're meant to fill in the blanks with Clementine and Kenny bonding. Sure they've spent three months together, but when Kenny speaks to Clementine on-screen in a minimum of two instances compared to other characters, it's hard to imagine that Clementine and Kenny are supposed to be "close" as the narrative describes, and their relationship in Season 2 ends up looking forced as a result.
Besides, if we're taking time scale of Clementine and another person bonding together off-screen, then Christa and Omid have spent more time off-screen with her for much longer than Kenny ever did. Omid spent eight months with her before dying, and Christa spent two years with her before disappearing. The idea that Clementine has a bond with Kenny, and not with either Christa or Omid, is baffling, especially when Kenny is shown to have only spoken to her at least twice in Season 1.
Yeah, because we all know it's definitely not a grown man's fault for failing to control his anger and end up accidentally hitting a girl he's supposed to be protecting.
yes
Season 3, (with Kenny does not die), he must figure out how much he hurt Clementine, and he loved her more than anything else.
Season 3, (with Kenny does not die), he must figure out how much he hurt Clementine, and he loved her more than anything else.
I think Clementine literally does not say one word to Kenny in season 1, and Kenny speaks to her once saying something like 'get on' at the motor inn. Not to mention the fact that he determinantly refuses to save her from the stranger.
She does have at least one line to Kenny, when she says "Duck's sick..." to him in Episode 3.
Actually thats what i expect to happen. Similar to Omid and Christa's exits.
Well...invested in defending him from you and the haters actually but he's not a wanker in my opinion, friend. At least i would be capable of forgiving someone for bad choices or if they act like an asshole. I'm a forgiving person. Something the haters should consider.
And no man believe it or not i respect the haters opinions for not liking him, it's yours/their choice and maybe i do sound like i don't like people who hate him but thats not actually the case. I will however defend him when people talk shit about him
Also in the meat locker, Kenny can say depending on choices "we need you clementine" when getting her to crawl through the vent
Also in crawford after Kenny and Brie get back she says "Your back!" And kenny says something in response to it
You could also consider the fact she was close to Duck meant she felt that seeing Ken again brought back those memories.
Well its like i said, either way, Kenny was as close to Lee as she could get after Christa and Omid. What i think should have happened in season 2 when she saw Kenny again is depending on how Lee and Kenny's friendship went in season 1, Clem should appear happy or not bothered and have 2 completely different personalities on how she treats him
So... Clenny?
LOL ... i mean to father love
And that's fine and dandy that you're so forgiving of people. But there's a huge difference in forgiving someone for making a mistake, and then forgiving someone's entire character flaw or flaws constantly and without question.
Not really. I have friend who is extremely selfish and only nice when it suits him. He had a tough upbringing. It may not make him Mr nice guy of the year but i understand what he's been through and i see through his flaws and stand by him and try to tell him not to be selfish or horrible at times. That's what friends do and i see nothing wrong in forgiving someone's entire character as you say but ah well that's just you i guess so fair enough
Yeah I agree pretty much. Even if Kenny and Lee weren't close, Clementine should probably still be happy to see him considering they were part of the same crew for a pretty long time and both likely presumed the other dead. Man I don't know why it bothers people so much that Kenny and Clementine didn't talk much in season 1 but did talk a lot in season 2. I don't remember any closeness between Nick and Sarah, but obviously if their whole crew died and it was just them and another crew then they would talk a lot more.
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Agreed
So much hate for Kenny, dayum.
Again, that's great and all that you stick by someone who is selfish. However, I don't. I wouldn't.
A friend isn't truly a friend if they're only thinking of themselves and not concerned with others. I myself can be a bit cold and distant, but I'd never bring harm upon someone I consider a friend because of some contrived self-centered reason.
And that is the definition of Kenny, a fair-weather friend. Someone who will speak with passion about people he thinks are close to him but actions speak far louder than words and time in and time out Kenny has proven without reasonable doubt that he is not truly trust worthy. But if people are willing to stick by people like him, they'll always have their audience to play and manipulate.
Omid got the same fate so no one should really complain if Kenny dies. I just want to see characters that don't die for once. lol
True but when you've known the friend all your life and connected with your family due to parents being friends too? its kind of hard to not stay friends to be fair.
So is that what you think they do? Play and manipulate us fans and you think we are idiots playing into their hands just because we have different opinions? Yeah? Ok fair enough if you think Kenny fans are dickheads. You probably don't like me for it but as i have said time and time again, fans that like Kenny such as myself feel an attachment to him because of the season 1 history, especially those that agreed with some or most of his choices, good or bad. As you know, i "mostly" agreed with his choices. I felt the same attachment to Omid and Christa, and they weren't even around as long as Kenny was.
I liked Katjaa and Duck, in my game i looked out for his family, yes there were many times he was selfish and only thought of them and himself instead of Lee and the others but again i looked past that because it was his family after all. I felt bad when he lost his family, it was understandable how he was feeling and took it out on Lee but I didn't hate him for that. I've known lots of people with short tempers who don't mean to be horrible to people they care about and that is exactly how it is with Kenny. I still felt he redeemed himself at the end of season 1 whether it was the Ben or Christa scenario.
Jane never ever would have done that for anyone. She'd have pulled a Molly and just selfishly left most likely. Despite Kenny's flaws, i always felt he was a damn more caring person that Jane ever was as proven at the end of season 1 and the Wellington ending of season 2. In fact he gave more of a damn about Clem than anyone in season 2 in my opinion. Did Jane protect Clem from Carver over the radio thing? Nope. She insisted on leaving Sarah behind in the trailer park just because "she couldn't be helped" when actually she could have "done the right thing". Even if she was saved the first time, she reluctantly tried to help her but still didn't want to. Then faking a baby's death to make a point to Clem actually putting her in danger and upsetting a man who was already unstable and being pushed over the edge (he could have had brain damage after his eye bashing, ever thought thats why Kenny changed dramatically in Ep4 and 5??). Her actions were selfish and stupid and what's to say she wouldn't pull the same crap again in another situation with Clem that could put her in more danger?
You've heard all this before and sorry for the long post but i felt like putting it all here again. I guess i'm going to get a backlash but oh well.
Anyway man I don't wanna argue with you anymore. I think as you agree it's been done to death. We'll leave our opinions at that and i wom't harrass you again
Cuteclem threads are driving me nuts
Don't you mean "I guess he has that in his flavour."
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There's a "back" button on the browser you use. I recommend it.
If he's dead, who would be talking about him all through the season?
Damn, Im a sucker for bad puns lol
To be fair, Clementine kind of deserved it in this situation. I am in NO WAY advocating child abuse. I have lived through an abusive father, I grew up with it, and I don't think kids deserve any abusive treatment. But Arvo screwed everyone over in that scene, especially Luke (and Bonnie if you gave up on Luke like I did.). Arvo deserved every punch he got, and Clem was getting in the way. I love Clem, I mean, not as much as I loved Jane, Sarah and Luke of course, but it was fucking ridiculous of her not to let Kenny end it all right there. The group had what they needed, they didn't have to "Risk becoming murderers" because they already killed a lot of Carver's group, a bunch of bandits in Season 1, and all of Arvo's friends, and Arvo was useless to them at that point. Clem deserved that hit to the face purely because she was trying to stop something that seriously needed to be done.
you don't understand I actually cried tears of pain while typing that
How did Arvo screw everyone over? He did exactly what he said he was going to, led them to shelter and food. It wasnt good enough for his highness so he had a typical over the top reaction. Saying Arvo deserved to be beaten to death for it is ludicrous, or are you advocating that they should have just executed him on the spot? Whatever you feel about Arvo, saying Clementine deserved to get punch in the face, I cant even fathom this.
There's a lot more to it than that.
He ran across the lake, making everyone panic and run too. And then of course, no one was paying attention to Luke, which got him killed.
Look, I hate Kenny as much as the next guy, but he was in the right to have that reaction. Arvo indirectly got Luke killed and risked AJ's life, he made the situation with Rebecca even worse, he had the entire group down his neck for no reason, and he was basically going through more than anyone else. If I were in that situation, I'd have already killed Bonnie, Jane, Mike and Arvo before we even got inside. I know how it feels to have everyone against you at once, and it fucking sucks. Arvo just added onto that.
No, it was ludicrous. It would have been ludicrous for me to say that before Arvo showed his true colors, shot Clem, and abandoned the group. It's not ludicrous now that we know he's actually a fucking dick.
No. Because then they couldn't get what they wanted out of him. You get what you need, and then you kill him. He has nothing he can tell you. The zombie apocalypse isn't about keeping morals intact. The fact is, Arvo is a fucking asshole, and he deserved to die. People praise Rick, Carol and Daryl for brutally murdering assholes in a post apocalyptic universe. And some of those people they kill were just people doing their jobs. Arvo tattled to his group for no fucking reason, (at least in my playthough), and fucked everyone over. Along with doing very questionable acts later on, and not one person decided to kill him. And now people, most likely the very people who praise Daryl, Rick and Carol for murder, are going to get butthurt and offended when I say the asshole who deserved to die deserves to die.
Of course she deserved to get punched, as a matter of fact, every single human being (Except AJ of course) in the group at the time DESERVED to be punched, for losing their shit on Kenny for trying to finish the job and do them a favor. But Clem had to get involved just like the rest of the assholes who had no common sense what-so-ever. You could indeed argue that they got his sister and his whole group killed, but how about Tara? Her group was COMPLETELY in the wrong and mislead by some guy. Not all of them deserved to die though, they were just being mislead. Rick and the others killed ALL of her group, her sister, everyone, even those who had a clear head. What did she do? Did she steal all the food, shoot Carl and leave in the middle of the night, so that way Judith would be defenseless? No. She pledged herself to the group, to stand by them no matter what. Kenny was completely in the right to treat Arvo like shit, and he should have known that, but then there was Mike, Bonnie and Jane who tried defending him. People who wanted to help him, and a defenseless fucking baby sitting in the cold. What did he do? He shot Clem and stole all the food.
Whether you like it or not, Clem, and everyone else deserved a good smack in the fucking mouth for not letting Ken finish it.
Ah ok, that clearly shows they have a deep and intimate relationship, forget what I said :P
god ... poor Clem
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They won't if he's dead but if alive they would but if our ending choices do carry over to season 3, i think it will only be for about 10 minutes and then each scenario will lead to the same path whatever the S3's story will be
Yeah, Arvo would have been killed straight after the shootout by most groups. It's amazing that he not only instantly became a member of the group, but was also leading the way. If you're not gonna kill him, then don't bring him with you as part of the group. It was a disaster waiting to happen. Of course he's gonna shoot at the people that killed his sister as soon as he has a gun.
Nope, sorry, I dont agree with your "facts" or this kill 'em all attitude. You put a lot of weight on Arvo's actions but Kenny is completely in the right? Im as big of a Rick fan as there is, and I dont agree with everything he does, or Daryl and Carol. Kenny was completely wrong IMO for what he was doing to Arvo becaue in my view it was for no other reason than having a scapegoat for his rage. His actions were completely selfish and irrational and ireedemable to me.
Clem walked right into Kenny's elbow lol I hardly feel sorry for her. Plus Arvo deserved a beat down for what he did - and I have no idea why Kenny was the only one who was upset at him.