Well the proof we have he was alive is that he takes a breath if you successfully press on his chest 4 times, which doesn't happen any other way, nor did he show any signs of turning either, so I think it's more likely he was still alive, which would make Kenny a murderer.
To be fair, Michelle stole Clementine's gun and threatened to kill her multiple times, she also shot Omid, Christa husband who she loved at the time, plus she was pregnant and left to take care of Clementine and her new baby alone. I'm not saying it was right for Christa to kill Michelle but she wasn't innocent. Also as for Clementine, she only determinantly kills The Stranger in order to save Lee, as for Doug and Carley, they were protecting The Motel from a Bandit Raid, they had Children in their group you know, you can't say those people, that was entirely self defense, Jane killed Vitali to save Kenny and prevent the rest of the group from being in danger.
Christa s a murdered, lee s a murderer , lily s a murderer , doug/carly is a murderer
christa shot that girl who was tryng to steal stuff … morefrom them
lily murdered carly
lee killed a senator
clementine killed the mistery man
doug killed a bandit (if you saved him )
carley kills 2 bandits
alvin killed george (who was never really mentioned after carver and bonnie said his name)
jane killed a bandit
need any more?
Arvo was the cause of Luke's death and he shot Clem. Yeah... he deserves that ass wooping. It's The Walking Dead ffs... You guys get upset when you see Kenny beat up Arvo for getting Luke killed and Kenny killing Jane because she made it seem like she killed a baby? You all sound like early Alexandrians. If Rick Grimes were in Kenny's shoes, he would've done the EXACT same thing if not worse and everybody loves him and calls him a badass for it. But when Kenny does it, he's wrong for it... You people judge Kenny's actions like a pre-apocalypse child.. These people are a few YEARS in the apocalypse, judge Kenny in that sense.
I agree, especially since Kenny's abuse may have been the reason Arvo was driven to harm Clementine, and he didn't seem like the type who wanted to kill people.
If i remember correctly, one of the devs says on this forum, that this scene was left ambiguous on purpose. It depends on how player see situation, for someone Larry reanimates, for someone lives. There is no right answer for that.
Well the proof we have he was alive is that he takes a breath if you successfully press on his chest 4 times, which doesn't happen any other… more way, nor did he show any signs of turning either, so I think it's more likely he was still alive, which would make Kenny a murderer.
Arvo was the cause of Luke's death and he shot Clem. Yeah... he deserves that ass wooping. It's The Walking Dead ffs... You guys get upset w… morehen you see Kenny beat up Arvo for getting Luke killed and Kenny killing Jane because she made it seem like she killed a baby? You all sound like early Alexandrians. If Rick Grimes were in Kenny's shoes, he would've done the EXACT same thing if not worse and everybody loves him and calls him a badass for it. But when Kenny does it, he's wrong for it... You people judge Kenny's actions like a pre-apocalypse child.. These people are a few YEARS in the apocalypse, judge Kenny in that sense.
It really bothers me that people judge Arvo's actions but dont consider the cause behind it: i.e., "Arvo is a monster for shooting Clem but Kenny beating him unconscious is a hero." I dont understand this thinking. I guess I never will.
I agree, especially since Kenny's abuse may have been the reason Arvo was driven to harm Clementine, and he didn't seem like the type who wanted to kill people.
He also caused a bunch of Russian psychopaths to attack a group of freezing people, with a baby and a child...but sorry, he's Arvo, he had it rough. Let's just leave him be shall we?
Oh, then he goes and shoots Clementine because he's a trigger happy, immature moron. Kenny should have at least left him behind when they had the chance.
It really bothers me that people judge Arvo's actions but dont consider the cause behind it: i.e., "Arvo is a monster for shooting Clem but Kenny beating him unconscious is a hero." I dont understand this thinking. I guess I never will.
Nothing is right, it's their opinion, especially yours. If they make us have the same opinion as theirs, then they'll never win. No one makes me think the same as them, not even you.
Actually, whether intentional or not, there is a right answer.
He only takes that breath if you press on his chest 4 times. The same time elapses regardless of whether you press on his chest. Pressing on someone's chest doesn't speed up reanimation, so if he only does it if you push on his chest in the same timeframe, it was a breath.
If i remember correctly, one of the devs says on this forum, that this scene was left ambiguous on purpose. It depends on how player see situation, for someone Larry reanimates, for someone lives. There is no right answer for that.
The actual annotation on the sound file itself lists it as a grunt of impact due to the CPR rather than as an actual breath, and that it was meant to be ambiguous. This annotation is what was on the actual script during the recording sessions, meaning that this line was recorded -- and was the take ultimately chosen to be used in game -- with the intent of it being deliberately ambiguous
Doing more digging into the dialogue, animation and chore files don't bring up anything suggesting that it was a breath, either. However, files that are related to/make mention of the scene seem to further suggest the intended ambiguity
Also on that note, it appears that Larry doesn't even have an actual animation for that 'breath'; it is just his mouth moving
Actually, whether intentional or not, there is a right answer.
He only takes that breath if you press on his chest 4 times. The same time… more elapses regardless of whether you press on his chest. Pressing on someone's chest doesn't speed up reanimation, so if he only does it if you push on his chest in the same timeframe, it was a breath.
The actual annotation on the sound file itself lists it as a grunt of impact due to the CPR rather than as an actual breath, and that it was… more meant to be ambiguous. This annotation is what was on the actual script during the recording sessions, meaning that this line was recorded -- and was the take ultimately chosen to be used in game -- with the intent of it being deliberately ambiguous
Doing more digging into the dialogue, animation and chore files don't bring up anything suggesting that it was a breath, either. However, files that are related to/make mention of the scene seem to further suggest the intended ambiguity
Also on that note, it appears that Larry doesn't even have an actual animation for that 'breath'; it is just his mouth moving
If Rick Grimes was in the group, Kenny would be long dead. His unstable state of mind, violent attitude and irrationality would've triggered Ricktator so many times.
He also caused a bunch of Russian psychopaths to attack a group of freezing people, with a baby and a child
Baby and child dont give any extra points of sympathy in situation like that.
Lets be honest, almost every survivor was a psychopath by todays standards at that point already. Besides, what they were doing was really no different from what Kenny/(Lee) did at end of episode 2.
He also caused a bunch of Russian psychopaths to attack a group of freezing people, with a baby and a child...but sorry, he's Arvo, he had i… moret rough. Let's just leave him be shall we?
Oh, then he goes and shoots Clementine because he's a trigger happy, immature moron. Kenny should have at least left him behind when they had the chance.
Please dont act like you know what Im thinking because you are not even close. Ive been a fan of the show since day one and have also read most of the comics, as well as played both seasons of the game. I believe I know very well how that universe works and I still dont agree with you. However, Im not going to take your route and try to be insulting. I suppose the chick flick crack is because Im female?
Just because you seem to see this world in black and white terms doesnt mean that people who dont are in denial or somehow cant handle the reality of it. The Rick Grimes I know has always been a fair person who cared about others. He is hard when he needs to be. He doesnt physically and verbally abuse children for the joy of it. If thats how you see him, then we are watching different shows.
Its been awhile since I played the game but I didnt get the impression that he led the charge on this. He was a kid with a group of violent, aggressive adults. Obviously he couldnt stop them from doing anything, we saw that much. How still does that justify Kenny beating him every chance he got? It sounds to me like plain old revenge since they couldnt get their hands on anyone else. They should have let him go. What was the point of keeping him prisoner?
Hmm, a teenage boy is immature? No kidding. At least, he has his youth as an excuse, unlike some. And it was more than him being trigger happy. As we all talked about many times, he believed she murdered his sister. Im not saying what he did was right, but I think demonizing him is also wrong.
He also caused a bunch of Russian psychopaths to attack a group of freezing people, with a baby and a child...but sorry, he's Arvo, he had i… moret rough. Let's just leave him be shall we?
Oh, then he goes and shoots Clementine because he's a trigger happy, immature moron. Kenny should have at least left him behind when they had the chance.
It uuhhhhhh is sorta iffy to say. I mean it wasn't in self-defense and kenny was the attacker so technically it was murder.
But uhhhh, we… morell, Jane provoked him Intentionally to get him to attack her. Not to get herself killed mind you, but more to make a villain out of Kenny in front of clementine.
It's like......say for example if there was a dog and you kicked it or spat on it or something. If the dog then proceeds to bite your throat off, technically that is murder, but honestly you were asking for it. If you were Lee and someone killed Clementine. The grand majority of you would revenge murder the living hell out of them.
It bothers me too that we're supposed to cheer for Kenny for beating a defenseless and physically disabled kid because the whole event is railroaded into proving him right in the most ridiculous of ways.
For all the events to happen, we're supposed to 'correctly' assume that Arvo is the mastermind of the ambush because he just so happens to be the first member of the bandits we've just met, and just so happened to meet again before the ambush takes place, and just so happened to be the lone survivor of his group, so obviously he's the culprit! Screw backstories and three-dimensional antagonists in the Walking Dead known for three-dimensional characters! Arvo is the culprit because the narrative says so!
Also, the narrative railroads the event so that Clementine never puts two-and-two together that Arvo is angry because he only saw his sister crawl away from the attack, only to be shot dead by Clementine, and had no reason to believe that she reanimated and was about to eat Clementine. Therefore we never get to tell Arvo the truth of what happened and potentially subside his anger towards Clementine for a crime she didn't commit, and thus ending up fueling his desire for vengeance even more mainly caused by his needlessly cruel treatment from Kenny.
And then there's the lake scene when Arvo says it's okay to cross the frozen lake, which gets Luke killed. So obviously, Arvo tried to get everyone killed by telling them that's its okay to cross the obviously dangerous frozen lake! Except, he didn't force everyone to cross the largest portion of the lake, and there was no reason to not go around and cross the thinner portions of the lake. There were a handful of walkers the group were well able to deal with, and the woods surrounding the lake were nowhere near thick enough to cross through, so there's no excuse for "we need to cross the largest part of the lake so Luke can die and blame Arvo for it".
And finally, Mike and Bonnie inexplicably and in an out-of-character fashion betrays the group and sides with Arvo, who ends up shooting down Clementine who catches them trying to leave the group. This happens not long after Mike and Bonnie disagrees with Kenny's plan, and became increasingly uncomfortable hanging around with a violent and emotionally unstable man who plans to go on a suicide mission to a safe-haven he had no proof that existed, disregards the voting system to have his way, and tries to force everyone to go whether they wanted to or not. So what does Mike and Bonnie do, who have proved to be rational and well-intentioned people from Episode 3 and Episode 4? Why, they try to steal the truck and all of our supplies instead of convincing Kenny that his plan is flawed and reckless, because the narrative needed a shocking betrayal event.
And Arvo, who was just about to escape from Kenny with Mike and Bonnie's help, risks getting caught again just so he can shoot Clementine, who was easily disarmed by Mike in the end and was no longer a threat. Why? To prove Kenny that he was in the right of holding him hostage, beating him up while he's defenseless, throw slurs at him, force him at gunpoint to walk to their destination, and pin the blame all on him without listening to his side of the story regarding of the ambush.
Will all of this in mind, I can't be convinced that Arvo is a legitimate 'villain' of Episode 5, because the narrative goes out of its way to demonize everyone involved and twist logic and reasoning just to justify Kenny's actions. It's gotten to the point where I honestly believe that the writers sacrificed writing quality due to their bias of Kenny and presenting him as the 'hero' of the story when he's anything but.
It really bothers me that people judge Arvo's actions but dont consider the cause behind it: i.e., "Arvo is a monster for shooting Clem but Kenny beating him unconscious is a hero." I dont understand this thinking. I guess I never will.
I agree. Him surviving ruined Season 2 and I like Kenny to a certain extent. Maybe Lilly should have survived since she actually looked after Clementine in Season 1 and not Kenny. That way Lilly vs Jane would actually be more plausible and more interesting.
Both sides are like that. In the end, we have choices and we choose to like or not like a character and I fully respect your reasons on disliking Kenny abhorrently. The moment Sarita died, he knew how Lilly felt. Life came back to bite him in the ass and he had no right to lash out at Clementine regardless of what she did.
It's odd, I can't remember you complaining when everyone was posting incessantly all the time about how amazing he was, or when Kenny fans s… moreaid that Jane fans should be hung. Or do you only think monotony and extremity is bad when it's regarding an opinion you disagree with?
I agree. Him surviving ruined Season 2 and I like Kenny to a certain extent. Maybe Lilly should have survived since she actually looked afte… morer Clementine in Season 1 and not Kenny. That way Lilly vs Jane would actually be more plausible and more interesting.
she actually looked after Clementine in Season 1 and not Kenny
No one looked after her except Lee. Lilly just gave her her hair clip… mores
That way Lilly vs Jane would actually be more plausible and more interesting.
I agree. They both look very similar and I think Lilly is better.
And yet Arvo and the other Russian pricks held them all at gunpoint and tried to rob them. So yep i support Kenny. I would do the same to a prick who is responsible for that! And just because he didn't have a gun or whatever doesn't mean shit. My opinion
I agree, especially since Kenny's abuse may have been the reason Arvo was driven to harm Clementine, and he didn't seem like the type who wanted to kill people.
Please dont act like you know what Im thinking because you are not even close. Ive been a fan of the show since day one and have also read m… moreost of the comics, as well as played both seasons of the game. I believe I know very well how that universe works and I still dont agree with you. However, Im not going to take your route and try to be insulting. I suppose the chick flick crack is because Im female?
Just because you seem to see this world in black and white terms doesnt mean that people who dont are in denial or somehow cant handle the reality of it. The Rick Grimes I know has always been a fair person who cared about others. He is hard when he needs to be. He doesnt physically and verbally abuse children for the joy of it. If thats how you see him, then we are watching different shows.
If Arvo and his friends hadn't threatened the group, Kenny wouldn't have treated him like that and anyone that thinks he would really is a biased hater of Kenny
It really bothers me that people judge Arvo's actions but dont consider the cause behind it: i.e., "Arvo is a monster for shooting Clem but Kenny beating him unconscious is a hero." I dont understand this thinking. I guess I never will.
Exactly and yet people still want to hate on Kenny just because "sometimes" he is horrible to people when he gets angry, yet they don't see the other side to him. My opinion
He also caused a bunch of Russian psychopaths to attack a group of freezing people, with a baby and a child
Baby and child dont give… more any extra points of sympathy in situation like that.
Lets be honest, almost every survivor was a psychopath by todays standards at that point already. Besides, what they were doing was really no different from what Kenny/(Lee) did at end of episode 2.
Its been awhile since I played the game but I didnt get the impression that he led the charge on this. He was a kid with a group of violent,… more aggressive adults. Obviously he couldnt stop them from doing anything, we saw that much. How still does that justify Kenny beating him every chance he got? It sounds to me like plain old revenge since they couldnt get their hands on anyone else. They should have let him go. What was the point of keeping him prisoner?
Hmm, a teenage boy is immature? No kidding. At least, he has his youth as an excuse, unlike some. And it was more than him being trigger happy. As we all talked about many times, he believed she murdered his sister. Im not saying what he did was right, but I think demonizing him is also wrong.
They never ever confirmed Larry was alive. How do we know his mouth twitching giving CPR to him meant he was still alive? What if he was reanimating? He could have been alive or just about to turn.
He's definitely a killer, but whether he's a murderer is difficult to say.
I think his closest killing attempt to murder was when he trie… mored to abandon lilly at the Motor Inn after she just saved their lives, but other than that, I don't really think that killing Larry was murder even though Larry was still alive, since he was expressly doing it to try to help others rather than from pure selfishness. Though in this sense I suppose the manner in which he killed Carved was, likely, murderous.
How anyone can defend Arvo is beyond me. Like i said, him and his friends threatening the group at gun point (even him not having a gun) it doesn't matter, i would never defend anyone for that
Well the proof we have he was alive is that he takes a breath if you successfully press on his chest 4 times, which doesn't happen any other… more way, nor did he show any signs of turning either, so I think it's more likely he was still alive, which would make Kenny a murderer.
That is my interpretation based on the fact that he was using every opportunity to do it. You dont have to laugh and smile. You can take a cold joy out of something.
When did it ever imply Kenny enjoyed beating him up? Don't recall him laughing or smiling over it.
Anyway Kenny and Rick are very different yes. Rick can be very wreckless but he's a good leader
Yes, this is what I meant since Lilly had shown better interaction and provided Clementine protection in Season 1 than selfish Kenny. If it weren't for Kenny and Lee reconciling in Episode 5 (depending on choice), I would have hated Kenny like everyone else.
How anyone can defend Kenny's actions is beyond me so, there you are, lol. But Ive already said a million times why I am defending Arvo in this case, so you already know my points.
How anyone can defend Arvo is beyond me. Like i said, him and his friends threatening the group at gun point (even him not having a gun) it doesn't matter, i would never defend anyone for that
Please dont act like you know what Im thinking because you are not even close. Ive been a fan of the show since day one and have also read m… moreost of the comics, as well as played both seasons of the game. I believe I know very well how that universe works and I still dont agree with you. However, Im not going to take your route and try to be insulting. I suppose the chick flick crack is because Im female?
Just because you seem to see this world in black and white terms doesnt mean that people who dont are in denial or somehow cant handle the reality of it. The Rick Grimes I know has always been a fair person who cared about others. He is hard when he needs to be. He doesnt physically and verbally abuse children for the joy of it. If thats how you see him, then we are watching different shows.
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Well the proof we have he was alive is that he takes a breath if you successfully press on his chest 4 times, which doesn't happen any other way, nor did he show any signs of turning either, so I think it's more likely he was still alive, which would make Kenny a murderer.
To be fair, Michelle stole Clementine's gun and threatened to kill her multiple times, she also shot Omid, Christa husband who she loved at the time, plus she was pregnant and left to take care of Clementine and her new baby alone. I'm not saying it was right for Christa to kill Michelle but she wasn't innocent. Also as for Clementine, she only determinantly kills The Stranger in order to save Lee, as for Doug and Carley, they were protecting The Motel from a Bandit Raid, they had Children in their group you know, you can't say those people, that was entirely self defense, Jane killed Vitali to save Kenny and prevent the rest of the group from being in danger.
Arvo was the cause of Luke's death and he shot Clem. Yeah... he deserves that ass wooping. It's The Walking Dead ffs... You guys get upset when you see Kenny beat up Arvo for getting Luke killed and Kenny killing Jane because she made it seem like she killed a baby? You all sound like early Alexandrians. If Rick Grimes were in Kenny's shoes, he would've done the EXACT same thing if not worse and everybody loves him and calls him a badass for it. But when Kenny does it, he's wrong for it... You people judge Kenny's actions like a pre-apocalypse child.. These people are a few YEARS in the apocalypse, judge Kenny in that sense.
If i remember correctly, one of the devs says on this forum, that this scene was left ambiguous on purpose. It depends on how player see situation, for someone Larry reanimates, for someone lives. There is no right answer for that.
Please, dont start that, everyone would do what Kenny did, including Rick Grimes argument. There are so many ways I disagree with that.
It really bothers me that people judge Arvo's actions but dont consider the cause behind it: i.e., "Arvo is a monster for shooting Clem but Kenny beating him unconscious is a hero." I dont understand this thinking. I guess I never will.
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He also caused a bunch of Russian psychopaths to attack a group of freezing people, with a baby and a child...but sorry, he's Arvo, he had it rough. Let's just leave him be shall we?
Oh, then he goes and shoots Clementine because he's a trigger happy, immature moron. Kenny should have at least left him behind when they had the chance.
Morality is just an opinion so nothing is really right or wrong. But inside our little morality system, Kenny is bad.
Actually, whether intentional or not, there is a right answer.
He only takes that breath if you press on his chest 4 times. The same time elapses regardless of whether you press on his chest. Pressing on someone's chest doesn't speed up reanimation, so if he only does it if you push on his chest in the same timeframe, it was a breath.
The actual annotation on the sound file itself lists it as a grunt of impact due to the CPR rather than as an actual breath, and that it was meant to be ambiguous. This annotation is what was on the actual script during the recording sessions, meaning that this line was recorded -- and was the take ultimately chosen to be used in game -- with the intent of it being deliberately ambiguous
Doing more digging into the dialogue, animation and chore files don't bring up anything suggesting that it was a breath, either. However, files that are related to/make mention of the scene seem to further suggest the intended ambiguity
Also on that note, it appears that Larry doesn't even have an actual animation for that 'breath'; it is just his mouth moving
also, on an unrelated note:
...yeah, i think that speaks for itself
If Rick Grimes was in the group, Kenny would be long dead. His unstable state of mind, violent attitude and irrationality would've triggered Ricktator so many times.
Baby and child dont give any extra points of sympathy in situation like that.
Lets be honest, almost every survivor was a psychopath by todays standards at that point already. Besides, what they were doing was really no different from what Kenny/(Lee) did at end of episode 2.
Please dont act like you know what Im thinking because you are not even close. Ive been a fan of the show since day one and have also read most of the comics, as well as played both seasons of the game. I believe I know very well how that universe works and I still dont agree with you. However, Im not going to take your route and try to be insulting. I suppose the chick flick crack is because Im female?
Just because you seem to see this world in black and white terms doesnt mean that people who dont are in denial or somehow cant handle the reality of it. The Rick Grimes I know has always been a fair person who cared about others. He is hard when he needs to be. He doesnt physically and verbally abuse children for the joy of it. If thats how you see him, then we are watching different shows.
Its been awhile since I played the game but I didnt get the impression that he led the charge on this. He was a kid with a group of violent, aggressive adults. Obviously he couldnt stop them from doing anything, we saw that much. How still does that justify Kenny beating him every chance he got? It sounds to me like plain old revenge since they couldnt get their hands on anyone else. They should have let him go. What was the point of keeping him prisoner?
Hmm, a teenage boy is immature? No kidding. At least, he has his youth as an excuse, unlike some. And it was more than him being trigger happy. As we all talked about many times, he believed she murdered his sister. Im not saying what he did was right, but I think demonizing him is also wrong.
Im not sure I agree with your comparisons but I see where you are going with it.
It bothers me too that we're supposed to cheer for Kenny for beating a defenseless and physically disabled kid because the whole event is railroaded into proving him right in the most ridiculous of ways.
For all the events to happen, we're supposed to 'correctly' assume that Arvo is the mastermind of the ambush because he just so happens to be the first member of the bandits we've just met, and just so happened to meet again before the ambush takes place, and just so happened to be the lone survivor of his group, so obviously he's the culprit! Screw backstories and three-dimensional antagonists in the Walking Dead known for three-dimensional characters! Arvo is the culprit because the narrative says so!
Also, the narrative railroads the event so that Clementine never puts two-and-two together that Arvo is angry because he only saw his sister crawl away from the attack, only to be shot dead by Clementine, and had no reason to believe that she reanimated and was about to eat Clementine. Therefore we never get to tell Arvo the truth of what happened and potentially subside his anger towards Clementine for a crime she didn't commit, and thus ending up fueling his desire for vengeance even more mainly caused by his needlessly cruel treatment from Kenny.
And then there's the lake scene when Arvo says it's okay to cross the frozen lake, which gets Luke killed. So obviously, Arvo tried to get everyone killed by telling them that's its okay to cross the obviously dangerous frozen lake! Except, he didn't force everyone to cross the largest portion of the lake, and there was no reason to not go around and cross the thinner portions of the lake. There were a handful of walkers the group were well able to deal with, and the woods surrounding the lake were nowhere near thick enough to cross through, so there's no excuse for "we need to cross the largest part of the lake so Luke can die and blame Arvo for it".
And finally, Mike and Bonnie inexplicably and in an out-of-character fashion betrays the group and sides with Arvo, who ends up shooting down Clementine who catches them trying to leave the group. This happens not long after Mike and Bonnie disagrees with Kenny's plan, and became increasingly uncomfortable hanging around with a violent and emotionally unstable man who plans to go on a suicide mission to a safe-haven he had no proof that existed, disregards the voting system to have his way, and tries to force everyone to go whether they wanted to or not. So what does Mike and Bonnie do, who have proved to be rational and well-intentioned people from Episode 3 and Episode 4? Why, they try to steal the truck and all of our supplies instead of convincing Kenny that his plan is flawed and reckless, because the narrative needed a shocking betrayal event.
And Arvo, who was just about to escape from Kenny with Mike and Bonnie's help, risks getting caught again just so he can shoot Clementine, who was easily disarmed by Mike in the end and was no longer a threat. Why? To prove Kenny that he was in the right of holding him hostage, beating him up while he's defenseless, throw slurs at him, force him at gunpoint to walk to their destination, and pin the blame all on him without listening to his side of the story regarding of the ambush.
Will all of this in mind, I can't be convinced that Arvo is a legitimate 'villain' of Episode 5, because the narrative goes out of its way to demonize everyone involved and twist logic and reasoning just to justify Kenny's actions. It's gotten to the point where I honestly believe that the writers sacrificed writing quality due to their bias of Kenny and presenting him as the 'hero' of the story when he's anything but.
I agree. Him surviving ruined Season 2 and I like Kenny to a certain extent. Maybe Lilly should have survived since she actually looked after Clementine in Season 1 and not Kenny. That way Lilly vs Jane would actually be more plausible and more interesting.
Both sides are like that. In the end, we have choices and we choose to like or not like a character and I fully respect your reasons on disliking Kenny abhorrently. The moment Sarita died, he knew how Lilly felt. Life came back to bite him in the ass and he had no right to lash out at Clementine regardless of what she did.
What about Christa when Omid got killed?
No one looked after her except Lee. Lilly just gave her her hair clips
I agree. They both look very similar and I think Lilly is better.
Lilly did protect her at the Farm for a short while. Maybe thats what he meant?
Lol, I forget a few moments from TWD because I'm attracted by Telltale's other games especially Minecraft Story Mode
And yet Arvo and the other Russian pricks held them all at gunpoint and tried to rob them. So yep i support Kenny. I would do the same to a prick who is responsible for that! And just because he didn't have a gun or whatever doesn't mean shit. My opinion
He still didn't need to shoot Clem. Naturally Kenny haters have to find something to blame him for. My opinion
When did it ever imply Kenny enjoyed beating him up? Don't recall him laughing or smiling over it.
Anyway Kenny and Rick are very different yes. Rick can be very wreckless but he's a good leader
If Arvo and his friends hadn't threatened the group, Kenny wouldn't have treated him like that and anyone that thinks he would really is a biased hater of Kenny
Exactly and yet people still want to hate on Kenny just because "sometimes" he is horrible to people when he gets angry, yet they don't see the other side to him. My opinion
There is no right or wrong in an apocalypse
They never ever confirmed Larry was alive. How do we know his mouth twitching giving CPR to him meant he was still alive? What if he was reanimating? He could have been alive or just about to turn.
How anyone can defend Arvo is beyond me. Like i said, him and his friends threatening the group at gun point (even him not having a gun) it doesn't matter, i would never defend anyone for that
Larry's mouth twitches, not take a breath. He could have been alive or about to turn
That is my interpretation based on the fact that he was using every opportunity to do it. You dont have to laugh and smile. You can take a cold joy out of something.
I dont agree. I think thats too easy a way to justify people's worst behavior. A line has to be drawn somewhere or people just turn into animals.
Yes, this is what I meant since Lilly had shown better interaction and provided Clementine protection in Season 1 than selfish Kenny. If it weren't for Kenny and Lee reconciling in Episode 5 (depending on choice), I would have hated Kenny like everyone else.
How anyone can defend Kenny's actions is beyond me so, there you are, lol. But Ive already said a million times why I am defending Arvo in this case, so you already know my points.
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Was the insults even necessary? Sounds like you're losing an argument when you feel the need to insult KChoere's intelligence.
Some people cant present an argument any other way.
Its okay, Ive had worse, lol.